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Colors Help Set Body's Internal Clock

First time accepted submitter MakeItGlow writes A new study by researchers from the University of Manchester found that mice use the color of light to set their body clock. The researchers investigated whether color signals from the eyes wound up in the suprachiasmatic nucleus—the part of the brain in vertebrates that keeps time using electrical and chemical signals. From the article: "Scientists have long known about the role light plays in governing circadian rhythms, which synchronize life’s ebb and flow with the 24-hour day. But they weren’t sure how different properties of light, such as color and brightness, contributed to winding up that clock. 'As a sort of common sense notion people have assumed that the clock somehow measures the amount of light in the outside world,' says Tim Brown, a neuroscientist at the University of Manchester in the United Kingdom and an author of the new study. 'Our idea was that it might be doing something more sophisticated than that.'”

52 comments

  1. use color-blindness by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    as a control.

    1. Re:use color-blindness by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      Even if particular colors activate signals in our internal clocks, it's possible that color-blind people adapt to it. It's also possible that color-blindness generally does not target the colors that play an active role.

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    2. Re: use color-blindness by scizo · · Score: 1

      Probably won't work since the rods overlap on the colors they can receive, which is why the colorblind mix up the colors.
      The red rods will pick up certain shades of blue, as will the green rods.

      The blue light, unless a very deep blue, will then activate all three types of rods.

      http://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/types-of-colour-blindness/

  2. so.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they came to the conclusion that blue light makes you feel its dusk and the red/orange light makes you feel like it is noon? who would have thought???

    This is widely known, in fact I use a small app in Android that filters the blue color in the screen after noon, that, avoiding the computer at night and avoiding these bluish fluorescent lamps changed my sleep to the best! Never ever again I had troubles falling asleep.

    1. Re:so.. by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Here is my light setup. http://imgur.com/gallery/kAhfQ

    2. Re:so.. by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is widely known, in fact I use a small app in Android that filters the blue color in the screen after noon,

      f.lux does a similar thing on Windows PCs, in case anyone was interested.

    3. Re:so.. by Falos · · Score: 1

      Upvoted. #49512773 down there too.

      There's plenty of reasons to doubt it, but what have you got to lose? I imagine most of us here have at least minor desync trouble, and night screens may be part of it. And if you're anything like me, you'll try all kinds of crap to try and fix your sleep.

      AC.Falos

    4. Re:so.. by Falos · · Score: 1

      Or maybe I'll forget the fscking checkbox.

    5. Re:so.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll just evolve instead. In fact, I am no longer Anonymous Coward. I am now just Anonymous. Gotta catch'em all

    6. Re:so.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an LED lamp for my desk but otherwise I prefer the soft glow of an incandescent light bulb which can not be purchased any more in my country. The closest I have found is a LED bulb that provides the same "candle glow" of an incandescent light bulb.

  3. F.Lux helps with that on monitors! by schweini · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just in case some slashdotter hasn't hear of it yet:
    The people between the very awesome F.Lux software have been saying this for quite a while, so their great little software adjusts your monitor's color temperature after sunset, and before dawn, to be 'warmer'. Their logic being that the blue components of white light are just unnatural to stare at at night, and mess up our biorythms.
    All sounds a bit esoteric, but I challenge everybody to use F.Lux for a week or so (until you're used to it), and then disable it at e.g. 2am.
    Your eyes will bleed, and you wont understand how people can stare into a super bright white square (the monitor) for hours on end at night.

    1. Re:F.Lux helps with that on monitors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an equivalent on google play (at least) called twilight, for those who like to read a little bit on their phone or tablet in bed. Free app and maybe more customizable than F.lux

    2. Re:F.Lux helps with that on monitors! by slaughts · · Score: 1

      Along these same lines, I use CF.lumen on my Android phone. I does the same thing, making the display warmer at night. Much easier on the eyes.

    3. Re:F.Lux helps with that on monitors! by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      I'm not certain whether using f.lux really improves my sleep (although I'm certainly not complaining if it does). What it does do is make my desktop look more like an object in the room. When a white area on the screen has the same color a white piece of paper would have in the same light that essentially makes using a computer more... immersive. It just feels more natural if the monitor forgoes accurate absolute color representation in favor of more accurate color representation within the context of local light conditions.

      It's definitely one of those "try it, you might like it" things. Either it feels great for you or you toss it.

