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Scientists Close To Solving the Mystery of Where Dogs Came From

sciencehabit writes: For years researchers have argued over where and when dogs arose. Some say Europe, some say Asia. Some say 15,000 years ago, some say more than 30,000 years ago. Now an unprecedented collaboration of archaeologists and geneticists from around the world is attempting to solve the mystery once and for all. They're analyzing thousands of bones, employing new technologies, and trying to put aside years of bad blood and bruised egos. If the effort succeeds, the former competitors will uncover the history of man's oldest friend — and solve one of the greatest mysteries of domestication.

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  1. state of the science by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    One thing we've known for a long time is that a good half of them are sons of bitches.

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    1. Re:state of the science by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Informative

      One thing we've known for a long time is that a good half of them are sons of bitches.

      Yeah, but they're still better than most people. ;-)

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    2. Re:state of the science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't you go pushing your gender normative ideas on the innocent doggies. They can all be sons of bitches if that's what make them feel happy!

    3. Re:state of the science by StrangeBrew · · Score: 5, Funny

      My neighbours named their dog Karma. What an awesome name for a female dog.

    4. Re:state of the science by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      My neighbours named their dog Karma. What an awesome name for a female dog.

      Duh. They should have called her Dogma.

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    5. Re:state of the science by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

      My wife named the dog Kat.

      Now when the dog gets into something and you holler at her the two cats pop there heads up and have a "What? I wasn't doing anything" look on there faces.

    6. Re:state of the science by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Animals have a really hard time understanding and remembering words to begin with, this is just messing with them. That you had cats smart enough to recognize a group word AND were willing to come when called is already a triumph, messing with them is just mean.

    7. Re:state of the science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now when the dog gets into something and you holler at her the two cats pop there heads up and have a "What? I wasn't doing anything" look on there faces.

      Yeah, but the cats will do that even if they were doing something. That is, if they even acknowledge your existence.

    8. Re:state of the science by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      My neighbours named their dog Karma. What an awesome name for a female dog.

      Duh. They should have called her Dogma.

      +5 Underrated

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    9. Re:state of the science by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      I bought a dog the other day...I named him Stay. It's fun to call him..."Come here, Stay! Come here, Stay!" He went insane. Now he just ignores me and keeps typing. -- Steve Wright

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    10. Re: state of the science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. That might win out over my current first pick, Bones.

    11. Re:state of the science by davester666 · · Score: 1

      The bitches will get all up in your grill if you call them that.

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    12. Re:state of the science by Quasimodem · · Score: 1

      My wife named the dog Kat.

      Now when the dog gets into something and you holler at her the two cats pop there heads up and have a "What? I wasn't doing anything" look on there faces.

      Yes, but cats would do that anyway. Even if they were up to their pointy ears in the mischief.

    13. Re:state of the science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ignorant Americans should know that Karma is a Hindu concept, not Buddhist.

    14. Re:state of the science by doccus · · Score: 1

      Dogma for the puppy, and Karma for the volkswagen. Incidentally, I thought dogs, bears, and even sea lions came from the same family, and they already know the past genetic for bears and sea lions.. so why not dogs?

    15. Re: state of the science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sons?"

    16. Re:state of the science by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      But eventually, they all go to heaven.

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    17. Re:state of the science by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      My wife named the dog Kat.

      Now when the dog gets into something and you holler at her the two cats pop there heads up and have a "What? I wasn't doing anything" look on there faces.

      http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyri...

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    18. Re: state of the science by billdale · · Score: 1

      Hah! All this scientific muck-a-muck just to find out where dogs come from?! Everyone knows where dogs come from-- PUPPY MILLS!

    19. Re:state of the science by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      My karma just ran over your dogma.

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  2. Finally Happy! by Shinare · · Score: 2

    All the dog archaeologists and geneticists around the world must be thrilled they have something to do...

    1. Re:Finally Happy! by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      How are they closer to solving the mystery just because they have scheduled a big meeting? Its that all it takes these days?

    2. Re:Finally Happy! by pspahn · · Score: 2

      That, and apparently according to the PMs around the office, lots of checklists.

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    3. Re:Finally Happy! by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

      You mean besides chasing cars?

      Oh, I thought you were talking about dog archaeologists, not human archaeologists who study dogs.

      At least dog archaeologists would know where all the bones were buried...

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    4. Re:Finally Happy! by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      Sirius...ly?

