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After Over a Year of Police Action, Dark Net Black Markets Still Growing

When the original Silk Road was shut down in 2013, it provided definitive evidence that federal law enforcement was targeting online black markets. Later, after the fall of Silk Road 2.0 and the Evolution Market's admins running off with their customers' money, you might have expected people to become more wary of dark net markets — but that doesn't seem to be the case. The number of products being bought and sold is up significantly since last year, and it's quadrupled since the original Silk Road fell. "The most enduring institution on the Dark Net is Agora. Founded in December 2014, amid the rubble of Silk Road's fall, Agora now accounts for 37 percent of all Dark Net product listings. It's a drug-heavy market with substantial supplies in marijuana, ecstasy, prescription drugs, and stimulants—and nearly any other drug you can imagine."

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  1. 'Dark Net'... very funny by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    The honey tastes sweet, doesn't it?

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  2. I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Haven't 'drugs' been winning the war on drugs by almost unbelievable margins more or less continually since it was declared?

    Why, if they were as dangerous as my kindly DARE officer claimed, we'd probably be living under the iron heel of a drugs occupation force right now.

    1. Re:I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by HighBit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yeah indeed, drug cartels have taken over in parts of Mexico and other Central / South American countries

    2. Re:I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The actual winners:

      • police--budget and personnel increases.
      • lawyers--the lawyers always win.
      • police equipment manufacturers--where the increased budgets are spent.
      • private prison owners--constant supply of inmate and inmates are profit.
      • manufacturers --constant supply of slave labor, better known as inmates.
      • small business--they don't have to pay ex-cons as much.
      • drug testing companies--big brother.
      • politicians--winning elections because they win elections by being tougher on crime, (drugs), that the other guy.
    3. Re:I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Depends on what you consider "Winning". Sure, something like 85% of US citizens have tried marijuana and it's now not uncommon for presidents to admit to marijuana and cocaine use in their past (But they'd never do it NOW, oh no!) But it's a huge windfall for privatized, for-profit prison systems and an excellent tool for oppressing minorities in ever-greater numbers. It's also been wonderful for anyone with an agenda of eroding the bill of rights and militarizing police forces. I'd go so far as to speculate that the difference between being president and not being president, for the last three presidents, was that they didn't get caught. Naturally that depends on exactly how much of what they had on them at any given time, but all 3 seem like the kind of people who'd have a pretty decent stockpile of stuff they like. And if you're a black dude, misdemeanor possession can easily be turned into multiple felonies.

      So yeah, sucks for the average citizen, awesome for the people who actually make the laws.

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    4. Re:I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by jythie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do not forget another big winner, retrogressive social reformers. The war on drugs has been a powerful tool in keeping racism alive while 'proving' it is all their fault in the first place and that brown people are simply too weak willed to join polite society.

    5. Re:I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... by chihowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't go there because of the war on drugs, not the drugs themselves. The US became a much safer place when the war on alcohol was abandoned and the world will be a safer place when the war on drugs is abandoned.

      Black markets create a criminal element, so it's important policy to only use prohibition when absolutely necessary (contract killing and the like). The war on drugs have killed more people and caused more economic damage than drugs ever have.

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  3. Whack-a-mole by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Black markets pop up when free markets aren't available. Legalizing drugs would do wonders for the economy. Not only do we spend a heap of money on the war on drugs: militarized police, overburdened legal system and oversaturated prisons, but then there's also the costs in terms of innocent bystanders who are injured or killed in this war. Over 70,000 people have been killed by drug cartels in Mexico alone. How do a lot of terrorists fund their activities? By selling heroin. If they were available for over-the-counter purchase at a reasonable price, like alcohol & tobacco are, it would make a whole world of problems disappear. That's not to say that there wouldn't be new problems in terms of addiction, but these problems would be minor in comparison to the ones we have now.

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    1. Re:Whack-a-mole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Addiction rates pretty much universally drop in places where legalization/decriminalization are implemented.

    2. Re:Whack-a-mole by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While complete legalization has its downsides, the current drug prohibition and resulting paramilitary law enforcement response, not to mention everything else associated with the "War on Drugs" is far, far worse on so many levels. I'd go so far as to say the only way you could even remotely consider the War on Drugs as successful would be if your goal was to criminalize large swathes of the population, while putting them under a militarized, invasive police state where things like privacy and other rights are on the road to becoming a distant memory.

      Yes, there would be problems with addiction, just like there are now with alcohol and tobacco. It would also be far, far less costly to deal with those than with the negative affects of drug prohibition.