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    4. Re:F.Lux helps with that on monitors! by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      The concept of sun light being the trigger for sleep/wakeup has been around for centuries but it wasn't an important subject of conversation until recently (I say this because sleep disorders have become a major issue in our society). What this study does it goes further into the inner workings of the brain. We have observed human behavior to light but in depth research has never been done (citation required). This is where this research comes into play. If they can properly map the impact of light on the human brain we can make better adjustment to our environment to maximize our efficiency through applications such as F.lux and who knows what else.

    5. Re:F.Lux helps with that on monitors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Their logic being that the blue components of white light are just unnatural to stare at at night, and mess up our biorythms.

      Except, that's contrary to what the study shows, which is that cooler blue light is needed in the evening.

    6. Re:F.Lux helps with that on monitors! by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I second this. Personally I use Redshift to accomplish the same thing on my PCs, and the simpler Nightfilter on Android (although the latter doesn't automatically adjust based on your latitude and time of day).

      The difference between "night" and day mode is, well, night and day. When I turn if off late at night my eyeballs scream and then heave a sigh of relief when I re-engage it.

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    7. Re:F.Lux helps with that on monitors! by Trogre · · Score: 1

      although the latter doesn't automatically adjust based on your latitude and time of day

      That should read:
      although the latter doesn't automatically adjust based on your latitude, longitude, and time of day

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    8. Re:F.Lux helps with that on monitors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because you're allowing more light total. Most screens have a white backlight passing through an LCD filter. Each pixel has three subelements allowing only red, green or blue light through, in adjustable proportions. A dark red pixel is blocking all photons from the green and blue thirds of the pixel, and most of the red.

  4. Been there, done that. by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll just leave this here:

    http://science.slashdot.org/co...

    Noontime clear-sky sun measures 9500, blue light through office window with indirect daylight is 250, a desk lamp measures 45, and an LCD TV up close measures 7 uW/cm^2 in the frequency range of the retinal ganglia (480 nm) which is thought to be the part of the eye that senses daily cycles. (Mammalian Eye [wikipedia.org] on Wikipedia.)

    So far as I can tell laptops and related devices don't generate an appreciable amount of energy in this range, it's more the artificial indoor lighting.

    As an experiment, I've started wearing red-tinted wrap-around sun glasses 2 hours before bedtime. I can still work, read, watch TV and all that, but the glasses mask off the blue frequencies, telling the brain that the sun has gone down.

    It had an almost immediate effect. I'm a long-time sufferer of insomnia who has tried everything, but wearing the glasses fixed the problem in the first week.

    I'm also a lot more "peppy" during the day, and I wonder if long term exposure to late-night artificial lighting (and low level during the day) is a cause of depression. Depression meds take about 6 weeks to have an effect, so I'm guessing that it would take about 6 weeks for the glasses to have an anti-depressive effect as well. I'm on week 3 with the glasses.

    1. Re:Been there, done that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It had an almost immediate effect. I'm a long-time sufferer of insomnia who has tried everything, but wearing the glasses fixed the problem in the first week.

      Well you would think that, but you're looking at the world through rose-tinted glasses.

    2. Re:Been there, done that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm also a lot more "peppy" during the day, and I wonder if long term exposure to late-night artificial lighting (and low level during the day) is a cause of depression.

      I'd bet its more closely related to getting a good night's sleep.

    3. Re:Been there, done that. by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      Depression meds take about 6 weeks to have an effect, so I'm guessing that it would take about 6 weeks for the glasses to have an anti-depressive effect as well. I'm on week 3 with the glasses.

      That has to be rather large glass of water.

    4. Re:Been there, done that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll just leave this here:

      http://science.slashdot.org/co...

      Noontime clear-sky sun measures 9500, blue light through office window with indirect daylight is 250, a desk lamp measures 45, and an LCD TV up close measures 7 uW/cm^2 in the frequency range of the retinal ganglia (480 nm) which is thought to be the part of the eye that senses daily cycles. (Mammalian Eye [wikipedia.org] on Wikipedia.)

      So far as I can tell laptops and related devices don't generate an appreciable amount of energy in this range, it's more the artificial indoor lighting.

      As an experiment, I've started wearing red-tinted wrap-around sun glasses 2 hours before bedtime. I can still work, read, watch TV and all that, but the glasses mask off the blue frequencies, telling the brain that the sun has gone down.

      It had an almost immediate effect. I'm a long-time sufferer of insomnia who has tried everything, but wearing the glasses fixed the problem in the first week.

