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Turkish Hackers Target Vatican Website After Pope's Genocide Comment
An anonymous reader writes Turkish hackers have brought down the official Vatican City website, following Pope Francis' statement in which he referred to mass killings of Armenians by Turks as 'genocide'. According to reports, the website www.vatican.va was first taken offline on Monday evening with a Turkish hacker, named @THTHerakles, announcing that he would continue to target the website should an official apology not be issued from the Vatican City. The hacker said that the Pope's comments were "unacceptable" for a respected religious figurehead. "Taking sides and calling what happened with the Armenians genocide is not true ... We want Pope [Francis] to apologize for his words or we will make sure the website remains offline," he added.
Because killing over a million people of a certain way of life is not genocide...
Not sure how he thinks he's going to come out on top in the public eye for attacking the clergy. Sure, he'll be the hero of his hacker friends, but most of the world has a pretty low opinion of people who attack the clergy.
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It was a genocide. Genocide, genocide, genocide. The mass killings of the Armenians by the Turks 1925 was a genocide.
Now, vailant Turkish hax0rs, go ahead and take down the Internet.
Yeah, the best way to not get caught it to tell people you're going to continue hitting a specific target. No way you could get caught with that strategy.
I would have thought that most of his Turkish friends would have a low opinion of him already for choosing a Greek handle.
>most of the world has a pretty low opinion of people who attack the clergy.
And that is the top reason the clergy has an issue with pedophiles in their ranks. Protection from public opinion or investigation, even if it is self-imposed.
Soon the Pope will be saying the US genocided the Native Americans. US hackers will then hack the Vatican as well. Of course, in that instance, the church was part of the genocide.
How the fuck am I supposed to get my daily "Pontiff's Postings" and "Cardinal Glick's Fav Flicks" newsletters now, you Turk cocksuckers??
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Screw the butt-hurt turks. It was genocide.
What would the Inquisition be considered?
Huh? Ask the remaining Armenians. Why not admit it? Good for the Pope. I would like more comments on bad behaving countries and also priests.
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The Turks are a touchy bunch. Seems like the Turks bullied HP to pull their last major security report a couple of months ago because it said (correctly) that the Turks allowed nasty things to be done online, some in support of ISIS. Now the Turks want the Pope to apologize for saying (correctly) that genocide includes killing a million people of a specific ethnicity? Wanting to save face and placing honor before truth is way too common, but come on. The Turkish reaction on these and many many other issues is just idiotic in the face of overwhelming evidence and worldwide understanding. Take your lumps like the Germans did and move on. Oh, and quit letting ISIS cyberjackasses use your fat pipes in support of their non-cyber butchery.
I really would like the media to stop referring to people who DDoS as "hackers". All they're doing is sending a pile of requests to a service and overloading it. I'm not impressed, neither is anyone else here.
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Never mind that when the Pope says something into a microphone somewhere, it's rebroadcast through satellites to every corner of the globe - you took down Vatican City's web site!
That'll fix their little red wagon!
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This would be the perfect opportunity for the Pope to fire a second salvo by commenting on the Turkish oppression of its Kurdish minority...
but most of the world has a pretty low opinion of people who attack the clergy.
Only the religious people of the world. we atheists don't care if someone wrecks a religious website. Loosing an actually useful website would be worse.
Not sure how he thinks he's going to come out on top in the public eye for attacking the clergy. Sure, he'll be the hero of his hacker friends, but most of the world has a pretty low opinion of people who attack the clergy.
FUCK the clergy.
Religion is an obsolete fairy tale which is used to control idiots. Religion is responsible for
much of the evil perpetrated in the world today. The world would be a much better place
without religion.
>most of the world has a pretty low opinion of people who attack the clergy.
And that is the top reason the clergy has an issue with pedophiles in their ranks. Protection from public opinion or investigation, even if it is self-imposed.
No, the top reason the clergy have this issues is because they're human. That's not an excuse, it's a fact. It's been shown time and time again that the incidents of pedophilia in the clergy is no higher than the general population. The real problem is that we bury our collective heads in the sand. We want to believe that there's an evil organization hiding, protecting pedophiles so that we don't have to think about the fact that it might be our next door neighbor or, more likely, our son or daughter's teacher.
Incidentally, the problem with pedophilia in the Catholic Church is one if pederasty which is actually a problem with homosexuality, which is okay now.
As a Greek i know what Turks are - not "was", but "are"! Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, e.t.c., know also...
