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Amazon's Delivery Drones Will Be Able To Track Your Location

stowie writes: According to the filing with the USPTO, the e-commerce giant's delivery drones will be able to communicate with each other, find the best flight path available, and update the delivery location as a customer changes location. Package delivery locations will be updated as customers move around, so a package can come to you at work or home, depending on where you are when your shipment is ready — including pulling location data from a smartphone. There will also be relay locations, allowing drones to drop off packages for further transport, or to recharge or swap batteries. Amazon even supplies a mockup of what its delivery drone could look like, including eight propellers, two removable power modules and much more.

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  1. Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by rockout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know 90% of the Slashdot audience is going to talk about shooting down Amazon's drones and shit like that, but seriously - isn't there anyone besides me that can't wait for this? I think it's going to be great, and the "sky is falling" predictions about all the downsides to this seem like nonsense to me, for the most part. Am I alone in this?

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    1. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      While it might be cool to get something ASAP, there will be people building net launchers with a fishing line recoil setup. This could revitalize the fishing equipment industry with auto-tracking "casting" devices... you know, for fishing.
      Sky Fishing...

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    2. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by Nonesuch · · Score: 2

      I suspect that the "drone delivery zone" will be similar to the "same day" delivery zone, which means neither my home nor my office will ever be within operating range. So no, I am not excited about this.

    3. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by master5o1 · · Score: 1

      Are you implying theft of goods and the drones by people with nets, or that the drones are purely for tracking people.

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    4. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Track my location? Pretty sure my house doesn't actually move around much.

      Downsides? Sure, Amazon...I'll let you track my every move, all day every day.
      Not.

    5. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it's going to be great, and the "sky is falling" predictions about all the downsides to this seem like nonsense to me

      To be fair, that's not what I'm worried about falling.

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    6. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Seriously? I want my delivery to go to where I tell the vendor to send it, period. I don't need deliveries interrupting me when I am working. Send it to my home.

    7. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by knightghost · · Score: 1

      Uh... yea, they can shoot stuff out of the sky there. Only the criminals are armed in those places.

    8. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uh... yea, they can shoot stuff out of the sky there. Only the criminals are armed in those places.

      But the liberals told me gun control laws make everybody safer. That's why the vast majority of shooting sprees happen in "gun-free zones", right? Because as we all know, criminals willing to commit murder are very afraid of being charged with illegally carrying a concealed weapon! Following laws is exactly what criminals are known to do, right?

    9. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      "...all the downsides to this seem like nonsense to me..."

      That's probably because you don't want to think critically about how some of those downsides will effect others. Besides all the safety concerns, there simple nuisance and property right issues to examine. Look, I want flying cars as much as the next guy, but I don't want them or delivery drones buzzing over my house.

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    10. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by lilo_booter · · Score: 1

      That's a bit silly - you can turn off location services you know. What if you really do want the delivery and you're away from home? Presumably all you'd need to do is turn on the service, and once you've got it, turn it back off again.

    11. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by Rei · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I really don't understand why people freak out about companies making optional features that people who aren't "Google Is Plotting With The NSA To Have My Teeth Removed In My Sleep" nutters generally appreciate. Don't like it? Don't use it.

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    12. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by Rei · · Score: 1

      I'd be more worried about a 10 tonne delivery truck crashing through my wall than a 10 kilogram drone crashing through my roof.

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    13. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I know 90% of the Slashdot audience is going to talk about ...............

      I think what surprises me about /.ers is that they pick and choose where they want their energy efficiency rules to apply. Seems like this is a very inefficient way to deliver from an energy standpoint. Copter type craft require a lot of energy to maintain flight.

      Someone will use a drone to deliver their LED light bulbs. Responsibly inefficient.

      I personally just don't want a lot of drones flying around. Maybe we'll all get used to it, but it seems like it would be annoying.

    14. Re:Ok, I'll stick my neck on the chopping block by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1
      The GP actually wasn't that clearly formulated.

      Thus to we non-morons,

      Talking about comprehension, you must mean "to us non-morons", or maybe "to wee non-morons".

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  2. Cutting their losses by Nonesuch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How will Amazon handle the theft problem? Why just steal a package of unknown value when you can stuff the drone into a steel box and get a pile of expensive parts along with whatever bonus you find in the package being delivered.

