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US Started Keeping Secret Records of International Telephone Calls In 1992
schwit1 writes Starting in 1992, the Justice Department amassed logs of virtually all telephone calls from the USA to as many as 116 countries. The now-discontinued operation, carried out by the DEA's intelligence arm, was the government's first known effort to gather data on Americans in bulk, sweeping up records of telephone calls made by millions of U.S. citizens regardless of whether they were suspected of a crime. It was a model for the massive phone surveillance system the NSA launched to identify terrorists after the Sept. 11 attacks. That dragnet drew sharp criticism that the government had intruded too deeply into Americans' privacy after former NSA contractor Edward Snowden leaked it to the news media two years ago. More than a dozen current and former law enforcement and intelligence officials described the details of the Justice Department operation to USA TODAY. Most did so on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the intelligence program, part of which remains classified. The operation had 'been approved at the highest levels of Federal law enforcement authority,' including then-Attorney General Janet Reno and her deputy, Eric Holder.
What's the point if you can't collect pictures of people's junk? Also, given how teens act today, wouldn't the NSA have the largest collection of pedo in the world? Apparently the NSA does think of the children.
This revelation explains why the NSA was pushing on Qwest to be their spy bitches 6 months before 9/11.
Nope. The US started monitoring all international calls much earlier. Read a book on the NSA.
You REALLY think the first time they monitored international calls was 1992? Maybe that's the first time they could definitively say they got ALL of them?
Thank goodness the government had the good sense to protect us from ourselves. We very well could have ended up a nation of hopeless addicts constantly scouring social media sites in search of validation of our otherwise meaningless existences.
Clinton took office in January of 1993
This is yet another started by an R, continued by a D.
Other than Clinton was elected in 1992 and took office in 1993.
Not a fan of Clinton at all, but we should at least be honest. Of course you could blame him for letting it continue for 8 years.
On first glance, with some help from a greasy bridge, I thought it read "1922". Then, after a forefinger restoration, I was actually disappointed to see how small this story really was.
And probably even earlier. But, one thing that everyone seems to be ignoring is that AT&T, and I am sure many others, kept all its call records. It treats the data as an asset.
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
And according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12333, that part of it dates back to Reagan.
Really, I don't think you're going to find any president in recent history whose hands are clean on any of this. They're all responsible for adding another layer or two. The only time I can think of anything getting rolled back was the Church Committee and such in response to Watergate, but even that didn't go nearly far enough, I suspect.
Clinton took office in January of 1993
Shh! Don't tell that to the slashdot conservatives. You know that, I know that, wikipedia knows that, but to the conservative narrative 1992 is squarely in the Clinton years and everything bad that happened during it is 100% his fault.
Just as everything that happened between 2000 (when Clinton left office) and now is Obama's fault.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/2009/07/cold-war-relic-att-long-lines-microwave-site-kingston-ny/
There were a series of Receive Only (RO) towers constructed across the US when Western Electric (AT&T nowadays) had Line Of Site microwave transmissions across the US. Prior to that, there was the transference of tape recordings from them to the various spy agencies.
They've always been listening. It's only now that it's a big deal. That and your junk is in danger of being laughed at...
Google "Puzzle Palace" and see what comes up.
Yes, I get the Snowden makes an attractive and easy media story, but anybody who was paying attention knew this was happening. Why it has been going on for two years and gotten stale means that most people don't care. It was a losing battle to begin with anyways. And it just is the paranoid conspiracy theorists and media who have to write negative articles about politicians who are worried about the potential for wrongdoing. I still haven't seen much evidence of real wrong doing in the revelations outside of LoveINT, which I think FaceBook has just as much potential for misuse anyways.
These days, the NSA collects your entire online life. You are a fucking idiot if you don't realize this by now.
Try looking up Project Shamrock....I think maybe the termination of that effort was actually just a ruse....you announce publicly that you've terminated the project, but when you have a high enough clearance, you find the program was just buried a little deeper....
Shh! Don't tell that to the slashdot conservatives.
Looks to me like the only person that needed to be told was you, and it also looks like after you were told that you tried pretending that you knew all along.
"His name was James Damore."
Look what he's done now! ;-)
While we're confessing, how long have they been faking evidence to cover up secret (and likely illegal) surveillance in parallel construction cases?
If the surveillance goes back earlier then the parallel construction does too.
Most presidents KNOW the start of a program since they have to approve it.
However, once it is going, future presidents rarely know about things unless they undergo serious modification, such as what W did to Poppa Bush's work.
the paranoid conspiracy theorists
You mean the ones who have been pretty much correct about everything?
I mean really, "tinfoil hats" don't seem stupid anymore since we found out the mind control rays were real. Have a declassified document about energy weapons. These devices are being used against innocent citizens, just like the government did with its MKULTRA project. Sorry pal, but we have plenty of documented reasons to be concerned about government spying. FFS, the pentagon is militarizing the police because they're scared of "environmental activists". Care about recycling "too much" on facebook? Send in the COINTELPRO team guys, we've got another anti-american extremists. Fire pain rays at will.
