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Report: Chinese Government Plans To Put 3D Printers In All Elementary Schools

InfiniteZero writes The Chinese government has a new plan to install a 3D printer in each of its approximately 400,000 elementary schools over the next two years. Education is probably one of the areas that will benefit the most from 3D printers in the long run. The problem though is getting the machines into the schools in the first place. With prices generally ranging from $400 to $3,000 for typical desktop 3D printers, they are not cheap, and with budgets within many school districts running dry, both in the United States and overseas, the unfortunate fact is that many schools simply can’t afford them, not to mention the materials and time it takes to train teachers to use them.

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  1. maybe they should put the money into cleaner air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but I suppose more cheap plastic makes them more money

  2. I can see it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ok, which one if you kids tied up the 3d printer with the penis?"

    1. Re:I can see it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see how you tie anything up with a Penis!

    2. Re:I can see it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds kinky.

  3. Unconfirmed rumours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These are unsubstantiated claims, and basically there is a 0% chance this is true. This should set your BS alarms ringing pretty loud.

    1. Re:Unconfirmed rumours by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      These are unsubstantiated claims, and basically there is a 0% chance this is true. This should set your BS alarms ringing pretty loud.

      In other words, a typical Slashdot story.

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  4. $400 an obstacle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same schools that have been buying computers for decades, (or worse, locked-down tablets) despite having no idea how to make productive use of them once they've got them, are unable to find four hundred dollars per school in their budget for a 3d printer for shop class? Bullshit.

    1. Re:$400 an obstacle? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

      But if it's like HP the ink costs more then the printer.

    2. Re:$400 an obstacle? by Enry · · Score: 1

      Filament costs between $20-$40/kg, which will print out a lot of items. Most standard items are in the order of grams of filament.

  5. School technology by XNormal · · Score: 2
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    1. Re:School technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1886 Mimeograph

      1923 Spirit duplicator

      2015 3D printer

      What's fucked up is that when i was in grade school (25 years ago) they were still using Ditto machines (70 years after its invention) despite Xerography machines being widely available (and having been around for 60 years).

    2. Re: School technology by rfengr · · Score: 1

      That's because they worked and were reliable. Imagine using a color laser printer these days to print all school materials, spending $1000 just to replace the toner, never mind the other parts, every few weeks.

    3. Re:School technology by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      1886 Mimeograph

      1923 Spirit duplicator

      2015 3D printer

      What's fucked up is that when i was in grade school (25 years ago) they were still using Ditto machines (70 years after its invention) despite Xerography machines being widely available (and having been around for 60 years).

      There is nothing fucked up about that. That technology worked on the cheap (compared to Xerography or God forbit, modern laser/inkjet printers.)

      Just because it is old, that doesn't mean it is shit. Enter the #2 pencil.

    4. Re:School technology by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Nuclear Power? Yup, the folks at Fucuhima, and Chernobyl totally agree you.

    5. Re:School technology by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      There is nothing fucked up about that. That technology worked on the cheap (compared to Xerography or God forbit, modern laser/inkjet printers.)

      Just because it is old, that doesn't mean it is shit. Enter the #2 pencil.

      But the parts and everything needed to maintain the machine are probably the more expensive parts of the whole thing.

      Photocopiers (aka xerography) back then were still very cheap to operate, especially the larger enterprise models designed for high-volume copying. And it's usually only cost a few pennies per page.

      The ironic thing is today, the modern photocopier is closer to a laser printer than anything - the "digital" photocopier is really a scanner and printer in one unit. They generally are cheaper to operate than a laser as they're designed for high-volume use and since they're already printers, it's just as easy to make them networked printers and scanners for an office scenario. And the price per page hasn't gone up at all, either - a regular desktop laser printer might do 5 cents per page, while the "office center" machine can do it for under a penny a page.

    6. Re:School technology by TechNeilogy · · Score: 1

      I can just picture all the kids picking up their 3-D printed parts and smelling them as they are handed out.

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  6. Seems like a good fit for technology classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They had cnc routers at my middle school. Cnc routers and 3d printers both run on gcode; seems like a good fit.

  7. Technology in Education by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good to see it's not just the US that wastes money on expensive technology-related boondoggles that don't appreciably translate to improved education.

