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Chrome Passes 25% Market Share, IE and Firefox Slip

An anonymous reader writes: In April 2015, we saw the naming of Microsoft Edge, the release of Chrome 42, and the first full month of Firefox 37 availability. Now we're learning that Google's browser has finally passed the 25 percent market share mark. Hit the link for some probably unnecessarily fine-grained statistics on recent browser trends. Have your browser habits shifted recently? Which browsers do you use most often?

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  1. Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatware by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Chrome is added as bloatware to a lot of products which makes it hardly surprising that it gains an advantage in market percentage.

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  2. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unlike all the others? The most infamous such case was that of Microsoft and Internet Explorer.

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  3. bad statistics by geoskd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is it that when I look at wikipedia , they show all the various counters more or less in agreement, except netapplications which vastly overcounts IE and undercounts Chrome, android and safari? Why is it that of all the various counters netapplications is the one most often quoted, even though they appear to be using a bad methodology.

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    1. Re:bad statistics by benjymouse · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why is it that when I look at wikipedia , they show all the various counters more or less in agreement, except netapplications which vastly overcounts IE and undercounts Chrome, android and safari?

      Maybe because Net Applications is the only counter that tries to correct for known skewed sampling. Net Applications uses CIA internet usage data (how much of the population in each country has access to the Internet) to estimate absolute numbers for each country based on the measures distribution and the "Internet" population number. Net Applications is perfectly honest and upfront about this.

      The other counters just report whatever stats has been collected. They also are perfectly honest and upfront about this.

      Both correcting and not correcting may leave errors. Be your own judge.

      But there's a perfectly good explanation as to *why* the numbers seem not to agree: They do not even claim to illustrate the same thing. Net Applications tries to create a number for "true" global distribution (and risk errors), the others do not even claim to compute such a number. In theory you could take the numbers from, say statcounter, by country and extrapolate the absolute number per country, sum them up by browser and calculate a number similar to net app. Could be interesting to see.

      Also, be aware that there is also great popential for skewed demographics between the counters, not to mention the fact that Net Applications tries to measure unique visitors (discarding repeat visitors within a month) while most of the others just report page impressions. If for instance users of Chrome are more active on the 'net than users of IE, chrome would have a bigger share of page impressions than they would of unique visitors. There is no "right" in this: It all depends on the question you ask: If the Q is "which browser is the most popular?" you would look at unique visitors. If the Q is "which browser is used the most?" you would look at page impressions.

      Why is it that of all the various counters netapplications is the one most often quoted, even though they appear to be using a bad methodology.

      Maybe because they use the *least bad* methodology. The others do not even *pretend* to estimate global usage. They may report what *they* see of usage globally, but none of them claim to know how many users there are in each contry.

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    2. Re:bad statistics by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe because Net Applications is the only counter that tries to correct for known skewed sampling.

      They have to correct for skewed sampling because their sample size is so small, especially for non-U.S. sites. Of the big metrics sites:

      StatCounter monitors over 3 million sites (reports page hits)
      W3Counter monitors over 70,000 sites (reports unique visitors per month)
      Net Applications monitors over 40,000 sites (reports unique visitors per month)

      Net Applications is the only one which reports IE still in the lead. Which given the sample sizes I think more calls into question their correcting algorithms than it does StatCounter's sample.

    3. Re:bad statistics by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Maybe because Net Applications is the only counter that tries to correct for known skewed sampling. Net Applications uses CIA internet usage data (how much of the population in each country has access to the Internet) to estimate absolute numbers for each country based on the measures distribution and the "Internet" population number. Net Applications is perfectly honest and upfront about this.

      And yet if I look at StatCounter's map function, showing the leading browser in each country Chrome leads in most of the world. IE only leads in Japan, South Korea, Swaziland (pop. 1.1mio), Greenland (pop. 55000) and Antarctica (5000 visitors). Firefox has a few strongholds like Germany, Indonesia, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Iran and a bunch of countries in Africa, but the only place IE is ahead of Chrome in second place is Iran (pop. 78mio). With Chrome winning on walkover in Europe, South America, North America, Africa and Oceania and taking massive wins in China, India and Russia I don't see how any possible weighting of StatCounter's numbers would put IE on top.

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    4. Re:bad statistics by reve_etrange · · Score: 2

      When I look around me I see the prices of food, electricity, and a whole host of other things I might buy frequently increasing (or the sizes of things like food decreasing while the price stays the same) by many percent a year.