      I'm also a lot more "peppy" during the day, and I wonder if long term exposure to late-night artificial lighting (and low level during the day) is a cause of depression. Depression meds take about 6 weeks to have an effect, so I'm guessing that it would take about 6 weeks for the glasses to have an anti-depressive effect as well. I'm on week 3 with the glasses.

      While only an anecdote, my experience is with a new neighbor who install an ungodly bright light that shines into my bedroom. Very white cold light that I just cannot sleep with when it's shining, even with it peeking from around blackout curtains. I turned on a hallway light to offset the effects since it's more indirect and reflects earthtones of my walls. Even though I now sleep in more light, I sleep better.

      FYI, more light doesn't stop burglaries. I've been robbed three times and every time it was during the day. Most robberies happen during the day. Intensly bright lighting around your house actually give more cover to anyone with nefarious plans. Do yourself and your neighbors a favor and turn out those lights.

    5. Re:Been there, done that. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      What glasses do you use? Have a link?

    6. Re:Been there, done that. by Prune · · Score: 1

      Your experiment fails to account for the influence of another well-known effect, which is that perceived color temperature is affected by absolute light intensity. Indoor lighting is almost always orders of magnitude weaker than sunlight, and this is why using lighting matched to actual noon color temperature will look far too blue. This is why advanced light bulbs as used in museums and so on that specifically approximate a sun+sky spectrum (to result in proper color reproduction) are available centered at different color temperatures.

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    7. Re:Been there, done that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did your glasses reduce light intensity significantly too?

    8. Re:Been there, done that. by Sark666 · · Score: 2

      To back this further, see the episode the nature of things called lights out!

      One I interesting bit they noticed nurses working night shifts had a higher rate of breast cancer. This was suspected to be related to their prolonged elevated melatonin due to too long light exposure. Their solution was to give them glasses filtering out blue light while working.

      www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episodes/lights-out

    9. Re:Been there, done that. by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

      Try Laser Safety Goggles from eBay, about $2 each.

  5. Daylight adaptation by MakeItGlow · · Score: 1

    What do think about lights that adapt during the day? Such as: The Sunn Light https://www.kickstarter.com/pr... Lumious https://www.indiegogo.com/proj...

  6. Flux and colour temperature by Twinbee · · Score: 1

    As a result of research like this, I created SunsetScreen to allow the user to change the screen's colour filter to *any* colour, not just a hue along the colour temperature scale. An orange tint is probably good at night for increased melatonin production, but a blue tint may be desirable during the day to increase seratonin.

    I also prefer using it to Flux because you can set the exact time of sunset/sunrise instead of letting the seasons dictate it (4pm sunset in the winter? - thanks but I want the screen a normal colour at that time in the afternoon!).

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    1. Re:Flux and colour temperature by Tomster · · Score: 1

      This looks great, I have similar complaints about Flux. One question, which I didn't see answered in the documentation: Does your app handle multiple monitors?

    2. Re:Flux and colour temperature by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      'Fraid not as yet. If I get enough requests (I've had one so far), then I may implement it.

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    3. Re:Flux and colour temperature by Tomster · · Score: 1

      Yeah that would be great... at the moment my main display says "soothing nighttime" while my laptop screen shouts "midday sun" :). Multiple monitors is becoming more common, and your app fits pretty well with the power user demographic that's likely to have 2+ displays.

      If this feature doesn't scratch an itch for you, perhaps you could try funding it via something like GoFundMe for a little extra in your pocket. Just a thought. Regardless, thanks for the time you've put into it, I'm going to try it for a week or so and see how I like it.

    4. Re:Flux and colour temperature by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      In a way I hope giant 30"-40"+ UHD screens become common so that we can split the screen when needed, or view it as one other times. I have a 32" TV as a monitor and it's great.

      Problem with 2+ monitors is that I can't easily test for it, so I won't know if I have it working or not.

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    5. Re:Flux and colour temperature by Tomster · · Score: 1

      Nice -- I'd love to have a big UHD TV for development. I started with a Commodore 64 and a TV. 320 x 200 resolution.

      Have a look at http://virtualmonitor.github.i... or http://superuser.com/questions... (search for "windows virtual display driver") if you decide to work on the multi-monitor feature.

    6. Re:Flux and colour temperature by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I've asked on Stackoverflow, so maybe someone will reply. Hey, I'll even chuck in a bounty if no one replies.