    With China’s recent plan for education, the ball is now clearly in Obama’s court. With a little under two years left in his final term, will he follow suit and fund a similar program to the one China has planned? We can only hope!

    Uh, no. Why does this have anything to do with Obama anyhow? Don't just buy millions of dollars worth of hardware and dump it in the hands of teachers. At least first create a small pilot program to see if this is a worthwhile idea before spending millions of dollars on a device that remains unused. Nothing good comes from wholesale adoption of technology without first checking to see if it will actually be of any use to students and teachers. See: California iPad program scandal / disaster.

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    1. Re:Technology in Education by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Back when I was at school we had Lego and programmable Logo line drawing robots. We had a variety of other construction toys and printers... I seem to recall we had a plotter. In fact even when I was at pre-school we had a toy called a Big Track (or something like that) that you could program with simple commands like "forward 2m, turn left, forward 1m". I must have been 3 or 4 when I was doing that, and I'd say it was the start of my interest in programming and engineering.

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    2. Re:Technology in Education by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Bigtrak!

      I was always fascinated by them, but they were a rich kid's toy back then - they cost about the same in numbers, but the forces of inflation have made them so much cheaper now...

      Now they have one that has an app!

    3. Re:Technology in Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is a huge investment for China's future. 3D printers are neato. Kids will be curious of how it works. It'll get kids interested in manufacturing, 3D modeling, electrical engineering, software development, mechanical engineering, and other technologies that 3D printers use. It'll get kids to express their creativity, to use critical thinking, to experiment and will give China's future generations a head start that'll give them a huge advantage.

      This is (in my opinion) different from the the billion dollar iPad thing in Los Angeles. That served little to no purpose, was wasteful, poorly managed, and implemented primarily to line a few assholes' pockets.

    4. Re:Technology in Education by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      My pre-school got one. I was the first kid to have a go and was really happy when I made to go forward 1m. It was the best toy ever at that age.

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    5. Re:Technology in Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't just buy millions of dollars worth of hardware and dump it in the hands of teachers. At least first create a small pilot program to see if this is a worthwhile idea before spending millions of dollars on a device that remains unused.

      I'm all for having 3D printers in schools, but the current crop are subtle and quick to anger. They need frequent tinkering to remain in working order. You need someone in the school who is genuinely interested in them and willing to do the maintenance (probably on their own time). Without such a person it's just an expensiveish box on a table that no one uses.

      Purchase them for schools willing to make a commitment for keeping them running. Don't just load them everywhere believing that it will help something.

    6. Re:Technology in Education by orasio · · Score: 1

      ipads are most useful if you want to consume content. Not much to experiment with them, at least not with the Ipad itself.

      3D printers are tools, awesome tools. They have nothing in common with Ipads, you can do stuff with 3D printers. Think of them as the logo turtles of today. They show kids a tangible application of programming, physics, math.

      Teachers have the opportunity to choose to use that for teaching, or just let them tinker with cool stuff.
        And I mean single teachers, they can just print a mechanical assembly, or an atom model, or a dna model, a geometric shape . With already existing, easy access easy to use, and most importantly, easy to share tools.

      Compare that to the authoring you can do with an ipad (or a classroom full of ipads) by itself. You _might_ be able to sketch something, but the tools are just not there, or available.

    7. Re:Technology in Education by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      China, and they earned it, is a Red haired Child.

    8. Re:Technology in Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I almost bough one last week on ebay. I spend a lot of my money now on toys that I could never afford as a kid.

  8. Obvious result: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of schools that have no 3dprinter because it got stolen, or never arrived, or what-have-you, and lots of fly-by-night operations trying to make a buck with a newly "acquired" 3dprinter. Whether this is better than the other scenario, the thing remains packed-up or hooked up, tried once, then remains disused in a dusty closet, is debatable.

  9. Eh by sociocapitalist · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's never to early to learn how to make counterfeit product

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    1. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post is marked "funny" but I get the feeling it's pretty close to the sad reality.

    2. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing sad about the truth.

    3. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything is already made in China-- how would this be a counterfeit?

  10. Why? by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    A Chinese elementary school already HAS industry-standard manufacturing equipment sitting right at the desks.

