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Can Riots Be Predicted By Social Media?

sciencehabit writes: The broken glass and burned wreckage are still being cleared in the wake of the riots that convulsed Baltimore's streets on 27 April. The final trigger of the unrest was the funeral of a 25-year-old African-American man who had died in police custody, but observers point to many other root causes, from income inequality to racial discrimination. But for a few researchers who are studying Baltimore's unrest, the question is not the ultimate causes of the riot but its mechanism: How do such riots self-organize and spread? One of those researchers, Dan Braha, a social scientist at the New England Complex Systems Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, has been collecting data from Twitter that spans the riot from buildup to aftermath, part of a larger study of social media and social unrest around the world. He spoke to Science about how researchers are helping to predict the riots of the future.

141 comments

  1. I certainly hope not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Monitoring, monitoring, monitoring. Pretty soon you won't be able to plan a protest without being added to a dozen watchlists as a dangerous subversive.

    1. Re:I certainly hope not by MobSwatter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They don't really need to monitor though, riots can easily be predicted by how bad the fuckup was that provokes them.

    2. Re:I certainly hope not by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      Well, I'm in full favor of protecting 1st amendment rights.

      However, there are limited limits. The old "you can't yell fire in a crowded movie house" comes to mind.

      I should think the same rules apply to social media? I mean, that tweet that went out saying "there's going to be a PURGE at 3pm..etc" could the powers that be not have that taken down, blocked, etc?

      I"m guessing no mechanism now..but shouldn't be hard to figure how to put filters on there, no?

      I don't say this type thing lightly either, it is a slippery slope...in that righteous expressions that may be controversial, political and all could be in jeopardy, but I think it is something to be discussed.

      You have plenty of rights to free speech, but incitement to riot isn't one of them.

      At the very least...track down the folks that tweeted to riot, and throw the book at them. Maybe just use existing law to get those doing this would be better than a censorship method like I first proposed...it might not STOP a riot as well, but after awhile people *might* actually start getting wise that it isn't smart to incite a riot on social media of any form.

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    3. Re:I certainly hope not by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      The old "you can't yell fire in a crowded movie house" comes to mind.

      The proper quote is "you can't FALSELY yell fire in a crowded theatre".

      Pay close attention to that extra word - it's important....

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    4. Re:I certainly hope not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't really need to monitor though, riots can easily be predicted by how bad the fuckup was that provokes them.

      Yes indeedy.

    5. Re:I certainly hope not by taustin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is people - government goons and ordinary internet users - who can't tell the difference between blowing off steam and real incitement.

      The standard in meatspace is that you can advocate violence, but you can't advocate specific violent right now. You so can say "we should overthrow the government," you can't say "Let's go burn the FBI building down right now."

      Making that distinction online is impossible for most people, because most of the internet is text only, without context or body language, and because most people are hysterical idiots. So the teenage boy who says in some online game "go rape yourself" to some teenage girl, because that's how teenage boys always talk to each other is suddenly under investigation for making terrorist threats. And then the outrage starts from both sides, and the police have no clue what any of it means, or how to respond. They only know that voters are harassing their political bosses to do something, anything, even if it's wrong.

      Add in a few Joker types, "who just want to watch the world burn," who are deliberately inciting violence, mixed with the usual retarded morons who gobble down whatever propaganda they're spoon fed, so long as it agrees with what they want to be true, and, well, welcome to 2015.

    6. Re:I certainly hope not by Chalnoth · · Score: 1, Troll

      The murder of Freddie Grey wasn't all that unusual an occurrence, sadly. A person has been killed by police in the US approximately once every 8 hours. It's not always easy to see beforehand which egregious breach of civil rights by the police will result in widespread protests.

      Also, white people have a strong tendency to riot for no good reason whatsoever (e.g. the 2011 Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver).

    7. Re:I certainly hope not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you might want to recheck the definition of murder...

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/30/baltimore-police-hand-results-freddie-gray-probe-over-to-state-offer-few/

      "Sources told a Baltimore television station that the medical examiner found Freddie Gray died as a result of slamming his head against the inside of a police van, breaking his neck."

    8. Re:I certainly hope not by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

      A person has been killed by police in the US approximately once every 8 hours.

      Sadly, you are right, my father was killed on 5/1/2013 around 4am by Sherriff's officers, the same one's that were accused of raping 5 female inmates as corrections officers 20 years prior and discovered in a related case that he was a juror on that spawned the investigation, and they had set me up to jury tamper him on but the way that panned out they really couldn't press it. It is all part of a larger picture though, my grandfather was ripped off and killed by mobsters that live about 26 miles away back in '64, he was on JFK's short list of folks privy to the JFK space program and when they killed him CIA SR was cancelled, sad time for this country then, even worse now.

    9. Re:I certainly hope not by davester666 · · Score: 1

      BZZT. Implies the fuckup was not planned.

      Why do you think it's so easy for any police force to have SWAT teams and a wide assortment of military gear? Riots like these have made it a really easy 'sell'.

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    10. Re:I certainly hope not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's going to be a PURGE at 3pm..etc"

      Thinking that high school students planned on being forced off buses by cops, by a mall, in advance, is about as high on the shit. for. brains. scale as the idea that Obama's mom faked a Hawaiian birth certificate on the off hand chance that he'd be president in 40-50 years. This right wing "purge" horseshit is more pathetic than chemtrails.

    11. Re:I certainly hope not by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The old "you can't yell fire in a crowded movie house" comes to mind.

      The proper quote is "you can't FALSELY yell fire in a crowded theatre".

      Pay close attention to that extra word - it's important....

      It is also so self evident that it doesn't need to be mentioned.

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  2. So the solution by SYSS+Mouse · · Score: 2

    Is to ban Twitter and Facebook?

    1. Re:So the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm strangely OK with that.

    2. Re:So the solution by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure worked great for Mubarak et al.

      Funny how quickly we forget how we berated those middle east regent when they tried to prop up their failed regime by banning social medias, then promptly turn around and want to squelch dissent at home by monitoring and controlling them when it threatens our own regime.

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    3. Re:So the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea who you think is doing that. TFS is about social science research.

    4. Re:So the solution by taustin · · Score: 0

      I'd be happier if we substitute "nuke from orbit" for "ban."

    5. Re:So the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure worked great for Mubarak et al.

      Funny how quickly we forget how we berated those middle east regent when they tried to prop up their failed regime by banning social medias, then promptly turn around and want to squelch dissent at home by monitoring and controlling them when it threatens our own regime.

      Who is suggesting squelching social media in the USA? Just you as far as I can tell.

    6. Re:So the solution by youngone · · Score: 1

      Not just him, I am too.

    7. Re:So the solution by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm strangely OK with that.

      Yeah, even a viciously repressive Police State has some advantages.

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  3. Predicted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it really a prediction when someone tells you where and when they are going to riot ahead of time?

