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Bolivia Demands Assange Apologize For Deliberately False Leaks To the US
Rei writes In 2013, during Edward Snowden's brief and chaotic search for asylum that ultimately landed him in Russia, the US faced criticism for handing information to various European nations that Bolivian president Evo Morales was smuggling him out of Russia, leading to the grounding of his flight. In a new twist, in the documentary Terminal F about this time period, Wikileaks founder Julian Assange admitted that he was the one who deliberately leaked the fake information to the US government. Bolivia has been none too pleased with this news and is now demanding that Assange apologize for putting their president's life at risk.
It's espionage, get over it.
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That's where Assange is going for sure. They can get him on a few different federal charges now.
Blame Austria for their baseless breech of the immunity and inviolability of a president and their aircraft. Diplomatic protocol is widely known and respected across Europe.
Blame Spain, Portugal, and France for falling lock-step in line with Washingtons witch hunt, instead of championing their own sovreignity and autonomy.
Blame the United States for violating diplomatic protocol, strong-arming foreign nations, and once again doing it all without so much as a shred of concrete evidence.
but dont blame Snowden. If anything he simply exposed the cowardice of European member states and the desparate measures to which a broken superpower would go to readily secure their latest antihero in preparation for kangaroo court.
If we were to analyze the situation another way, Imagine Bolivia were so desperate to bring George Bush to trial for Iraqi warcrimes that it forced the presidents jet to land in Lithuania and be forcibly searched for 9/11 documents.
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Now let's be happy and rejoice that you aren't the president of anything. Just a Slashdot hot-air.
And who is going to apologize for that title grammar?
I think Assange SHOULD apologise. After all, he was risking the life of a head of state (admittedly, the risk was probably fairly minimal). That said, it seems like Morales deserves an apology from a lot of countries, including the U.S. Right or wrong, it would be the diplomatic thing to do. Not apologizing just reinforces the perception of the U.S. as imperialist/bullying. It seems like France is the only one to have issued an apology so far...
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Something of a dick move. But it highlighted the kinds of crap USA can pull with virtual impunity.
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In his eyes he can do no wrong so what does he have to apologise for? If the president had died, well, just collateral damage for the greater good, right?
If they'll forcibly ground the Presidential plane from a sizable country, do you really think they wouldn't stoop to trumping up some rape charges and put a little pressure on Sweden too?
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
So you recommending they Pick up the American President and all of Congress? Because All they do is play those games.
As an american, I completely support that. 100% disgusted with all of Congress and the President. Can they grab all the Republican and Democratic politicians in the country as well?
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Espionage. It's a dirty game.
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Ah, my personal stalker returns. How's life in the bushes over there?
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Morales has already gotten apologies from the countries involved. The new information here is that Assange lied in an effort to precipitate an incident like this.
But you're going to get one anyway.
Sweden have this law that they can extradite people back to their country of origin if they committed an offence in the country, but IF they're wanted by someone else for a crime, they can extradite to that third party country. What Sweden are doing is NOT charging him, since if they did, they'd have to send him to court FIRST, and if they find him guilty, would have to jail him first. But as long as they don't actually charge him, they can just kick him out. HOWEVER, they can't kick him out (to the USA who will then issue a warrant for his arrest to get Assange) unless he's in their country. Therefore the insistence they have to interview him on Swedish soil, not foreign soil.
The UK, meanwhile, have an extradition treaty that requires it to be illegal in the UK, and that there be some proof to make the call. And you can appeal the extradition order - except in some cases, which has actually caused many problems for the Labour government when they handed people over to the USA without any evidence. Therefore politically unsound to just insist that Assange should be given to the USA.
Sweden, as long as there's the accusation of a serious crime against him, can be exported out on the terms of the court or political class and no appeal: he's not allowed to stay in the country. They just move him to the USA who asked to have him.
What is that Assange guy doing?
Masterfully trolling the US government?
I mean, c'mon... Getting us to take down a plane carrying the president of a sovereign nation? Fucking beautiful!.
And can you deny that we deserve it, for listening to intelligence from someone actively resisting extradition not because he fears because he fears a cushy Swedish prison, but because he fears subsequent rendition to the US?
Something of a dick move. But it highlighted the kinds of crap USA can pull with virtual impunity.
Got any of that anger available for Russia and China, who both also consistently do all kinds of nasty things "with virtual impunity"?
Assange is just a SWATing early adopter.
Disinfo is the oldest game in the book. Assange is stuck in a hole in London due to the oldest. :sigh:
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This.
Assange is a blowhard.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Yes. One strong consideration in regards to the UK is that just handing people over to foreign governments (US or otherwise) doesn't work quite as well for high-profile persons. Sure, some people are going to be upset if you hand over "random person X" to a foreign power where he/she may likely be tortured or abused, but in many cases those people might not even be in a position to know it was done by the government, just that Bob didn't show up for work one day and nobody knows where he is.
If the UK government hands over Assange, there's enough eyes involved that it would probably spike somewhat significant protests etc. Kinda like airing your dirty laundry on the front porch rather than in the back yard.
Not just a stunt: It also let him find out how much the US wanted him by testing their willingness to take extreme action. If they are going to risk a major diplomatic incident, then it means he has very good reason to be paranoid and should start assuming every stranger he sees is potentially a CIA deniable assassin.
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Not to be too cynical, but the Bolivians are used to being kicked around by larger countries. They know what to expect and how to respond and fight back. Assange however takes this to a new level of humiliation for them: the Bolivians have found out that they're now pawns of a western megalomaniac who before they assumed was an ally or at least a friendly. That, and at least the large imperialist powers had the courtesy to apologize. Assange doesn't even bother, saying that his role in violating Bolivian national sovereignty was for the "greater good."
It's like an out of control police force, who, operating on an anonymous tip, kicks down your door and beats you, violating your civil rights. Yes, that's bad, but it's even more humiliating when you find out that the guy who dropped the tip was supposedly a friend you had been working with, who involuntarily sacrificed you as a pawn for what he perceived as the "greater good."
F*** all of these a-holes, see if they fall for it twice, aim for a more important leader next time.
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Cheney and his little cohort committed cold blooded murdered when they outed Valerie Plame and her Iranian anti-nuke intel program. Just to get even with her husband. That's Kingpin-level asshole murder. Any Iranian associated with her front groups was tortured to death as a traitor.
Bill Kristol is floating the idea that Cheney should run for President this week. I don't see Cheney imprisoned in any embassy. I don't see roboposters slamming his rep and spreading false charges on every. single. thread. on. the. internet. his story might be told.
How did Assange "give" them that intel?
You fool.
When he spoke about the spying on Americans, he was doing the right thing.
When he spoke about the NSA spying on other nations and terrorists, he became a traitor.
The reason is that the NSA was set up to SPECIFICALLY to spy on other nations, terrorists, foreigners, etc.
And consider that just about every nation in this world attempts to do the SAME THING, and regards it as legal, means that it is legal for NSA TO DO THE SAME.
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