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep telling yourself the little lies that the Chinese economy is based on child labor and copying our brilliantly designed Western products. The sad truth is that Chinese students will outperform Westerners in almost all fields, but especially in the exact sciences, and China is quickly developing into a knowledge economy that will outcompete us Western people also on our last advantage: good education.

    2. Re:Why? by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

      The A students designing the products that the B students wind up manufacturing is still child labor.

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Little lies? That's hilarious. Warn me when any amount of original quality product starts to come out of China, until then I think you're the one who's lying to himself.

    4. Re:Why? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      What's your problem with child labor? Have you considered the possibility that eliminating child labor introduces child death?

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  11. not enough money by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A lot of school districts in California either bought iPads or Chrome Books for every student. It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of weird priorities (and weird bureaucracy).

    Now the school districts that got Chromebooks are upset because they got the cheap devices, and the ones that got iPads are upset because they keep breaking. It's like a disfunctional family.

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    1. Re:not enough money by rsmith-mac · · Score: 1

      A lot of school districts in California either bought iPads or Chrome Books for every student. It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of weird priorities (and weird bureaucracy).

      The issue is usually due to the source of the funding. These devices are purchased using one-time funds, often in the form of grants from the federal government. They either cannot be spent on teachers, or while allowed it would be silly to do so because you'd just have to fire that teacher next year.

      Teachers and really big ticket items like buildings are recurring costs, and therefore need consistent funding. To get more of them you need similarly consistent funding and not one-off grants; not all money is equal.

    2. Re:not enough money by Dutchmaan · · Score: 2

      Leftists always get together to gain strength and impose their stupidity on others.

      Wow... the right claiming to be the party of intelligence.... just wow....

    3. Re:not enough money by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yeap. File that under 'weird bureaucracy.' 3d printers are also 1-time costs.

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  12. Oh good. They are as stupid as US schools by peaceful_bill · · Score: 1

    Fantastic news. The Central Party has decided they will put these in all classrooms because THAT'S a proven model for improving student learning that has never worked anywhere ever. It's nice to know the idiotic thinking that leads to wide-spread system-level roll-outs of technology that isn't understood, supported, or used isn't monopolized in the United States.

  13. We must close the 3D Printer gap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We must do more than close the 3D Printer gap - a 3D Printer for every child! No child left behind.

  14. Budget running dry? by duckintheface · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We use terms like "budget running dry" or "the school districts simply can't afford them" to mask the fact that we have prioritized tax cuts over education. The US is a rich country but the money is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands by the process of rolling back progressive taxes (income and property). This is a conscious choice to ignore educational needs in the coming generations.

    The availability of adequate budgets is a separate issue from the advisability of spending money on 3D printers. Spend the money on basic education first and if you still want to experiment with high tech, then fine.

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    1. Re:Budget running dry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We use terms like "budget running dry" or "the school districts simply can't afford them" to mask the fact that we have prioritized tax cuts over education. The US is a rich country but the money is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands by the process of rolling back progressive taxes (income and property). This is a conscious choice to ignore educational needs in the coming generations.

      The availability of adequate budgets is a separate issue from the advisability of spending money on 3D printers. Spend the money on basic education first and if you still want to experiment with high tech, then fine.

      The sad thing is that "budget running dry" isn't even close to the truth. Every school district in the US (maybe with exception to the very very few that are actually bankrupt) could afford a dozen of these things (one for each school building) because even a dozen are a fraction of the cost of one year of an average teacher's salary (including all benefits). The real meat of the debate would be the latter part, paying for the materials and paying for the salary of the person who has to learn how to run it and keep everyone else from breaking it.

      And if you know a place that's "rolling back property taxes" I would love to fucking see it.

    2. Re:Budget running dry? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      You seem to be disconnected from reality a bit. Not all states are cutting taxes and the federal government is deficit spending. This means that A) most states can spend more but decided the amount was adequate, and B) the federal government doesn't see any need to change this unless they want something specific to be done and then they will only fund part of it while forcing the state to pick up the rest.

      Education funding is where society decided it needs to be. Even most school levees that fail is because people either think it is unnecessary or know that despite the claimed need, the extra funds will end up being used for increasing administration salaries. The latter happened in a town near me and they haven't passed a levee in the 10 years since.

    3. Re:Budget running dry? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      That and what money we are spending on education is directed towards "kids need to pass this series of tests or a) they won't be said to have learned anything and b) the teachers that taught them will be fired." So teachers are forced to teach to the test (lest they be fired*) and real education is tossed aside.