    5. Re:Finally Happy! by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 1

      We named the dog Indiana.

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    6. Re:Finally Happy! by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      We named the dog Indiana.

      And what did you name the dog outside of Diana?

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  3. im sure the initial proposal was neat. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Funny

    Scientist 1: nature is wonderous in its mystery, its complexity and its form. But rarely have any of us asked the question where does the dog, the canine, come from?
    Scientist 2: thats not what we should be asking at all. theres no scientific inquiry to be had and the topic just distracts from serious and important issues like...
    Scientist 1: Like the origin of dog! how long have dogs been here?! how did they evolve? have the always been mans best friend?
    Scientist 2: Im getting real sick of your shit, jerry, we both know its your dog thats crapping all over my yard.
    Scientist 1: but we cannot be certain until we delve into the scientific nature of dog!
    Scientist 2: oh for christsake.

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  4. I'm assuming... by FizzyP · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the answer isn't bitches?

    1. Re:I'm assuming... by oldsak · · Score: 1

      They come from the egg.

    2. Re:I'm assuming... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

      The answer is always bitches.

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    3. Re:I'm assuming... by BreakBad · · Score: 1

      Mars bitches.

    4. Re:I'm assuming... by magarity · · Score: 1

      puppies

    5. Re:I'm assuming... by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      bitches got that doggy pussy.

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  5. competitive by monkeyxpress · · Score: 1

    ...and trying to put aside years of bad blood and bruised egos.

    Wow, who would have thought there was so much glory in being the 'origins of dog' guy.

    1. Re:competitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and trying to put aside years of bad blood and bruised egos.

      Wow, who would have thought there was so much glory in being the 'origins of dog' guy.

      Yeah, but it doesn't quite measure up to being the only-one-who-hears-the-voice-of-god guy

    2. Re:competitive by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low." – Wallace Stanley Sayre

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    3. Re:competitive by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, who would have thought there was so much glory in being the 'origins of dog' guy.

      Maybe they're dyslexic.

    4. Re:competitive by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and trying to put aside years of bad blood and bruised egos.

      Wow, who would have thought there was so much glory in being the 'origins of dog' guy.

      Must be a bunch of glory hounds

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    5. Re:competitive by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I would much rather be the person whose dog talks to me.

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    6. Re:competitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your missing that it was a joke is almost as funny as the joke itself.

    7. Re:competitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm old, so you're going to have to explain the joke.

    8. Re:competitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and trying to put aside years of bad blood and bruised egos.

      Wow, who would have thought there was so much glory in being the 'origins of dog' guy.

      Must be a bunch of glory hounds

      At least they didn't turn into a bunch of terrierists.

    9. Re:competitive by Livius · · Score: 1

      The dead stop being bitter.

    10. Re:competitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jokes often use a technique known as "hyperbole", in which someone describes something which we all know to be exaggerated and not literally true, but in a way which still reflects an actual characteristic of the thing being described. The incongruity between the truth and the description is part of the humor. See also: "Yo' mama" jokes.

  6. bitches by johnsnails · · Score: 1

    Bitches...

  7. Then there is the next big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How exactly did humans get domesticated by cats.

    1. Re: Then there is the next big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's clear that cats came from outer space.

    2. Re:Then there is the next big question by DaveyJJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bastet (praise be her name) is very powerful. Domesticating the hairless ape species into becoming nothing more than servants/staff for her creatures was less work than a languid stretch in a sunbeam.

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    3. Re:Then there is the next big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a statement, not a question.

    4. Re:Then there is the next big question by nightcats · · Score: 1

      Dogs have masters. Cats have staff. (and no one knows who really said that first)

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    5. Re:Then there is the next big question by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Dog think they're family. Cats think they're God. -- Origin unknown

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    6. Re:Then there is the next big question by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it was the typo that is causing you to not be able to find the original quote. ;)

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    7. Re:Then there is the next big question by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it was the typo that is causing you to not be able to find the original quote. ;)

      Yup. Corrected quote (still without a source):

      Dogs think they're humans. Cats think they're God.

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    8. Re:Then there is the next big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toxoplasma gondii domesticated both humans and cats.

    9. Re:Then there is the next big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toxoplasmosis: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bbc+toxoplasmosis

    10. Re:Then there is the next big question by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Dog think they're family. Cats think they're God. -- Origin unknown

      It's a little known fact that dogs and cats are males and females of the same species.

