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Supreme Court Rules Extending Traffic Stop For Dog Sniff Unconstitutional

bmxeroh writes: The Supreme Court ruled today (PDF) that a police officer may not extend a traffic stop beyond the time needed to complete the tasks related to that stop for the purposes of allowing a trained dog to sniff for drugs. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote for the majority (6-3) that police authority "ends when tasks tied to the traffic infraction are — or reasonably should have been — completed." The case, Rodriguez v. United States, 13-9972, all started with Rodriguez was stopped in Nebraska for driving out of his lane. After he was given the ticket for that infraction, he was made to wait an additional seven to eight minutes for a drug dog to arrive which promptly alerted to the presence of drugs in the car. Upon search, the officers found a small bag of methamphetamine in his possession.

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  1. A sane supreme court decision? by Fwipp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To be honest, I figured that it /had/ to be a bad ruling and spent a while trying to understand why it was wrong, just because of how they've been lately. Perhaps I'm just paranoid.

    1. Re:A sane supreme court decision? by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All it will probably do is cause police to take their sweet time writing a citation until the dog gets there.

    2. Re:A sane supreme court decision? by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hmm...actually the ruling is more narrow than that. The Court seems to be saying that if the police officer happens to have a dog on hand right now it can sniff around the car. But it is not reasonable to keep a citizen waiting around for the convenience of the police officer to use every possible implement that comes right up "to the line" of the citizen's rights.

    3. Re:A sane supreme court decision? by TFlan91 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "If you are carrying an illegal substance that a dog can detect without invading your privacy, that's your problem."

      Is it really though?

      Say dogs didn't exist. That we had to invent a tool that acts as a dog's nose. Say this tool had limited mobility, you couldn't bring it everywhere, only to where it was needed.

      What then? Could you not argue that dogs and this invented tool are the same thing?

    4. Re:A sane supreme court decision? by ZombieDonut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then stop speeding excessively. Why pull all this attention onto yourself?

      I accept the consequences of my actions. If I'm speed and get pulled over for a speeding ticket then that's my fault and I'm never rude or defiant.

      It's shit like this that makes me laugh at those who complain about the authorities.

      I don't recall complaining about the authorities, merely their habit of looking for a problem that doesn't exist..

      I'm pretty sure cops really don't give a damn about you or anybody else if they appear clean.

      Whoa there buddy. So you're saying when I'm sober I appear unclean!? That's some straight up prejudice right there.

      They'll get on your case the minute you act like a dick or show signs of criminal activity.

      I'm sure they would, but since I don't "act like a dick" and I'm not a criminal then how do you explain it? Is it my "unclean" ethnicity then? That seems to be what you're implying.

      There's a saying I like: "There's not smoke without fire". Cop sees smoke so they look for the fire.

      When there is no smoke and they insist there is a fire, what then? How can they suspect drugs when there aren't any? Perhaps you should leave the fire detection to the fire department.

    5. Re:A sane supreme court decision? by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Officers can find ways to bring criminal complaints if they want. I was once pulled over for supposedly squealing tires and was issued a misdemeanor citation rather than a civil traffic citation because the officer had a bug up his ass. Even the prosecutor felt it was a waste of his time, so it got dismissed. Thankfully it resulted in citation with a requirement to appear rather than arrest, but either way the officer had a choice in how he handled the situation and he chose to be a dick.

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    6. Re:A sane supreme court decision? by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about prove in a court of law, beyond a reasonable doubt that the dog was triggered by a specific drug and not by the scent of yesterdays hamburger purchased at a drive through or purposefully triggered by law enforcement seeking to keep up quotas by guessing who is guilty and who is not. Now that would be interesting witness testimony woof woof.

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  2. Re:ok but by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your rights on line is a catch all for .. well, your legal rights.

    Maybe you don't care, but many of us actually do care that law enforcement has been shitting on the Constitution for years and deciding the law is what they say it is.

    Police offices these days are crooks who reinterpret the law as they choose. And it's about time it became acknowledged that it's not how it is supposed to be. Police who are doing these things should be fired without a pension, and criminally charged.

    You may not give a shit about your 4th amendment rights, but other people do.

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  3. 3 dissenting opinions. by gatfirls · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...in a pretty blatant violation of the 4th. Pretty scary even though the case was won.

    IANAL but from what I gather is basically the dissent is that the violation of the 4th isn't that *unreasonable* so it's ok.

    (not to mention drug dogs are complete BS anyway)

  4. Re:I don't get it by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's unreasonable search.

    Say you get pulled over for a busted tail light, and the cop notices a corpse in your back seat. That's OK.

    Say he says 'Ho-lee sheeeit, smells like dead body. Pop your trunk open.' And hey, there's a dead body in the trunk. That's OK.

    But he can't say 'I done pulled you over for a busted tail light, but I'mma search your car for a corpse, even though I have no reason to believe there's any corpses.' Not reasonable.

    Now, this guy gets pulled over for lane swerve. Fine. Cop can sniff his breath, look for signs of intoxication. Cop can eyeball the seats through the window, the ashtray, looking for booze bottles, roaches, whatever. But he can't say 'I have no real reason to, but I'm turning this traffic stop into a drug stop, *but first I need to call in extra equipment.* That's unreasonable.

    If he'd happened to have had the dog with him, and decided to have the dog give the car a once-over, fine. Although I question the validity of dog searches; we know that animals can pick up on clues to what their owners want. See the Clever Hans phenomena. If the cop wants to search the car, the dog might just pick up on that and alert.

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  5. Re:Drug dogs by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The dogs are demonstrably a placebo that "triggers" when the handling cop signals the dog to do so.

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  6. It's the "Clever Hans" effect by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm too lazy to add anchor tags, but here are some references for you.

    The UCDavis study is the best description of this -- when actually tested in scenarios designed to expose false positive results, that's EXACTLY what happened -- the dogs alerted in every place they shouldn't have and where the handler was given cues that the dogs would alert, the dogs were MORE likely to alert.

    This is a huge problem with using dogs. It's not that dogs aren't good at sniff detection, its that dogs are so inclined to please their handlers that even when the handlers aren't purposefully lying they are still signaling their dogs that they should find something. So how do you separate out the dog actually sniffing out drugs versus the experienced profiling of the handler who expects their target to have drugs, gets a false alert from the dog and then discovers drugs from a hand search?

    I don't think we CAN know if it was a legitimate signal from the dog or just the officer's experience that $Socialtype or $MinorityMember is very likely to have drugs.

    It gets much, much worse if you take away the assumption that the cops/handler are 100% honest all the time. Do you really think that there isn't even some deliberate dishonesty with dogs? The worst outcome for the cops has been "well, the dog knows you had something in here but since I didn't find anything I'll let you go". The best outcome for the cops is that they get away with an illegal search that results in an arrest and conviction based on a dog's behavior that is beyond question, because, you know, dogs are so good at sniffing and its "a well established tool in our legal system and for good reason."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

    http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/w...

    http://www.cato.org/blog/cleve...

  7. Already the Law by Etherwalk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This was *already* the law, from a Supreme Court Case in 2005. Some of the lower courts had just messed it up by not following it--basically saying that a couple of minutes is okay and doesn't really count.

    SCOTUS just benchslapped them, although politely. This is one of those "No, we actually meant what we said, now stop being so pro-law-enforcement that you read this out of the law. Yes. They're criminals. But there's still a Constitution, and you have to follow it."