    Will Amazon be forced to redline neighborhoods that have a high attrition rate?

    1. Re:Cutting their losses by rockout · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow, you're right! Jeff Bezos is probably canceling the whole project right now, because no one at Amazon ever thought about any of the points you've brought up, and your post just turned the entire idea of drone delivery into a no-go. It's a little amazing to me than a lowly Slashdot poster outwitted the entire engineering division at Amazon, but it just goes to show, the best ideas always come from naysayers that have no idea what's going on at the company they're tearing down in their heads.

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    2. Re:Cutting their losses by marciot · · Score: 2

      How will Amazon handle the theft problem??

      Lasers. Big lasers.

    3. Re:Cutting their losses by Rei · · Score: 1

      Huh... does that really work? What a cool lifehack! Do cars have GPS trackers and cameras like drones do?

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    4. Re:Cutting their losses by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      Why just steal a package of unknown value when you can stuff the drone into a steel box and get a pile of expensive parts along with whatever bonus you find in the package being delivered.

      Perhaps it will stream video live back to the Amazon Cloud, and after a few people are busted doing this, everyone else will get the memo that it is a bad idea.

      They may also embed a small GPS/cellular transponder into a rather small part of the drone, so unless you systematically pulverize every part of it inside of a Faraday cage, your location will be pinged to law enforcement.

      Finally, the whole point of this is that you're paying extra to get the stuff RIGHT NOW instead of tomorrow or later today. The chances of someone stealing my drone package that I'm waiting for seems lower than the 2-day package that sits on my porch all day.

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  3. So what about other drones by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    If Amazon drones can communicate with each other and hopefully perform collision avoidance, how will they do the same with drones from the random Drones'R'Us startup companies that will be popping up all over the place in the next X years?

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    1. Re:So what about other drones by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      If Amazon drones can communicate with each other and hopefully perform collision avoidance, how will they do the same with drones from the random Drones'R'Us startup companies that will be popping up all over the place in the next X years?

      They will have to be coordinated by Air Traffic Control and piloted by a certificated commercial pilot.

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    2. Re:So what about other drones by NoMaster · · Score: 1

      If Amazon drones can communicate with each other and hopefully perform collision avoidance, how will they do the same with drones from the random Drones'R'Us startup companies that will be popping up all over the place in the next X years?

      Simple.

      The whole point of Amazon's current guff about drone deliveries is (a) P.R., and (b) grabbing patents to cover all aspects of drone delivery technology.

      Because of (b) there simply won't be any "random Drones'R'Us startup companies" to interfere. At least, not ones that aren't licencing / using Amazon's patented communications & collision avoidance technologies...

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  4. Not the best solution by Smauler · · Score: 1

    Having something delivered to where you are is often the least useful place for it to be. If you cycle to work, you don't want your car exhaust to be delivered there. Ideally, you'd probably want it to be delivered to the garage you're going to get it fitted at.

    Some people also don't like some stuff being delivered at work.

    1. Re:Not the best solution by harryjohnston · · Score: 1

      It might be useful sometimes. I just hope it's optional.

    2. Re:Not the best solution by rockout · · Score: 1

      yeah really, why read the article?

      "A mockup shows an Amazon order screen with four options for delivery: “Bring It to Me,” “Home,” “Work,” and “My Boat.”

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  5. I agree by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I came to say the same thing. How awesome would it be to be at the beach, realize you forgot a towel, and have one drop in within a half hour...

    It's totally like all those care package drops in FPS games are coming to reality.

    After all, it would only be tracking your location with your permission, after you had ordered something... there's a clear benefit to giving up some temporary privacy for a little temporary convenience.

    The only thing is, I don't see how this service works if it's very windy, or there's much weather... and what if you can't get outside during the delivery window. Would it just leave the box in a parking lot? Or cart if back to the warehouse? So many questions of implementation I have trouble seeing it come to pass.

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    1. Re:I agree by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if you're in a car, constantly moving playing a game of "lead the drone on a wild goose chase" for fun?

      It would be pretty funny if there was a swarm of these following cars on the motorway or around and around a city block or something.

