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'Aaron's Law' Introduced To Curb Overzealous Prosecutions For Computer Crimes

SonicSpike writes: Sens. Rand Paul (R-KY) and Ron Wyden (D-OR), and Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) introduced bipartisan legislation today to better target serious criminals and curb overzealous prosecutions for non-malicious computer and Internet offenses.

The legislation, inspired by the late Internet innovator and activist Aaron Swartz, who faced up to 35 years in prison for an act of civil disobedience, would reform the quarter-century old Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) to better reflect computer and internet activities in the digital age. Numerous and recent instances of heavy-handed prosecutions for non-malicious computer crimes have raised serious questions as to how the law treats violations of terms of service, employer agreements and website notices.

"Aaron’s Law would change the definition of 'access without authorization' in the CFAA so it more directly applies to malicious hacks such as sending fraudulent emails, injecting malware, installing viruses or overwhelming a website with traffic."

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  1. narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    who faced up to 35 years in prison for an act of civil disobedience... he was offered a 6 month sentence if he would plead guilty. 35 years was the "street value" of his sentence. He killed himself rather than serve 6 months.

    1. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Plea bargaining is a disgusting practice that should be abolished.

    2. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're angry at him for being stronger than you. That's right, the suicide had more courage and moral fortitude than you ever will or can. You have admitted it, and you will never stop repeating that admission.

    3. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plea bargaining is merely a symptom of having entirely too many laws such that almost everyone is guilty of something and far, far, too many laws that make illegal that which has no business being illegal. If you made plea deals illegal, the court system would be so backed up that it might take years to go to court over something as minor as a traffic violation.

      If you want to get rid of plea bargaining you're better off getting rid of the vast majority of vice crimes. The court load would drop to the point where it's no longer necessary to offer these kind of deals in the interest of keeping things moving.

    4. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When Plea Bargains constitute something like over 90% of all sentences imposed, you know something is grossly wrong. Plea Bargaining is being used as an end run around having to grant people their Seventh Amendment rights. Sure, you can demand a trial, but if you do, we're going to throw every possible charge at you in a grossly disproportionate manner, in a trial you're probably not likely to win, especially if you're poor. Aaron actually had good legal representation, but the vast majority of criminal defendants don't.

    5. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      he was offered a 6 month sentence if he would plead guilty.

      Oh yes, that's how it works today in Amerika! "We don't give a shit what you did, but YOU MUST BE GUILTY." All you fascists get a sexual thrill from that all-important admission of guilt. You just love how, once somebody gets in your clutches, you can fuck up their entire life by disenfranchising them, disarming them, and eliminating the possibility of them ever getting a decent job. And it's "only a six month sentence." Six months, my ass!

      Six months is just as unjust as a goddamn death sentence when you've DONE NOTHING WRONG!

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    6. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A mere six months in a prison operated by a government that wants to make an example of you? Gee, I can't imagine why he was unwilling to get raped and murdered by another inmate instead of killing himself.

      Now fuck off and go polish your jackboots.

      -jcr

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    7. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, the plea bargaining is the result of the criminal justice system being run by a bunch of sociopaths

      ... and if you back up one more level, the reason for that is a system that rewards prosecutors for "number of convictions" rather than "number of convictions of people that are actually guilty".

    8. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If one is that concerned about having a criminal record one should refrain from committing crimes. All he had to do was write a short post on his blog to call attention to whatever issue it was that was bothering him. Instead he broke into a server room, installed a computer, and illegally downloaded thousands of documents. I think 6 months and a criminal record is about right for that sort of thing.

      Give me a break. There was no "locked server room" - he entered an unlocked wiring closet. The computer he "installed" was a laptop he set on a shelf (near the property of a homeless man, who was using that wiring closet to store things). He then downloaded documents that it was perfectly legal for him to download - he just automated the process so that he was downloading them a heck of a lot faster than the JSTOR people were expecting.

      So at most he was actually guilty of misdemeanor breaking and entering (and I'd be willing to argue that one, since the closet wasn't actually secured in any way), and maybe some civil copyright infringement if he posted the JSTOR documents for others.

      6 months and a felony conviction was *way* too much for his actual offenses.