      * In New York State, they just passed a budget. Part of the educational "reform" enacted was that students had to show "growth" on the tests. If they didn't show enough growth (an amount determined AFTER the test scores come in), then teachers would get an ineffective rating. If a teacher got 2 ineffective ratings in a row, they could be fired within 90 days. If a teacher gets 3 ineffective ratings in a row, they MUST be fired in 90 days. (Their only defense in the latter case is fraud and good luck proving that.) It's all part of our governor's War on Public Schools and Public School Teachers.

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    4. Re:Budget running dry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all part of our governor's War on Public Schools and Public School Teachers.

      See that's your fault, because you're not thinking of the children, the children of the corn, the children of the poor executives running those testing companies who need the money from the state to keep up with the Jones's!

    5. Re:Budget running dry? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      And if you know a place that's "rolling back property taxes" I would love to fucking see it.

      Walmart?

    6. Re:Budget running dry? by Shortguy881 · · Score: 1

      Drink a lot of cool aid do you? There is no tax problem. Its a spending problem.

      We brought in $3 trillion in taxes last year in the US and spent $58 billion on elementary and secondary education. That's less than 2%. I'll pay more in taxes when the government shows me they can spend it responsibly.

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    7. Re:Budget running dry? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Wrong Pro-Noun, it's not 'we', it's 'them'. I think that if the ones to the east wanted to put their Yuan where their mouth is, then maybe, just maybe, they would make a 3D printer that can make 3D printers. Of course, that would mean using their "Barney Imagination," something they obviously have not mastered.

    8. Re:Budget running dry? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Don't know the difference between levy and levee? Perhaps your school floated away when the levee failed.

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    9. Re:Budget running dry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you know a place that's "rolling back property taxes" I would love to fucking see it.

      Walmart?

      Try Indiana. The property tax "caps" cap the taxes at below the level they were at previously. Local taxing districts have had to deal with the reality that their budgets were and will be permanently cut by constitutional mandate.

    10. Re:Budget running dry? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      You're telling me that the teachers are so poor quality that if they don't teach the material that will be on the test and nothing else, the students won't pass the test. Teachers that poor should be fired. There are a great number of people in the general public who need jobs and could teach better than people currently employed as teachers; they'd have the additional advantage of not already having their minds corrupted by the garbage that teachers learn in normal schools.

      A student who has learned nothing in a year has been seriously damaged by his teacher, who should be fired before damaging other children.

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    11. Re:Budget running dry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you know a place that's "rolling back property taxes" I would love to fucking see it.

      You've had that power all along, Dorothy! All you have to do is click the heels of your ruby slippers together three times and say, "There's no place like Kansas!" Actually, I'm not sure if it's property taxes, but it's certainly rolling back taxes for the folks that matter (big business and the 1%).

    12. Re:Budget running dry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the classrom was gone.

    13. Re:Budget running dry? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I'm saying that the tests are structured such that students are all but guaranteed to fail. Only by coaching their kids constantly on how to take the test, can the teacher possibly hope to have their kids pass. This leads to teachers who only teach how to take tests, not teachers who actually teach.

      Being able to take a test and knowing the material are two very different things. Then there's the argument about learning related topics that might not be on the test, but might be interesting and spark a love of learning. The most effective teachers I had when I was in school weren't the ones who taught me how to pass a test, but were the ones who were creative and willing to take detours (staying within the general subject but veering from the path slightly).

      This doesn't even get into the politicians setting the bar AFTER the tests to decide just how much progress is deemed acceptable. Because they might decide that a 10 percentage point increase isn't enough and teachers will be deemed ineffective if they don't get a 20 percentage point increase. The whole system is designed to result in failing kids and teachers so the politicians' donors can step in to "save" everyone (and earn a profit).

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    14. Re:Budget running dry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're telling me that the teachers are so poor quality that if they don't teach the material that will be on the test and nothing else, the students won't pass the test. Teachers that poor should be fired. There are a great number of people in the general public who need jobs and could teach better than people currently employed as teachers; they'd have the additional advantage of not already having their minds corrupted by the garbage that teachers learn in normal schools.

      A student who has learned nothing in a year has been seriously damaged by his teacher, who should be fired before damaging other children.

