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After Over a Year of Police Action, Dark Net Black Markets Still Growing

When the original Silk Road was shut down in 2013, it provided definitive evidence that federal law enforcement was targeting online black markets. Later, after the fall of Silk Road 2.0 and the Evolution Market's admins running off with their customers' money, you might have expected people to become more wary of dark net markets — but that doesn't seem to be the case. The number of products being bought and sold is up significantly since last year, and it's quadrupled since the original Silk Road fell. "The most enduring institution on the Dark Net is Agora. Founded in December 2014, amid the rubble of Silk Road's fall, Agora now accounts for 37 percent of all Dark Net product listings. It's a drug-heavy market with substantial supplies in marijuana, ecstasy, prescription drugs, and stimulants—and nearly any other drug you can imagine."

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  1. Whack-a-mole by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Black markets pop up when free markets aren't available. Legalizing drugs would do wonders for the economy. Not only do we spend a heap of money on the war on drugs: militarized police, overburdened legal system and oversaturated prisons, but then there's also the costs in terms of innocent bystanders who are injured or killed in this war. Over 70,000 people have been killed by drug cartels in Mexico alone. How do a lot of terrorists fund their activities? By selling heroin. If they were available for over-the-counter purchase at a reasonable price, like alcohol & tobacco are, it would make a whole world of problems disappear. That's not to say that there wouldn't be new problems in terms of addiction, but these problems would be minor in comparison to the ones we have now.

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    1. Re:Whack-a-mole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Addiction rates pretty much universally drop in places where legalization/decriminalization are implemented.

  2. Re:I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by HighBit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    yeah indeed, drug cartels have taken over in parts of Mexico and other Central / South American countries

  3. Re:I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The actual winners:

    • police--budget and personnel increases.
    • lawyers--the lawyers always win.
    • police equipment manufacturers--where the increased budgets are spent.
    • private prison owners--constant supply of inmate and inmates are profit.
    • manufacturers --constant supply of slave labor, better known as inmates.
    • small business--they don't have to pay ex-cons as much.
    • drug testing companies--big brother.
    • politicians--winning elections because they win elections by being tougher on crime, (drugs), that the other guy.
  4. Re:I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Depends on what you consider "Winning". Sure, something like 85% of US citizens have tried marijuana and it's now not uncommon for presidents to admit to marijuana and cocaine use in their past (But they'd never do it NOW, oh no!) But it's a huge windfall for privatized, for-profit prison systems and an excellent tool for oppressing minorities in ever-greater numbers. It's also been wonderful for anyone with an agenda of eroding the bill of rights and militarizing police forces. I'd go so far as to speculate that the difference between being president and not being president, for the last three presidents, was that they didn't get caught. Naturally that depends on exactly how much of what they had on them at any given time, but all 3 seem like the kind of people who'd have a pretty decent stockpile of stuff they like. And if you're a black dude, misdemeanor possession can easily be turned into multiple felonies.

    So yeah, sucks for the average citizen, awesome for the people who actually make the laws.

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  5. Re:Bigger != Better by moeinvt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IIRC, they got Al Capone for tax evasion.

    The best way way to make "crime" go away is to repeal stupid laws. No victim, no crime.

  6. Re:Bigger != Better by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The primary objective when shutting down crime is to follow the money and make the crime unprofitable.

    A far simpler method is to legalize the activity so it is not a crime. The problem is not the profits of the drug dealers, but the profits from civil forfeiture, and the vast profits from the prison industry, more than $74 billion annually.

  7. Re:Bigger != Better by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Though the public is made up of individuals and, I have seen many of them change their tune after running into some debate on the matter.

    Especially when you point out to them that despite the fact that 50% of people in burn units are there for accidents involved with making meth; then you point out that addiction rates don't change (they fluctuate but trace a pretty horizontal line).... it really does get hard to justify the benefits of drug policy.

    When you have a policy that can be directly linked as a major cause of the first wave of the HIV epidemic, that has skyrocketed prison populations, and created and funded violent gangs across the country.... all while....not even achieving its most basic goal.... most people do come around when presented with the onslaught of evidence that the current strategy is bullshit and bad for everyone.....

    Everyone except the cartels, the gangs, and the police unions whose membership lives off hem.

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  8. Re:I don't get this by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You used an illegal scenario, but how about these:

    Did the guy working packing at the Amazon eat a poppyseed-lemon muffin on his coffee break? Instant FP (goes for inhalers too, btw).

    Did someone who handles large amounts of cash also wrap a package? There's likely trace amounts of cocaine present on the outside of the package then.

    Did someone wrap a package after their macrame class or civil war re-enactment? Oils from the rope will likely cause an FP.

    There are so many drugs out there that to test for all of them means you're also detecting perfectly safe items such as hemp, poppy seeds, etc. as well as traces of illegal items that just happen to be smeared over a significant portion of publicly used cash.

    You know those swabs they take in Airport Security? Those don't test for the majority of drugs or explosives, only a select few. And the sensitivity is turned down quite a bit. Otherwise, anyone who had been around, say, fertilizer, would set the thing off every time they flew.

  9. Re:I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by chihowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't go there because of the war on drugs, not the drugs themselves. The US became a much safer place when the war on alcohol was abandoned and the world will be a safer place when the war on drugs is abandoned.

    Black markets create a criminal element, so it's important policy to only use prohibition when absolutely necessary (contract killing and the like). The war on drugs have killed more people and caused more economic damage than drugs ever have.

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