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    9. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      The obvious immediate change in the system required is that prosecutors should no longer be allowed to referred to the sentence in any way. They merely prosecute the claimed crimes and should they prove their case's, the judge and jury decide the penalty as relates to each crime that was effectively prosecuted. Also to ensure the guilty does not go free (people tend to forget that part when an innocent person is penalised) that the prosecution always be required to prove guilt regardless of plea. Ensuring the guilty do not get away with crimes is the whole point of the legal justice system and they must prove that when a crime was committed that the guilty party be prosecuted and steps taken to prevent them from committing further crimes. Greed has corrupted the system.

      The problem with writing extremely complex rules to more accurately define particular crimes, is they allow lawyers to distort those interpretations and the guilty go free. So you attempt to assign a value to the harm as defining the penalty and they immediately then grossly distort the claims of harm to inflate the case. Attempt to use number of criminal acts and again thanks to the nature of computers, then can grossly distort the number of criminal acts and inflate the case.

      The core problem seems to be the basic implementation of principles of justice. The public expects justice to be neutral and be applied fairly and equally. The adversarial system and idiotic performance quota distorts justice from being fair and equal, to an assumption guilt regardless of constitutional intent and that intent being a direct result of people using the justice system to persecute people and falsely prosecute them.

      Every claim by the prosecution must be proven, the defendant should only offer no contest and only plea at the end of the prosecutorial case once all evidence has been submitted for judicial review and the defendant has been forced to publicly sit through and that all parties can see justice prevail, in it's investigation and proper prosecution. Confessions and guilty pleas have always been an anathema to public justice especially when combined with legalised torture as in the case of the US in-Justice System (still no prosecutions for that high crime).

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    10. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is also that the District Attorney is the one who chooses to charge someone with a crime or crimes. Grand Juries are no help - as has been noted many times before, they're entirely ineffective as a check on the DA. Also, the DA generally does not impose or choose the sentence - they merely recommend to the judge, who generally accepts that recommendation. So, the way it works is that the DA loads up the list of charges, then offers to drop most of them if you plead to one or two.

      The core problem is one of perverse incentives, because we reward DAs and prosecutors not for seeing justice done, but for winning cases, regardless of whether an innocent or guilty person was locked away. They're incentivized to lock away lots of people, so they can seek higher office of some sort. At the same time, they're immunized from legal retribution for even some of the grossest, most deliberate legal misconduct, including stuff that goes far beyond any of this, like deliberately concealing evidence that an accused is innocent.

    11. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And has absolutely no disincentive for "number of convictions of people who are actually innocent."

      That's the crux of the problem with our "justice" system -- neither side has an incentive to seek a just outcome. Judges basically just make sure everyone's name is on their paper and that nobody colors outside the lines.

    12. Re:narcissistic spectrum personality disorder by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      He concealed what he was doing, which suggests he knew that he was doing something with the network that the owners and administrators of the network didn't want to happen (It wasn't even a network he had formal access to, but rather a network that had very loose security). He also DOS'd the site he was downloading papers from, and that hindered innocent people in their work. I suggest that is and should be illegal. Had he lowered the rate of requests to the point of background noise, his project would have taken longer, but I doubt anybody would have noticed or cared.

      I think a misdemeanor charge is about right for the DOS.

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  2. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're a fucking moron. How does "access without authorization" warrant a 35 year sentence? Rapists and murderers get less than that. That's the whole problem here. Fuck you.

  3. We need a law against overzealous prosecutors by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Period

    Hacking is relatively benign compared to the damage a prosecutor with an agenda can do. The latest round of these travesties is now going on in Wisconsin http://www.wsj.com/articles/ri... , It seems we get these popping up about once a year lately and it's been accelerating.

    1. Re:We need a law against overzealous prosecutors by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nice way to use a real issue to push you political agenda. Wall Street Journal, the new Fox News for the criminally insane.

      So your response, trial of public opinion driven by the Wall Street Journal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org], owned by the Fox not-News blatant propagandists. Pointless links to Fox not-News as a source of truth are pointless links

      The two of you just get back from the Hitler Youth Camp, or did you just attend the same seminar for junior thought police ?