      You simply aren't seeing that - instead your wages have been stagnating so the extremely modest inflation we've been experiencing seems increasingly onerous. It's the proportion of your budget these things require has been increasing significantly, not their prices.

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  4. Re:Whichever one . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    That'd be FF with a slug of extensions like noscript, adblock, ghostery, refcontrol, betterprivacy, maybe some others.

    It's your best bet right now. Not sure if it's still true, but not too long ago the adblock extensions for Chrome would still download the ads, just not display them, which is useless as it still lets the tracking companies see everywhere you go.

  5. Android by AndyCanfield · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to test compatability between Chrome, Opera, Firefox, and Internet Explorer, as a desktop browser. But now we have one PC and two phones and a tablet, and Chrome is native on all the mobile devices. That's where Firefox is losing to Chrome. Personally I installed Firefox on my Android Tablet, but Chrome still lurks in the background.

    1. Re:Android by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would never use the native browser on Android. That's like just giving up to Google entirely on privacy. I almost always use Firefox and I NEVER log into any Google services on Firefox/Android.

      Just cuz my phone resides in the company town doesn't mean I have to be totally locked in.

  6. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    Well, yes, it's like I.E. in that respect. Where I work it's now the mandatory browser.

    Is that the mantle of praise now?

  7. Re:Which browser? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    Google's Web Services aren't designed to 'service' the user.

    Remember that Science Fiction Story: "To Serve Man"?

  8. Re:Firefox by tepples · · Score: 2

    If you have failing sight, you could set your system DPI bigger.

    If you're concerned about webmasters using the px unit, consider that CSS defines 1px not as a hardware pixel but as 1/2688 of the distance from the eye to the display. This means it'll respect DPI as much as anything else does.

  9. I've switched back to Firefox by Parker+Lewis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I switched back to Firefox few months ago.

    In Ubuntu, Chrome is a resource hog. I usually have several tabs opened at the same time. Just compared the RAM usage: 7GB in Chrome, 1.1 in Firefox.

    Additionally, Firefox is a bit faster (in UI), and it just respects my look and feel (colors, borders, font sizes, etc).

    And for address bar searches, Chrome privileges the google search instead of navigation history, which I really don't like (I usually visit the same sites, and even with several hits in a day for the same site starting with the same word, Chrome prefers, for few ones, to search when I type the word instead of display the known URL as first result).

    I just changed few settings in Firefox (increased scroll speed, click in URL behaviour to select the entire address), and voilà.

    Just annoying that every Google service keep suggesting to use Chrome until you dismiss this message.

  10. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's the default browser in many Android devices, is that what you're talking about?

    If so, then he's wrong; the figures referenced here are for desktop browser usage. There are a separate set of figures for mobile/tablet (Safari at 40%, Chrome at 30%).

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  11. Firefox - the new UI is killing marketshare by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Firefox's market share has been dropping ever since the new UI was introduced.

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    One would think that the Mozilla developers would take their heads out of their collective arse and look at the reality --- the new UI is little more than a Chrome clone, and a poor one at that. If people wanted the new UI, they'd move to the better implementation of it, i.e., Chrome.

    Oh wait, they are moving to Chrome....

  12. Firefox's downward slide... by taxman_10m · · Score: 2

    Is it all post Eich or pre Eich and/or did Eich's departure hasten the decline?

  13. Very very very poor multi-tab open by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Chrome is truly awful at opening multiple tabs at once on my mac. unbelievably slow loading times compared to Safari. And when a page is loading in one tab, other tabs don't continue to update swiftly. I find this really a weirds because chrome uses a separate process for each tab so one would think they would not step on each other. My guess, wild, is that tabs are contending for some resource like network or GPU and actually slowing each other down. In general I much prefer safari or firefox, but I use chrome because I also own a chromebook and I can't run safari on that. Basically, google is doing the same thing microsoft did to make IE dominant by not allowing other browsers on their platform.

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    1. Re:Very very very poor multi-tab open by war4peace · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Chrome has a lot of issues:
      1. It's a fucking RAM guzzler. 14 simple tabs eat up 2 GB RAM after 24h of usage. If I leave the browser open for a week, it's going to eat up over 4 GB RAM with the same tabs open, without working with any of them. I inadvertently discovered that when I went vacationing for a week and left Chrome running on my PC. Firefox, with the same tabs, eats 600MB RAM (as reported by Chrome's own about:memory).
      2. Opening several tabs at once slows the OS to a crawl until they all load, which could take up to a minute (on a fast PC).
      3. Tabs crash suddenly even if they're not used for a while (or maybe because of that).

