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NFL Releases Deflategate Report

_xeno_ writes: You may remember back in February that Slashdot covered the NFL asking Columbia University for help investigating Deflategate, a scandal where the New England Patriots were caught deflating their footballs in order to make them easier to catch. The Patriots claimed this was simply a result of the weather, while their opponents disagreed. Well, it's been months, but we finally have our answer: the balls were, in fact, knowingly deflated by the Patriots (to no one's surprise). And while science can explain a little deflation, it cannot explain the amount of deflation seen during the game. Which isn't stopping Boston fans from attacking the science. The report stops short of certainty, though, concluding rather that deliberate underinflation was "more likely than not." Not everyone agrees that a conspiracy is necessary to account for the measured pressure readings.

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  1. Boston fans... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

    No surprise they can't understand science. Have you met the average football fan?

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    1. Re:Boston fans... by dunkindave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not that they don't understand it, it is that they don't WANT to understand it, and therefore pretend that what the team said makes sense. Big difference.

    2. Re:Boston fans... by halivar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The average football fan is not an NFL player.

    3. Re:Boston fans... by ageoffri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And how many earned their college diplomas? After hearing radio interviews of Clinton Portis when he was playing for Denver, there is no way he managed to finish elementary without "help", let alone college. Don't get me wrong there are some players, maybe the majority who have earned their degrees, but there is a good amount who got special help.

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    4. Re:Boston fans... by dysmal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No surprise they can't understand science. Have you met the average football fan?

      Have you met the average football player?

      The overall college graduation rate of about 80% among retired NFL players is much higher than the general population rate of 30%

      Of those degree holders, how many ex-players have degrees in Communication or Business?

    5. Re:Boston fans... by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The overall college graduation rate of about 80% among retired NFL players is much higher than the general population rate of 30%" - Oh please. Let's not try to compare the "diplomas" that football players get with real diplomas that are, you know, actually earned. Yes there are some notable exceptions. Steve Young and Andrew Luck come to mind as football players that also excelled academically. I'm sure there are others but they are in the vast minority.

      College football is a big money business. Players bring in big money for their schools. The players have to keep up a minimum GPA or they are not allowed to play. If they don't play the school doesn't do as well and loses money. So the schools "help" the players by making sure they keep up their GPA. Help meaning they steer them towards fluff courses. At the end of it they give them a diploma, basically as payback for all the money they helped the school earn.

      Claiming that they have earned the diploma in any real academic sense is laughable.

      I'll never forget seeing that press conference with Dexter Manley, the former Washington Redskins player. That poor guy could barely read or write and yet somehow he had "earned" a college diploma. I blame the NCAA and the schools for allowing this to happen. It was really sad to see him struggling to read a few simple sentences. He didn't fail college. College failed him.

    6. Re:Boston fans... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was really sad to see him struggling to read a few simple sentences. He didn't fail college. College failed him.

      If someone cannot read a few simple sentences, it was not "college" that failed.

  2. Game balls by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The NFL should provide all game balls, selected randomly prior to each use. Bringing your own game balls is a pretty obvious vector for manipulating the game.

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    1. Re:Game balls by dunkindave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The NFL should provide all game balls, selected randomly prior to each use. Bringing your own game balls is a pretty obvious vector for manipulating the game.

      I was actually shocked when I found out the teams supplied the balls and not the league since it makes it so ripe for cheating.

    2. Re:Game balls by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Guess who pushed that rule through, though.

      Did you guess "the New England Patriots quarterback who we now know was cheating using that rule?"

      Because, guess what, you'd be right!

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    3. Re:Game balls by Dog-Cow · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... as them flavoring one team over the other.

      Butterscotch, please.

    4. Re:Game balls by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    5. Re:Game balls by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem originally wasn't related to inflation, it was about how well the balls were scuffed or "broken in". Teams wanted to be able to do that themselves, so that they knew they would be easier to grip. The league set standards allowing the ball to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI, which doesn't allow a lot of room for "preference".

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  3. Can we please stop tacking -gate on to the end... by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we please stop tacking -gate on to the end of every scandal?

    It's not clever when everyone is doing it, especially with trivial crap like this.