  4. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by vux984 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Access without authorization" is best defined as, well, access without authorization.

    Intent is frequently considered in the prosecution of crime. And evidence of intent can and should dramatically change the sentencing.

    If I come home and find a note that my lock is weak pasted to my fridge, and my home otherwise undisturbed that's one thing. (And the perpetrator should be caught and punished.)

    But If I come home and find you busily listing all my stuff on craigslist, while you arrange it all at the door for people to come pick up... Even if a sale hasn't actually been completed and nothing is actually missing yet.

    It's still something else entirely, and we both know it.

  5. Here's a writeup about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    What and why he did it.

    I am currently doing some research and I can't you how many times I run across a paper that would be perfect or to see that I buy it or I could "rent" it for $$$ for 48 hours. If the author got a piece of it, then I could possibly stomach it, but they don't. And when you have to read dozens of papers, it could easily cost you thousands of dollars to research something that you won't see a single dime in income.

    I once met an author/professor who wrote a case study for the Harvard Business School. He says they don't get paid. Harvard has no problem charging big bucks for those things.

    Aron had a real point about the absurd pricing of journals and academic papers.

  6. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He was charged with 35 years, so you don't know what he would have received. That's what the prosecutor wanted. A system which threatens minor crimes with draconian punishment needs to be reformed. As for you, I hope some cop shoots you.

  7. WhyStopThere by pubwvj · · Score: 2

    Why stop at "over" zealous?
    Zealotry should also be stopped.

  8. Re:Amazing... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you've followed US politics over the past few years, it's not surprising at all. Rand is the only Republican that groks IT at all. If he wasn't also in the Koch's pocket, he would be the perfect candidate. He's still far better than Hillary "what email server?" Clinton...why the Republicans won't actually nominate him I'll never understand. He would pull conservative Democrats to him, and is a positive force for both Libertarians and Progressive Republicans (in the vein of Eisenhower). He's spoken out against the NSA, against drones, He's an actual MD. He voted against extending the PATRIOT Act.

    My main issue is he's too anti-government, and wants to cut into the Department of Education, and is way too "pro-life". But weighing these against his positives, we'll not find another candidate who scores better. Of course the Republicans will give the nomination to someone else; someone who is more in-line with the $$$ and is a war-mongering corporate shill instead. And when they do, Hillary will sweep this election...it's almost like the Republicans like loosing on purpose.

  9. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Yes. Intent is an essential consideration when sentencing, but not so much to the guilt or innocent phase of the trial.

    Since it occurred at MIT, the bastion of clever hacking, it's fairly likely Aaron never imagined his hacktivities would be treated criminally, let alone get to a zealous prosecutor. IIRC, the most egregious prior transgressions were charged with trespassing and little else.

    Sure. He was ill equipped to handle the fallout of being made an example of. It probably never happened to him before. To be fair though, his response was as big an overreaction as that of the prosecutor.

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  10. Re:Amazing... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

    My main issue is he's too anti-government, and wants to cut into the Department of Education, and is way too "pro-life".

    I find myself wondering how much of his "pro-life" schtick is genuine, and how much is pandering in hopes of winning the primary. This is one instance where I hope it's pandering.

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  11. A Travesty by wisnoskij · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is truly a travesty that a privileged asshole like Aaron who was handled with kiddy gloves all the way through gets this kind of credit, when there are numerous well documented cases of the actual overzealous persecution in the computer hacking world and beyond. People who were put into prison for decades, people who had the prosecuter lie and fake evidence, people who were unconstitutionally confined to solitary for months at a time.

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  12. Re: lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by jd2112 · · Score: 2

    Why not? Isn't it like shrinkwrap licences on software where you can't review the terms until you've agreed to them?

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  13. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Dragon+Bait · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he wouldn't have received 35 years, then why the hell were they threatening it? This stuff affects people, guilty or innocent. They should be required to determine a reasonable set of charges and stick with it - they're the experts, and having them act as henchmen is demeaning to the process of justice.