  4. They can certainly be started via social media by HBI · · Score: 1

    So says TWP

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    1. Re:They can certainly be started via social media by HBI · · Score: 2
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  5. Gee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I wonder what the cause of those riots are....

    http://chimpmania.com/forum/images/imported/2013/08/culturaldiversityatitsfinest_c_1600913-1.jpg

  6. Ask libtards (not meant to Troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Black "hooligans" (different from black people) will riot if their home team wins the championship, or if a black person is shot by a white cop, regardless of context or the facts. The shooting of Michael Brown is a great example. His "parents" only gave a shit about him after he was shot and all the SJWs started to riot on social media. This creates a frenzy for the thieves and crazy folk to take advantage of the "outnumbering public" hence the clashes with police. The recent Baltimore shooting is a little bit different. That cop was cold blooded, a sociopath or some flavor. Regardless, the libtard SJWs (this term deserve its fair time slice occasionally mods, please) get all riled up and clash with police. The fundamental problem I see is that all those "oppressed" "protected classes" of people in America are just getting their toes wet compared to other tragedies in other more wild and free parts of the globe. But alas, instead of making for themselves they get the government to declare it legal to take money from society's producers. It every case from Communist Russia to the $22+ billion in debt Liberal wasteland of Detroit. In all cases, liberalism fails. That is all

    1. Re:Ask libtards (not meant to Troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Michael Brown case is a great example of what's wrong with this whole jumping to conclusions thing. While there ARE clear cases of cops illegally killing suspects (like in the recent cases in Charleston and Arizona), the physical evidence in the Michael Brown case conclusively showed that the cop's story was, in fact, accurate. The bullets and blood trail made it clear that Brown fought the officer for his gun, started to walk away, then turned around and charged him again--just as the cop claimed. Considering Brown's history of violence and hot-headed behavior, this wasn't even surprising. And yet the cop still had to quit his job, move to another city, and hide--all because the SJW's and blacks automatically assume that the white cop is ALWAYS lying.

    2. Re:Ask libtards (not meant to Troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would like to also add that, before the mods judge me as a "racist" (the leftist definition), I simply chose black people as one topic to talk about. Whites riot too, but whites rarely riot in the US they same way some lower classes (of all colors) do. Typically if white people are rioting it's because their students. Liberal students commonly. Whites rioting in other countries is actually because their government has really pissed them off a lot more than the US has ever to its own citizens. I don't mean to ramble but it is sometimes a tax on commenting here to protect ones posts against quick and judgmental moderation one has to resort to a bit of a "libtard" non-hateful disclaimer (such as this very post reply), often in the same manner as Fark enforces Draconian censorship on its users.

    3. Re:Ask libtards (not meant to Troll) by firewrought · · Score: 1

      Stupid SJW's... don't they know that government exist to protect businesses, not fret over the welfare of the little people?

      /s

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    4. Re:Ask libtards (not meant to Troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want to see white people riot? Come to the Canadian cities of Vancouver, Edmonton or Calgary, and wait until the local NHL team is in the playoffs. This causes riots, and they're virtually 100% white people who participate.

    5. Re:Ask libtards (not meant to Troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets define scale.

      Because saying "OMG, all races murder" and showing some white on black murders is not helpful to the conversation of reality, which usually can be thought of in bellcurves rather than stark black/white.

  7. Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering most riots these days are organized on social media, you should be able to "predict" them.

  8. one more "/." summary for libtards! by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 2

    The final trigger of the unrest was the funeral of a 25-year-old African-American man who had died in police custody, but observers point to many other root causes, from income inequality to racial discrimination.

    I think some "triggers/root causes" are (deliberately) left out from this "/." summary...

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    1. Re:one more "/." summary for libtards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libtard SJWs love a good riot, go look up mayday in the bay area for example.

    2. Re:one more "/." summary for libtards! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Libtard SJWs love a good riot, go look up mayday in the bay area for example.

      As anyone knows, it's futbol fans that really love rioting.

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    3. Re:one more "/." summary for libtards! by DaHat · · Score: 1

      Up here in Seattle we have both... and come tomorrow I don't think it will be the football fans who will be engaging in their annual riot.

  9. You need to research that? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, the unrest is brewing in our towns. The powder keg is filled to the brim, all it takes is a spark, and any kind will do, to blow it up. You're getting close to a critical mass of people who are severely unhappy with how things are going, the only thing missing is a focal point for this anger. As soon as a justification is found to vent that anger, you have a riot.

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    1. Re:You need to research that? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Seriously, the unrest is brewing in our towns. The powder keg is filled to the brim, all it takes is a spark, and any kind will do, to blow it up. You're getting close to a critical mass of people who are severely unhappy with how things are going, the only thing missing is a focal point for this anger. As soon as a justification is found to vent that anger, you have a riot.

      Seriously? Critical Mass? Seriously?

      I kinda doubt it...this is pretty isolated. Seems mostly to just be a problem in the few highly packed urban centers in the US. You don't see this type of behavior, or even sympathy to it in most of the US.

      And for the most part, I think the 24/7 news channels blow it up to much more than it actually is. They often choose camera angles to try to make it look like more people than it is.

      The majority if folks in the US rarely if ever have a personal encounter with the police in their cities. The majority of US citizens while concerned that these isolated events are coming to our attention, they also don't see it as much a problem in their local areas or states.

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    2. Re:You need to research that? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      Well it's their own fault for voting for a guy who draged us through the gutter for the last eight years.

      Enjoying your Obamaphones?

    3. Re:You need to research that? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the alternatives would have made all the difference.

      Whether a broken vase is red or blue matters little concerning its usefulness.

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    4. Re:You need to research that? by SpaceCommander · · Score: 1

      Precisely how did Obama's policies contribute to this riot?

    5. Re:You need to research that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sigh:

      Conservative critics have claimed the FCC's Lifeline program is a wasteful government handout and referred to it as the "Obamaphone" program.

      "Here’s the truth. The Lifeline program long predates the current administration," Clyburn said in the speech at the New America Foundation. "It was actually created during the Reagan administration, so let's give credit where credit is due. The Lifeline program is a legacy President Reagan could be proud of."

      Congress first enacted the Lifeline program in 1985, and the FCC expanded the program to cover cellphone service in 2005 during the George W. Bush administration.

      The program pays for phone service, not the phones themselves. But many companies that receive funding through the program offer free and low-cost phones to their subscribers.

      - http://thehill.com/policy/technology/322041-fcc-chief-reagan-could-be-proud-of-obamaphone-program

      So correctly say:
      Enjoying your Reaganphone/Bushphone?

    6. Re:You need to research that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What unrest? This isn't the 1960s. Inciting a riot in Austin will mean a bunch of people just wind up past what time they normally crash, and Kerbey or Magnolia winds up with more business. Trying to start a riot in Houston or Dallas will just people shaking their heads. Better off going 5 mph under the speed limit on the interstate, which will piss more people off.

      The news media -sells- the news. They don't -show- the true picture. The protesters who were there for weeks peacefully demonstrating were never covered in Baltimore. Neither are the protestors who are obeying the law in Ferguson and other places. However, get some outside agitators in the mix... and the news helis spin up.

      This only hurts both sides. The news coverage only makes the mayor look weak on one hand, while it makes all the people, even the peaceful participants look like thugs.

      Most of the US is quite peaceful. The press just needs a story, and if they can sell a fake parallel universe of a hyper-violent town, they will.

