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1980's Soviet Bloc Computing: Printers, Mice, and Cassette Decks

szczys writes Martin Maly rode the wave of computer evolution in the 1980's while living in the former Czechoslovak Republic. Computers themselves were hard to come by, peripherals were even more rare and so enthusiasts of the time hacked their own, like dot-matrix printers and computer mice. If your build was impressive enough, the government would adopt it and begin manufacturing the design somewhat widely. Was your first computer mouse built into a plastic spice container? We covered what the personal computer revolution was like in Eastern Bloc countries back in December.

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  1. C64 had a cassette drive by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My C64 had a cassette recorder (DataSette I think it was called). It wasn't being Soviet, it was being cheap when the floppy disk drive more expensive than the computer.

    1. Re:C64 had a cassette drive by itzly · · Score: 2

      Most home computers from that era had cassette recorders.

    2. Re:C64 had a cassette drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Early 5.25" floppy disks could only store around 180K of data. An extended play tape cassette could store 3 hours of audio per side, with the data transfer rate at 600 baud (around 60 bytes/second). So a tape cassette could store a maximum of 632K of data per side. In practice, it was less than that because you had to find space to store each program on the tape cassette, and handle your own "sector management" by allocating a good segment of space for each program. Your only clue was the little counter in the tape drive. God help you if you accidentally reset that counter - had to wind the tape all the way back and start again. There were some chess playing video game consoles that actually were able to use tape cassettes to record video or the individual moves.

      Fortunately by the 1990's, we than had 3.25" floppies which could store 1.44 Megabytes of data per disk, then zip drives, and now 64+ Gigabyte USB memory sticks and SSD drives.

    3. Re:C64 had a cassette drive by Tx · · Score: 2

      Ahh, yes, the early days of software piracy (or my experience of it) - copying Sinclair Spectrum games onto C90 cassettes using twin cassette decks. If you tried, you could fit like ten games on one cassette. Those were the days.

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    4. Re:C64 had a cassette drive by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      I usually made 3 copies of programs and data because the cassette was so unreliable. At least my cheap gittup was. You can only buy so much on weekend-lawn-mower wages.

    5. Re:C64 had a cassette drive by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 2

      I started using a Commodore 64 when I was 7. All of our family was amazed when we realized how to do 'Load"*",8,1' and Load"*",8,1
      So many good times were had with the C64 simply because the jump in technology from what we had before it was so huge. We got our C64 a little over half a year before the NES. Its hard to imagine so much technology jump in one year. If you look at video games today, not much changes(more polys) each console generation anymore since we already had enough computing power to do what we wanted last generation. But going from Atari2600 games to C64/NES games was such a jump that it is hard to put into words, and maybe no one will understand it unless they lived through it. It inspired some sort of awe that I couldn't put into words.

    6. Re:C64 had a cassette drive by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      I owned a Sinclair Spectrum and used to copy tapes using a dual deck and I never, once, had to adjust anything.

      One of us was doing it wrong, or one of us is making shit up.

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  2. Admirable aspects by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Modernism and human efficiency aside, they repaired and reused a lot of equipment and parts rather than make version N be landfill and buy version N + 1. You have to admire that aspect. The throw-away culture we have now is an embarrassment to humanity. Plus, there's the fun side of their MacGyver-ism.

    1. Re:Admirable aspects by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can we please stop repeating the blatantly false claim that Soviets were communist? They may have cynically flown the flag, but in practice they were unapologetically fascist (same small group of elites controls both government and industry). Communism involves the workers owning the means of production - that's only compatible with the government owning the means of production if the workers own the government, and NOBODY is making that claim about Soviet Russia.

      Maybe one day someone will be able to attempt state-level communism, but we're going to have to make some massive advances in democracy first.

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    2. Re:Admirable aspects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Try modifying your BluRay player now. You'll get that knock on the door.

  3. laugh all you want. by nimbius · · Score: 2

    wayback machine trips to old soviet satellites are always a thrill until you realized what these states were: Speed bumps. Most satellites had to be gobbled up as part of soviet expansionist communisms ethos, but they were actually a substantial economic drain on Moscow. the education was poor, most societies were agrarian, and infrastructure was infantile compared to the motherland. Capitalizing on them meant shoveling nuclear and civil works projects into them, pumping billions rubles into their coffers while doing so. Education was immediately improved, but the focus on mathematics and sciences was dwarfed by the local politburo members to ensure they had enough cobblers, welders, masons, and mechanics to forge what the USSR had ultimately envisioned. Personal computing was a distant third in a lot of ways and by the time the Afghan war had metasticized into a full-blown proxy war with the US, many satellite states were simply human fodder for a meat-grinder campaign that saw heavy casualties on all sides.

    So if youre old enough to remember your first mouse, dont take that for granted. your duly assigned Glorious Leader for the region was under immense pressure to turn it into a socket wrench, or a kalashnikov.

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  4. Yes, I had a lot of fun... by SlovakWakko · · Score: 2

    ...putting together a plotter for my ZX clone. The best thing about those time was - no MMORPGs to hook your kids at 6. The games of the time (and place) were so lame that it was more fun to learn BASIC :)

  5. lolwut by edittard · · Score: 4, Funny

    We covered what the personal computer revolution was like in Eastern Bloc countries back in December.

    Going from nothing to serious cyber espionage in four months is pretty impressive.

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  6. And the less admirable aspects ... by drnb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A former coworker who worked in a Soviet client state during that period told me that the distribution of printers was controlled because it was a "printing press" and could be used to create anti-government propaganda for distribution. That there were government offices where you could take your data to be printed if you were unable to justify why you needed a printer yourself.

    1. Re:And the less admirable aspects ... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      A former coworker who worked in a Soviet client state during that period told me that the distribution of printers was controlled because it was a "printing press" and could be used to create anti-government propaganda for distribution.

      This is what frustrates me so much when people refer to the USA as a 'police state.' They have no idea what a real police state is - In a true police state you can't even have a printer.

    2. Re:And the less admirable aspects ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They have no idea what a real police state is - In a true police state you can't even have a printer.

      And this is what frustrates me when people make the No True Scotsman argument - they don't even realise they've made it, or that the thing they're claiming runs a spectrum.

      Tell you what, you go and take a few photos of government buildings today, see what happens to you.

      I'll tell you what happened when a friend of mine, as a symbol of solidarity, took a photo of an American flag in another country - four cops and a dog tracked him down, searched him, deleted the photo, and threatened him with arrest for doing so without permission.

      At the request of the American ambassador, no less.

      So yeah, police state.

    3. Re:And the less admirable aspects ... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Don't worry. You soon won't be able to have a 3D printer without a license, and thereby officially become a police state.

  7. Re:1%'ers not partners with fascists by Immerman · · Score: 2

    You're the only one who mentioned the 1%ers. One group controls both the government and industry - can you think of a better way to describe them than as a small group of elites?

    Also, I think your description of Fascism and worker syndicates is more generally applicable to... well pretty much every socio-economic system ever, really. Without some form of worker alliance the powerful will continue amassing a greater percentage of wealth until it begins to threaten the ability of the masses to continue producing it. Further, if they're too short-sighted to consider the long-term impacts of their actions.

    Under fascism neither the 1%ers nor the 99%ers necessarily have any say - though if the 1%ers haven't been stripped of their wealth to further enrich the elites, then they're probably getting at least some voice in the way things are run. Granted there will always be a 1%, statistically, but there's no need to make society's "middle management" hundreds of times more wealthy than the proletariat to keep them doing their jobs.

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