    Unfortunately, that's not how the current system works. The current system is designed to avoid expensive, nasty trials where someone might actually have to work to put someone behind bars. The current system has the D.A. pile on as many charges as she can remotely sound plausible to scare the defendant into plea bargaining regardless of their guilt or innocence.

    Someone I know recently had this happen. 95 different charges were made with effectively "You'll never see the light of day again" thrown at him. His fist (incompetent) lawyer said "you better take the deal for 5 years." His second (competent) lawyer got a plea down to a misdemeanor, time served, and parole.

    It's probably good to remember we don't have a justice system, but a legal system. Justice has next to nothing to do with it except by unexpected coincidence.

  14. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're a fucking moron. How does "access without authorization" warrant a 35 year sentence?

    I can't believe that after all these years there are still people who believe that Swartz faced a 35 year sentence. He did not. The algorithm the DoJ uses to get a number to trumpet in a press release ignores the rules of sentencing, and in all but the simplest of cases gives a wildly inflated number. There are two main factors that the press release algorithm ignores.

    First, there is a range of possible sentences for a given crime. Where a particular instance falls on that range depends on the severity of that instance. To get the maximum, you have to have done a lot of damage, be a repeat offender, and so on. The prosecutors in the indictment were not alleging the various factors necessary to push Swartz up to the high end on any of the counts.

    For the press release, they do not consider this. So if a crime might result in 1 year for someone who caused under $5k damages, and 10 years for someone who caused over $100k in damages, they will count it as 10 years in the press release, even if they are only alleging that the defendant caused $1k damages.

    Second, federal crimes are divided into groups, and when one particular act leads to multiple charges from the same group, you will only be sentenced for one crime from the group even if convicted for all of them.

    In the press release, they just add up the maximum sentences for each charge, completely ignoring the grouping.

  15. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by David_Hart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If he wouldn't have received 35 years, then why the hell were they threatening it? This stuff affects people, guilty or innocent. They should be required to determine a reasonable set of charges and stick with it - they're the experts, and having them act as henchmen is demeaning to the process of justice.

    Unfortunately, that's not how the current system works. The current system is designed to avoid expensive, nasty trials where someone might actually have to work to put someone behind bars. The current system has the D.A. pile on as many charges as she can remotely sound plausible to scare the defendant into plea bargaining regardless of their guilt or innocence.

    Someone I know recently had this happen. 95 different charges were made with effectively "You'll never see the light of day again" thrown at him. His fist (incompetent) lawyer said "you better take the deal for 5 years." His second (competent) lawyer got a plea down to a misdemeanor, time served, and parole.

    It's probably good to remember we don't have a justice system, but a legal system. Justice has next to nothing to do with it except by unexpected coincidence.

    We do have a justice system, but only if you can afford it. If you can't, then you get caught up in the legal system....

  16. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by farble1670 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't believe that after all these years there are still people who believe that Swartz faced a 35 year sentence. He did not.

    ^^^ this. and mr. swartz most certainly knew that also. as another post stated, he was likely to get somewhere between a few months and a few years. after which he'd be a folk hero and have his choice of employment or continued studies.

  17. Re: lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Intent is often very important to the guilt phase of a trial, depending on the offense involved.

    Homicide is one of the clearest examples, going from first degree murder, to manslaughter, to negligent homicide, depending of the jurisdiction.

    But it can come up in other situations, for example, you can find many states will accept a defense of life endangerment for speeding.

  18. Jesus fucking Christ on Roller Skates by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm so tired of seeing people masterbating over chances to honor Aaron Swartz I wish I could vomit on the laps of these political idiots. Yeah, the prosecution was heavy handed but that completely overlooks the fact that Swartz broke the fucking law and was a total idiot about it. He had the constitutional right to defend himself in court and face his accusers. He did not, however, have any constitutional right to enter the wiring closet at the library and interfere with other peoples' ability to use library resources just to further his agenda.

    I even agree that the papers should be accessible. But I do not agree with his methods. He could have downloaded all these papers from his own desk instead, but he had to make it into performance art and go enter the library wiring closet. And don't use the fact that the door was not properly locked as a defense, either - no reasonable person would have assumed that a wiring closet was intentionally left unlocked so people could monopolize library bandwidth at their leisure.