    7. Re:You need to research that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's their own fault. They could have stayed in school and be successful, but they chose to be thugs. Deport the idiots to whatever country they want to go to, as long as they don't come back.

    8. Re:You need to research that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure about this "specific" riot, or if it's messages put out vs. policies per se, but I would agree to some extent with OP.

      Obama, and to a larger degree his administration (and the democrats that support him) has been inciting racial tensions (among other things) for most of his 2 terms.

      Are you forgetting O's comments about the Harvard law professor and the police "acting stupidly" before he even knew the details of the situation?

      Are you forgetting when most of the D's in Congress all walked in wearing hoodies (to show support) after Trevon Martin was shot. Of course once the details from court came out, it was ruled that the shooting was justified and Trevon was a thug that was beating on Zimmerman.

      Do you remember O's statements that if "he had a son, he would look like Trevon" while trying to gain support and sympathy for Trevon prior to the trial?

      Are you forgetting when Holder announced that no charges were brought against the New Black Panther party when they were on video intimidating white voters in Philly?

      Or how about when Mrs. O made a speech at a graduation and mentioned that students should monitor their relatives and friends for anti-minority comments.

      Or how about when O said, "I don't believe it is possible to transcend race in this country. Race is a factor in this society. The legacy of Jim Crow and slavery has not gone away."

      Or how about when O said, "That's just how white folds will do you...It was as if whites didn't know that they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you deserving of their scorn."

      There are plenty more examples of race baiting, but usually the 'dirty work' has been done by his political allies, including Holder, Sharpton/Jackson duo, and the MSM.

    9. Re:You need to research that? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      It's harder to riot when you have a job.

    10. Re:You need to research that? by tlambert · · Score: 1

      It's harder to riot when you have a job.

      It's easier to have a job (at least, in a manufacturing sector) when you don't approve the Trans Pacific Partnership, or ask for the ability to fast track it. IT's also easier to have a job when your government imposes tariffs on nations like China, based on environmental and labor standards that are enforced locally, such that it makes no sense to offshore the manufacturing sector in the first place.

      That said, I think that most inner city teens wouldn't have jobs, even if that discrepancy were corrected, since the value of the labor of an inner city teen is less than the current minimum wage. So you'd hire someone whose labor is equal to or more valuable than the minimum wage for those jobs instead, like an out of work adult.

  10. Psychohistory by DrunkenTerror · · Score: 1

    Ask Harry Seldon!

  11. Jeez, just put a webcam in the ghetto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Problem solved!

  12. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are an ignorant idiot, not just using tabs for identation, but also racist!

  13. This riot started with a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This riot started with a press release from the Baltimore Police Department:

      According to the Baltimore Sun, a call to "purge"—a reference to the 2013 dystopian film in which all crime is made legal for one night—circulated on social media among school-aged Baltimoreans that morning. The rumored plan—which was not traced to any specific person or group—was to assemble at the Mondawmin Mall at 3 p.m. and proceed down Pennsylvania Avenue toward downtown Baltimore. The Baltimore Police Department, which was aware of the "purge" call, prepared for the worst. Shortly before noon, the department issued a statement saying it had "received credible information that members of various gangshave entered into a partnership to 'take-out' law enforcement officers." ...

    Meghann Harris, a teacher at a nearby school, described on Facebook what happened:

    Police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, [Frederick Douglass High School] students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear, marching toward any small social clique of studentsIt looked as if there were hundreds of cops.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/how-baltimore-riots-began-mondawmin-purge

    1. Re:This riot started with a press release by HBI · · Score: 1

      Sure, the cops caused it. Yup.

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    2. Re:This riot started with a press release by HBI · · Score: 1

      Do you have any conception how stupid that sounds? "They stopped my bus so I started burning things and busting up cop cars"

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    3. Re:This riot started with a press release by SydShamino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most of us are willing to create civil unrest about something, at least in theory. That's why you have all those guns, right? It just has to be bad enough that you see civil unrest as the only available option.

      For emotional teenager minds, police in riot gear surrounding you and presumably yelling at you to disperse while simultaneously preventing you from leaving might be that trigger. Sure the first guy who threw a rock was probably an asshole who should have been expelled for something else months ago, but others might join in who would have also been perfectly happy to just get on a bus and go home if they had been allowed to two hours earlier when school let out.

      That's where the police failed - by creating a situation where immature people feel rioting is their only option, when they just as easily could have tackled the rumors of a riot by trying to disperse the kids into the city and away from trouble instead.

      In other words, police showing up in full riot gear and marching in unison down the street at you is an incentive to start a riot. Honestly I'm surprised the libertarian gun-loving wing of Slashdot isn't rising up to support people "resisting the police state".

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    4. Re:This riot started with a press release by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      "You know, normally, I'm a law-abiding citizen. And I was about to get on the bus to go to church and then my volunteer job when the desire to throw molotov cocktails at random buildings just came over me. I tell you, something in the air that night made me want to loot several armfuls of Nikes from that shoe store down the street too. Kind of wacky, huh? Call it the zeitgeist, I guess," said one of the noble oppressed.

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    5. Re:This riot started with a press release by Pascoea · · Score: 2

      That's why you have all those guns, right?

      I have mine for hunting and target shooting

    6. Re:This riot started with a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In other words, police showing up in full riot gear and marching in unison down the street at you is an incentive to start a riot. Honestly I'm surprised the libertarian gun-loving wing of Slashdot isn't rising up to support people "resisting the police state".

      Perhaps you haven't noticed that this site rivals Stormfront for racial intolerance? Always bothered the fuck out of site founder Rob Malda, who is a decent guy.

      Guns and liberty are for the pale-skinned, around here. Read the comments with negative scores for the cruder examples, read any comment in this thread for more subtle ones.

    7. Re:This riot started with a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bear these facts in mind too, every day hundreds of kids leave Frederick Douglass and walk across the street and through the mall to catch the buses on the far side of the mall. Their school releases at about 2:25.

      I just wish people could recognize how insane this would be if their kids were released from school to buzzing police helicopters, police in riot gear, and their child being prevented from taking transportation home. It would be a national outrage.

      — Meg Gibson, a Baltimore City school teacher at Belmont Elementary School, via Facebook and Facebook chat.

      http://gawker.com/those-kids-were-set-up-1700716306

    8. Re:This riot started with a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hand them in.
      The first amendment states that guns should be used to overthrow the government.

    9. Re:This riot started with a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freedom of Speech says that you should use guns to overthrow the government? Are you retarded?

    10. Re:This riot started with a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "observers point to many other root causes, from income inequality to racial discrimination"

      Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

      "He earns more than me so I started burning things and busting up cop cars"

    11. Re:This riot started with a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarians don't support the police state, but they also don't support rioting - ie destroying other's property.

    12. Re:This riot started with a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, the cops caused it. Yup.

      Of course they caused it. Google "police riot". Police brutalize protestors - or people minding their own business - so right wing dumbfucks such as yourself can try and flip the conversation from people murdered by cops to oh noes, a window was broken.

    13. Re:This riot started with a press release by Agripa · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can add years of thuggery by Baltimore law enforcement:

      https://www.themarshallproject...