If i write here what Turks done to Greeks, starting from 1453 (the hordes of Muslims inside Constantinople), continuing in the centuries following the struggle of Greeks to free themselves from them (that's why you still see us Greeks dressed as "Tsoliades" -the warriors with the "funny skirt"-, it's because we try to honor those who liberated us from them), and ending to the invasion in Cyprus (2/3 of the victims were woman and children - we still find them -women and children- buried...) it would look like a fucking Greek trying to attack poor Turks. The same it would look if i was an Armenian, an Assyrian, a Kurd (did you know that Kurds are still not permitted to teach their language; They are not even permitted to wear a certain compination of coloured dresses, because...!!!)
We Greeks fought German too (in the WW1 Germany and Turkey were allies, in WW2 the were "sillent allies", and Turkey declared war to Germany one day before Germany surrenders). Hitler inspired the genocide of Jews from Turks (he asked his officials: who remembers the Armenians?). But Germany did the right thing: no one, not even Jews, can claim that Germany denies what it did, on the contrary Germans almost turture themselves with their continued auto-critisism. That is why Germans are Germans... and Turks are Turks!
But i am a Greek so...
as have Canadians.
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Typical Muslim response to the truth. Ban it, bar it, become the victim.
> but most of the world has a pretty low opinion of people who attack the clergy.
Most of the world isn't Catholic. Most of the world really doesn't give a toss what self-importance a bunch of unproductive life-wasters have assigned to themselves.
Whilst I typically hold a low opinion of anyone that attacks a website for no other reason than being an ass, I don't think you'll find much sympathy in this case across large swathes of the world. Perhaps in Catholic circles where the Pope and co. can do no wrong you've created this bubble whereby any attack of Catholicism or it's dictatorship is universally hated, but in reality an awful lot of people look at the Catholic church and think "widespread child abuse coverups, increased the spread of AIDS in Africa, responsible for most modern homophobic attitudes in the West" and have roughly 0 sympathy for any harm that comes to the Church.
I think you might want to step outside your bubble and realise that at least 6 in 7 people in this world aren't Catholic, and out of those 6 billion people, most really just could not give the slightest shit as to what is going on in the great Vaticanland theme park.
The inquisition was political killing, which was deliberately not in the definition of genocide, and it was to suppress, not exterminate, which also, is not under the definition of genocide.
"When you cut out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say." -- George R. R. Martin
Circumcision is child abuse.
maybe this report about "Exorcists warn Vatican over 'beautiful young vampires' and satanic yoga" also scared them http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Soon the Pope will be hiring hackers to take back the Holy Land from the Turks.
Good catch. He might not get on well with his neighbors.
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Attacking the clergy of their religion, yes. Attacking the clergy of other religions, not really.
... the Pope.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Similar "hackers" were some of the most prolific spammers on Usenet in the early 90s. Everybody who administered a news server back in the day probably remembers the incident, and many of us felt like mass murdering these guys in response. They practically invented the spambot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
Wow, all the other 16 year olds must think you're so edgy...
>Incidentally,
No, call it what you like, but I think the public outrage is not because it's commonly a homosexual act, but because it's a sexual act pressured on children by an adult in a position of trust and authority.
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Speak for yourself. Atheists are not some sort of organized institution that all agree with your own embittered position.
The irony is that the Ottoman empire murdered half a million Pontic Greeks.
You do of course realize that the frequency with which pedophilia occurs with clergy has been overblown by the media, right? I'm not excusing it or saying that it's ever going to be in any way acceptable, but the entire reason it that pedophilia in churches was ever such big news is not because of how frequently it was occurring, but because of the emotional response that such news effectively creates. Per capita, in fact, it is not any more probable in a church setting than what statistically occurs elsewhere... far less, in fact... it considerably more likely, for example, to be occurring inside one's own home, but because spinning the story in this way provokes a much stronger emotional response because it is something outside of one's own immediate control that people can get angry about, creating a sensationalistic media haven, and a veritable breeding ground for people to have passionate rather than well-reasoned responses, while just talking about pedophilia in homes, while certainly not any less wrong, would tend to produce a much more defensive response such as "well that doesn't happen in *MY* home", and thus are more dismissive of it.
Of course, none of this should be taken to ever *excuse* the clergy, or anyone for that matter, who abuse children in this way... my point is only that focusing only on how clergy commit pedophilia can take focus off of the fact that it is actually the crime that is truly abhorrent, and not the institution itself. Again, the institution was far less likely to harbor pedophiles than a home itself would be.
So perhaps that's actually part the problem, because the institution has a very communal flavor to it and there tends to be a stronger sense of trust, similar to what one might encounter in one's own home, among the people affiliated with such organizations than what may otherwise occur in a more contemporary public setting, it can conceivably make it statistically more likely to happen in that kind of organization than other types, and may be a contributing factor. Still it happens with disturbingly far more frequency in homes and in family settings than in a church.