  4. "More probably than not" is a legal term by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a report written by a lawyer. "More probably than not" is a legal term meaning "guilty in the civil sense, but not in the criminal sense." Essentially the lawyers writing the report are saying "yes, they're definitely guilty, but I'm not willing to say this meets the standards of criminal justice."

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    1. Re: "More probably than not" is a legal term by jmac_the_man · · Score: 5, Informative
      This isn't true. "More probable than not" is the standard that the NFL judges violations of the Playing Rules by. It approximately means "we've proven guilt sufficiently for us to impose punishment."

      In the American legal system, the analogous state is "guilty."

      Wells didn't have to get to "beyond a reasonable doubt," the standard for a criminal investigation, because that would be gilding the lily. The NFL can impose punishment at "more probably than not."

      This is all explained on the first page of the Wells Report.

    2. Re:"More probably than not" is a legal term by grimmjeeper · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It sounds a lot like "we don't have incontrovertible direct proof but every shred of circumstantial evidence is in line with our assertion".

      I bet they would meet the "preponderance of evidence" standard but not the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.

  5. Re:Can we please stop tacking -gate on to the end. by halivar · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's time to put a stop to it, too. We need to organize. #gategate

  6. "Come on help the deflator" by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One of the guys who handled the balls actually called himself "the deflator" in his text messages. Text messages are here.

    McNally (4:39:40pm): Nice dude....jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator

  7. WTF by kwiecmmm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this story here?

    What is next a Real Housewives story?

  8. Re:Older = more experience by halivar · · Score: 5, Funny

    The difference between (+5, Insightful) and (-1, Offtopic) is knowing which thread you're posting on. ;P

  9. Re:Can we please stop tacking -gate on to the end. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    DeflateAnd
    DeflateNand.
    DeflateOr.
    DeflateNor.
    DeflateXor

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  10. WTF? by gmhowell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least the political stuff, the spying stuff, etc. is 'stuff that matters'. This? Just bandwagon jumping clickbait. Is there no way this story could have been spun to include testing standards, analysis of effect on the game, or something even vaguely, remotely applicable to the audience of this site?

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  11. Re:Good thing too! by PraiseBob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This only means they didn't need to cheat to win that specific game. There is a preponderance of evidence that they were both knowingly and intentionally breaking the rules. This is called cheating to most people who aren't from the New England area. There is an established pattern of cheating through the entire season, which throws into question their "championship".

  12. Re:Older = more experience by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not only experience.

    Some of the old dudes also lift heavier tasks that might be to abstract for the kid.

    But there is balance between flexibility of younger employees and the greater salary of seasoned employees.

    It depends a lot on what your company does.

    Well, dammit, I clicked the wrong one again. Can one of you kids get over here and show me how to delete this post and put it on the right thread showing that old people know how to use computers as well as young ones?

  13. Re:SlashJock? by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I very rarely complain that a story doesn't belong on Slashdot, but this time I will, because this is probably the least Slashdot-worthy story I've seen yet.

    This is not news for nerds. This does not matter.

    This could be worth of Slashdot if were were discussing the science, the need for proper scientific method, etc. But , much like sports reporters, a lot of people are blowing by this because the bias is that sports and science do not mix.

    - It's interesting that the scientific firm used to back up the findings of the report once produced reports that second hand smoke didn't cause cancer
    - It's interesting that the report relies on the Refs remembering the starting PSI values. We know just how unreliable memory is
    - From a scientific standpoint, it would be trivial to rip apart the findings of the report

  14. Re:Good thing too! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there's any irony, it's that the Pats cheat so hard when, frankly, they don't have to. They really are that good

    Or maybe they cheat 20 different ways, and they only got caught on one. Maybe they really suck when they stop cheating entirely.

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  15. Ow my Balls! by s.petry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not that you are guilty of all of what follows, but I have to point out the obvious.

    Should a shot put be what ever size and shape someone else wants, or standard? How about a discus? Javelin? Don't want to compare to Olympic sports, how about NBA. Can a team inflate their balls to a different pressure than the other team, or wear them a certain way to gain an advantage? It is all standardized to make the competition as fair as possible.

    The lengths that people will go to excuse a lack of fairness is really amazing. The lengths that people will go to in an effort of excusing cheating is just as amazing, but a bit more appalling.

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