    14. Re:This riot started with a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of us are willing to create civil unrest about something, at least in theory. That's why you have all those guns, right?

      I saw a lot of guns being used to protect property from mobs, so no, guns aren't just for civil unrest. The fomenting thereof, that is.

  14. Flash Mobs? by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

    Officer at computer console: "Sir, there seems to be a lot of Twitter traffic about a gathering at 6:30pm by the river!"

    Supervisor: "Damned pinko commie terrorists! Deploy the usual - tear gas, sound cannon, fire hoses, horses, flamethrowers, yadee yadee.. Tell the boys to avoid breaking any backs if possible, the boys in Baltimore are having a hard time of it right now and we don't need that noise."

    Officer at computer console: "Roger that!"

    Meanwhile, down by the river...

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  15. so sorry...but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm terribly sorry that there's poverty. But:

    I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. I mean, pretty seriously on the wrong side of the tracks.

    I thought speaking English was a good idea, so I learned how to speak, and how to write.

    I thought education was important, so I learned to read and even where teachers were inadequate, I taught myself.

    I thought that nobody owed me a life but I had to make it for myself.

    It's really that simple.

    1. Re:so sorry...but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up poor in Appalachia. No one ever gave me an affirmative action scholarship. No Silicon Valley entrepreneurs ever sponsored any coding classes for me. And not once did Al Sharpton show up in my hometown to let the world know that I was oppressed.

      Yet somehow I still did pretty good.

    2. Re:so sorry...but.. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm terribly sorry that there's poverty.

      No, you're cowardly sorry.

      Why should we believe you've got it as bad as people who are rioting?

      Why should we believe anything you wrote?

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    3. Re:so sorry...but.. by kamapuaa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well I grew up rich, and I think people have a social responsibility to each other.

      Is my story any more relevant than yours? Did growing up poor provide you with special insights?

      I mean aside from how to cook Kraft dinner.

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    4. Re:so sorry...but.. by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Say hello to survival bias.

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    5. Re:so sorry...but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should I be responsible for some stupid phuck that dropped out of school because he wanted to be a drug dealing/rapist/murderer/thief thug? I didn't grow up in a rich family, I stayed in school, studied hard, learned a trade because I couldn't afford college, worked hard, raised a family, paid my mortgage, retired early, and am happy. Because I didn't do drugs and look for the easy way of the thug life. Grow the F up, they don't want equality, they want a handout, and will still be the same no matter what handout they get.

    6. Re:so sorry...but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you talk like a person who is poor and went to a sub-standard school. Maybe that's why your reasoning powers are so obviously stunted.

    7. Re:so sorry...but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > and went to a sub-standard school.
      *substandard

    8. Re:so sorry...but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, grew up poor but stayed in school and worked hard. That's why I was able to retire at 45 with a paid off mortgage while you a$$hole college grads are still paying off your student loans and you still don't know how to spell or structure a sentence.

  16. Can some predict when /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    will post something interesting for once?

  17. Re:Simple by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    What's funny about your comment is that you and the asshole that modded your post up are so ignorant on the topic that you're blissfully unaware of your contribution to the problem you're criticizing.

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  18. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do
    {
          blather_racistly();
    } while (AC === "racist bigot");

  19. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention the assignment rather than equality check in the if clause, and the fact that the whole statement is redundant since the value of riot is simply the value of the "i": basically, if "i" want to riot, I will.

  20. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck all the mods who modded this insightful. Go fucking kill yourself you ignorant pricks.

  21. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Black people like to riot and loot AND THEY'RE NOT ASHAMED OF IT. And I don't judge them. I like rioting too, I just never find my fellow white neighbors ever rioting. I'm not the one to start, but I'd totally join in with the right momentum. So please stop acting like such an oversensitive child and shouting names at the mods. If you ever said something useful, perhaps you could shut up and just use your own damn mod points.

  22. Re:Simple by ezdiy · · Score: 1

    Kinda thought it was part of the joke - as the riot happens regardless of color its actually pretty politically correct. The racist compiler warns about that, though (are you sure you want to be painted black?).

  23. criminals by arbiter1 · · Score: 1

    Its sad How all these protests are over people that were criminals to start with. Most recent one, the guy was charged with distribution of narcotics 11 times since 2007, and least 7 other crimes. Brown wasn't much different, robbed a store then assaulted a cop in his cruiser. Pretty sad how they protest of a Criminal's death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    1. Re:criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The law does not allow for capital punishment for crimes like these. And it certainly does not allow for the arresting police officers to sit in judgment and then execute.

      Frankly I don't care who it is, allowing this to continue is wrong!

    2. Re:criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its sad How all these protests are over people that were criminals to start with. Most recent one, the guy was charged with distribution of narcotics 11 times since 2007, and least 7 other crimes. Brown wasn't much different, robbed a store then assaulted a cop in his cruiser. Pretty sad how they protest of a Criminal's death.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      This is because the media maintains the PC narrative.

  24. Re:Better Detection Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure the scumbag gangbangers and crackheads looting those stores were the ones doing all the poking in those neighborhoods. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes the guy looting your store is just a fucking scumbag thief.

    If someone rapes your wife, you don't blame it on society's ills. You blame in on the piece of shit that did it.

  25. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's funny is how much you don't realize they don't fucking care

  26. In Brazil is very Predictable ! by jobdrb · · Score: 1

    Lets see an Example!
    In Brazil, the governor of Parana State, government take the money from the people and give to Judiciary, to help the judges have a lot of privileges and stewardships. A Judge in the beginning of career , get a salary of 20 teachers. Judges receive housing assistance, even they have houses. The value is 2 times a salary of an teacher. All this stewardships, take a price, and the State go Bankrupt. To save state finances, governor have a great idea of to get pension fund of the state public workers.
    At same time, many deputies and govern allies are involved in corruption and tax fraud. Judges, left they free.

    To pass the vote, government prohibits people from going to parliament and throws bombs on teachers.

    SO PREDICTABLE! SEE THE VIDEO:
    http://revolution-news.com/bra... a>

  27. Re:Simple by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    Yes, they very noisily don't care.

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  28. What's the point of predicting if we do nothing? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's the point of predicting riots if all we're going to do is stand around and give people "space to destroy" when they do riot?

    These aren't thunderstorms...

  29. It would be nice if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The retards knew the whole story before acting their I.Q. and demonstrating or rioting. They think it's another poor underprivileged non-white on the way to bible study, when in fact it's another drug selling thug that inflicted his own wounds. I foresee this happening more and more, idiots trying to martyr themselves to make cops look bad. I hope every demonstrator gets arrested for being stupid. The news networks and people demonstrating are playing this as another racist issue, when it's really the idiots (and his parents) fault.

  30. if the riot is organized on social media... by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Flash mobs are organized on social media... if you do a riot the same way then... sure, if you monitor the whole fucking internet like skynet or something then you might be able to predict a riot.

    However, here is a better idea... when a riot starts... How about you actually send the actual police to the actual disturbance and stop it before it gets completely out of control.