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  8. When they're old enough.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... we'll tell them where babies came from.

  9. Oh dear... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Really? Do we have to have this conversation? Okay...

    When a mummy dog and a daddy dog love each other very much, mummy dog gives daddy dog a special piggy back ride...

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    1. Re:Oh dear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You forgot the part where mummy dog rises from the temple at the request of King Tut.

    2. Re:Oh dear... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      You're gonna raise some really screwed up kids ... but screwed up in an interesting way.

    3. Re:Oh dear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if you realized I was referring to mummies of the deceased variety.

    4. Re:Oh dear... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Absolute true story I'm embarrassed to say:

      My 7 year old son: "Pffft, I know how babies are made; I watch all the nature channels".

  10. TGIF by Knightman · · Score: 1

    So, after they have solved this conundrum can they then focus their attention on breeding out the need for dogs to lick their balls?

    But given the state of the competitive behavior in academic circles we will instead end up knowing WHY dogs lick their balls...

    Over and out!

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    1. Re:TGIF by Mikkeles · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...we will instead end up knowing WHY dogs lick their balls...

      Because they can.

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    2. Re:TGIF by pubwvj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you could reach you would too and you wouldn't get anything else done. This flexibility is why dogs never achieved the great advances of mankind like space flight and nuclear bombs. Imagine if men were that flexible...

    3. Re:TGIF by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      But given the state of the competitive behavior in academic circles we will instead end up knowing WHY dogs lick their balls...

      Over and out!

      Because they can!

      Two guys were walking down the street, and notice a dog sitting there licking it's balls, giving them a real workover.

      One says to the other "Gee, I really wish I could do that." Other one replies, "Don't you think you should check with the dog first?"

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    4. Re:TGIF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, after they have solved this conundrum can they then focus their attention on breeding out the need for dogs to lick their balls?

      But given the state of the competitive behavior in academic circles we will instead end up knowing WHY dogs lick their balls...

      Over and out!

      Two drunks are walking down the street, when they see a dog licking its balls. The first drunk says "Boy, I sure wish I could do that!". His companion looked puzzled, and then asked "Don't you think you ought to pet him first?"

    5. Re:TGIF by Talderas · · Score: 1

      I imagine men would still fight over getting others to lick their balls for them.

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    6. Re:TGIF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...we will instead end up knowing WHY dogs lick their balls...

      Because they can.

      Top three answers:

      ...because they can

      ...because they can't make their paw into a fist

      ...because nobody else will

    7. Re:TGIF by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      It is either: OVER or OUT. Not both. Only in bad movies they say both.

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    8. Re:TGIF by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      You're joking, but it really would be nice if dog breeds were bred for stuff like "lives a long healthy life" instead of "skin folds on face".

    9. Re:TGIF by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Some are so long as they are fairly modern and a working breed. From what I understand the brittany is and they seem to be a wonderful animal. One that has the hunt instinct will look forward to it and knows what it looks like when you are getting ready to go and wants in the truck. They also have a great temperament and from what I have seen and read don't seem to have the health problems that other older breeds have.

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    10. Re:TGIF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They might not have nuclear bombs, but I'm 100% sure that dogs reached space before any human.

    11. Re:TGIF by AdamStarks · · Score: 1

      Where's the +1 Chilling mod when you need it?

    12. Re:TGIF by Knightman · · Score: 1

      I see some have answered "Because they can" and it seems I was too obtuse...

      When has common knowledge stopped academic research into things.. :)

      Time for another beer!

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    13. Re:TGIF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To lick boldly what no one has licked before!

    14. Re:TGIF by jblues · · Score: 1

      If you could reach you would too and you wouldn't get anything else done. This flexibility is why dogs never achieved the great advances of mankind like space flight and nuclear bombs. Imagine if men were that flexible...

      I am that flexible, you insensitive clod! . . . . Now 'et 'o aye lor (gags) . . . I said GET OF MY LAWN!

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    15. Re:TGIF by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      They don't need to figure out how to get into space, because they know we will take them along.

    16. Re:TGIF by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      ...we will instead end up knowing WHY dogs lick their balls...

      Because they can.

      You want they should maybe bite their balls?

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    17. Re:TGIF by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      Yes, and that is the point. They got apes to build the rockets for them.