      I worked in a school for a bit, and when you emphasize standard testing too much, the incentive is to keep teaching the test over and over again so that the lowest achievers in the class do better on it. It doesn't matter if the majority of the students already know all of the test. You want to keep going over it so that you can get a few percent gain at the bottom of your class, and as a result, you don't challenge the kids to excel because that's not a matrix that gets rewarded.

    15. Re:Budget running dry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm saying that the tests are structured such that students are all but guaranteed to fail. Only by coaching their kids constantly on how to take the test, can the teacher possibly hope to have their kids pass.

      That's a load of bullshit.

      Standardized tests are easy as hell if you actually learned the material (the underlying system for deriving the answers from the questions) rather than memorizing bunch of single instance cases calling that "learning".

      The problem is that a lot of bad educators have gotten the idea that memorization drills are the way you teach things, and students who don't know any better try to brute force problems that have elegant solutions, instead of learning the elegant solution because that's what they've been told to do.

      The other issue is that because public education is compulsory public schools have may of the same social problems as prisons, and that tends to mean the teachers who last have been selected for being able to enforce "order" on an unruly student body more than for their ability to educate students.

    16. Re:Budget running dry? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Well it was a long time ago. But no, i was just letting auto complete do it's thing.

      Tell me though, did it really confuse you that much? Or did you actually understand but decided to pretend to be a smartass?

    17. Re:Budget running dry? by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Phase 2 of the project: 3D print the teachers, save money and profit.

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    18. Re: Budget running dry? by rfengr · · Score: 1

      Actually we (they since I voted against it) passed a $265M school bond issue in Johnson County KS. It's mostly all bullshit; a swim complex for the high school, a dark theater, etc. They won't actually hire any more teachers, since that's too long a commitment.

  15. School budgets by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With prices generally ranging from $400 to $3,000 for typical desktop 3D printers, they are not cheap, and with budgets within many school districts running dry, both in the United States and overseas, the unfortunate fact is that many schools simply canâ(TM)t afford them

    That's a myth. The U.S. spends more than a quarter of a million dollars per K-12 classroom every year (average 20-23.4 students per class). We could easily afford one 3D printer per school. Heck, we could afford one per classroom.

    The problem is schools are top-heavy and administrators suck up most of that money, then create an artificial financial crisis every time a budget cut is threatened. This gets teachers and the teachers' union to claim we aren't spending enough on education, when we're already spending way more than we should be.

    Yes I'm aware that first link I gave says administration is only $843 per student per year. That's because the administrators have gamed the stats to hide how much money they're sucking up. If you drill down into the numbers (p.56), you find that "In 2008-09, salary and employee benefits for school staff amounted to $8,797 per student." Subtract $843 for administration and that leaves $7954 per student supposedly going to instructional teachers.

    For 2010, the average student to teacher ratio was 16.0 (this includes substitutes and assistants). Ask yourself, is the average teacher making ($7954 * 16) = $127,264 per year in salary and benefits? Of course not. The figure is inflated because the administrators have misclassified most of their salary and benefits as "instructional" instead of "administration" to hide how much money their draining from our educational system.

    1. Re:School budgets by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      Politics also comes into play way more than it should. In an elementary school in our district, a principal was fired (he sexually harassed multiple teachers). Instead of just being fired, though, he was transferred to a position where he could keep his pay while doing nothing for a few years. The district didn't want the bad publicity of a lawsuit, so they hushed everything up as much as they could and kept him on the payroll.

      Another example: New York awarded a $26 million contract over 8 years to Pearson to administer high stakes tests. There are no signs that the tests actually return any data and the passing mark has been artificially set so that less than 40% of students pass. (I believe now you need to get a B to pass. C or D are considered failing grades.) There is no oversight to make sure the tests are age appropriate or even that they are graded right. It's just give the test (no peaking for teachers or they get in trouble), ship them back where they are graded and then destroyed. Want to contest a grade? Sorry, it's been destroyed already. There has been a big outcry against this sort of thing, but the politicians keep pushing it because a) they like "data" (even if the data isn't accurate or helpful in any way), b) they get lobbying money from Pearson and other companies who profit off this kind of thing. Sometimes, state/local officials even have direct financial ties to these organizations.