    It is really not that hard. You get the police out there with a megaphone and you say "you have a right to peacefully protest so long as you do not obstruct traffic or businesses. Be peaceful and respectful of the community and you are welcome here. If however there is vandalism, intimidation, or other illegal activity, the police will break the up the crowd by any means. You have been warned."

    Then have the police there with tear gas and gas masks and a meat wagon. If the protest is peaceful like an MLK protest, then leave them alone because they're not hurting anyone. If however they pull a Rodney King, Katrina, Frugison, Baltimore type riot... then you say over the megaphone "We are not dispursing the crowd as members of the crowd have begun vandalizing property etc. Leave the area if you do not live here and if you do live here then go home. You have five minutes to dispurse"

    Anyone that doesn't want to choke on tear gas is going to leave right then and there. Those that remain get to eat tear gas. And while they're on all fours vomiting up their breakfast, the police can come in with gas masks, zip tie everyone that decided to stay, and cart them all away in the meat wagons.

    No one gets hurt. Property damage is kept to a minimum. Everyone is warned of what is going to happen before it happens. No one is subjected to the tear gas without being given an option to not be hit with tear gas. And the riot is stopped cold.

    The looting and lawlessness that is typical of riots happens because there is a break down in order. You do not solve that problem by backing off and letting the whole area turn into Mad Max. You stop it by going in there and laying down the law.

    I am NOT advocating brutality or infringing anyone's rights. You do not have a right to riot any more then one person all by himself doesn't have the right to walk around throwing bricks through windows. You don't inherent rights in a mob that you don't have by yourself. If you don't have the right to tip cars over whenever you feel like it then you don't have the right to do it in a mob simply because a lot of people are doing it with you.

    The gas is largely harmless. We subject our own soldiers to tear gas in basic training. If it actually caused any lasting harm to anyone then we wouldn't do that. The gas will also break up all but the most die hard members of the riot. Ideally you want as many people to leave the area on their own without requiring the police to deal with each individual person.

    That leaves the core of the riot. And those people tend to have long criminal records, be mostly interested in exploiting the chaos to steal, and are generally people that society rarely suffers from having in jail.

    I was in Los Angeles during the King riots. And the same stupid thing happened in LA that happened in Baltimore. You do NOT give the riot space or assume that it will just burn itself out if you leave it alone. It is as likely to turn into the Lord of the Flies in there as anything else. They're more likely to eat each other than they are to calm down on their own.

    What is so sad is that modern police in the 21st century are failing to do something that the average city guard throughout history had no trouble handling.

    It isn't rocket science. Let the police do their jobs and the riot will be over before it starts.

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    1. Re:if the riot is organized on social media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue there is where to set the 'starts vandalizing' bar. Too low and it becomes very easy to plant an agitator in the crowd and provide justification to disperse inconvenient protests.

    2. Re:if the riot is organized on social media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ok. You've by and large described what actually happens, and it's just wrong. Let's take a look at why it's wrong.

      First, collective punishment is wrong. Treating a large crowd as being fully responsible down to the individual level for what a smaller, possibly not even connected, group of people did blocks away is stupid and wrong. There's a reason collective punishment is forbidden in all sets of rules on human rights. If a massive crowd were really acting as one as they do in the pretend fantasyland where the whole crowd is guilty of the acts of a few people, it wouldn't just be broken windows and burned out cars. Entire city blocks would be reduced to smouldering rubble.

      Second, five minutes is a ridiculous amount of time to expect a large crowd to disperse in. Especially a large protest where the normal logistics of crowd dispersal are hindered by a number of factors. A not insignificant factor being that the police have often positioned themselves in the way. If the police are blocking you to the South, East, and West, and there's no passage to the North, the only option is to go through them, which is going to make them break out the tear gas early. Sometimes the police do this because they're not very good a crowd management. Other times they do it just to give themselves an excuse to attack the protesters and claim that they're being unruly. Then, of course, there's additional limits to movement when the police are out in force. Walking in the street can be an immediate invitation to have your skull smashed with a baton even where it would be otherwise legal.

      Thirdly, people come and go all the time. If the crowd isn't totally locked in, by the time the time limit on your ultimatum is up, there are already going to be plenty of new people in the crowd who weren't even there when the ultimatum was given. Also there's all the people who actually live there who are on their way to or from work, or the store, etc.

      Fourth, people aren't omniscient. Giving a massive spread out crowd instructions over a megaphone only sounds like a good idea to people who have an unrealistic, childlike concept of space. In a large, noisy, spread out crowd, only a few people in the front are going to hear the scratchy, distorted, virtually incomprehensible police megaphone. I can barely ever understand a thing anyone says over a megaphone. It all comes out like Charlie Brown's parents. I know a lot of police fanboys are totally in love with the idea that a muffled cry of "police" while smashing down a door should be all that's required for everyone in a home to understand that the police have arrived in the home, perfectly legally, and that they really are the police and not home invaders, and that everyone should peacefully comply with no panic or hesitation whatsoever. That's a load of nonsense to anyone who actually lives outside Lalaland. Same applies to ordering around large crowds. But, I suppose it goes along with the collective punishment angle. If you're going to randomly brutalize members of a crowd for things a virtually unrelated set of people did, then it's in spec to also only warn a small portion of that crowd.

    3. Re:if the riot is organized on social media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL "sure, if you monitor the whole fucking internet like skynet or something"

      Oh you mean google :)

      Easy enough to search for a keyword for on specific sites like facebook on google. Write a bot that scrapes these keywords from google for the major social networks. ... your first Riot predicting bot. :)

    4. Re:if the riot is organized on social media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't waste your time on slashdot, doubly so on karmashock. At this point those that are left here don't read AC's, don't care about facts, and really don't care about disenfranchised minorities.

      The majority would rather see those children burn than treat them like human beings that were corralled, forced to stay, told to disperse, and then accused of a crime when they could not leave.

      Slashdot is dead. Nothing more than racist bigots and marketers now.

    5. Re:if the riot is organized on social media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok. You've by and large described what actually happens, and it's just wrong. Let's take a look at why it's wrong.

      First, collective punishment is wrong. Treating a large crowd as being fully responsible down to the individual level for what a smaller, possibly not even connected, group of people did blocks away is stupid and wrong. There's a reason collective punishment is forbidden in all sets of rules on human rights. If a massive crowd were really acting as one as they do in the pretend fantasyland where the whole crowd is guilty of the acts of a few people, it wouldn't just be broken windows and burned out cars. Entire city blocks would be reduced to smouldering rubble.

      Second, five minutes is a ridiculous amount of time to expect a large crowd to disperse in. Especially a large protest where the normal logistics of crowd dispersal are hindered by a number of factors. A not insignificant factor being that the police have often positioned themselves in the way. If the police are blocking you to the South, East, and West, and there's no passage to the North, the only option is to go through them, which is going to make them break out the tear gas early. Sometimes the police do this because they're not very good a crowd management. Other times they do it just to give themselves an excuse to attack the protesters and claim that they're being unruly. Then, of course, there's additional limits to movement when the police are out in force. Walking in the street can be an immediate invitation to have your skull smashed with a baton even where it would be otherwise legal.