  11. Dogs come from dogs. by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    Dogs come from dogs, and cats come from cats. You never see a cat coming from a dog, or a duck from a crocodile. God made each animal as it's own kind. /s

    1. Re: Dogs come from dogs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I hear people reply "from my mother" when asked where they're from, I always want to say "Never been there, but I've heard it's a good tourist spot".

    2. Re:Dogs come from dogs. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You never see a cat coming from a dog, or a duck from a crocodile...

      Booyah!

      http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/...

    3. Re: Dogs come from dogs. by AndyKron · · Score: 1

      I have a friend that would say that.

    4. Re:Dogs come from dogs. by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      You never see a cat coming from a dog, or a duck from a crocodile...

      Booyah!

      http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/...

      There was a guy who claimed to have bred an abadile by mating an abalone with a crocodile, but when it was investigated it turned out to be a crocobalone.

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  12. Solving the mystery of where dogs come from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, first a mommy dog and a daddy dog love each other very, very much.......

  13. Not too hard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other dogs... I'll get my coat.

  14. The look of love by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    An interesting study just came out about dogs and eye contact... http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/... (the-look-of-love-is-in-the-dogs-eyes/)

    1. Re:The look of love by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      from your link: Japanese researchers found that dogs who trained a long gaze on their owners had elevated levels of oxytocin, a hormone produced in the brain that is associated with nurturing and attachment, similar to the feel-good feedback that bolsters bonding between parent and child. After receiving those long gazes, the owners’ levels of oxytocin increased, too.

      The dog’s gaze cues connection and response in the owner, who will reward the dog by gazing, talking and touching, all of which helps solder the two, the researchers said. They suggest that dogs became domesticated in part by adapting to a primary human means of contact: eye-to-eye communication.

    2. Re: The look of love by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. Have these people ever been to places like Mongolia, which is just now leaving the Bronze Age? They've had domesticated dogs for millennia, but there's no touchy feely stuff. The dog guards the gur (aka yurt), and gets tossed scraps. It's a purely economic relationship.

      While obviously dogs evolved to communicate visually with humans, I don't think it happened the way they think it did. Dopamine, oxytocin... these chemicals will always be found with important evolved behavior: its why we do those behaviors! At the margins they coax us to behave in just the right way often enough.

  15. Why a single place? by Alomex · · Score: 1

    I think there is enough evidence to suggest that domestication happened independently in at least three different places: Eurasia, Australia and America. Why are they trying to narrow it to a single place?

    1. Re:Why a single place? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      Why are they trying to narrow it to a single place?

      Surely one place is best. And each scientist who studies dogs wants the pick of the litter.

    2. Re:Why a single place? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Given modern experimental evidence that wild foxes can be domesticated in a few generations (that includes physical changes, most notably non-erect ears), multiple site domestication is quite plausible.

      There are also several modern examples of wild fox newborns raised as pets without significant problems.

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    3. Re:Why a single place? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      There are also several modern examples of wild fox newborns raised as pets without significant problems.

      Evidently they've never been put in charge of the hen house. Or elected to Congress.

      (since you missed my last joke [which, admittedly, wasn't that good], I thought I'd try another one :-)

    4. Re:Why a single place? by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      The evidence for multiple domestications is overwhelmingly strong. Denial of it is like climate change denial. There may always be someone with their pet unified domestication theory but it's simply wrong.

    5. Re:Why a single place? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      But Foxes are neither Dogs nor Wolves, they are related to Cats.

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    6. Re:Why a single place? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      That was a pretty interesting study, and does show that the underlying behaviors of canids and humans have some degree of compatibility and overlap, and it does not require a large amount of breeding to produce domesticated canids. The fox experiments (I think they were done in Russia) demonstrate that the domestication of wolf progenitor populations into dogs was probably fairly rapid, which also raises the likelihood (strongly hinted it in the molecular data) that there were multiple wolf domestication events. And even for all of that, dogs still remain simply a number of subgroups of C. lupis, and still enjoy interfertility with other members of genus Canus.

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    7. Re:Why a single place? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      It was just a joke, I say a joke son.

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    8. Re:Why a single place? by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Whilst technically true, your statement is also misleading (if you meant to imply foxes are more closely related to cats than they are to dogs). Wolves, jackals, dogs and foxes are all Canids. Foxes are also more closely related to seals, otters, skunks, weasels, red pandas, bears and walruses than they are to cats (the Caniformia suborder contains all these, felines are in a different suborder).

