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The World's Most Wasteful Megacity

merbs writes: The world's most wasteful megacity is a densely populated, steadily aging, consumerist utopia where we buy, and throw away, a staggering amount of stuff (abstract). Where some faucet, toilet, or pipe, is constantly leaking in our apartments. Where an armada of commerce-beckoning lights are always on. Where a fleet of gas-guzzling cars still clog the roadways. I, along with my twenty million or so neighbors, help New York City use more energy, suck down more water, and spew out more solid waste than any other mega-metropolitan area.

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  1. Wrong point. by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    New York is only the most wasteful global megacity because it's full of Americans. The more important point is that New York City is the most environmentally friendly place in the United States, when measured by pollution emitted per capita. (See this list of CO2 emissions by state: New York State, whose population is tightly focused in NYC, has twice the CO2 emissions per capita as the more sprawling development in Florida, and one New Yorker is worth *four* Texans.

    To improve its environmental standing, America needs *more* dense urbanized areas like NYC, not less.

    1. Re:Wrong point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      also.. cities in asia don't count waste, therefore it doesn't happen.

      i still can't understand why anyone would want to live in such a smelly, high-traffic, crowded, noisy concrete jungle voluntarily. does hustle and bustle impress people that much? oh and gang violence is basically unheard-of in quiet suburban and rural areas. and having a yard for your child to play in is something they really seem to appreciate.

      really in this area we have such crimes as "a drunken man was cited for disturbing the peace and public drunkenness because he was loudly arguing with his trash can" - apparently it was too full and wouldn't close and he tried multiple times to do something that wasn't going to work. oh I saw another one about a dog that defecated in a park where dog owners are supposed to use pooper-scoopers. don't new yorkers wish they had crimes like that? or do they need the extra thrill of danger to feel .. complete?

      oh and then there's the fact that at any particular time, NYC only has about 3 days of food on hand. any sort of disaster happens that can disrupt shipping, even for just a little while, and things are going to get really very ugly. people who are starving or whose children are going hungry will do all kinds of things they normally would never consider.

      so do most live there because they were born there and it's all they've ever known? or did most residents migrate there?

  2. Apples, meet oranges. by scottbomb · · Score: 1, Insightful

    New York City is probably more productive than most of the other cities cited in the article based solely on their raw populations.

    1. Re:Apples, meet oranges. by thesupraman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um... No.

      Tokyo and NYC may well have the highest GDP, but how much of that do you think is local, and how much is attributes revenue because companies are housed there, and therefore it gets attributed their external revenues? How much of it is banks that are 'based' in NYC and yet do most of there earning externally?
      Corporates? other national chains? etc?

      I would suggest that actual production capability of NYC is actually quite low, as there will be very little real production there, even if you count IP creation, etc.

    2. Re: Apples, meet oranges. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      New York's GDP-per-capita isn't even in the top ten globally. It's not even the highest in the U.S. London comes out on top, with Washington in 2nd place.

      Would that be the London in Arkansas, California, Kentucky,Minnesota, Ohio, Ontario, Texas, West Virginia, or Wisconsin?

  3. So what? Feel free to move into a cave. by Chas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, what do you expect? NYC (in one form or another) has been there for FOUR HUNDRED YEARS (the area was first settled in 1624). It's been a massive metropolitan settlement for the better part of the last two hundred.

    It's not as if someone went back to 1700 or so and started out with a city planning commission and 2015-level civil engineering technology.
    So yes, the city's going to be ANYTHING but efficiently run, plumbed, or laid out.

    There are also 8.5 MILLION PEOPLE in the NYC metropolitan area.
    As part of the US Northeast Megalopolis, it's the center of a population of 53 million people.

    Even if everyone was a card-carrying Greenpeace member, that's STILL a metric fuckton of waste. Urban living simply can't be environmentally neutral.

    But, for that matter, living in a cave isn't environmentally neutral either.
    Even with the cleanest, most environmentally conscious methods of living close to nature, over time a primitive community's garbage midden will overwhelm it.

    But hey, if you want to volunteer to be one of the people forced to shiver in a cave because modern society is so wasteful, be my guest.

    A better and more humane course of action would be to adapt over time. Nothing lasts forever, not even NYC. It can, slowly, be rebuilt and repurposed, given a long enough time frame.

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  4. Re:So what? Feel free to move into a cave. by Guy+Harris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, what do you expect? NYC (in one form or another) has been there for FOUR HUNDRED YEARS (the area was first settled in 1624). It's been a massive metropolitan settlement for the better part of the last two hundred.

    It's not as if someone went back to 1700 or so and started out with a city planning commission and 2015-level civil engineering technology. So yes, the city's going to be ANYTHING but efficiently run, plumbed, or laid out.

    As opposed to London, Paris, and Tokyo, which were designed and built during the last 50 years, and thus are more efficient.

  5. Re:Start spreadin' the rants... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Boy, the author is really mad, that's the only fact that clear here. Why he can't show the trash and energy usage per capita? Probably because he really doesn't have that data.

    NYC is one of the most visited cities in the world. Much energy is used, and much trash produced, by large numbers of people that don't live there. How about at least considering the number of people that commute into the city every day for work as well. I'm sure there are a list of other considerations as well, like how the data is collected for each city and if it represents the city proper or its metropolitan area, or if you can even trust data from some countries.

    Its fine to be mad, but if one can't get past it enough to even think about the 'why' then maybe one needs to take a breather.

  6. Re:Start spreadin' the rants... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not to mentioned, that New York is an aged Metropolis. The ones in Europe, were ravaged by Two World Wars so they were rebuilt with more modern technology. The ones in other parts of the world are much newer.

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  7. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't that the truth?

    I knew a guy who got a job at a big law firm in Manhattan, but had to move across country on three day's notice to take it. The firm found him a place to live that was two hours away and told him that was pretty normal. He lasted about 2 years before he was completely burned out, divorced, etc, even though he loved the work.

      I've been offered jobs that would require either (a) spending half of my income on a tiny apartment and/or sharing with 7 other strangers or (b) an hour+ commute to work, and been told I was crazy for passing up such opportunities. And I say go f*** themselves. Even if it were something I completely loved to do, the tradeoffs aren't even close to worth it. There have to be other options.

    Now, I'm not a big-city person to begin with -- give me peace, quiet, seclusion, and starry skies please! -- but I'd certainly consider reasonable or short-term concessions. Losing 10-20 hours a week for no reason and for years on end is crazy. And if you get defensive about it because that's what you yourself do, you're crazy too. Sheesh.