      Thirdly, people come and go all the time. If the crowd isn't totally locked in, by the time the time limit on your ultimatum is up, there are already going to be plenty of new people in the crowd who weren't even there when the ultimatum was given. Also there's all the people who actually live there who are on their way to or from work, or the store, etc.

      Fourth, people aren't omniscient. Giving a massive spread out crowd instructions over a megaphone only sounds like a good idea to people who have an unrealistic, childlike concept of space. In a large, noisy, spread out crowd, only a few people in the front are going to hear the scratchy, distorted, virtually incomprehensible police megaphone. I can barely ever understand a thing anyone says over a megaphone. It all comes out like Charlie Brown's parents. I know a lot of police fanboys are totally in love with the idea that a muffled cry of "police" while smashing down a door should be all that's required for everyone in a home to understand that the police have arrived in the home, perfectly legally, and that they really are the police and not home invaders, and that everyone should peacefully comply with no panic or hesitation whatsoever. That's a load of nonsense to anyone who actually lives outside Lalaland. Same applies to ordering around large crowds. But, I suppose it goes along with the collective punishment angle. If you're going to randomly brutalize members of a crowd for things a virtually unrelated set of people did, then it's in spec to also only warn a small portion of that crowd.

      Strongarm tactics prevent future riots. Not the one they are used in.

      Just like in states where it's legal to shoot to kill a home invader, where concealed carry is common, they learn, or they die. Either way the problem goes away.

      Now days riots are just a party event where people who take shit from others all the time take a bit more, only breaking some glass to get it this time. There is no reason to mourn their loss. Their rap records will never be released had they lived anyway.

    6. Re:if the riot is organized on social media... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Okay, lets go through your list.

      1. As to collective punishment, you are conflating keeping order with punishment. This is your first error. Punishment would require a court of law, a judge, a trial, a sentence... none of these things is happening so there is no punishment happening here. When I tell someone to put the gun down or I'll shoot... I am not punishing them. I am protecting the peace, order, and safety of the community. I am not judging the person to be guilty of anything. I am judging rather that they are a danger to the peace and safety and order of the area and as a law enforcement officer I have not only a right but an obligation to maintain those things.

      If you've got a mob running around tipping over cars, setting stuff on fire, killing people, looting shops... my obligation is to stop that. I can't get in there and just extract the worst elements of the crowd. I have to dispurse the crowd as much as possible stripping the mob down to the core. Then that core can be dealt with using more extreme measures.

      My suggested order of operations was this:

      First, warn the crowd what is going to happen. That will remove a lot of people that don't want to get hit with tear gas etc.
      Second, I hit them with tear gas once people have had some time to leave. This will dispurse the crowd further because they know arrests are coming next. It also puts anyone that wants to stay on their knees which means I can deal with them without hurting them.
      Third, anyone that wants to stay despite being tear gassed is likely a serious problem maker and I'm going to zip tie them and throw them in a meat wagon.
      Fourth, they may not even be tried for a crime. I'll have them in the police holding cells and from there I can go through the group and try to do a final sort of the people. Most of them I won't have any real evidence against besides they were there. I'll let all of those people go with no criminal record. If I have evidence that any of them did something specifically against the law... then I'll pass that on to the courts for trial.

      This is entirely reasonable.

      2. As to five minutes, I disagree that five minutes is a short amount of time if you actually listen to what I am saying and just go. If you want me to extend that to 10 minutes then so be it. But this isn't a sports stadium we're clearing but rather a street. I've been in riot situations before and you can totally leave the area of the riot in 5 minutes if you want to because the riot has three zones. It has the place where people are currently acting crazy, it has the area they've already ruined, and it has the area they're about to ruin.

      The police need to stand in front of the area they're going to ruin. That is in zone 3. And confront zone 1 which is the place that is currently being ruined. You can retreat from the police by going to zone 2 quite easily and you won't get gassed there if you listen to my warning and go. Once you're in zone 2 you can leave the area entirely at your leisure. I can't gas the entirity of zones 1 and 2 at once. I will start by gasing zone 1. All you have to do to avoid being gased is leave zone 1. We're talking about a one to two block area directly in front of the police riot line. Five minutes is plenty of time.

      Ten minutes is very near to procrastination. I'm not especially interested in letting the people acting crazy to have more time to break stuff. I want to put pressure on them as quickly as possible. I would be within my rights to give them NO time at all. Just immediately gas them on sight with no warning at all.

      Giving them 5 minutes is a kindness and it saves me having to deal with people that would have just left. After 5 minutes, if you are still right in front of my riot line... You're getting tear gassed. And if you don't run away while that is happening... You're getting zip tied and throw in the meat wagon. Whether any of that leads to a trial is up to later investigation and not my problem.

      The point is to break the riot immediately. Not to punis

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    7. Re:if the riot is organized on social media... by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't matter.

      That's a struggle for anyone that wants to organize a protest.

      Look at the protests put on my MLK jr. He was a big fan of sit ins for example. He'd have all his people sit down somewhere and then King would lead them in a prayer or a sermon or something. And anyone standing up and acting crazy was understood to not be part of his protest.

      What is more, if anything crazy started to happen, he would tell his people to go home immediately.

      His family has actually been very outspoken in these latest racial issues. Ferguson and Baltimore got responses from the King family and they said in both situation that the protesters should have gone home or organized very differently because the whole thing is indistinguishable from a riot which is counter productive.

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    8. Re:if the riot is organized on social media... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      The NSA thought the same thing and has found it to be more complicated than that.

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  31. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if(i=black)

    Well good job, this will always equal true. Try "==" next time you fucking moron.

  32. Re:Simple by ultranova · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That about sums it up

    Watching from the outside, it sure seems so. I wonder why, though? It couldn't possibly be because the country refused to give up racism when offered the carrot of a dream, so now it gets the stick of fire and brimstone, now could it?

    Humanity seems utterly unable to learn tgat injustices are weaknesses that lead to destruction yet the universe seems just as unable to stop hammering the lesson home. Unmovable object of human stubborn evil meets the unstoppable force of obvious consequences. We haven't met any aliens because they're addicted to, mesmerized by and terrified of the epic farce that's human history. Assuming they're even alive anymore - not helping when able inserts them right back into the same pattern, after all, most likely by opening old scars.

    We should really make ethics a branch of national defence, since most problems and threats originate from someone racking up bad karma in the name of short-term benefit.

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  33. Wouldn't prevention be better? by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 0

    Instead of trying to predict riots, wouldn't it be better to prevent them in the first place? Putting effort into righting the injustices that cause the riot would be the best thing for everybody.

    Pope John XXIII said "If you want peace, work for justice." Seems to be some wisdom there.

    1. Re:Wouldn't prevention be better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think more wisdom comes from Grumpy Old Men: "You can wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which gets filled first."

      *Until* you have world peace, you still need policies and procedures that protect civilians and property from extensive damage by incited mobs. It would be nice to live in a world filled with daises and titties for all, but I doubt I'll ever see it. So it goes that I'd rather be prepared than ignorant.

