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Music Industry Argues Works Entering Public Domain Are Not In Public Interest

An anonymous reader writes: With news that Canada intends to extend the term of copyright for sound recordings and performers, the recording industry is now pushing the change by arguing that works entering the public domain is not in the public interest. It is hard to see how anyone can credibly claim that works are "lost" to the public domain and that the public interest in not served by increased public access, but if anyone would make the claim, it would be the recording industry.

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  1. Something to see behind the curtain? by ravyne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know the details of what Canada is doing, but often when it comes to IP enforcement changes around the world, the United States IP lobbies are somewhere in the shadows. Doesn't take much arm-twisting, just a 'gentle' reminder that future trade negotiations will look unfavorably on those who don't uphold IP similarly to the US.

    1. Re:Something to see behind the curtain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The current conservative canadian government is, like recent surges in conservative governments in western nations around the world, largely adherent to the US republican ideology of complete subservience to the vested elite.

    2. Re:Something to see behind the curtain? by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I agree with a portion of your statement I have to point out that there is no restriction to a "republican ideology". Democrats are on the same exact team.

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  2. Good by Trogre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now can someone please publish the counter-argument, that Copyright is not in the Public Interest.

    Shall we compare them side by side?

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    1. Re:Good by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, if it's in the public domain, there is no monetary incentive to locate, digitize, and restore such a film. It either sits in a vault somewhere, decomposing (maybe even on nitrate film - egad!), or maybe it was transferred onto videotape before its copyright expired.

      Counter argument: if the copyright holder felt that there was money to be made by transferring to another medium and selling, it would have already happened.

      Instead, all those nitrate copies are locked away and will either burn or decompose. Many of those old movies have copies lurking away, open to non-copyright holders if they had the right to make updated copies and release them. But copyright prevents this.

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    2. Re:Good by G-forze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You didn't address the counter argument though.

      If copyright gave an incentive to keep these works in circulation then they would not be presently rotting away anywhere, they would be widely available. But they aren't. So the existing lengthy copyright regime is currently is doing exactly the opposite of what you argued would happen.

      Add to this, that if the movies were in public domain, *anyone* with an interest - monetary or otherwise - could do the digitization and restoration. This could be some other company, some silent movie buff society, or a museum or archive.

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  3. Re:Because the public must PAY! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    each time I read about the recording industry pulling another fast one, it only encourages me to be bolder and download even MORE 'content'.

    I now refuse to buy movies or music. and I can well afford it, but I simply refuse. because I can - the same reason they keep breaking their promises and agreements with us, the consumers.

    they can, and we can. they don't care, so why should we?

    just give up buying and paying. the bastards are just not worth supporting. too bad about the artists, but they never got all that much, anyway; its the rare performer that really gets rich. most are stiffed by the industry.

    seriously - why should anyone follow laws when the big guys always ALWAYS get off scot-free and break rules without the slightest bit of care?

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  4. I'll be Bach by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look how bad things went with Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven works. Shouldda let Disney own their notes.

  5. The reasoning is simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By retaining copyrights, the recording industry can limit availability to older works. By limiting availability, they can drive consumer interest perpetually towards newer works. This ensures that there is consistent demand for new music from new artists, which further ensures that new music is continually created, which is good for everyone.

    The fact that most of this new music is just rehashed variants of the old music which is no longer on the shelves is irrelevant. The fact that the money going to new artists, in this scenario, represents money that is NOT going to old artists that are still alive, is also irrelevant. The fact that the limits on availability often results in the permanent loss of important cultural artifacts is also irrelevant. The fact that people want the old music is also not relevant. And, lastly, the fact that all of this drives people to illegal file sharing networks is the least relevant bit of all.

    1. Re:The reasoning is simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Different AC here:

      Music is not fungible. You cannot trade two Justin Bieber CDs for a Beatles album. You cannot trade a Ke$ha MP3 group for Dark Side of the Moon. Music that is popular is not by signed bands; it is by bands that are built from scratch by the labels with a squad of psychologists and marketing types writing every line of a sing, then hiring good looking musicians who can follow in lock-step, sing, and obey orders.

      The problem is that the music industry is killing itself. Yes, it can squeeze out more from each band it promos... but between streaming, piracy, existing music collections, and many other sources, people are starting to go elsewhere for their music fix... and discovering bands that were footnotes in musical history before. In fact, the entire hipster craze was about finding bands like Neutral Milk Hotel and feeling superior because they know an esoteric band.