      If someone replies, I'll give you the honour of testing to see if it works! ;) I presume you've tried and it won't currently work.

      Yes I had a C64 too. I remember with the Amiga 500 thinking 640*512 was a really high res, and 1280*1024 was ridiculously large. Now it's painfully blocky. Mind, most screens are bigger these days, so that can bias one a bit I guess ;)

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    7. Re:Flux and colour temperature by Twinbee · · Score: 1
      Oh I've had a repsonse from Stackoverflow asking:

      Does it do nothing on a machine with two monitors or does it throw an error? Does it only change a single screen? What is the user experience?

      From one of your earlier posts, I presume it just does nothing with the second screen (no error message or anything right?)

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    8. Re:Flux and colour temperature by Tomster · · Score: 1

      I've sent an email to the address on your Skytopia site.

    9. Re:Flux and colour temperature by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Just to check - did you get my latest email? In case you didn't, here's the exe again which should hopefully work with your second monitor:
      http://www.skytopia.com/stuff/...

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  7. Spectrum and diurnal clocks by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Colors are really just spectral bands, UV and IR are just bands beyond human perception (caveat: not all humans, some can see a bit into the UV range).

    In short, if you have things like SAD, increasing the spectra which penetrate in the morning (remember in the dawn the light goes through a large swath of atmosphere, not the small amount at noon) and adding those 1-2 hours before increases your internal body temperature in a manner similar to waking up due to daylight.

    Yes, this works through eyelids (mostly transparent), so setting a clock to turn on high lumen lights (use a cheap timer) will wake you up and allow you to reset your body clock.

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  8. F.Lux helps with that by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    I've used F.Lux and it does everything it says. It's a polite program, I've got no problem with it per-se, but I removed it from my system.

    For one, the sunset transition happens in a couple of seconds, and it's quite noticeable. The speed isn't a problem, nor is the "noticing", but I think a slower sunset might be more effective.

    The bigger issue was "length of day". F.Lux synchronizes to the local length of day (based on your latitude and the current date), so in the winter you're still seeing short days and sunset at 5:00 PM. If you're subject to SAD, then F.Lux won't help with that.

    (But, granted, it does feel good on the eyes when it kicks in.)

    Part of the problem with light therapy is that it doesn't always work, or only works a little, or doesn't work for everyone. As a scientific result, this fairly shouts "not the complete explanation", so I've played around with this a bit to see what's really happening.

    I'm convinced that "length of day" plays a big part in our internal clocks, and things like heavy blue video has an effect. For example, "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" has a lot of blue and is shown late at night. Watch it with red sunglasses and see if you feel more tired/ready to sleep after watching.

    In terms of scientific discoveries, I think there's some low-hanging fruit here. Straightforward hyotheses and studies could be done which would completely characterize the issue, and would point to simple, inexpensive, and drug-free cures to a handful of issues.

    1. Re:F.Lux helps with that by error_logic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually both of those issues are easily fixed! The transition can be changed to 60 minutes instead of a few seconds, and the length of day can be adjusted by giving it a different set of geographic coordinates. I use both of those tricks to customize it. :-)

  9. Stop pointlessly splitting sentences between by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the subject line and the comment proper.

    You're not Horatio Crane, you seven-digit cretin.

  10. These people are on to it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    experience color all around you body and art at the same time

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11511091/Naked-art-lovers-attend-after-hours-tour-of-Australias-national-gallery.html

  11. Works for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I have my blinds down, and the room is completely dark I'm sleeping for 12 hours, not matter if I'm tired or not when going to bed.

    If I leave the blinds up, I'll sleep for 5-7 hours. The sun is up, get your ass up.

  12. Seattle :p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet Seattle keeps replacing orange-y street lights with super bright bluish white lights. Boo!

  13. Blu-blockers in scarce supply on shelves lately.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to be catching on. I wonder if zeroing out the blue channel on my monitors, after dark, does any good..

  14. Animal torturing waste of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More bullshit from so-called 'researchers'. Is the human brain the same as a mouse's brain? Of course not.

    Animal torturers.

  15. f.lux by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    I've been using f.lux on my computer to change the color temperature on my monitor from the standard 6500k down to 3500k at sundown. I've been using it for almost a year and even with caffeine intake, I find myself naturally getting sleepy around 10pm, unlike the usual midnight to 1am time I use to experience.