  4. Re:Bigger != Better by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The way to "get around" the law is to change the law.

    You cannot change the law without public support. One way to get public support for repeal is to show that a law is dysfunctional. If drug prohibition laws actually worked, did what they were designed to do, and had fewer bad side effects, then support for repeal would be much weaker. We are better off if people buy their drugs online, then if they get them on street corners. The only people harmed by these online markets are the drug dealers, the police, and the incarceration industry.

  5. We've seen this before... by Thaelon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The exact same thing happened in the '90s with online purchasing.

    At first everybody thought it was crazy. "Who would give their credit card details to people over this new fangled Internet thing?" There were legitimate businesses and total scams. But things grew and grew, and now nobody bats an eye about one click purchasing on Amazon.

    I figure this will go the same way. Right now it's the wild west, but things will settle down and eventually nobody will bat an eye about spending a few doge on an impulse.

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  6. Re:Bigger != Better by moeinvt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IIRC, they got Al Capone for tax evasion.

    The best way way to make "crime" go away is to repeal stupid laws. No victim, no crime.

  7. Re:Bigger != Better by MagickalMyst · · Score: 2

    "You cannot change the law without public support."

    ...unless your name is "Bush" or you are the NSA.

    Actually, they don't change the laws; they ignore them. Nevermind.

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  8. Re:I don't get this by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 2

    Erm, would not work, they are super careful to double airtight bag shit.

    And not just USPS, stuff gets sent in the mail international, passing through customs of numerous countries, still undetected.

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  9. and nearly any other drug you can imagine by neo-mkrey · · Score: 2

    I don't know about that, I can imagine quite a bit.

  10. Re:Bigger != Better by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The primary objective when shutting down crime is to follow the money and make the crime unprofitable.

    A far simpler method is to legalize the activity so it is not a crime. The problem is not the profits of the drug dealers, but the profits from civil forfeiture, and the vast profits from the prison industry, more than $74 billion annually.

  11. Re:Bigger != Better by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Though the public is made up of individuals and, I have seen many of them change their tune after running into some debate on the matter.

    Especially when you point out to them that despite the fact that 50% of people in burn units are there for accidents involved with making meth; then you point out that addiction rates don't change (they fluctuate but trace a pretty horizontal line).... it really does get hard to justify the benefits of drug policy.

    When you have a policy that can be directly linked as a major cause of the first wave of the HIV epidemic, that has skyrocketed prison populations, and created and funded violent gangs across the country.... all while....not even achieving its most basic goal.... most people do come around when presented with the onslaught of evidence that the current strategy is bullshit and bad for everyone.....

    Everyone except the cartels, the gangs, and the police unions whose membership lives off hem.

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  12. Re:Bigger != Better by jythie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem is, drug laws are doing exactly what the designers intended. They were intended to be public weapons against minority groups and immigrants, as well as assist in the political careers of people involved.... of which they have been extremely successful.

  13. Re:I don't get this by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You used an illegal scenario, but how about these:

    Did the guy working packing at the Amazon eat a poppyseed-lemon muffin on his coffee break? Instant FP (goes for inhalers too, btw).

    Did someone who handles large amounts of cash also wrap a package? There's likely trace amounts of cocaine present on the outside of the package then.

    Did someone wrap a package after their macrame class or civil war re-enactment? Oils from the rope will likely cause an FP.

    There are so many drugs out there that to test for all of them means you're also detecting perfectly safe items such as hemp, poppy seeds, etc. as well as traces of illegal items that just happen to be smeared over a significant portion of publicly used cash.

    You know those swabs they take in Airport Security? Those don't test for the majority of drugs or explosives, only a select few. And the sensitivity is turned down quite a bit. Otherwise, anyone who had been around, say, fertilizer, would set the thing off every time they flew.

  14. Re:Bigger != Better by amias · · Score: 2

    gaining a majority is not a mandate , it is just persuading a large group.

    untill we get past the notion that one party/idiom should be in charge we will not have real democracy.

    the whole point of democracy is to have all the views represented in the choices the government makes
    not choosing one or the other every few years.

    we have only got to the point of this flip flop form one side to the other because of corporate funding of
    the major parties , its easy to fund the top two and switch between the too whilst they keep the same agenda.
    if you tried that with a proper democracy with more than a few parties it would be prohibitively expensive to
    by influence.

    IMHO government in a capitalist society should exist to protect the people from negative effects of the market, this isn't happening

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