      The ironic thing is that I was wondering when there would be news about the industry and its tactics.

      Of course, there is one thing that will turn things around:

      Between jailbreak-proof devices and consoles with a 0% piracy rate, it shows that when there is no piracy, costs shoot up. Back in the Apple 2 days, we were constantly chided for piracy and how software costs would be insanely cheap once piracy was stopped... however, look at consoles now... what used to be a $50-60 game is now a multiple C-note game just to download the DLC pieces which were normally included with the game in the first place.

      So, if there is some law passed mandating DRM stacks, we can see that happening with music as well. Streaming services will go the way of the dodo, and we will be paying $20-$25 per album again... albums with limited plays and locked to the MP3 player or computer, just as in the days of OpenMG and ATRAC3/LiquidAudio devices.

  6. Re:Protect the income of the creators or they can' by Tokolosh · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If it were not for copyright, Disney would not have to rehash the same shit over and over, but would be forced into some creativity. Star Wars, anyone?

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  7. Re:Oh Really? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is there any work that is over 50 years old that still brings in big money?

    Come on, you really can't think of any music from the 1950's and '60s that's still bringing in money? Who was that truckdriver from Tennessee with the swivel hips and pouty lips? I think his catalog still makes a bit of money and just about all of his biggest hits were more than 50 years ago. When the Etta James hit "At Last" is used in a Mercedes commercial, or in a popular movie, cash registers are ringing for somebody, but certainly not for anyone who had anything to do with making the music.

    The first handful of Beatle albums were more than 50 years ago. Hell, Miles Davis' Kind of Blue still sells pretty steady and that was what, 1959?

    The most egregious part of this entire saga is how works that were already in the public domain - movies, music, books - are being removed from public domain. This is why you're seeing so many great old movies removed from Netflix. It's shameful and it's hurting both future generations and the current state of the art.

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  8. You got it all backwards ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, file sharing networks is THE goddam most relevant bit of all. THAT's what all this is about. The digitization of IP blew up the revenue stream, and it will continue to do so.

    What happened is, all IP looks the same in binary form. That means the tools that manipulate one, manipulates all.

    You have those tools. I have those tools. The government has those tools. The IP industries have those tools. Every country on the planet has those tools.

    Essentially overnight, IP is in the public domain, not by law, but by lack of friction. Digital IP is slicker'n mockingbird shit on a sycamore limb. To rephrase for Texans: It's slicker'n deer guts on a door knob.

    File sharing networks have no problem dragging copies from here to there, to everywhere.

    That's all we need to know. This is not your father's IP world.

    The entertainment business has been making way too much for way too long. Those days are over and there's no going back.

    What we're hearing from IP interests is their last breaths.

    People are going to have to produce entertainment for time and material and a realistic margin of profit.

    It will be good.

    People will be producing IP because, by golly, by gum, it's fun.

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    1. Re:You got it all backwards ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Believe it or not, if it comes to that the makers of GPL will be happy!

      Free Software may not mean gratis. It means freedom FOR THE USERS. GPL is just a license in order to protect Free Software from being usurped by proprietary non-free vendors, while enjoying similar protections.

      If you buy something that cannot be inspected, tweaked and improved, your paying for your own jail.

      So your idea has been proposed by proponents of FSF and GPL, e.g. RMS, in order to make people free to do whatever they want with any code.

  9. Would you kindly cut out the political crap? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you still have any respect for this forum within Slashdot, would you kindly cut out your political crap, please?

    As this is a thread discussing the action of GREEDY ASSHOLES of the Music Industry, can you please stick to the context?

    Subservience to the vested elite is not limited to the Conservatives - the critters on the other side of the isle, the Liberals, have also proven to be doing the same thing

    It is thus an utter disgust for you kind to pollute this conversation by astroturfing the 'conservative vs liberal' debate

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    1. Re:Would you kindly cut out the political crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Canada does not yet have a two party system. Please stop with your CRAP talking points.

      It is entirely relevant who is in power with regards to these kind of LEGISLATIVE changes.

    2. Re:Would you kindly cut out the political crap? by jblues · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

      This is making me uncomfortable. Until now I thought cognitive dissonance was something entirely contradictory.

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