      With that being said, I depend too much of its deep interconnection with other Google services and it's amazingly helpful in managing my data, so I'll keep grumbling about its shortcomings while using it.

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  14. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by narcc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've seen it included with CCleaner and Avast. It's a plague.

  15. FF by markdavis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >"Have your browser habits shifted recently?

    No because

    1) I don't want Google even further spying on me or my users.
    2) Chrome is not open source, further allowing Google to do who-knows-what.
    3) Chromium (which IS open source) apparently has build issues and isn't even in the normal Fedora repos.
    4) Chrome is not community driven.
    5) I hate the minimalistic UI with zero user control of Chrome.

    >" Which browsers do you use most often? "

    Only Firefox. It is multiplatform, open-source, community driven, fast, available in every repo, secure, and still has much better addon/customization support. This is not to say I don't have issues with Firefox- them trying to turn it into Chrome and pulling crap like not allowing us to have tabs-on-bottom, having the menus, hiding the URL prefixes, combining the buttons, etc is very irritating (yes, I know about Classic Theme Restorer). And the memory footprint of all browsers is crazy now. I also don't appreciate them throwing unnecessary crap into the browser like the web developer stuff, the "hello" junk, and other things.... all of which should be add-ons.

  16. Re: Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most nerds have 2 parents

  17. sudo apt-get install chromium-browser by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Chromium (which IS open source) apparently has build issues and isn't even in the normal Fedora repos.

    Fedora's fault. In Xubuntu, a Debian derivative, all I have to do is sudo apt-get install chromium-browser.

    And the memory footprint of all browsers is crazy now.

    Is this the fault of the browser or of the sites you visit? Back when sites weren't as image- and script-heavy, like Better MF Website, a graphical browser could actually fit on a 16 MB machine. Nowadays sites are covered with carousels full of high-DPI photos, plus developers think they still need jQuery and all its bloat just to get the site out the door faster.

    I also don't appreciate them throwing unnecessary crap into the browser like the web developer stuff

    Browser developers distribute the debugger with all copies of the browser to keep sites from intentionally detecting a debugger's presence and stopping working if one is found. If everyone has a debugger, the site operator can't block people who want to tinker, learn, and make a site more usable without blocking everyone.

  18. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, that many people still use IE?!

    Why wouldn't they? It's right there, on their computer, the moment they buy it.

    Forgive them, for they know not what else they can install.

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  19. Chrome is the new IE by Espectr0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some pages only load on it, because startups often require features that are only available on it. The new whatsapp for web comes to mind, at first it was available only for chrome.

    Computer manufacturers often bundle chrome preinstalled.
    In my country Venezuela few people went to download firefox, but venezuelans love google search, so you see ads to upgrade from your old IE 8 to chrome.

    Here are my website's stats (insurance company):
    Chrome (55.31%)
    Firefox (21.87%)
    Internet Explorer (19.00%)

    OS:
    Windows (89.72%)
    Android (4.80%)
    Macintosh (2.57%)
    iOS (1.54%)
    Linux (0.54%)

    Windows versions:
    7 (60.97%)
    XP (29.26%)
    8.1 (6.15%)
    8 (2.33%)

  20. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by Dog-Cow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forgive them for being pragmatic instead of dogmatic. Forgive them for using a perfectly good browser that's preinstalled instead of wading into some obscure nerd-war against Microsoft. In other words, forgive them for being normal people.

  21. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's also often a corporate standard, especially for companies and their clients with older, Windows specific software tools. And many proxies are configured to lie about the web client they are proxying for, in order to provide access to upstream websites which demand IE. There are many examples, such as:

            http://unix.stackexchange.com/...

  22. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you even know why Microsoft is creating a new browser? I'll tell you: It's because IE has a BIG reputation for being prone to security breach, in addition to being very uncooperative with web standards to the point of very badly breaking them.

  23. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the browserchoice bullshit in europe expired at the end of last year... so all non-microsoft browsers, like firefox, lost that free exposure... so no os default like windows, no pay-for-installs distribution like chrome, means firefox falls. not surprising

    So from a capitalist perspective, Firefox is the number one browser, because Firefox is the most frequently chosen browser for people who on purpose install a particular browser.

