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The Medical Bill Mystery

HughPickens.com writes: Elisabeth Rosenthal writes in the NY Times that she has spent the past six months trying to figure out a medical bill for $225 that includes "Test codes: 105, 127, 164, to name a few. CPT codes: 87481, 87491, 87798 and others" and she really doesn't want to pay it until she understands what it's for. "At first, I left messages on the lab's billing office voice mail asking for an explanation. A few months ago, when someone finally called back, she said she could not tell me what the codes were for because that would violate patient privacy. After I pointed out that I was the patient in question, she said, politely: 'I'm sorry, this is what I'm told, and I don't want to lose my job.'" Bills variously use CPT, HCPCS or ICD-9 codes. Some have abbreviations and scientific terms that you need a medical dictionary or a graduate degree to comprehend. Some have no information at all. A Seattle resident received a $45,000 hospital bill with the explanation "miscellaneous."

So what's the problem? "Medical bills and explanation of benefits are undecipherable and incomprehensible even for experts to understand, and the law is very forgiving about that," says Mark Hall. "We've not seen a lot of pressure to standardize medical billing, but there's certainly a need." Hospitals and medical clinics say that detailed bills are simply too complicated for patients and that they provide the information required by insurers. But with rising copays and deductibles, patients are shouldering an increasing burden. One recent study found that up to 90 percent of hospital bills contain errors. An audit by Equifax found that hospital bills totaling more than $10,000 contained an average error of $1,300. "There are no industry standards with regards to what information a patient should receive regarding their bill," says Cyndee Weston, executive director of the American Medical Billing Association. "The software industry has pretty much decided what information patients should receive, and to my knowledge, they have not had any stakeholder input. That would certainly be a worthwhile project for our industry."

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  1. nonsense by jjeffries · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Screw this crap... Single payer soon, single provider eventually. Let's try to be a first-world country and not just the world's largest provider of bomb craters.

    1. Re:nonsense by EzInKy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "holding private companies accountable is the solution"

      So government regulation is the answer then?

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    2. Re:nonsense by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Boy, having socialized health care has really taught Israel, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Japan, Denmark, etc etc etc a lesson. That's why they're all full of "Bolsheviks" now. Hell, you go to Singapore, and it's nothing but Bolsheviks all the way down.

      You stupid SOB.

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    3. Re:nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And most British people look on the American healthcare system as a stark warning about what happens without an NHS.

  2. "the software industry" lol wut by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> "The software industry has pretty much decided what information patients should receive, and to my knowledge, they have not had any stakeholder input..."

    Um...yeah. I'm sure it was a bunch of developers who decided one night to pound a bunch of Mountain Dew and then set up a billing system for a bunch of multi-billion dollar hospital groups that contained hundreds of thousands of items that magically skirt around insurance limits and pre-negotiated fees, then tack on expensive and low-value items, and follow it all up by adding on mysterious charges from other providers months after the original procedures happened.

  3. Vaginosis/Vaginitis Plus by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I sense this is a hoax, or at least contrived example to raise awareness. It is trivial to look up CPT codes online. The first code listed is for a SureSwab Vaginosis/Vaginitis Plus test (87481).

    It isn't exactly "fun", but it is straightforward to request your actual test results from the facility, and then correlate the results to your bill. You should have results and documentation in your medical record for ancillary department services you were charged for. That is, if you want to audit everything like that to keep healthcare facilities honest. If you have insurance (either government provided, or private), then you can always have them investigate anything you see that is awry. Insurers are always more than happy to find someone to sick their attorneys on.

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  4. Welcome to Private US Healthcare by segedunum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is all.

  5. Re:No single payer by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The rich always have the means to seek what they think is the best when it costs more, in any category that they choose to. That's what being rich does for you.

    What I want is a medical system where if I get a bill for services, I get one bill , not a bill from the hospital, a bill from the nurse practicioner, and a separate bill from the doctor that's "responsible" whom I never even saw but because the nurse practicioner asked them a question they get in on the action.

    One of the real problems that the presence of medical insurance not paid for directly by the patient has created is that the patient is disconnected from the methods of payment, but not disconnected from the ultimate costs. The patient has no idea what a simple hospital visit for a minor at-night injury will cost when he's only there for a few hours, and since there is this disconnect, all of the professionals have figured out how to exploit this to bill, bill, bill!

    The clinic should be the only entity to send the bill. The staff working at the clinic should be paid by the clinic. I don't care if it's a walk-in clinic for boo-boos and scrapes or if it's the Mayo Clinic handling open heart surgery, the clinic should figure out the damn bill and send one bill.

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  6. Re:FTYF, Submitter by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yea this.

    When I read that line I said to my wife, "ERROR implies that it occasionally benefits the patient. This shit is on purpose."

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