Seriously, if you want to dismiss people now you're going to have to find a different slur than "conspiracy theorist" since they have far more credibility today than the governments do.
If you can tell me what party was in office in 1992. Like I said, started by an R, continued by a D. I can take a wild guess which part you find embarrassing.
I strongly suspect that if we want to investigate anything in order to help protect our nation we should not be so worried about the terror loonies but instead focus on what goes on in businesses. In order for our nation to survive we need to have a degree of trust in our corporations.. As it stands corporations do not deserve one bit of trust from the public. Whether it is the under handed efforts to hold back the Tesla cars or the outrageous salaries payed to executives or off shoring for tax purposes our corporations betray us hourly. As mistrust of social institutions grows individuals tend to adopt the same psychopathic reasoning as the corporations. The morality of the petty gangster with a gun in a convenience store follows the same logic as big business. That gangster doesn't give a hoot as long as he gets his and the same can be said for almost all businesses that you deal with in your lives. Corruption is the new American way.
Now, now, ladies...there's no need for argument here.
BOTH of your boys support NSA wiretapping and espionage.
Go on, citizen, stamp the vote card. R or D, your choice.
They've always been listening. It's only now that it's a big deal.
The difference is the scale and the automated collection and analysis capabilities. It gives you unprecedented options for Selective Enforcement of laws that are pretty much invisible to both citizens and (as it turns out) judges.
That Republicans hate so so much that they can't be bothered to vote for his replacement and get him out of office? Gotcha.
And according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E..., that part of it dates back to Reagan.
That appears to be false. If you read the article and the Wikipedia entry it seems pretty clear that those are different streams of government effort with diferent goals (intelligence vs law enforcement), scope, and methodologies. Then there is this gem from the artilce linked in the summary:
Agents said that when the data collection began, they sought to limit its use mainly to drug investigations and turned away requests for access from the FBI and the NSA.
As far as presidents "whose hands are clean," I think that depends on some points of clarification. The Church Committee was addressing actual abusive conduct or misuse of law enforcement or intelligence. What is abusive in one context or set of facts may be perfectly legitimate in another. As a practical matter, for intelligence agencies or law enforcement to be useful they have to have the ability to do things that would be abusive if misused. One of the difficulties comes in drawing the lines. The US has at times gotten it wrong at times by drawing poorly chosen lines. Signs of 9/11 were missed because of that.
And lets not forget there is a flip side to this:
The Technology Secrets of Cocaine Inc.
Colombian cartels have spent billions of dollars to build one of the world's most sophisticated IT infrastructures. It's helping them smuggle more dope than ever before.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
That may be true, but for some reason the moderation doesn't seem to be even handed on that point.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Like I said, you break it you bought it. I can take a wild guess which part your find embarassing.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
One other thing ... would you like me to start digging up the "started by a D continued by an R" programs? I can take a wild guess about your reaction to that too.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Because I had been arrested, the police are allowed to search my home **without a warrant**! My wife was in the bath, heard a noise and discovered 3 policeman in our hallway. This was the first she'd heard of my arrest.
Yeah....I watched that porn, too.....
Correction if it was in 1992 that would be put on Bush Sr.
Clinton didn't get sworn into office until January 20, 1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...
except Clinton didn't take office until 1993, the election was in 1992 yes but Inauguration isn't until January the next year. But hey don't let facts stand in your way of being a troll.
Your butthurt is showing.
So what does that say about the stories you had queued up for started by a D continued by an R?
Stop hitting yourself!
That says the "D"s owned their policy, and the "R"s owned theirs.
The difference is that I'm honest enough to say that.
So your view is that honesty is a form of self abuse? Figures.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Then we agree that the facts are against you. Thanks
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
My view is that both R and D have an entire ossuary in their closets. The Rs tend to instigate and the D's win the life time achievement award for rubber spine. You seemed anxious to blame only the Ds for the actions of Bush Jr. and Sr. rather than admit that the blame is shared with the Rs as instigators.
Your attempts to disown your own foolish comment only makes you look worse.
What, is this preschool again? Grow up!
Rs own the policies they enact or retain just as Ds own the policies they enact or retain. I assign responsibility on that basis. What gets amusing is the continual attempts at blame shifting by Ds for the policies they enact or retain. It is never the Ds fault that they have the policies they have, is it?. You only credit them with having a "rubber spine" instead of acknowledging their responsibility for their action or inaction. Do you truly believe that the administrations of FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, and Obama weren't responsible for the policies they governed by, or that they were never first movers in government policy? That's not what the history books say, and neither does common sense.
Your embrace of silly notions diminishes you.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Remind me again who said this: "Your butthurt is showing."
I'd offer you a carton of milk and cookie but I'm all out. Check back with me next week.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
There was a great talk on 31C3 (Chaos Communication Congress), the largest hacker conference in Europe. Tell no-one A century of secret deals between the NSA an the telecom industry
The talk can be found on youtube as well.