  34. Baltimore was ripe for this by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    Baltimore represents the best of urban decay. Sure there's new developments, the Harbor etc. but most of Baltimore resembles Detroit. If you take the plight of people living in that squalor and add a few professional malcontents and any reason, you can have a riot. Unfortunately Baltimore's leadership also failed, miserably. The Mayor should resign because from all news accounts and her public statements she didn't sufficiently protect the neighborhoods and businesses becoming trashed in the name of "racial justice."

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    1. Re:Baltimore was ripe for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baltimore represents the best of urban decay. Sure there's new developments, the Harbor etc. but most of Baltimore resembles Detroit. If you take the plight of people living in that squalor and add a few professional malcontents and any reason, you can have a riot. Unfortunately Baltimore's leadership also failed, miserably. The Mayor should resign because from all news accounts and her public statements she didn't sufficiently protect the neighborhoods and businesses becoming trashed in the name of "racial justice."

      Democratic mayor. Democratic school board. Democratic police chief. Democratic city council. Democrats living there. All the power in one political party. Nothing changes, and nothing gets better. This is a self-inflicted wound... one that I an inclined to let bleed.

  35. Yes and No by s.petry · · Score: 2

    I would agree that our so-called "News" blows some things out of proportion. At the same time I lived most of my life near Detroit and more recently in CA (SF Area). I have friends and family in most Southern states. There are absolutely pockets where the economy is bad enough that I'd agree with GP about the powder keg waiting for a spark. Even in the SF Bay area, I wonder how much it would take to see riots. Here there are the people with money, and those those without.

    Measurements on just about everything prove that the Middle Class is becoming an endangered species. The lack of a middle class will lead to revolts at some point, history is pretty clear on that. The Lords with money are generally given plenty of room to be Lords as long as the subjects have a trajectory upward. When all avenues are closed and your option is to be a peasant, Lords tend to lose their heads.

    You are claiming that media plays up incidents of protest, which I agree with. We also know that they downplay incidents of protest, distort protests, and in some cases just ignore the best informed protests. It happens to work both ways, depending on who benefits. Racial tensions keep the peasants bickering with each other. Political corruption does not. Guess which gets air time?

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  36. An easier method to predict them by oic0 · · Score: 1

    It might be easier to predict them based on poor governments, squalor, and abuses of power. Ever played any city simulation game? pretty easy to tell when you've screwed up so bad the masses are about to riot.

  37. undereducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    these moronic, undereducated, clueless 'researchers' like this one are getting on my nerves.

  38. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

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  39. Can you predict cops executing a minority? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 0

    If so.. yes.

    Look- I donate to the police survivors fund each year, but the drug war, militarization of police, and grossly racially imbalanced police forces lead to these events.

    Freddie Gray's record was minor drug infractions which wouldn't even be a problem in three states any more.

    Once he was arrested the first time, he had no hope of ever getting a good job with an arrest record. Once he had a conviction, it was over.

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  40. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if(i=black)
    {
                assume_suspect_guilty_by_default = true;
                use_excess_or_lethal_force_on_suspect = true;
                riot = true;
    }
    else
    {
                assume_suspect_guitly_by_default = false;
                use_excess_or_lethal_force_on_suspect = false;
                riot = false;
    }

    That about sums it up

    FTFY.

  41. Those aren't white people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, white people have a strong tendency to riot for no good reason whatsoever (e.g. the 2011 Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver).

    Those aren't white people. They're Canadians.

  42. The article is not about *stopping* riots.... by tlambert · · Score: 2

    The article is not about *stopping* riots.... it's about *predicting* them, so you know where to set up the news vans, and you know where to go to be on camera so you can demonstrate that you are a "community leader".

    If you actually *stopped* the riots, it'd be a hell of a slow news day, and you'd have to run human interest stories about the baby ducks who've infested some guys swimming pool, or stories about cats.

  43. Cameras do not last long in high crime areas. by tlambert · · Score: 1

    They tend to be rather quickly destroyed by criminals so that there's no admissible record of their criminal activities.

  44. Mod parent up. by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Why should we believe you've got it as bad as people who are rioting?

    Mod parent up.

    People stupid enough to riot definitely have it worse off than people smart enough to not riot. Because they're not only in poverty, they are also stupid.

    1. Re:Mod parent up. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I think you are mistaking "stupid" for "desperate" or "hopeless" or "disillusioned".

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    2. Re:Mod parent up. by tlambert · · Score: 1

      I think you are mistaking "stupid" for "desperate" or "hopeless" or "disillusioned".

      You can be those things without rioting. They are not synonymous with "being an asshole", which is what rioting is all about. Wanton destruction of property achieves no reasonable political or social agenda, other than harming people already operating hand to mouth in cash flow businesses, and forcing them into poverty with you.

      If you weren't "just being an asshole", you'd be rioting in areas where there would be a net political effect from the reaction in the desired direction. Directionless riots are closer in nature to the 9/11 attacks than they are the Boston Tea Party.

    3. Re:Mod parent up. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      While there is a long history of "productive" riots in the u.s. going all the way back to the 1700s, I agree with your point that these riots are ill targeted. There is no easy focal point for the rage because the entire way society is setup is against this group.

      I think the drug war has a lot to do with it. One arrest and few businesses will hire you for a good job so you can't get money legally to buy products so you are mad at everyone for not hiring you and for carrying things you can't afford to buy but which TV shows you "should" have. On top of that instead of having a neutral police force, you have a police force that actively enforces the law unequally-- calling the white kids parents (no record) while arresting the black kids (so now they have a record) and telling them "trash goes in back."

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  45. That's not a riot. by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Flash mobs are organized on social media... if you do a riot the same way then...

    Sorry, that's not a "riot". If you organize it in a premeditated fashion, it's called "insurrection".

    1. Re:That's not a riot. by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      No, an insurrection requires an intention to subvert the government and take over as the new rulling authority.

      Are you suggesting that the rioters in Baltimore thought they were going to replace the government of Baltimore and the existing political and legal system?

      If not, then there is no insurrection. You need to have the intention to take over for it to be an insurrection.

      This was just a riot. A riot has no specific intentions. Just chaos.

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    2. Re:That's not a riot. by tlambert · · Score: 1

      No, an insurrection requires an intention to subvert the government and take over as the new rulling authority.

      Incorrect; you are confusing an insurrection with a revolution:

      insurrection: noun: a violent uprising against an authority or government.
      rebellion: noun: an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler.
      revolution: noun: a forcible overthrow of a government or social order in favor of a new system.

      An insurrection can lead to a revolution, as can a rebellion, but it's not a sufficient condition. Planned rioting with no political or social goals is insurrection. Unplanned rioting is not insurrection, it is merely rioting.

      Given that these riots were planned via social media, they were insurrection; given that they were against authority, rather than an established government or ruler, they were NOT a rebellion.

    3. Re:That's not a riot. by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      ... *sigh*... okay, then how is this different from a riot?

      I think you're just latching on to insurrection because it has fewer negative connotations which is basically linguistic pathos. I find this type of meaningless rhetoric to be counter productive.

      A thing is what a thing is indifferent to whatever you call it. I can call something great a pile of shit or I can call a pile of shit something great... it is still going to be itself.

