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Ubuntu 15.04 Received Well By Linux Community
jones_supa writes: Canonical released Ubuntu 15.04 a couple of weeks ago, and it seems that this release has been a success. The community is mostly reporting a nice experience, which is important since this is the first Ubuntu release that uses systemd instead of upstart. At Slashdot, people have been very nervous about systemd, and last year it was even asked to say something nice about it. To be fair, Ubuntu 15.04 hasn't changed all that much. Some minor visual changes have been implemented, along with a couple of new features, but the operating system has remained pretty much the same. Most importantly it is stable, fast, and it lacks the usual problems accompanied by new releases.
Honestly though, you're clearly not who Ubuntu us going after.
I'm running 14.something in a VM because I was curious about it.
As far as I can tell, there is no root account I could log into directly, the system seems to be set up to cater to desktop users who don't know or care what systemd and gnome 3 even are.
It seems a decent enough desktop platform, but I'd hardly call it a nerd hobbyists platform.
In which case, chances are the people who this is targeted at simply don't care about the collective nerd angst about how Ubuntu isn't pure enough, or geeky enough.
This sounds like complaining that building blocks don't adhere to the best practices of structural engineering. It's kind of missing the point.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
I've never seen so much evangelizing about a particular subsystem change in Linux before, which makes me think that unlike other past changes, this one needs it rather than having it's own benefits do the selling...
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
A Softpedia article gets linked to Slashdot story these days; can Slash-vertisement get any lower than this?
And that's exactly why Linux will never take over the desktop space. Every time a distro is poised to do it, the linux userbase turns on it for one reason or another.
I actually rooted for Linux early on (no pun intended). But it didn't take long for me to realize that the Linux community was Linux's own worst enemy. MS and Apple are nothing next to the damage done by the Linux's own users every time they get into another fucking childish squabble and produce yet another one of thousands of confusing forks.
They get off on being outsiders and being different. So anything that threatens to take their precious OS mainstream in any way is seen as a threat. MS and Apple aren't the ones holding it back at this point. It's being held back by its own douchebag user community and a confusing morass of competing distros and desktops.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
I always tell new folk around here that there are three stages of competency in System Administration.
There is the newbie, that is afraid to do much because they don't know what they can do.
There are the old farts, that don't do much because they know what they can do.
And then there are the really dangerous ones in between, who do too much because they think they know what they can do.
How come Slashdot never gets Slashdotted?
I'm pretty sure the entire point of the article was that a good systemd flamewar is good for the hit count.
I've seen a lot of posts in this thread about how people have massively hosed a system while logged in directly as root. I'd be curious to know exactly what command(s) caused the issue. I'm guessing some variant of rm or dd. How would sudo have prevented it? I log in as root directly when I know I need to do something that requires it. My root shell colors the prompt red as a reminder. I log out when I'm done. I think at the end of the day, not hosing up your system is best prevented by constant awareness when you're logged in as root or running something as root. You could just as easily trash your box with a mis-typed sudo command.
The 'article' is an editorial presented as something to be taken as representative of the community at large. My impression is that Canonical is losing mindshare quickly to Mint on the desktop, that Canonical really doesn't care that much about desktop anyway as they pin their business hopes and dreams on servers and embedded (where it also is failing to get much traction business wise).
Note that none of this has to do with the parents referenced points: Gnome 3 (which is largely defined by Gnome Shell, which Ubuntu doesn't even use by default) and systemd (I'm sympathetic, but not sure it's making much of a difference either way in the desktop distribution selection right now).
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Given the (almost exclusive) emotional appeal that anti-systemd people tend to use I wouldn't place them in the "higher competence class". Wannabes and script kiddies is a better classification.
There are a lot to criticize in systemd (as in all subsystems) but "it doesn't follow a mythological philosophy" isn't one of those. Nor is the commonly repeated _erroneous_ claims that is popular.
It's not that being outsiders is the goal, it's that being popular isn't the goal. If a change will make things better for grandma and not affect me, then fine. If it'll make things better for grandma but affects my workflow negatively, then to hell with grandma, let her use Windows or Mac.
(Personally, systemd doesn't affect my workflow so I'll let others argue about it... but if you start talking about something like hiding configuration options and advanced features, I'll be objecting.)
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