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Self-Driving Cars In California: 4 Out of 48 Have Accidents, None Their Fault

An anonymous reader writes: The Associated Press reports that 48 self-driving cars have been navigating the roads of California since the state began issuing permits last year. Of those, only four have been in accidents, and none of the accidents were the fault of the autonomous driving technology. Seven different companies have tested autonomous cars on California's roads, but Google, which is responsible for almost half of them, was involved in three of the four accidents — the other one happened to a car from Delphi Automotive. All four of the accidents happened at speeds of under 10 mph, and human drivers were in control during two of them. The Delphi accident happened when another car broadsided it while its human driver was waiting to make a left turn.

The AP pieced together its report from the DMV and people who saw the accident reports. But critics note that there aren't direct channels to find this information. Since one of the chief selling points of autonomous cars is their relative safety over cars piloted by humans, the lack of official transparency is troubling. "Google, which has 23 Lexus SUVs, would not discuss its three accidents in detail." Instead, the company affirmed its cars' accidents were "a handful of minor fender-benders, light damage, no injuries, so far caused by human error and inattention."

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  1. Not yet statistically significant by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I expect the number haven't been publicized, because they are still to limited to have any significance, and also because the cars have been running under fairly tightly controlled conditions.

    When there are a few hundred cars, running in all kinds of weather and traffic conditions, with millions of miles - if the numbers are still good, you can bet that they will be plastered all over the internet

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    1. Re:Not yet statistically significant by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Funny

      They say inattentiveness was the problem. I expect the drivers were wearing Google Glass at the time.

    2. Re:Not yet statistically significant by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, the data set is way to small to draw any conclusions,

      Not necessarily. Pick a pool of 48 cars at random and compare the accident rates. You also have to compare them by the accident rate per hour behind the wheel.

      This gets at the whole idea that self-driving cars have to meet some lofty standard of perfection to become the optimum choice. To replace people behind the wheel self-driving cars only need to be +1 better than human drivers.

      Self driving cars can't drive in the rain. Oh, really? Take a drive around Seattle in the rain, you'll discover human drivers suck in the rain, too. And that's in the rain capitol of the world where you'd expect people to be used to driving in the rain and they still suck (I lived there for 10 years so don't bother trying to deny it).

      The biggest obstacle to self-driving cars isn't rain or snow, it's something called Illusory Superiority. The vanity of humans who think they're better drivers than they really are.

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  2. Compares well by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    4 Out of 48 Have Accidents, None Their Fault

    I think that compares well to the average Californian.

  3. Non-Paywalled Link by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Perhaps you would like to read the story somewhere other than the NYT because paywalling is stupid and offensive, even if you know how to bypass it. Thanks, Seattle Times, for just showing me the flipping article.

    Here's a news flash: You can get the same AP newswire article anywhere. Yet people still link the NYT. That's poor internet etiquette given that they paywall.

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  4. Simple conclusion by sunking2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That the vast majority of human drivers around them were able to avoid accidents despite the presence of dangerous automated cars.

  5. Fault may not be the right measure. by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    One can be "in the right" and still not have done the right thing. For example, if the light is green I'm in the right not to slow down for the intersection. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't take precautions to check if someone is coming the other way. If I had I might have avoided the accident that was not assigned to my "fault".

    On the other hand it's also possible that google cars will be better drivers than the average person. One might hope they use different CPUs for the texting and the driving.

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    1. Re:Fault may not be the right measure. by tsqr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One can be "in the right" and still not have done the right thing.

      Pretty much what I was thinking. Back when the Earth was a molten mass and I was taking Driver Education in high school, there was a lot of emphasis on "defensive driving"; in other words, expect the other guy to do the wrong thing, and be ready for it. When you have a mix of self-driving and human-operated cars on the road, the self-driving ones better have some extremely conservative defensive driving skills.

  6. Re:Not convinced by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    We cannot always get out of the way of a driver who is not paying attention.

    It's still better than letting computers drive. I've heard the damn things even sleep on the job. I've also heard they have a dog watching while they're asleep but that doesn't make any sense.

  7. Re:that's fine by hummassa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    NON-Self-driving cars need to be banned. There, I fixed it for you. :D

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  8. Re:that's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually theres a historical precedent for legislation concerning semi autonomous non human traffic. Horses.

    It's not entirely as ridiculous an analogy as it initially sounds.

  9. Re:that's fine by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because someone being blamable for accidents is much more important than having fewer accidents in the first place, right?

  10. Re:that's fine by knightghost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The major part of safely driving is anticipating another driver breaking the law. Doesn't look like computers can do that yet.

  11. Re:that's fine by JMJimmy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Accident rate in general: 4-5%
    Accident rate so far with only 48 vehicles: 8-9%

    Without details I'm not going to accept "someone else's" fault as fact.

  12. Re:that's fine by Alexey+Nogin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Accident rate in general: 4-5% Accident rate so far with only 48 vehicles: 8-9%

    Ah, no, the meaningful rate is accidents per miles driven, not per car. These cars are driven constantly (for testing, data collection, etc), surely way more that twice the average.