    In short, let the dead kid lay dead. He doesn't deserve any honors. He didn't deserve the ones he has already been given and doesn't deserve any additional ones either. He was a fool and a coward to boot.

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    1. Re:Jesus fucking Christ on Roller Skates by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > I even agree that the papers should be accessible.

      The papers are accessible. It's the extensive organization and indexing, which takes time and research and developers and databases to produce, that make JSTOR so useful and with Aaron Schrwartz was replicating wholesale. JSTOR is a non-profit, doing their level best to make the information as widely available as possible. They're generous with free subscriptions for libraries and schools with fiscal issues, and many if not most of their subscribers allow free individual access, to non-members, with JSTOR's blessing.

    2. Re:Jesus fucking Christ on Roller Skates by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, the prosecution was heavy handed but that completely overlooks the fact that Swartz broke the fucking law and was a total idiot about it.

      That completely overlooks the fact that threatening a young man with 35 years in prison is going to put unbearable stress on him. We see it all the time, for example in the UK where many innocent people committed suicide over accusations of paedophilia that came about because the police were both lazy in their investigation and heavy handed in their prosecution.

      Honouring him isn't so much about what he did or who he was, it's about saying that prosecutors throwing the book at people and causing them to become suicidal is not justice. He didn't deserve to die for what he did, or to go to jail for 35 years. In reality he might have got six months tops, for what basically amounts to civil copyright infringement, but the prosecutor went nuts and his death is the entirely unacceptable result.

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    3. Re:Jesus fucking Christ on Roller Skates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but that completely overlooks the fact that Swartz broke the fucking law and was a total idiot about it

      Yeah! He's just like those jaywalkers. They should be shot. All of them. And those people who litter. Hanging's too good for them I say, but I guess it would be too expensive to really give them what they deserve. Don't forget those people who are driving above the speed limit. They should have their car seized and confiscated, at a minimum. The law is the law, and if you are accused of breaking it you are a dirty criminal who deserves what's coming to you.

  19. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Dragon+Bait · · Score: 2

    We do have a justice system, but only if you can afford it. If you can't, then you get caught up in the legal system....

    I respectfully disagree. The person that I know who got off with the misdemeanor, time served, and parole destroyed two lives in the process of committing his crime. I would be really hard pressed to say that justice was served with the light sentence that he received.

    One of the victims (I have the joy of knowing both perp and victims) is constantly, angrily pointing out that the life of the person who attacked her is now completely back to normal while hers and the other victim are still dealing with the aftermath of the crime.

    Perhaps justice is a myth.

  20. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps true, but he threatened a much longer term to get the plea. Legal intimidation.

  21. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are many factors that should be taken into account in sentencing. The risk of reoffending, difficulty of rehabilitation, the extent to which the sentence acts to dissuade others from carrying out the same crime. Satisfying the victim's desire for vengence is not one of these. Punishment for punishment's sake is not justice, however much it makes people feel better.

  22. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    The prosecution can just borrow the RIAA's accountants.

  23. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What does punishment achieve? Makes people feel a bit better? The crime has been done: The focus of the justice system should be on minimizing future crimes, and punishment should be regarded only as a tool towards that end. Not a means to satisfy some perverse public desire to see others suffer so they can feel like some scales have been balanced.

  24. Re:Amazing... by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

    Being genuinely "anti-war" during a period of international strife isn't necessarily a wise position. Had the North capitulated to the demands of the South, would the US still be a nation with slavery? Where would the world be today if FDR had been anti-war and shrugged off the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor? Much of the British population was so opposed to war that it delayed Britains rearmament prior to WW2, which almost brought it to ruin. Had the Nazis met resistance in remilitarizing the Rhineland it might very well have prevented much grief later. More than one foreign leader has made the mistake of believing the US response would be weak if the US was attacked, including the Japanese and Bin Laden. Being weak in a world of predators such as them invites attack. It is generally a good thing to avoid war if possible, but not every war is avoidable.

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  25. Re:Aaron Swartz would still be alive by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, because it would be 2009.