    2. Re:I agree by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Funny

      I came to say the same thing. How awesome would it be to be at the beach, realize you forgot a towel, and have one drop in within a half hour...

      If you are at some remote beach and you forget your towel...you are outside of the delivery zone. And you are a dumbass, and the ghost of Douglas Adams will smite you.

    3. Re:I agree by Rei · · Score: 1

      I didn't see how fast the drones fly, but if it can fly say 60mph then it can hold position in gusts up to 60mph. They generally have quite fast response times to varying windspeeds.

      That said, they will have a fixed operating envelope, and if the weather is outside that envelope, just like with any other aircraft, they won't be allowed to fly. Even if Amazon wanted them too, the FAA would never permit that.

      As for "leaving it outside", I imagine the drone would follow whatever delivery instructions you gave it.

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    4. Re:I agree by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      I came to say the same thing. How awesome would it be to be at the beach, realize you forgot a towel, and have one drop in within a half hour...

      If I'm relaxing on the beach and a bunch of drones keep flying over me to deliver crap I'm not going to think its very awesome at all. In fact, I propose that we go ahead and ban beach drones before this crap gets out of hand.

    5. Re:I agree by theburp · · Score: 1

      You mean like this Audi Commercial? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    6. Re:I agree by Agripa · · Score: 1

      I came to say the same thing. How awesome would it be to be at the beach, realize you forgot a towel, and have one drop in within a half hour...

      Fast Times at Fairmont High - Vernor Vinge

      Juan hesitated. “That's strange.”
      “What?”
      “I've got mail.” He set a pointer in the sky for the others to see: a ballistic FedEx package with a Cambridge return address. It was coming straight down, and rom very high up.
      At about a thousand feet, the mailer slowed dramatically, and a sexy voice spoke in Juan's ear. “Do you accept delivery, Mr. Orozco?”
      “Yes, yes.” He indicated a spot on the ground nearby.
      All this time, William had been staring into the sky. Now he gave a little start and Juan guessed the guy had finally seen Juan's pointer. A second after that, the package was visible to the naked eye: a dark speck showing an occasional bluish flare, falling silently toward them.
      It slowed again at ten feet, and they had a glimpse of the cause of the light: dozens of tiny landing jets around the edge of the package. Animal rights campaigners claimed the microturbines were painfully loud to some kinds of bats, but to humans and even dogs and cats, the whole operation was silent.... until the very last moment: Just a foot off the ground, there was a burst of wind and a scattering of pine needles.
      “Sign here, Mr. Orozco,” said the voice.
      Juan did so and started toward the mailer. William was already there, kneeling awkwardly. The Goofus spazzed at just the wrong instant and lurched forward, putting his knee through the mailer carton.
      Miri rushed over to him. “William! Are you okay?”
      William rolled back on his rear and sat there, massaging his knee. “Yes, I'm fine, Miriam. Damn.” He glanced at Juan. “I'm really sorry, kid.” For once, he didn't sound sarcastic.
      Juan kept his mouth shut. He squatted down by the box: it was a standard twenty-ounce mailer, now with a big bend in the middle. The lid was jammed, but the material was scarcely stronger than cardboard, and he had no trouble prying it open. Inside ... he pulled out a clear bag, held it up for the others to see.
      William leaned forward, squinting. The bag was filled with dozens of small, irregular balls. “They look like rabbit droppings to me.”
      “Yes. Or health food,” said Juan. Whatever they were, it didn't look like William's accident had done them any harm.

  6. Smartphone for landing beacon? by zamboni1138 · · Score: 2

    In the last diagram the drone (object 200) is shown directly over what appears to be a smartphone (objects 600 and 602).

    Looks like in addition to tracking your location for the "Bring it to me" function, they plan to use your smartphone as the "landing beacon" for the final part of approach and landing. Didn't see that mentioned in either article. Looks very interesting.

    1. Re:Smartphone for landing beacon? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Looks like in addition to tracking your location for the "Bring it to me" function, they plan to use your smartphone as the "landing beacon" for the final part of approach and landing. Didn't see that mentioned in either article. Looks very interesting.

      Sounds painful.

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    2. Re:Smartphone for landing beacon? by Rei · · Score: 1

      It's only painful if you check the option for "Release my package at flight altitude on an intercept course to me."