      Meanwhile, they keep claiming that it's the teachers' fault and the teachers get paid too much. My wife is a teacher - though not in the classroom now - she got paid less than minimum wage when you considered how many hours she worked.

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    2. Re:School budgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your second link is referring to universities, not K-12.

    3. Re:School budgets by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      There are other personnel expenses in schools, janitors for example. The biggest dollar sinkhole is "special needs" children that shouldn't even be in public schools, the sort of children who get $100k of special instructors per year and who can't do anything but drool.

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    4. Re:School budgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      School budgets are as bad as Hollywood movie budgets, the money goes places and nobody knows where or who benefits.

      And no, privatization won't magically cure it. What's needed is the interested parties (ie parents), being concerned. The problem is, it can take years before the failures to become evident. What are you going to do, demand a do-over?

      Oh well, at least we can pretend all the money is going to Area 51 or something.

    5. Re:School budgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't 100 percent agree with you. In most businesses the admin is about 17 percent. So administrative should be at least that. But when you look at the sheer number of things required to support district of 10,000 or more students. If you can get away with 8500 a year, that's only about 45 bucks a day or 5-6 bucks an hour to watch the kids and educate them. College costs a fair bit more than that.

  16. im not sure most people know how bad it is. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    with budgets within many school districts running dry

    Primary and secondary public education coffers have been moth riddled and bare for more than 30 years. most districs charge for class books, even if its only 5-10 dollars each. Sports facilities get facelifts only from local franchise fast food franchise moguls and the system routinely finds itself ardently justifying lunches that consist of pizza and french fries every day of the week. History class is a hodgepodge of bill nye reruns and just enough basics to get you through standardized testing, while biology and science classes casually cover balancing chemical equations and photosynthesis at a pace slow enough at which they can intentionally avoid the sociopolitical shit-storm of teaching evolution in an american school. Math, or what we refer to as math, is simple arithmetic by any international standard, avoids too much homework, and keeps it easy enough that the football team can pass.

    comparing american and asian education systems is foolish. We once put an MTV owned project called Channel One TV, in nearly every school in the country with the promise of video learning but it eventually bore its true colours as a targeted advertising platform. When we're not packing hallways with vending machines and hustling kids into not-so-voluntary asvab military testing, we occasionally find time for asbestos abatement or the ever growing swath of parents that simply refuse to take part in their childs education from even the most cursory standpoint. So even if we did have 3d printers we wouldnt know how to use them, where to install them, or how to interface them with our 10 year Dell hand-me-down PC's.

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  17. Vasiluk Dmitrij by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good work Chana! In university on Russian don't have 3D technologies.
    http://wob.su/blog/

  18. Yeah so right.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    High Schools can afford a $16 million football field but can't buy a $400~$3000 3d printer?
    I call BS
    Sell one of the many overpriced macs, fire a coach, make it happen.

  19. Utility of 3D printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There is a lot more hype around the acquisition of 3D printers, than the actual utility of them. We have 'em in schools. I have friends that have 'em. We have one in our Hackerspace for free and open use. Except for a few novelty trinkets like game pieces, and iPhone case - in all the printers, in all the places - with all the people - this has been far from the world-changing devices they're often hyped to be. I don't want to say they're a "solution in-search of a problem" - but...let just say the "problems" are few and far between - at best.

  20. Benefits? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    Education is probably one of the areas that will benefit the most from 3D printers in the long run.

    I don't see the reasoning for this conclusion, it seems to me this program is a colossal waste of money. I did a little searching and these benefits don't seem that great except in the cases of engineering classes. I am sure there are some students who will have their interest piqued, but there's a false assumption in that argument that the students would not have gone on to be engineers without that early exposure to some toy in the classroom.

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    1. Re:Benefits? by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Education is probably one of the areas that will benefit the most from 3D printers in the long run.

      I don't see the reasoning for this conclusion, it seems to me this program is a colossal waste of money. I did a little searching and these benefits don't seem that great except in the cases of engineering classes.

      And Fine Arts. And "shop" class. And adv. music classes where students experiment with manufacture of music instruments. And cooking/baking classes (be them introductory classes or classes that are part of a more serious culinary arts curriculum.).

      I disagree with your assessment that STEM classes are the main beneficiary.

      I do agree with you, however, in the need to proceed with caution, and not to expect an educational silver bullet out of this.