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  26. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

    The internet existed in 1983, and was spreading quickly in 1986. Computer crime has existed since at least the 1960s. How could you imagine that hostile foreign governments and other bad actors didn't obain Top Secret US intelligence information via Snowden since it was published in newspapers while the US is engaged in armed conflict and confronting various threats to NATO and other allies?

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  27. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by wienerschnizzel · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are grossly misrepresenting the problem. The fact is that Schwartz was facing 13 federal felony counts in the indictment. That's nothing you can just wave off as a minor inconvenience.

    Even if he had pleaded guilty and the prosecutor only sought a two year sentence overall, the sentencing would be at the discretion of the judge - the prosecutor can only recommend things. And judges have proven to a) be prone to displays of political show-offs of being "hard on crime" and b) have a poor understanding of the real severity of technology-related crimes. That means to a judge without tech understanding (which is most of them) a one year sentence pro federal felony served consecutively might seem lenient and 2-5 years pro felony might seem as a "good message to digital criminals"

    Aaron Schwartz was facing a threat much more serious than you make it out to be

  28. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't believe that when you're charged with a crime with a 35 year sentence possible because of stacking, you think you're not facing up to 35 years in prison.

    Did you fail at maths even to the level of recognising numbers being identical???

    See the recent case of a judge sentencing teachers to over a decade in prison for helping students cheat at exams.

  29. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The internet existed in 1983, and was spreading quickly in 1986.

    Yeah, in the sense that it exploded in usage from 0.01% to 0.04% of the American population. The Internet was not on anyone's radar outside of specific groups in the military, scientific, and academic communities.

  30. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This.

    When you strip away all the pretty philosophy about what it "ought" to do, a justice system fundamentally exists to prevent people from retaliating personally against others who commit criminal acts against them. Since most people don't have the means or inclination to e.g. lock up someone who has stolen from them for a couple of months, the only practical retribution where a justice system does not exist, or is inadequate, is physical violence.

    The contract is: the State provides for fair prosecution and punishment, and the People agree not to take matters into their own hands to "balance the scales". This precludes victims from having to resort to violence, and protects criminals from punishment out of proportion to their crimes. A necessary part of this equation is that the punishment be perceived as sufficiently severe in relation to the nature of the crime; otherwise, victims will resort to vigilantism, and the contract falls apart.

  31. Re: lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Bob+Gelumph · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He was offered that deal in exchange for pleading guilty. If he exercised his right to a trial, he would have gotten some other amount not capped at 6 months.

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  32. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by CarbonShell · · Score: 2

    Well it was the hight of Wikileaks and the trial could have lasted to the Manning and Snowden incidents, so it would be reasonable to imagine they might have wanted to make an example. If the DOJ is on your arse, you can presume they will do ANYTHING to get a conviction. Not like they have such crazy concepts like moral or rule of law to guide them.

  33. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by monkeyzoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're a fucking moron. How does "access without authorization" warrant a 35 year sentence? Rapists and murderers get less than that. That's the whole problem here. Fuck you.

    +1
    Under our laws, violating a trivial TOS has no statute of limitations and penalties more severe than anything but treason or first degree murder. It is completely F*ed up!

  34. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    No one in 1983 outside of a few academics in collegiate CS departments had any idea what the Internet was, and it sure as hell wasn't "spreading quickly" unless perhaps you mean that some more college CS departments were getting connected. It was completely unknown to the general US public until 1988 or 89, when Kevin Mitnick made the national news for his worm and the newscasters had to explain to everyone what the Internet was and why his crime was a crime. Even then, people forgot about it pretty quickly. It didn't really become part of the national consciousness until around 1994 when AOL got on the internet and we had the Eternal September, and then it became commercialized in the Dot-Com boom.

  35. Re:lol, Rand sucking up to the dorks by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    How about reparations of some sort? I'm not a big fan of vengeance, but in this case a person did a bad thing and got off easier than his victims. If, as a condition of parole, the guy was ordered to do something to help his victims (I'm not sure what, but the fact that he got a second and competent lawyer suggests he has some money), it would seem more just. Maybe assign him his victims' medical expenses?

    One of the ancient ideas behind some sort of justice system has been to arrive at a settlement people can live with, even if they aren't real happy about it. The modern justice system ignores that.

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes