In Second Trial, Ex-Goldman Sachs Programmer Convicted of Code Theft
Ars Technica reports that
A former Goldman Sachs programmer—featured in the book Flash Boys—was convicted on Friday for stealing high-speed trading code from the bank.
Sergey Aleynikov, 45, was also acquitted on one count of unlawful duplication, according to Reuters. The New York state jury could not come to a verdict on another count of unlawful use of secret scientific material.
Sergey Aleynikov was also acquitted of unlawful duplication. This was the second trial for Aleynikov in five years. He could face up to four years in prison.
Sergey Aleynikov, 45, was also acquitted on one count of unlawful duplication, according to Reuters. [...]. Sergey Aleynikov was also acquitted of unlawful duplication.
Meanwhile, timothy is still at large....
You were critically hit for no damage. The bruise will look nice, and maybe the scars will make good party talk.
Stealing? So he REMOVED it from them with intent to deny them the use of it? Surely you mean copying? "Unlawful use of secret scientific material." wow, America is full of comedy laws.
Goldman Sacs secret sauce is that when it can't sell bad assets, the ex Goldman Sacs execs in Federal Reserve banks, print money to bail it out. Setting up shell companies that buy the bankrupt assets at high value prices, lending those shell companies printed money, then closing *those* shell companies as bankrupt slowly over time and putting that on the banks books as a loss. Basically handing wealth from real dollar asset companies to Goldmans. Stock trading by its nature is a zero sum game and can't generate wealth without this kind of trickery.
NOW THAT *IS* STEALING. Because it takes wealth away from dollar savers and gives the underlying value to Goldman Sachs.
lets stop high frequency trading.
stock investments that are fleeting, are not investments only gambling.
People hold investments for days,weeks,months, years.
Gamblers change their mind moment to moment.
Speculators & gamblers gaming our financial systems are making a mess of the world.
This includes the US government and the printing of money without any backing value.
The doom and gloom market boys are predicting a real mess if our leadership doesn't make a real change in regard to our debit & deficit.
got your gold, guns, ammo & prepper supplies ?
This is my opinion based on what little I know and understand of the rumors and lies Thanks, Randal
I ran across a great quote the other day.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Nobody gets to steal from Wall Street
Why is Snark Required?
Isn't there a law that forbids being trialed more than once for the same events ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Would someone be informative enough to explain why he couldn't benefit from it ?
Why the desperation to declare that infringement == stealing? The only reason I can see is to invoke the connotation that stealing has. "Infringement" doesn't sound strong enough, so you want to call it something that does.
You're playing word games. "Theft of service" has a specific meaning, in much the same way that infringement does. But you want snip out the "theft" part and treat as a stand-alone word, so that you can then equate it to stealing. Then you want to tie that back to infringement.. It's a parlor game. Start with any word, then take a reasonable synonym for it. Now find a synonym for the new word. Continue to repeat this game and you can "prove" that black is white.
I used to work at a large company that specialized in "e-trading". They paid a fee for access to second order quotes, which meant that they knew about not just the current price of a security, but the actual stream of bid and ask prices from individual investors. If you have access to the stream, you can just write code that slightly underbids and offers slightly overpriced shares, so you get to nickel and dime investors all day with sub-millisecond accuracy. It was basically software that stole money from everyone all day.
I think this verdict sends a great message: do not steal from the leaches of society that have enough money to get other leaches elected.
Look where all this talking got us, baby.
Theft is a word with a single meaning which various business interests like to use in cases which don't involve it to set up an appeal to emotion. Such attempts should be resisted, not excused.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
I think this verdict sends a great message: do not steal from the leaches of society that have enough money to get other leaches elected.
From the comments on this article I get the feeling I'm the only one would read Flash boys. He was developing code, part of it proprietary and part of it open source, which he modified. His intent was to someday separate and release the modified open source code; he didn't have any plans to do anything with the proprietary code. He checked the code into a subversion repository based in Germany, apparently the first free code repository his search engine ranked.
So when the police got hold of this, they heard subversion" repository and concluded obviously this guy is a "subversive". Oh, it's hosted in Germany? Even worse.
When they investigated further, they made a big deal out of the fact that he deleted his bash history. What's he trying to hide? Sounds like a cover up.
That's the level of stupidity and ignorance and we've come to expect of police regarding technical matters. And for what it's worth, I use subversion, (or cvs, git, whatever the project uses) and my .bash_history links to /dev/null. I don't use the feature, so I don't waste the disk space. I guess that makes me a criminal.
What stealing, he took copies of Open Source he had incorporated into the app while he was employed at Goldman Sachs. By rights Goldman Sachs should be charged with possible GPL Violations.
"Serge quickly discovered, to his surprise, that Goldman had a one-way relationship with open source. They took huge amounts of free software off the Web, but they did not return it after he had modified it, even when his modifications were very slight and of general rather than financial use." ref
Lawyer for Ex-Goldman Programmer Criticizes Prosecutors and Firm
Now, if i could write a software, that took 1 cent of each transaction and put it on my back account...
You mean fractions of a cent, kinda like in Superman 3.
Open source isn't the issue. The issue is that, as a programmer for hire, the code he produced during his employment period was not under his own copyright. Any working computer programmer knows this, or if not, should.
He had no right to copy the code he wrote, submit patches, or otherwise contribute back to any open source projects. He needed permission from the company's officers to do any of this.
In particular, he probably even broke the open source licenses for the free software he used. For example, the GPL makes it clear that if you patch the software publicly, you *must* have the right to do so. He clearly had no such right.
All open source projects have licenses. All closed source projects have licenses. Just because you can download some source files or some binaries from somewhere, and someone says it's ok to use it, or you think someone said to someone else it's ok to use it, doesn't make it so.
When you're a programmer for hire, you have no rights to your own code. You're there to write it for the company. It's the company's code. It's their property, and their decision, if it gets shared to anyone. It's also their decision if you can use any software inhouse. And it's their decision if they want to abide by any license terms or not.
You're just a codemonkey.(*)
(*) for most values of "you" where "you" is not a company officer.
If Goldman Sachs were gambling, that wouldn't be so bad. They could and often do lose. What high-frequency trading is all about is arbitrage, buying low in one market and simultaneously selling higher in another. Traditional arbitrage is basically a good thing: it's the natural mechanism by which prices in two widely separated trading markets are pulled into line. HFT is arbitraging the tiny price differentials that develop in close-by markets when any small differential between the price of a Microsoft share on one exchange vs. the price on another exchange. The moral problem with HFT is that it is a totally nonproductive financial activity. No industries are being evaluated, no company finances are being vetted and no investments are being made, while a great deal of computer power is getting wasted trying to find infinitesimally faster ways of comparing prices in different markets.
For those not wanting to watch a video to read a quote:
Thomas Jefferson (to Isaac McPherson, 1813-08-13):
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.
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