  21. a bit young by slashmydots · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm an absolute expert at photoshop and I know HTML design inside and outside. I'm a pro 3D landscape designer for my work and last time I tried a 3D modeling program, I couldn't make heads or tails of it. After hours I gave up, having barely made a peanut shape. If I can't do it, I don't think elementary children and their teachers can. They could simply download premade 3d models but that's not usually the point of doing it in schools.

    1. Re:a bit young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post made me laugh due to the juxtaposition of hubris and ineptitude.

    2. Re:a bit young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://pixologic.com/sculptris/

      Try Sculptris. You can probably make something in half an hour.

    3. Re:a bit young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this is like saying that because I sing well but I can't play the violin or the piano with both hands no children can.

      BTW, my 6 year old son routinely designs things using FreeCad and prints them. Of course it must be because he has a great teacher(me) and because he had innate interest on it.

      My 4 years old daughter couldn't care less about printers at all. And when she needs a toy she ask her brother who gladly agrees.

      My son does not ask for tv toys, but PLA rolls of different colors. It is starting to worry me.

    4. Re:a bit young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you were using subdivision surfaces or NURBs patches. Those are good for modeling characters and aerodynamic surfaces like cars or airplanes. Other times, it's easier to just use polygon modeling to model things like houses and computer parts. Alternatively, software like Mathematica, Matlab or various plugins to build geometry based on various parameters is much faster. But in all cases, it takes practice and know-how on how to start from a basic shape, then gradually add features and detail.

    5. Re:a bit young by dr_canak · · Score: 1

      My daughter,

      does not have anywhere near the expertise you have, nor am I sure she ever will as she hasn't shown any kind of aptitude for this sort of thing.

      That being said, her school bought a 3-d printer, and it's the shear wonder of the thing that excites her. They have to pay some nominal amount, depending on the size of whatever it is they want to print, and I'll happily give her a dollar to get some trinket printed, only because she finds the thing so fascinating.

      That kind of excitement and wonder is hard to teach, buy, instill, etc... And here is a piece of technology, for a tiny dollar amount, that does that for her. I have no idea where it will lead, and in fact fully recognize that it may well not lead anywhere. But maybe, just maybe, it gets here jazzed on technology, certainly in ways that extend beyond what her i-device does.

  22. Re:maybe they should put the money into cleaner ai by morgauxo · · Score: 2

    Talk about vision! They are teaching their children to make things with 3d printers. AND they are converting their air into something that can be fed into the extruders instead of filament. Just plug it in and start printing.

    It's going to be like everyone having a Star Trek replicator!

  23. Easy to afford. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just make the 3D printers in China to lower the costs, and have the students do the labour for free.

  24. nonsequitur by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

    It doesn't follow that because you're an expert in 2D and some types of 3D design, you're automatically an expert in 3D modeling in general. Children trained early might actually become better than adults with years of computer graphics training. Maybe becoming a good 3D modeler requires the brain to be wired differently, something that can be easier to achieve in childhood, the way that a child for example can become fluent in a language faster than an adult would. Maybe it's the way a child is less afraid of making horrendous grammatical mistakes or ugly peanut-like shapes.

    1. Re:nonsequitur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right its essentially easier to learn 3d first and then 2d

    2. Re:nonsequitur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you been in a high school that teaches 3D modeling?

      I graduated from one in Central/Upstate New York where they promote the use of Autodesk Inventor in several engineering and technology-related schools. Some students understand and do useful things with the 3D printer. Most have very rudimentary skills (i.e. they can extrude simple shapes in the software, but concepts such as revolves are confusing and difficult). In general, a lot of these students were not able to produce things of value on the 3D printer and the few that were did not produce them effectively (waste of space, bad layout, excessive use of supporting material, etc.). Then again, it's hard to tell if the student is genuinely struggling with the software or if they were shoehorned into the technology classes because they sucked at all the alternative electives (music, art, foreign language, etc.) But it was frequent that over 70% of the class would not eventually pursue a career related to 3D modeling despite all the exposure and experience.

      slashmydots may have made several bad points, but he's right that not everyone is tuned for 3D design. Our school district gets the students involved in 3D design as early as 7th grade when they have a basic understanding of arithmetic and are just starting to learn mathematical functions. Even then, only a small percentage of the students become adept at 3D design by the time they graduate from high school. You can blame that the curriculum is bad, but our school district is frequently lauded to be one of the better programs in the US (Project Lead the Way, aka PLTW).