      You may be thinking of Hyenas, which are more closely related to cats than dogs.

    9. Re:Why a single place? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      What?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

      Foxes are very close to dogs and wolves.

    10. Re:Why a single place? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Foxes are neither Dogs nor Wolves, they are related to Cats.

      wrong they are a member of the Canidae family along with wolves dogs and jakels. Cats are part of the Feliformia

    11. Re:Why a single place? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I think there is enough evidence to suggest that domestication happened independently in at least three different places: Eurasia, Australia and America. Why are they trying to narrow it to a single place?

      Since the dog is supposed to be the first animal domesticated, maybe we're overlooking something unique. Maybe it's not just the dogs that could get along well with humans had a greater chance of surviving, but also that humans who could get along well with dogs also had a greater chance of surviving. There's no reason why natural selection wouldn't prefer such an evolutionary preference in both humans and dogs. It's not like humans are immune to the effects of natural selection.

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    12. Re:Why a single place? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      I'd say that's a good point, and probably not necessarily overlooked. In Guns, Germs, and Steel the author makes a point about animal domestication as a precursor for dominant cultures. He had an amusing example of how different history would have gone for Africans if rhinos could've been domesticated into cavalry. In tribal conflict a pack of loyal dogs would be a huge boon to those that had them. Dogs also tend to be very protective of human children in my anecdotal experience.

    13. Re:Why a single place? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Dogs are instinctively protective of babies and children. Every family with kids should have a big mutt to prevent child abuse.

      Dogs and humans are also the only animals known that prefer the other species company to their own species.

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    14. Re:Why a single place? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Foxes are in the hierarchy of animals considerd cats ... no idea about your links, did nit read them.

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    15. Re:Why a single place? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The modern taxinomy might call them canids, but they are not related in any way to them, besides being mamals.
      By coevolution they look like dogs, but they aren't. Ofc they are not felidae either.

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  16. Multiple domestications by pubwvj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is a huge amount of evidence that domestication did not happen once or in one place but many times in many places around the world. This evidence points back as far as about 135,000 years and as close as about 15,000 years for each of these events in time where wolves domesticated humans. It is speculated that wolves did this for two reasons: fire and thumbs for scratching.

    It is not surprising that there would be multiple domestications. A human plus a wolf are far more powerful at defense and offense, at hunting and guarding than either species alone. Our social structures are very parallel and our physical abilities complement each other.

    1. Re:Multiple domestications by Puff_Of_Hot_Air · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you read the article (I know, I know), you would have seen that the evidence for multiple domestication events can be misleading (as was first believed in pigs, and then disproved). This research will hopefully get to the bottom of it.

    2. Re:Multiple domestications by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Now, this is a theory, a thesis. It seems plausible, but you haven't advanced any data to see if it is indeed true.

      This is precisely what these folks are trying to do.

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      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    3. Re:Multiple domestications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting AC because of mods.

      I've heard of the Wolf theory before. It argues that there are essentially four types of wolf that may have lived near human settlements: Inquisitive & friendly, inquisitive & aggressive, shy & friendly, and shy & aggressive.

      The shy wolf we can discount to a degree, as they didn't come near human settlements all that much. Any inquisitive & aggressive wolf that came close would find itself that night's wolfburger. That leaves inquisitive & friendly as the wolf roaming around human settlements. Over hundreds of years and multiple settlements, the wolves nearby became inquisitive & friendly mostly by natural selection, as the other types were either too shy to come close or to aggressive to let live.

      Of interest is the Australian dingo: although not a dog as such, there is ample evidence that it was semi-domesticated along the same lines as the wolf. Dingos and dogs can interbreed, the same as dogs and wolves can interbreed., suggesting a common, and not too genetically distant, ancestor.

      However, at the Lakota Wolf Preserve here in New Jersey, the owner speculated about the wolf - dog ancestry: "How do you go from a wolf to a Chihuahua?"

    4. Re:Multiple domestications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same way you go from a standard poodle to a teacup poodle. It's amazing what selective breeding can accomplish.

    5. Re:Multiple domestications by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did read the article and still see strong evidence and logic for the multiple domestication. For example, some strong domestication results are within the 15K BP timeframe but people also took domestic dogs with them to Australia which is much greater than that frame. It's complex. I doubt this will solve it.