      You laugh, but while it's maybe a bad idea if you're ordering a cell phone, it's a heck of a lot of fun if you're ordering a football.

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  7. Makes me want to buy someone a ton of bricks. by tlambert · · Score: 2

    Makes me want to buy someone a ton of bricks. Then the drone can drop it on them, no matter where they are.

    1. Re:Makes me want to buy someone a ton of bricks. by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids and their mangy mutt...

  8. Makes Skynet's job by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

    far easier! "I didn't order a 'Grenade with pre-pulled pin' from Amazon!"

    1. Re:Makes Skynet's job by Rei · · Score: 2

      Hahaha... you know, this gives the term "going postal" a new meaning. Imagine a world where an Amazon delivery center worker who can't take it anymore starts duct taping cats into the package slot... turning the drones into flying, clawing machines that chase after their horrified, fleeing targets.

      Bonus points if they could get their hands on bobcats, honey badgers, etc.

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    2. Re:Makes Skynet's job by neminem · · Score: 1

      That post lacked obligatory xkcd, so I have fixed that for you.

    3. Re:Makes Skynet's job by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Steven King needs to get writing.

  9. Headshot! by mutherhacker · · Score: 2

    The drones will also be able to track the recipient even while walking or running down the street and launch the package with a trajectory aimed to the recipients head. Upon successful impact the drone will produce a *Boom! Headshot!!* sound effect. Amazon officials refused to comment on the necessity of this delivery mode.

  10. Why not? by aoeu · · Score: 1

    When I want a fresh souvlaki I want it delivered warm.

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  11. In the car by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    "What if you're in a car"

    If it can't deliver something through my sunroof while I'm on the highway, don't even bother.

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  12. Please, no by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I do not want Amazon delivering my order to me at work.

    http://www.amazon.com/Silicage...

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  13. Re:Can't wait for the chase by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    The drone will have a built-in loudspeaker that will play "Yakety Sax" when it detects such situations.

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  15. LINK NOT SAFE FOR WORK by SeaFox · · Score: 2

    I'm not at work right now, but since the poster didn't say what he was linking to and can't edit it now to warn people, I just thought I would put this here.

  16. The Chewbacca Defense by westlake · · Score: 1

    It's a little amazing to me than a lowly Slashdot poster outwitted the entire engineering division at Amazon...

    Instead of answering the question, you are just talking around it.

    It wouldn't be the first time that the geek has relied on sarcasm as a substitute for brain-work.

    The courier drone will be perfectly safe so long as it serves only the middle class suburbs and grander estate homes --- quiet side streets, fenced in back yards, no strangers about.

    1. Re:The Chewbacca Defense by rockout · · Score: 1

      Right, because no middle-class suburban residents ever commit theft or larceny.

      I can why you didn't get my point - you're suffering from the same disease as the OP; that is, you think that the people proposing drone delivery haven't given any more thought to it than you have, and the 5 seconds you've invested in thinking about it is the final word.

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  17. Old School by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    If this thing bails you out of forgetting a towel, it deprives you of learning an important lesson about preparedness and generally not being a careless ass.

    But if Amazon Drones means there are literally no consequences for being ill-prepared and a careless ass - then why does the lesson need to be taught? Just as most of us now are not taught how to milk a cow or till a field, the art of being prepared is a skill of yesteryear in a world with ubiquitous drone coverage.

    The movie 127 hours would be a lot different when the guy can just call in a rescue drone to lift the boulder - or at least have Amazon send him a high-quality bone saw and a good quick-clot bandage!

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    1. Re:Old School by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      It would be if he could access a cell tower, which he couldn't down there.

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    2. Re:Old School by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      But if Amazon Drones means there are literally no consequences for being ill-prepared and a careless ass - then why does the lesson need to be taught? Just as most of us now are not taught how to milk a cow or till a field, the art of being prepared is a skill of yesteryear in a world with ubiquitous drone coverage.

      The important part is "a world with ubiquitous drone coverage".
      There are still places where Amazon can't/won't deliver quickly by traditional means. I suspect those will also remain out of range of drones for a very long time.

      Unless you are content to never travel outside of major cities, then learning to be competent in basic skills like thinking ahead are still useful for being a mostly functional human.