      I find no positive or redeeming qualities in this "incident" nor do I find the participants in it to be someone I can sympathize with. I can empathize with anything. I can empathize with a monster if I want. But sympathy? This was stupid.

      You have the King family amongst others citing the whole thing as counter productive.

      Defending a riot accomplishes nothing. This "insurrection" as you wish to style it has no value or meaning.

      Whether or not the police were even guilty of anything is still debatable. And for the sake of argument if they were blameless, consider the moral and ethical consequences to your "insurrection" if it acted without provocation or justification OF ANY KIND.

      Frankly, I think you're sticking your dick in a moral garbage disposal and flipping the switch. It won't end well.

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    4. Re:That's not a riot. by tlambert · · Score: 1

      I think you're just latching on to insurrection because it has fewer negative connotations which is basically linguistic pathos. I find this type of meaningless rhetoric to be counter productive.

      You are incorrect. The difference between a riot and an insurrection is that, for an insurrection, I'm perfectly happy bringing in the National Guard and shooting the assholes.

      A rebellion can be either violent resistance or open resistance. For violent resistance: bring in the national guard. For merely open resistance: put them on national television, and hear what they have to say. Occupy Wall Street was an open resistance rebellion; Rosa Parks was open resistance rebellion; Mahatma Gandhi was open resistance rebellion. The Serbian events which ousted Slobodan Miloevi was open resistance rebellion. Birmingham, Alabama and Selma, Alabama during the U.S. Civil rights movement was open resistance rebellion.

      If it's just a riot, you handle it with local policing.

      A thing is what a thing is indifferent to whatever you call it. I can call something great a pile of shit or I can call a pile of shit something great... it is still going to be itself.

      But involuntary manslaughter, manslaughter, third degree murder, second degree murder, and first degree murder are all murder, aren't they?

      So it shouldn't matter what we call it: if we have the death penalty for first degree murder, we should have the same penalty for involuntary manslaughter, because "A thing is what a thing is indifferent to what you call it"... right?

      Just because you can lump an event into a category does not make it the same as all of the other events you are able to lump into the same broad category.

      If you find yourself putting everything into the same bucket, perhaps the problem isn't the thing, it's the fact that you have too few buckets.

    5. Re:That's not a riot. by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      You haven't differentiated a riot from an insurrection. You're suggesting that a riot is the same as a non-violent sit in now which is not credible.

      Historically, riots have been dealt with using military forces. That goes back to ancient times. The legions were used on occasion if things got really out of hand.

      And in any case, if you use the police as I said in the first place, you don't need the national guard.

      Things only got so out of hand that the national guard had to step in because the fucking stupid mayor said "give them space to destroy"... she later lied about her orders which are on record both in a press release and in her official memos to the police. Now, if you back off and don't deal with a riot, it gets out of hand very quickly.

      Mob mentality is similar to herd mentality in cattle. They're cowards indvividually but they feel invincible in groups. They will retreat if they think their fellows are retreating.

      To break them, you need to panic the crowd and fill them with fear. The same way you herd cattle.

      Were they as stupid as cattle you could use whips and dogs. But because they're human beings... some tear gas will break up the crowd. Anyone dumb or angry enough to chock through the tear gas and want to keep fighting can get tackled and zip tied.

      You do not need to shoot them. Tear gas and zip ties.

      As to whether degrees of murder are all murder... yes and no. They're all murder but they're all different types of murder.

      And in the case of a riot it is not a fucking insurrection. It is a bunch of angry people that created enough chaos that the latent criminal elements in society that are always suppressed by law enforcement and slip their tether and go wild.

      The vast majority of people smashing and stealing stuff are doing it because they want to smash and steal. Not because they want to make a point or because they want take control of the government. That's just anarchy. And you respond to anarchy with order.

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  46. Cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or it could be that the social media promotes riots? So its not really predicting anything if they cause it.

  47. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at it this way. Imagine if every time one of your users either introduced a vulnerability to the network, you were punched in the face. If the vulnerability were exploited, you would be punched twice. The user, on the other hand, would have to take an online 30-minute class to teach them about vulnerabilities. It would be the same class each time they introduced one, even thought it clearly had no effect. Now imagine that you were allowed to walk the user to the class, and punch them for resisting... How many times would you have to get punched in the face before you started taking it out on them? Would that number change if you knew they were intentionally introducing vulnerabilities so they could watch you get punched in the face?

  48. Now that we understand .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that we understand what motivates and causes such mob activities we can flood the networks the 'right kind' of messages and perform 'traffic shapping' of the social groups. ( welcome to a Brave New World !! ) .

  49. Re:Simple by ultranova · · Score: 1

    How many times would you have to get punched in the face before you started taking it out on them?

    And if I did, I'd be taking out the predations of some punch-happy psycho on innocent people because I was too scared to confront the real culprit. That might make me a fine citizen for such bastions of greatness as North Korea or East Germany, but in the West, it just makes me a collaborator - a traitor to myself, my country, and humanity.

    It's one thing to be a coward, it's another to internalize a lie and start actively serving it. At that point you've basically joined a cult, and all your perceptions get twisted by being filtered through its dogma; and because of such induced insanity, joining a cult sometimes ends very, very badly. As we have seen numerous times in the recent past.

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  50. Murder? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The murder of Freddie Grey wasn't all that unusual an occurrence, sadly.

    It's too early to declare Freddie Gray a murder. There are multiple investigations underway and, given the high profile and scrutiny this case now has, I expect those investigations to provide some truthful answers and not standard police boilerplate. Let's wait for some facts before we start making assumptions like murder.

    1. Re:Murder? by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

      I don't care about the legal definition. They killed the man.

      But you clearly have more faith in our justice system than I do. Police in the US are almost never convicted of anything. I'm glad that they have been indicted (a rare thing for murderous police officers in the US), but there's still a very good chance that they'll face close to zero consequences for their actions, regardless of the evidence.

    2. Re:Murder? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are 100% sure they "KIlled the Man"? You have all the facts right? You are omniscient? I think perhaps it might be better to wait for all the facts before declaring it "Murder" or the they "Killed the Man".

  51. Twitter already does that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A brother of mine worked on a project for the military, they monitored a 'statistically full' twitter feed (you need more than a T1 to get a full feed, theirs was only 1 in every 20 or 100 messages), and did detect several 'large public events' that happened well before the news reported on it even on a 7x24 new cycle. The tools allow to select on keywords or #tags that are getting the largest exposure and will let you know what geographic area they are coming from. It was fast, accurate, and inexpensive given the data being monitored. Downside is it is available to anyone, with more accurate data for those willing to pay for it. The bad thing (or good) is anyone can get it, if you have the hutspa to deal with it.

  52. Larry Niven, "Flash Crowd", 1973: prior art by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

    There were riots long before social media, children.

    I can't say whether the police killed this particular man, but taking more than 24 hours for an after-action report that involved a prisoner's death would have been grounds for court-martial where I was trained.

  53. Predicting future riots by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    Well, it's certainly going to be harder than predicting the riots of the past.

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  54. 'Diverse society will fail' --Putnam; by NewYork · · Score: 1

    'Diverse society will fail' --Putnam;
    Let black Police deal with black Culprits;
    http://www.boston.com/news/glo...