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Swiss Launch of Apple Watch Hit By Patent Issue

wabrandsma points out this Reuters story, according to which: Apple is not able to launch its new smartwatch in Switzerland until at least the end of this year because of an intellectual property rights issue, Swiss broadcaster RTS reported on its website. The U.S. tech giant cannot use the image of an apple nor the word 'apple' to launch its watch within Switzerland, the home of luxury watches, because of a patent from 1985, RTS reported, citing a document from the Swiss Federal Institute of Intellectual Property.

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  1. Patent? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article doesn't give any details about what the word apple or an apple logo has to do with a patent. A trademark I could understand, but a patent?

    1. Re:Patent? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      I think somebody needs to translate this from Swiss. Seems like what would be termed a 'design patent' in the US (think rounded corners). But it sure sounds like a trademark issue.

      Why can't everybody speak American?

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    2. Re: Patent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The language is called English, we invented it, you ruined it.

    3. Re:Patent? by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FYI: Swiss isn't a language. They speak several of them, but Swiss ain't one.

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    4. Re:Patent? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      They must have different rules there.

      In Switzerland, patents expire in 20 years. Trademarks don't expire, but must be periodically renewed. So why is a patent from 1985 still valid? How can a patent cover logos and brands, which are covered by trademarks? TFA doesn't have much information, and what it does have doesn't make sense. The most plausible explanation is that the journalist is simply incompetent.

      This article states that it is a trademark, not a patent, and that the trademark has a 30 year duration, and it is expiring soon. It doesn't explain why the trademark is expiring.

    5. Re:Patent? by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 2

      Have you ever heard some of the more obscure Swiss German dialects?
      "Rätoromanisch" is only spoken in Switzerland, but only in one rural corner of the country so it hardly counts.

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    6. Re: Patent? by cestmoa · · Score: 2

      To be exact, rÃteromanisch is not a Swiss German dialect, but a proper language for itself

    7. Re:Patent? by mrvan · · Score: 2

      Except for the fact that (Rheato-)Romansh is a romance (latin-derived) dialect, not a german...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

      That is not to say that their own little German dialect(s?) is not completely unintelligible...

    8. Re:Patent? by phayes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Non-use of the _trademark_ for a commercial product puts the trademark,up for grabs after 30 years. This is what is happening here.

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    9. Re: Patent? by BlackPignouf · · Score: 3, Funny

      The language is called French. We invented it, you ruined it.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
      PS: This could be a long thread.

    10. Re:Patent? by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Trademarks usually apply to a given spectrum of products. I would guess what happened to Apple Inc here is the same thing that happened against Apple Records. Originally there was no clash because the segments were different (computers vs music) but now that there is an overlap there's an issue.

      I would guess the guy has a trademark for using apple logos on watches or something like that.

    11. Re:Patent? by sribe · · Score: 2

      So the guy could renew the trademark and force Apple to pay him money to take over the trademark?

      No, trademarks have to actually be used to be valid.

      Or just release a product that uses the trademark (even if they only make and try to sell a few copies of said product.)

      Yes, likely, although it would depend on the history of the trademark, whether it was every actually used in commerce, whether it was even filed (or acquired) in good faith. But...

      Candied apples with the APPLE trademark, anyone?

      No. Trademarks are awarded for specific categories of products. It would have to be a watch, or at least some sort of electronic wearable.

      Yes, all my comments are based on knowledge of US law. But there are treaties harmonizing the laws between basically all Western countries, so the laws are very similar.

      I read the original article a few days ago, and, frankly, it struck me as a bullshit article whipped out by someone with 0 knowledge or understanding, purely to get a "ZOMG Apple will have trouble selling Apple Watch in SWITZERLAND" headline for click bait.

  2. It's a trademark by Paul+Bristow · · Score: 5, Informative

    Looking at the RTS article (in French) it's clearly a trademark issue, not a patent.

    Normally patents expire 20 years after filing, so Reuters should have smelled a rat.

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    1. Re:It's a trademark by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Yeah, this is a trademark issue. Moreover, the suggestion that Apple can't launch the Apple Watch in Switzerland until later this year only holds if:
      A) Apple hasn't already worked out a licensing agreement with the rights holders that we don't know about, and...
      B) Apple isn't willing to trample the trademark and then settle with the rights holders in court

      Considering that they have a history of doing both of those (e.g. Apple secured the US rights to "iPhone" from Cisco a few days after the Apple iPhone was announced, but they trampled over a different company with the Brazilian rights to the name, before finally settling out of court with them a few years later), I think it's fair to say that Apple will launch the Apple Watch in Switzerland whenever it damn well feels like launching it.