Most churches today, owing in no small part to the sensationalistic news that was created about them when stories about them abusing children first broke out in a big way, now have a *LOT* of checks and balances in who they have in positions of authority and how they treat other people, small children or otherwise, and it is thankfully far safer in such environments in that respect now than even what it used to be. Is it perfect? No... but it's getting better, and that shouldn't be ignored.
As they say...The more you know
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Pre eternal September you could count on Seder to post long, rambling and confusing anti-Armenian screeds whenever turkey was mentioned. Made talking about Thanksgiving dinner interesting. I guess the web is too big to grep nowadays.
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Who cares whether or not you believe in God. Religion is still responsible for people helping other people. Not required, of course, but it provides guidance to many.
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A part of modern Turkey's wealth was built upon what they took as booty from the Armenian Genocide.
For Turkey to admit the Genocide is not a matter of not having the courage to say "sorry" but a matter of facing the consequences of their actions.
Consequences that imply repair to the victim's families and borders to Armenia. That is why the negation of the Genocide is so important for the Turks. To the point they'll jail their own scholars if they mention it.
Disclosure:
I am a descendant of a survivor of the Genocide. My great-grandmother who died at 96 when I was ~10, told me, and I now 45, remember clearly, how all her children, but my yet unborn grandmother, were killed in front of her and her husband eyes. She could later escape disguised in a carriage of dead bodies.
Nah. It's fine, as long as he keeps to just attacking websites. Clergies are the people who spread stupidity, they should have heir websites taken down.
I think this sort of response rather vidicates the Pope's statements.
The last one to try to kill a pope was a Turk too.
The problem with pedophilia in the Catholic Church isn't just the prevalence of it, or the fact that the clergy are in a position of power. The problem is the way that they covered up the cases and protected the abusers. The right thing to do when discovering a pedophile priest would be to hand him over to the police, but the church would often keep things secret and move the priest to another location, to try to make the problem go away. This culture of secrecy went all the way up to the pope, and when an organization as large as the Catholic Church has systemic problems like this, it completely justifies the amount of media attention that they received.
It coulld be another effect of the 'extinction wars'.
As every witness is destroyed, who would assertain the genocide?
Any lie could pervade.
I think you'll find the teachings of many of the world's major religions (from all points on the compass) encourage -- and even compel -- the followers to help other people.
I always find it a bit amusing that when the war of ideas starts going badly for one side that the hackers rise up to to fight, as if attacks on the other side's computers will actually do anything useful except make you look even worse.
What are you afraid of, Turkey? Becoming a modern state like Germany? Cuz, you know... I'm pretty sure they've admitted to it and it wasn't the end of the world.
And the way this was done was identical to how child abuse can remain undetected in a family for years....
My point is that the real problem is not with the church or how it is organized, it is more deeply rooted in a type of social disfunction that can occur in any environment where there is implied element of trust. Such trust is not typically associated with public organizations outside of a church or similar setting, which is why it appears to happen more frequently in churches than elsewhere. In truth, it unfortunately happens more than an order of magnitude more frequently in families and people's own homes, often without anyone else being the wiser. Should we abolish families because of that?
While certainly religions of all kinds, including Catholicism, have been used to condone absolutely abhorrent behavior in the past, it is all that anyone can do to realize that mistakes have been made, and to at least try to avoid repeating the same ones, which is the policy that the Catholic church attempts to utilize.
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I think a big part of the reason it's so taboo is that the founders of modern Turkey were probably involved in the genocide
You guys should take a step back and look at the larger picture
The problem is not Turkey per se, but the religion that most Turkish people believe in --- Islam
Look at Germany --- it too committed genocide not that long ago, but in the case of Germany it has the guts to admit what it had done and to seek forgiveness for it
There are many differences between Germany and Turkey, but the one thing that sets them apart the most is the religion
Christianity had done many bad things in the past and the religion ( at least many practitioners of Christianity ) has acknowledge the past sins
Germany has the guts to acknowledge what it did to the Jews partly because of the religion Germany relies on - Christianity - and when Christianity readily admits its past sins, Germany follow suit
On the other hand, Islam has never apologize for all the wrongs that it was involved in. Similarly, Turkey, being an Islamic country, will never acknowledge the genocide it has committed against the Armenians
The rate of sexual molestation of children is frighteningly high in all organizations I looked at, and the Catholic Church is not out of line there.
What the Church got really blamed for was its actions with such molesters. The priests would normally be shuffled off somewhere else where'd they be inconvenient to investigate, frequently working with children again. It wasn't just that they were covering up abhorrent crimes, but that they were giving the criminals more opportunity to pursue their crimes in safety.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Religion is also responsible for people hurting other people. I don't know what the total net effect is.
Religion often makes people absolutists about their prejudices. A tremendous amount of harm is done by people convinced that they know what's right, and go with that rather than dealing with whoever it is on a human basis.
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