    6. Re:Multiple domestications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > A human plus a wolf are far more powerful at defense and offense.

      No, a human plus a wolf = well-fed wolf.
      Thank you for dinner.

    7. Re:Multiple domestications by Puff_Of_Hot_Air · · Score: 1

      The dingo only originated about 5000 years ago (a dog that hopped on a boat from Asia). It's a dog gone wild, nothing to do with the original domestication/s.

    8. Re:Multiple domestications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm... So please tell us your fears about wolves, LittleRed.

    9. Re:Multiple domestications by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance. Please actually read the originally cited article and come to understand evolution.

    10. Re:Multiple domestications by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's the point but your date is off. The immigration to Australia included dingos but was further back.

    11. Re:Multiple domestications by Puff_Of_Hot_Air · · Score: 1

      I would love to help you with your severe ignorance problem, but I fear to be wasting my time. Good luck.

    12. Re:Multiple domestications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While evidence can be misleading this does not mean it is misleading. During their exploration of the American west, Lewis and Clark reported that wolves on the Great Plains hung around their camp. The wolves were as friendly and docile as dogs. The wolves really didn't have to be around people as there was ample food for them but discarded food items were enjoyed by the wolves. The social structure of wolves is fairly compatible with human understanding.

      None of these things have been reported for pigs.

  17. Yes but.... by P33kP0k3 · · Score: 1

    This is all well and good, but are we any closer to knowing who let them out?!?!?!?!?

    1. Re:Yes but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  18. Packs of wild dogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to talk about the packs of wild dogs that are controlling most of our major cities.

  19. Close? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This word was used in the title then the summary says they're just getting started using "new technology". How is this close?

  20. Animated Response by jeremiahstanley · · Score: 1

    I guess this question logically follows after knowing that all dogs go to heaven. At least in the movies...

  21. by the time american creationists finish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cats!

  22. But more importantly who let the dogs out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    inquiring minds want to know :p

    1. Re:But more importantly who let the dogs out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hilary clinton did

  23. which one? by sshir · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It took only 50 years to domesticate fox in that russian experiment

    Thus it would be a surprise if dog domestication happened only once.

    1. Re:which one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust me, Fox is not domesticated.

    2. Re:which one? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Everybody should know that dogs are domesticated WOLVES not FOXs.

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    3. Re:which one? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      He does, and so do the Russians that domesticated foxes. His point is that if foxes domesticate so rapidly, wolves likely do as well.

    4. Re:which one? by Puff_Of_Hot_Air · · Score: 1

      The Russian experiment was extremely interesting for a number of reasons (the way floppy ears and lower brain capacity came with selecting against aggression for example. There is evidence to suggest that humans have self-domesticated over the years leaving us friendlier, cuter, and a bit dimmer than our distant ancestors; but I digress), but it's hard to see how it has much to do with the original domestication of the dog (you need cages and scientists and 50 years of a completely useless animal before you end up with a lovely pet). The dog was the first domesticated animal, and in a lot of ways it seems a very odd choice to domesticate (it's an unlikely choice for the first dinner menu item). And you can't start with a dog when you don't have a dog, you start with a wolf. Even the most friendly of wolves is still a wolf. Even a wolf puppy is still going to turn into a wolf. It takes several generations of selective breeding to get something that's not going to have that level of aggression that stops every wannabe tough guy having his own pet wolf today. Add to this that there is evidence to suggest that humans and wolves (or early dogs), were hanging out together while humans were still hunter gatherers and the situation becomes even more intriguing. Did humans and wolves cooperate in some way? How could hunter gathers kept early dogs that were much more wolf than dog? Why did they do it? There is so much here of interest and it's great that all the disagreeing researchers are now working together (more or less), to really gather the information that will hopefully shed more light on this fascinating piece of our history.

    5. Re:which one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or someone captured wild wolfs and kept them caged up for entertainment. Zoos today keep non-domesticated animals for that purpose.
      Killing the most inconvenient wolves and keeping the more convenient ones for a couple of decades would solve the problem.
      Another alternative would be if one could find a use for wild wolves. Perhaps someone figured out that if you could tie one up and keep it at a distance you could use it to track smaller animals during the winter or something.

    6. Re:which one? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Ofc they do, you need perhaps ten to twelve generations.

