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Two Gunman Killed Outside "Draw the Prophet" Event In Texas
cosm writes: ABC news reports that two armed gunman were shot and killed outside a "Draw the Prophet" event hosted in Garland Texas. From the article: "The event, sponsored by the American Freedom Defense Initiative, featured cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, and scheduled speakers included Dutch MP Geert Wilders, who has campaigned to have the Quran banned in the Netherlands. The winner of the contest was to receive $10,000." In light of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks, the Lars Vilks Muhammad drawing controversies, and the American show South Park's satirical depiction of the state of Muhammad phobia in the US and elsewhere, is there an end in sight to the madness associated with the representation of this religious figure?
Yeah. Wilders has a large armed guard in the Netherlands too, where the gun homicide rate is seven percent of that of Texas.
And Netherlands gun violence is high by European standards - a lot of the crime is related to North-African gangs.
hey but he waited until she was 10 before consummating the marriage so there's that.
its "prophet" who married a 6 year old.
Oh please. Political marriages of young girls were common in those days. He waited until she was nine to consummate it.
No, it is not "explicitly banned in Islam".
It may or may not be a sign of "grave disrespect", but so what? Having your beliefs disrespected is part of life, whether you're a Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, or atheist.
Come on now, if you try very hard to get people angry why the shock when it happens?
I am in no way defending either the loud xenophobic fascist Wilders or anyone that wants to take a shot at him.
Drawing a cartoon of Muhammad that violates the extremists' sensibilities is trivial. AFAIK a stick figure labeled by name or "the prophet" will do. Sending these people into a murderous rage is unbelievably easy, and that's the point: it illustrates just how dangerous to (and incompatible with western society) they really are.
Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire have the most white populations, and their gun-related homicide rates are 0.3, 0.8 and 0.4 per 100,000 respectively. That's between 1.5 and 4 times the gun related homicide rate in the Netherlands. And that's the Netherlands as a whole, not a conveniently cherry picked stat that I've allowed for the US. I couldn't find a racial breakdown for Dutch murder rates either, not that it makes a difference.
I've had to use gun-related murder stats as I couldn't find comparable numbers for gun related violence.
She became pregnant at 9.
There is no reason to assume that he didn't consumate the marriage on their marriage night.
its "prophet" who married a 6 year old.
Oh please. Political marriages of young girls were common in those days. He waited until she was nine to consummate it.
Ummmmm no they weren't. It was one of many scandals that pedophile Mohammad explained away with "Allah told me to do it". Mohammad had a "revelation" to marry her.
It simply isn't a case that "That's what they did back then". The Koran very explicitly states that Muslims must follow the "sunnah" or example of Mohammad. It is in the Koran so that means FOREVER! These are recorded in what are called the hadiths (orally transmitted information about Mohammad's life and actions) . So Muslims are OBLIGED to do everything contained in hadiths that are sahih (trusted). Mohammad was recorded literally dozens of times as having sex with a little 9 year old girl in these sahih hadiths. Ever wondered why ISIS, the Taliban and other fundamentalist Muslims are into marrying little girls. Just following the example of pedophile Mohammad which is FOREVER.
So marrying and having sex with little 9 year old girls like Aysha is a "perfect" example for Muslims THEN NOW AND FOREVER.
It gets even more disgusting and worse!!!!!! Mohammad was even more depraved than "merely" having vaginal sex with little 9 year old girls.
He was performing "Muta Kathat" on Aisha when she was 6 when he first married her. BTW, "Muta Kathat" was anal sex and masturbation between the thighs.
Ask a Muslim about "Muta Kathat". They either will honestly not know what it is (fewer than one or two percent have ever read the hadiths or Mohammad's biography the sira.. only about 10% of Muslims have ever read the Quran!) or they will lie about it with the hope that you didn't actually check out what was written (and Islam obliges Muslims to lie 'if of help to Islam' - rather difficult to get converts when your founder in the modern day would be on a sexual offenders register or with a prison file stamped "never to be released").
Not only was he performing pedophile sex acts with a little 6 year old girl (yes, it's 6, not 9!!!), he was performing pedophile acts on little boys, The hadiths explain that one away with some nonsense about the "miraculous and soothing effects" of Mohammad's saliva.
Further, Mohammad was a necrophile, having sex with his dead aunt Fatima "to make her a mother of the believers".
He even was a cross-dresser, dressing up in the clothes of his wives. His favorite dressing up was in the clothing of the above mentinoed Aysha. You may start asking questions of Mohammad being married for more than 10 years with more than 10 wives yet only achieving one child!
I didn't even discuss other parts of Mohamamd's "achievements" such as his rapes, his murders of old women poets for writing satires, his genocides against other tribes or his banditry.
No, I'm not "anti-muslim". I feel that Muslims are in fact the biggest victims if Islam. Imagine belonging to a cult (yes, Islam fulfills all the academic criteria of being a cult such as death if you leave it, exclusivity, avoiding association and marriage with non-members, substantial efforts into recruitment and so on) whose Koran tells you that family members are OBLIGED to shun you if you leave and even tells its members to kill you if you don't recant on your decision to be an apostate. Please take your bigoted "raghead" comments elsewhere (I didn't say "racist", Islam is not an ethnicity, it is a "faith").