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  24. Re:Firefox by tompaulco · · Score: 5, Funny

    CSS defines 1px not as a hardware pixel but as 1/2688 of the distance from the eye to the display

    I just tested this on my system and it didn't work. I backed off from the display about 5 feet and the font did not change at all.

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  25. Re:I would use any browser that offers the followi by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Adblock Edge, Ghostery, HTTPS Everywhere, NoScript.

    That's all I want, and to not have the interface shift around every version.

    And a menu bar on the top, please.

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  26. Re:Subject to change without notice by byuu · · Score: 2

    If by old-school Firefox you mean, "eight years prior to its existence Netscape Navigator", then yes.

    I really wanted to switch to Seamonkey; but: it can't do fullscreen video playback, it has no "inspect element" functionality, and its cookie/popup manager is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. It's also not fun writing a custom extraction tool to get the resource files out of their intentionally-corrupted omni.ja(r) file to drag the interface kicking and screaming out of 1995. Learning magic trick with userChrome.css only gets you so far with Seamonkey, but can't make the tab bar even remotely sensible.

  27. Re:Zooming in causes a horizontal scroll bar by byuu · · Score: 2

    And how about this new-age bullshit trend on sites like medium.com that think you want to look at a literal, full-screen image of some unrelated stock art picture before you get to a single word of the actual story; followed by repeated 1920x1080 stock art for every three paragraphs of text?

    View -> Page Style -> No Style is a godsend on some of these sites.

  28. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

    I don't think it's right to call the default browser that comes with a device bloatware.

  29. Re:Apple chooses not to port Safari by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

    Apple didn't even have the courtesy to say they were discontinuing Safari on Windows, they just stopped releasing versions. So fuck them.

  30. everybody who is forced to, that's who by swschrad · · Score: 2

    Mordac and his associates as Preventers of IT at my company insists and demands that only an older IE exists on our machines. so half the websites I visit lock the machine up. this is, of course, the usual silliness about keeping creaky old code, as well as the insistance that IE is the only safe choice with all the mayhem out there.

    at home, I have given up on resize-happy Firefox and use Chrome exclusively. if Mozilla would fix that freakin' bug, I might reinstall it.

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  31. Firesheep attack by tepples · · Score: 2

    Would you want other users to be able to post as Dog-Cow? Because if you don't subscribe, you don't get HTTPS, and if you don't use HTTPS when posting, others can intercept and clone your session cookie.

  32. Working around a missing Kinect sensor by tepples · · Score: 2

    Most PCs do not include range finding hardware. If they do include a webcam, it isn't stereoscopic. So you'll need to tell the window system explicitly how far away you plan to sit. Divide 2688 by your viewing distance in inches (1 m = 39.37 in), increase it somewhat if you have poor vision, and put that into your window system's DPI field.

  33. Re:Chrome - the web browser that's added as bloatw by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sigh....do you not remember your history AT ALL, not even a teeny tiny bit?

    Alright boys and girls, time for a lesson from the greybeard society...You took IE NOT because of any bundling, because, just as was the case with many other MSFT early successes the other guy did something REALLY fucking stupid. MSFT was able to easily win the browser wars because Netscape (which for the record I bought and used) went and shot themselves square in the face by going "Ya know what? Lets just shitcan our browser that has made us all this money and do a top to bottom rewrite, fuck we don't need a 'plan B' because our shit don't stink and we are super geniuses!" which gave us Nutscrape 4, so called because it would have been less painful to scrape your nuts with a cheese grater than have to use that abortion for any length of time! It was so buggy if you saw 4 websites in a row without crashing the OS (yes not just the browser, it leaked so much memory it would BSOD the OS like it was nothing) it was a miracle, it was a fucking disaster!

    So nobody had to "force IE" which just FYI IERadicator was free and would remove IE in less than 30 seconds, which was one of the things they busted MSFT for, the "you can't remove IE" bullshit, you took it because your "choices" was a free and not nearly as buggy IE, a buggy as fuck NS4 for $$, or ad ridden Opera, again unless you ponied up $$ but Opera did things in such a bizarre way that many websites (and yes this was before "works best in IE" existed) just came out all wonked, it was not fun at all in those days....so we took IE, not because it was great, but because the alternatives were MUCH worse. Now that there is choice wadda ya know, we actually choose and no browser dominates anymore...yay!

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