      However foxes become more dog like and lose their 'foxyness', at least that happened in Russia (I assume you refer to those 'blue foxes').

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    7. Re:which one? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Well, the standing hypothesis for domestication is that it wasn't really conscious, it just happened to be beneficial for both species - but for wolves first. Presumably they started by scavenging on edible remains left in the vicinity of human camps. The wolves that were less shy (so they approached the camps more) and exhibited less aggressiveness (so they would be chased away less) had an evolutionary advantage in that population, and so they bred for those traits. At some point that could have produced a wolf tame enough for people to take notice and try to consciously domesticate and breed them from there, presumably as hunting companions initially (or maybe even that was originally just a natural symbiosis).

    8. Re:which one? by sshir · · Score: 1

      Simple - wolves are useful even in untamed form for defense: put one on a chain (well, rope) to growl at everybody approaching. Then allow captive ones to breed because capture is labor intensive. Then ask your kids who are playing with pups which one to keep (cute, friendly and cuddly of course) . ...and BAM! You've got a dog!

    9. Re:which one? by dwye · · Score: 1

      For a rather leisurely definition of BAM. It took around ten generations for the silver foxes, so I expect that it took a lot more generations for any wolf devoing to produce an acceptable "hound" that could be brought into the camp (after all, the hunters didn't KNOW how to do it before they tried).

    10. Re:which one? by Archimonde · · Score: 1

      Exactly, and wolves lost their 'wolveness' and become what we call today dogs.

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      Trolls are like broken clocks. They show the truth two times a day. The rest of the day they talk nonsense.
    11. Re:which one? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Erm, I don't see much difference between a wolf and a dog.
      The foxes in russia, became like dogs, too. That us what I mean they lost their foxyness ... a dog and a wolf are extremely similar, a domesticated fox and a ferral fox are not, domesticated foxes even bark like dogs.

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  24. I never thought they took Baha Men seriously. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    I mean they have been repeatedly asking who let the dogs out. But I thought no one cared. Looks like there is a scientist who cared. Good for him or her.

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    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  25. Oblig. Joke by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac?

    He stayed up all night wondering if there is a Dog.

  26. GOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DOG came from GOD, mystery solved!

  27. Jepoardy by Rixel · · Score: 1

    Alex, The question is "Who let the dogs out?"

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    Never play chicken with a passive aggressive.
  28. As soon as we found out about their by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Red Rockets

  29. Re:Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by theronb · · Score: 0

    "Your heart is true, you're a friend and a confidant." FTFY Not sure but I don't think any of the elderly ladies was a cosmonaut.

  30. Humans probably kept the less dominant ... by drnb · · Score: 2

    The shy wolf we can discount to a degree, as they didn't come near human settlements all that much. Any inquisitive & aggressive wolf that came close would find itself that night's wolfburger. That leaves inquisitive & friendly as the wolf roaming around human settlements.

    Its not that simple. There is the possibility of acquiring wolves as a pup, so any personality type could grow up around a group of humans and look at these humans as their pack. It actually seems more likely pups were domesticated, they would be more likely to view the humans as their pack than a wild adult wolf.

    Substituting "less dominant" for "shy" and "more dominant" for "aggressive" may be more accurate with respect to personality types. These less dominant wolves were probably the ones who were the easiest to live and interact with, being more inclined to be submissive to a human rather than only being submissive to those humans who physically dominate them. That said, both dominance extremes are entire trainable, will guard the pack, protect children from outsiders, etc.

  31. Re:Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by tnk1 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sophia: Picture this... 1969... Baikonur Cosmodrome. I was snuck into the country by the CIA to infiltrate the Soviet space program. I got close enough to get in the running for First Woman in Space. Valentina Tereshkova beat me out, but I think it was because I'd caught Khrushchev's eye and space and he didn't want me to get killed. Nikita... what a guy.

  32. I'll take my millions of dollars in research funds by swschrad · · Score: 2

    right now. I have the answer.

    dogs come from puppies

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    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
  33. Duh! Same Place babies Come From by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It took science this long to find out where dogs come from? Like, duh, they are made the same way baby humans are.

  34. Re: I'll take my millions of dollars in research f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dog came from a breeder about 30 minutes South of me.

  35. They're aliens by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    The Far Side answered this years ago:

    https://overthehedgeblog.files...