      If this is the state of technology education, then I do not expect that having a 3D printer is every school is that valuable. Our school barely fits the 3D printer usage into the curriculum. The students who actually use the machine with any degree of skill are those who actively sought out teachers and made time after school to learn the machine. This is coming from an alumnus that now works in mechanical engineering and manufacturing (with lots of use of 3D modeling in SolidWorks). I also volunteer time in the high school's robotics program, so I am able to actively compare my own experience with how the students use the same facilities over a decade later.

    3. Re:nonsequitur by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      First of all, it was a beautiful peanut shape. Second, I also used to be a college math tutor. I have basically no art skills so don't ask me to model a person in 3D but I should definitely be able to make geometric shapes based on just math. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.

  25. Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile, groups with axes to grind against the Chinese government are readying hacks against the school networks that these printers will be on so that they will immediately start printing out items that are supposed to be suppressed in China. Maybe some Falun Gong knick knacks or a 3D relief model of Taiwan clearly labelled as not part of China, etc.

  26. Re:Meanwhile by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    That is a racist comment?

  27. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering the effects of operating a 3D printed gun, and the interfering with Darwinian Socialism, that not allowing one to make and operate them only generates more paper work.

    Maybe create a 3D printed solar powered drill?

  28. To fund 3D printers by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Take the money out of union dues.

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  29. The "school" part is not what is important. by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    Who do you think will make these 3D printers ? Obviously not American companies.
    I believe the point here is to promote mass production of 3D printers by offering a 400000 unit order to whoever can build these cheaply. If they manage to drop the price of entry-level 3D printers to say, sub-$100, there may be a huge market waiting for them. This, or the result of corruption by 3D printer manufacturers.
    Why schools ? First : if they are to build 400000 3D printers, at least put there somewhere they can be used, second : kids working with 3D printers may become future customers, third : investing in education is good PR.

  30. False, Second hand rumor from promotor in Taiwan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The news article attributes - but does not quote - a guy (Simon Shen) who runs a 3D printer company in Taiwan:
    "According to Shen, the Chinese government has a new policy to install a 3D printer in each of its approximately 400,000 elementary schools over the next two years. "

    Huh? The reporter, Brian Krassenstein, did not even slightly check his facts. First, there are 832,300 primary schools in China (not 400,000) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E... More important, the direction of Chinese schooling is determined by the Ministry of Education, which has said nothing of the sort: http://www.moe.edu.cn/publicfi...

    This is little more than a small-time CEO of a 3-D printing company getting misquoted while he tries to get more sales.

    Anyways, for both Chinese students and teachers, studying for the gao-kao tests trumps any classroom gizmo.

  31. dump standardized testing by HongPong · · Score: 1

    This type of tech - maybe not just in one wave, but things of this nature - should replace standardized testing. To hell with filling in little dots, let the kids actually *create* things and then they are more likely to succeed. Tons of nasty leech organizations grab the kind of money needed for these sorts of initiatives. Swat them away and get creative - and yes 3D printers are manufactured in the US.

  32. I bet this is worse in Charter Schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where there are profit margins wedged in there and the actual schools get an ever shorter stick. I work at a public school. I can assure you average class sizes around here are at least double that and no one is getting rich unless you're an administrator (school or otherwise).

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  33. Re:maybe they should put the money into cleaner ai by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    With billions of Chinese that can't be regulated sans an iron fist (otherwise that takes too much effort to keep cracking the whip), it only makes sense to make them self-sufficent much in the same way farmers are today. Basically, stay in your own community, STFU, and make your own shit. That's the Chinese mantra inside the mainland.

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  34. It is amusing to me that the by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    "Big government can't do anything right" crowd is constantly essentially handing our global competitors perpetual advantages, while increasingly sabotaging our economy.

    It also amazes me that so many people don't seem to comprehend what a huge game-changer 3D printer tech is and the proliferation of inexpensive 3D printers.

  35. China vs USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China schools get 3d printers.

    US scholls get Common Core!

    Take a fast guess which one will far ahead of the oThet next generation!!!!