  3. Trademark, not patent by tele · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a trademark issue about the name, not a patent issue. See http://www.steigerlegal.ch/2015/04/04/falschmeldung-apple-watch-und-das-schweizer-patent/ (in german) for a picture of the trademarked logo (and run the page through Google Translate for the details).

    1. Re:Trademark, not patent by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Which is even weirder because Bloom County's creator is ** Berkeley ** Breathed.

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  4. Re:I guess all the Swiss watchmakers by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Swiss watchmakers don't compete with Apple. Those that want a Swiss watch aren't looking for an electronic watch. That ship sailed decades ago with the introduction of the quartz-timed watch, and Japan and now China provides those to the world.

    The Swiss still make mostly mechanical watches with loads of beautifully machined small moving parts. Those that want that kind of watch probably aren't even considering an electronic watch.

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  5. Re:A big 'So?' by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

    And comparing Switzerland to West Virginia.... I don't even have words to describe how stupid this is.

    Well...similar size, lots of mountains, landlocked, and lots of guns.

  6. RTS: It's a *trademark* by DrYak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Switzerland, patents expire in 20 years. Trademarks don't expire, but must be periodically renewed. So why is a patent from 1985 still valid?

    The summary and the Reuters article are *wrong*. It's not a patent, it's a trademark. Here's the original RTS' report (in french).
    Here's an announcement from Steiger Legal (in Standard German) that indeed Reuters translated it wrong and then everybody sheepishly repeated it every where.

    In 1985, the watch maker "Leonard Timepieces" registered the usage of an apple and the word "Apple" in the domain of timepieces (probably thinking about a "Wilhelm Tell"-themed timepiece design at some point in time).
    This trademark was registered on 5 december 1985. The next trade mark periodic renewal (once every 10 years) is on 5 december this year (at which point, if Leonard Timepieces indeed choose to renew it, it will remain valid until 2025).

    Now given the Swiss legal system, Apple aren't automatically forbidden to sell their watches in Switzerland. Leonard *could* file a complain (if they think that there's a reasonable risk that Apple is trying to earn money by exploiting consumer confusion and trying to abuse Leonard's brand recognition of *their* apple watch), in which case Apple *could* be barred from selling the watch. But now, there's nothing automatic.

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  7. No this way. by DrYak · · Score: 2

    Non-use of the _trademark_ for a commercial product puts the trademark,up for grabs after 30 years.

    Not in Switzerland.
    In Switzerland, a trademark is granted for 10 years, and the can subsequently be extended, again for 10 year on each successive extension.

    The trademark was registered on 5 december 1985.
    The next periodic renewal is due on 5 december 2015.
    If Leonard Timepiece (the original owner) chooses to do so, they can renew it, and it will get extended to 5 december 2025.

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  8. Switzerland by DrYak · · Score: 2

    In switzerland, they do. And it's 10 year, at which point the owner can choose to extend it again for the next period of 10 year.

    As this trademark was registered on 5 december 1985, the next such 10 year cycle finishes on 5 december 2015. At which point the owner - Leonard Timepieces - can choose to extend it yet again until 5 december 2025.

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  9. Re:Trademark by sribe · · Score: 2

    And they don't need to produce anything. Leonard already owns the trademark, and they are allowed to renew it for yet another 10 year in december 2015 (so keep owning the trademark until 2025).

    Highly unlikely. Not 100% sure about Swiss law, but this is absolutely not the case in the US, where you have to use a trademark for it to be valid, and I seriously doubt that US & EU law are that different on the point. Trademark law protects marks USED to distinguish products, it's not like a domain where you can squat on what you think are, or will become, useful terms.

  10. Re:I guess all the Swiss watchmakers by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Swiss still make mostly mechanical watches with loads of beautifully machined small moving parts. Those that want that kind of watch probably aren't even considering an electronic watch.

    Swiss watches are fashion accessories. The Apple watch is a fashion accessory.

    There is an overlap in market there.

  11. Re:Trademark by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    so the other produce 10k$ watches and the other produces 10k$ watches.

    what's there to confuse, really?

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