Posting as an Anonymous Coward for good reason. If you think that fundamentalist Muslims get upset about cartoons, you should see them when you point out explicitly where in the Koran, the hadiths and the sira the things I mentioned above are said.
Netherlands gun violence is high by European standards
And guess who is doing the shooting...
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Those Moroccan kids here in the "gangs" are NOT MUSLIMS
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Them Moroccan gangbangers are not moslems? Or you prefer to categorize them as Buddhists / Hindus, or even ... Christians?
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Why do people always look to "gun-related" murder stats as though being murdered by a gun is somehow worse than being murdered by other means. The intentional homicide rate in the Netherlands in 2012 (latest easy to find stats) was 0.9. In Vermont, it was 1.3. Higher, yes, but since the numbers we're playing with are single-digits (8 in Vermont in 2012), that's rather skewed. Looking back at recent history, there were years where it was as high at 16 and as low as 6. If you go back into the 1960s, it was as low as 1 or 2, and now we're getting into Iceland territory.
The Netherlands is certainly its own country, but the better comparison to the United States is Europe as a whole. Europe comes in at 3.0 and the US comes in at 4.7. Again, looking at all intentional homicides; not just gun-related (because being murdered by a kitchen knife leaves you just as dead as being murdered by a .22). Higher, yes, but when you look at regions with analogous geographic sizes, populations, and cultural variations, the numbers don't express any ludicrously high differences.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
Atheists do not believe in a shared mythos. Atheism is nothing more than lack of belief in a god.
Given the uses for a gun exactly what use would you have for one that would merit bringing it to work with you?
If you are so afraid that you need to carry a gun to work with you, then you may want to consider moving to a safer area.
Life long gun owner here, but I see no reason to bring one to work with me.
As a TX CHL holder, the main reason I'd have a pistol at work is that I'd like to have it with me before and after work. Those two times are when most of the running around/errands get done, and if I can't have it at work, it would mean driving home, getting it, and going back out again. I don't particularly like leaving it in the car (secured or not), because it's just too easy to break into, and too difficult to get an IWB holster on and off unseen while sitting in a car.
It might take them a while, but forced submission does work. Forced submission has worked throughout history, and it's working today.
Three stages of Jihad.
1) when in tiny minority, say you just want peace.
2) when in a more sizable minority, demand special privileges for Islam.
3) when in a majority (or close), take the gloves off
It is a brilliant strategy that has worked liked all hell for 1400 years, and is still working.
Your guess is wrong. It was held at this venue because of a "Stand With The Prophet" event that was held at the same place after the Charlie Hebdo massacre. The purpose of that event was to highlight that the media and American Islamaphobes are the reason that Islam has such a bad reputation in the west. More can be read here.
Typical pseudo-scholastic approach to Islam which is ironically peddled by our own scholars - thankfully the minority, but the braying of the ass always seems to attract the most attention.
I really recommend a book by a chap called "Misquoting Muhammad" Johnathan AC Brown who is a professor of Islam at a university in America.
It will answer your questions about the marriage to Aisha - not sure about the cross-dressing part you may have to give some corroboration for that one.
The key is look at the world in a relative manner, not absolute one - was the marriage in those days (and for the hundreds of years to follow) considered acceptable?
The answer is yes. The keyword here is anachronism.
You will see in history that as values changes attitudes then change. Mohammad was attacked for being a mad-man and crazed lunatic, before being called a "paedofile" - this came later as attitudes to marriages changed in Europe.
If you are sincere in your research, you will buy the book I recommended and read further into this issue, but if you are happy with a Coca-Cola understanding of Islam then do continue the sex Jihad.
Signed, just another Muslim.
Apparently, you need a little remedial math yourself. The US murder rate is 4.7/100000. Europe's murder rate is 3.0/100000. That's already not so different. Now, about half of US murders are committed by African Americans, who make up about 1/8 of the population. If you adjust the rate of that population to the national average, you get a US murder rate of less than 2.7/100000.
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Europeans manage to murder each other just fine despite strict gun control. The population that owns guns in the US legally and that tells you "Fuck You" is not the population that commits murders. In fact, in the US, increases in gun ownership and sales have correlated with decreases in murder rate.
If you want fewer extremists, integration is the best approach. By isolating them, belittling them, and then provoking them you're creating the problem you're pretending to solve. This is true for any group of people, of course, not just Muslims, as we've recently seen. Oppressed groups tend to fight against oppression.
How'd that work out with Hitler?
You do not understand human nature or human history, and are thus unqualified to tell anyone what the best way to peace is.
War is part of the human problem solving toolset. Right now, Islam is making war on Western civilization and Freedom of Thought. All I'm hearing from you is to "Submit" to that violence to get less of it ... which funnily enough is what "Islam" means - "Submission".