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    Proverbs 21:19
    1. Re:They're aliens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer the NearingZero/LabInitio version http://www.lab-initio.com/screen_res/nz139.jpg

  36. Dogs Flew Spaceships! by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Dogs Flew Spaceships!

    The Aztecs Invented the Vacation!

    Men and Women are the Same Sex!

    Our Forefathers Took Drugs!

    Your Brain Is Not the Boss!

    Yes, that's Right: Everything You Know Is Wrong!!!

    Hello seekers! Here we go again! And hello to the skeptic inside you who might still believe that pigs live in trees, and that faithful Rovers is nothing more than a pet sleeping by the doggie door. Well, doggone it, he's smarter than you'll ever be! Yes, I've got proof here that his ancestors came from the Dog Star millions of years ago to rule the Earth! He's been there - and you probably don't even know where you are...

    -- With much kudos to The Firesign Theatre, 1974

    1. Re:Dogs Flew Spaceships! by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Dogs Flew Spaceships! The Aztecs Invented the Vacation! Men and Women are the Same Sex! Our Forefathers Took Drugs! Your Brain Is Not the Boss! Yes, that's Right: Everything You Know Is Wrong!!! Hello seekers! Here we go again! And hello to the skeptic inside you who might still believe that pigs live in trees, and that faithful Rovers is nothing more than a pet sleeping by the doggie door. Well, doggone it, he's smarter than you'll ever be! Yes, I've got proof here that his ancestors came from the Dog Star millions of years ago to rule the Earth! He's been there - and you probably don't even know where you are... -- With much kudos to The Firesign Theatre, 1974

      "For years researchers have argued over where and when dogs arose."
      Ah yes, the great dog uprising of 02, back in the old country. Let me tell ya, sonny, that was a scary day for anybody with a pocket full of ground beef. The cats didn't come down from the trees for weeks afterwards. Chihuahuas made up a cavalry charge, riding on the backs of Great Danes. All was nearly lost, until the air corps saved us with a mass airdrop of tennis balls.

      --
      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
    2. Re:Dogs Flew Spaceships! by macs4all · · Score: 1

      "For years researchers have argued over where and when dogs arose."

      Ah yes, the great dog uprising of 02, back in the old country. Let me tell ya, sonny, that was a scary day for anybody with a pocket full of ground beef. The cats didn't come down from the trees for weeks afterwards. Chihuahuas made up a cavalry charge, riding on the backs of Great Danes. All was nearly lost, until the air corps saved us with a mass airdrop of tennis balls.

      Truly LOL! Nice synthesis of the TFT Style.

      Proving what Phil Austin said in The Firesign Theatre's Big Book of Plays: "The Firesign Theatre is a technique."

      But like the voice of Christopher Walken, almost anyone can pull off something that sounds a little like Walken; but no one quite gets it right; sometimes not even The 3 (or 4) or 4 (or 5) Crazy Guys...

  37. ya baby! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where b' 'da bitches?

  38. Ignoring the important question ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, I get where they came from but ... Who let the dogs out?

  39. Re:Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by doccus · · Score: 1

    No, really, it's the right word, which was used for one season. I know this because for years now this person has been putting this in first post, and due to all the comments ,frankly I've learned more aboyut the golden girls than I ever wanted to know. Only thing I *don't* know, is why in the world would anyone even bother doing this.. Is their life just soo barren that it's their high point? Maybe we should feel sorry for this first poster...

  40. Re:Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by DedTV · · Score: 1

    Maybe this person is Betty White having a bout of dementia thinking she's really Rose Nylund and that getting enough first posts on Slashdot will get her immortalized as a statue in St. Olaf.....

  41. The Hounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who, let the dogs out? Who, Who, Who...

  42. Re:I'll take my millions of dollars in research fu by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    right now. I have the answer.

    dogs come from puppies

    The daddy dog hits happy hour at the bar one Friday after work, and that turns out to be the night the pups are having a sleepover at their friends' house, so the mommy dog rolls in some nice smelling shit and when Daddy gets home kind of drunk ........

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    Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
  43. Re:I'll take my millions of dollars in research fu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, Mr. (or Ms.) Smartypants... where do PUPPIES come from, huh?

    It's the old Puppy and the Dog problem all over again.

  44. According to Neil deGrasse Tyson... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dog, Neil deGrasse Tyson said in an episode of "Cosmos," domesticated MAN. So the question we must first resolve is how they accomplished THAT, then tackle the bigger question.