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  18. I wouldn't mind the tracking so much by d'baba · · Score: 1

    if they would just forget it once the delivery was made.

  19. Re:Eliminate customer-suspect by Barsteward · · Score: 1

    I don't see anything in this that requires a patent, please enlighten me

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  20. But I Don't Want it to Come to My Location by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that my new inflatable doll is going to show up at the office, or church, if I happen to be there at the time of delivery?

    And yes, I know the answer, but it would be fun to see someone having to explain their way out of that.

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  21. if you are fast enough by Skapare · · Score: 1

    if you are fast enough ... get a free drone ... sorry no controller but you get free parts

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  22. Can you say "Felony?" I knew you could! by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    As a bonus, these drones will cost more per unit than the threshold for a felony in practically every state. Getting caught will pretty much get you a felony rap sheet and time in the big house - either for theft of destruction of property or both. And there's a very high likelihood you will, given the monitoring which will be required to fly under FAA guidelines.

    It will be a non-issue I suspect.

    Plus, Amazon will know immediately if there's a loss of a drone and can dispatch a replacement to keep the end users happy.

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  23. The military could save a fortune by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    By contracting with Amazon for package drops from "special warehouse" supply points directly to Aziz al-Jihadi in the war zone.

  24. How the @#$%! could this possibly be patentable? by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

    Here is Claim 1 from the patent application:

    1. A system for aerial delivery of items to a destination location, comprising: a plurality of unmanned aerial vehicles, each of the plurality of unmanned aerial vehicles configured to aerially transport items; an unmanned aerial vehicle management system, including: a processor; and a memory coupled to the processor and storing program instructions that when executed by the processor cause the processors to at least: receive a request to deliver an item to a destination location; and send to an unmanned aerial vehicle of the plurality of unmanned aerial vehicles, delivery parameters identifying a source location that includes the item and a destination location; wherein the unmanned aerial vehicle, in response to receiving the delivery parameters, is further configured to at least: navigate to the source location; engage the item located at the source location; navigate a navigation route to the destination location; and disengage the item.

    There is absolutely nothing there that hasn't been discussed thousands of times before and been a staple of science fiction for decades. But if this gets approved, no one but Amazon will be allowed to do this, just as it's becoming technologically feasible.

    Remember, every claim in a patent is like a little patent in itself. Whatever else is contained in the patent, anything that matches all the features of any single claim is infringing. And there's nothing in that claim that's original or innovative in any way. Actually building a drone delivery network will require solving a lot of hard technological problems, and some of those solutions might legitimately be patentable. But this has nothing to do with that.

    Actually, it's even worse than that. Here's the last paragraph of the application:

    From the foregoing, it will be appreciated that, although specific implementations have been described herein for purposes of illustration, various modifications may be made without deviating from the spirit and scope of the appended claims and the elements recited therein. In addition, while certain aspects are presented below in certain claim forms, the inventors contemplate the various aspects in any available claim form. For example, while only some aspects may currently be recited as being embodied in a computer readable storage medium, other aspects may likewise be so embodied. Various modifications and changes may be made as would be obvious to a person skilled in the art having the benefit of this disclosure. It is intended to embrace all such modifications and changes and, accordingly, the above description to be regarded in an illustrative rather than a restrictive sense.

    So the incredibly general claims should be interpreted even more generally. They're basically claiming complete ownership of the concept of delivering things with drones, including "all such modifications and changes" that anyone might reasonably think of.

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  25. so non-obvious! by FalseModesty · · Score: 1

    Wow, that solution is completely non-obvious, and isn't simply a restatement of the problem! What an incredibly valid patent!

  26. Context by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    If I'm relaxing on the beach and a bunch of drones keep flying over me to deliver crap I'm not going to think its very awesome at all.

    Even if they are bringing you drinks?

    But really there's not a problem, you simply augment your trip to the beach with a Hololens and headphones. The Hololens literally can erase the drones from your by painting over it with sky, while the headphones cancel out all noise from the drones leaving only pleasing ocean waves and the sound of the 4000 other people around you on the beach you get to hear today.

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    1. Re:Context by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Even if they are bringing you drinks?

      I'd prefer them delivered by a bikini clad human being. (specificity avoided to preclude charges of sexism)

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