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Rediscovered Lucas-Commissioned Short "Black Angel" Released On YouTube

eldavojohn writes: Youtube now offers Black Angel, a short film shown in UK theaters before ESB. What was once thought lost is now found; enjoy. This may be the best half-hour you spend today, even if you must "set your clocks back 34 years," as writer and director Roger Christian advises. (Christian is also known for directing 2000's Battlefield Earth .)

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  1. Battlefield Earth sucked by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    The book was good, but the movie was like... one of the worst movies ever made.

    1. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What do you mean, one of the worst movies ever made?

      It's the worst movie ever made!

    2. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Knee+Patch · · Score: 1

      The first half of the book was good. The second half was not good at all. Also, what was up with the whole "nobody in the entire galaxy can make sense of Psychlo math; oh wait, it was just that their number system had a different base this whole time. lol, whoops" thing?

    3. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      As a connoisseur of laughably bad movies, I have to respectively insist that Showgirls is the winner.

    4. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What? I've heard this repeated many times.

      The movie was awful. But it was _much better_ than the book.

      The only reason I finished the book is I was very stubborn back then. Like watching a slow motion car wreck, you think 'this has to get better'. Not unlike the 'Red/Green Mars' series. They only get worse.

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    5. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      That the Psychlo howeward had such a volatile atmosphere that a single nuclear bomb could make the whole planet explode has always fascinated me. Such a planet can't develop a space-faring civilization. Once you give that some thought, the rest of the movie falls apart.

    6. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      ouch... i just read your comment, after i posted mine!

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    7. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gigli

    8. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Worse than Bride of the Monster or Space Mutiny? Wrong again, Ratbrain!

    9. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Six words: Star Wars Holiday Special.

    10. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that six words?

    11. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not unlike the 'Red/Green Mars' series.

      How much duct tape did it take to get Red Green to Mars?

    12. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not according to IMDB.

      It's 88th.

      I've actually seen R.O.T.O.R (the 70th worst of all time) -- trust me, it outsucked Batlefield Earth by a long shot. I've seen Leonard Part 6, number 59 on the list, and it was atrocious.

      Hell, the 6th ranked "The Hottie and the Nottie" has Paris freakin' Hilton in it (who has 2 of the top 20). Fortunately I've not seen that.

      You should really never underestimate how many absolutely terrible movies have been made.

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    13. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 0

      Having not seen it or other ones that scrape the bottom I thing someone needs to undertake a study of this. Some other ones that should be in the running are Gigli, and The Hottie & the Nottie. I mean seriously didn't The Hottie & the Nottie suck so hard that it was pulled from theaters after opening night. Maybe such an activity is specifically banned by the UN convention on human rights, the US constitution, and the Geneva convention.

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    14. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ArcadeMan · · Score: 0

      Does the IMDB takes the actors and budget into account? BFE has to have the worst ratio of all movies ever made.

    15. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      No idea, but surely it took at least two C64's to get there.

    16. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm so meta, even this acronym.

    17. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by gstoddart · · Score: 0

      LOL ... I thought that was Waterworld.

      They only spent $44 million on BFE, after all. But, it might be the highest budget in the list of stinkers.

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    18. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by taustin · · Score: 0

      Alien Apocalypse, with Bruce Campbell and Renée O'Connor, made for the Syphilis Channel's movie of the week. So bad even Bruce Campbell couldn't make it so bad it was good.

    19. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hard to believe but there are far worse.

      Today you can watch BE in context and it's pretty funny. A lot of the dialog and plot is 'good bad' to the point of being laughable. You can see places where there are honestly good actors and directors working around such an unbelievably shit script written to promote the CoS cult's agenda and the result is.. Funny.

      A lot of the FX is pretty good for the era and a lot of the visual concepts are at least interesting. I love how the alien's tech is almost sort of future-analog-retro. Clunky, solid, brutal, unfriendly, but effective.

      If you want pure, unashamed cinema trash look out what Adam Sandler's production company puts out. The fact that Mall Cop 2 exists, and the fact that so many people went to watch it, makes you worry for the future of the human race as rational, thinking beings.

    20. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Why should they take those things into account? Bad is bad. Not everyone deserves a ribbon in the race.

    21. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      In the book, they locked open the teleporter network to thousands of Psychlo worlds, then set a nuke off on the homeworld. The fireball washed over the teleportation fields of other teleporter platforms and ignited thousands of planets in giant nuclear fireballs.

    22. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by omnichad · · Score: 0

      Zardoz, The Room, Birdemic...

    23. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      Six words: Star Wars Holiday Special.

      It was bad, but it wasn't a movie.

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    24. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by AK+Marc · · Score: 0

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt01...

      When Brain Smasher: A Love Story gets rated so much higher, then there's a problem with the ratings system. They knew the thing was bad, so bad, they skipped editing/post-production. The wires on the ninja are clearly visible, and other obvious "we know this is crap, so we aren't spending any more in post-prod" evidence.

      The ratings system misses when a movie is so bad it's good. There should be negative stars for a movie that's unintentionally good. When they miss the point so bad, that it's something else. The funny parts aren't, but the action is funny.

    25. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you just compare it to a series of books where *every* book in a trilogy either won or was nominated for all three of Hugo, Locus, and BSFA awards? The Mars books are some of the most highly regarded works of science fiction in history...

    26. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      What do you mean, one of the worst movies ever made?

      It's the worst movie ever made!

      It surely deserves a place in the pantheon of bad movies, but to be exceptional, I think a bad movie has to be "so bad, it's good." That means it has to demonstrate a certain kind of ineptness that elevates it to a cult-classic of entertainment. The ineptness can be unintentional (Reefer Madness) or intentional (Attack of the Killer Tomatoes) but the ineptness has to be at the level of tragedy instead of mere lousiness.

      And let's not forget the acknowledged master of bad movies Ed Wood, and his most celebrated film: Plan 9 from Outer Space.

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    27. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      And an atmosphere so unstable that any radiation sets off a chain reaction that destroys the planet? They must be well shielded from cosmic radiation and other things, which would cause problems with evolution, since radiation is believed to introduce mutations, most likely helping with the random mutations that got the planet where it is today.

      Or the ancient fighter jet that flies with no maintenance. I'm sure he just skipped the part where the hero read a book on aircraft maintenance and fuel and rebuilt the thing, and distilled fuel for it.

      Yeah, if you were to make a good movie about the book, it wouldn't be good. The book has too many holes that readers just skip over that would be made clear on screen.

    28. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The movie is better because if you sit there for 2 hours, it's done. No effort required. The book takes so much longer, and much more effort to just sit there.

    29. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thing someone needs to undertake a study of this.

      They did.

      A more...professional...take on it.

    30. Re: Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What'dya mean, Waterworld was awesome! Casting Kevin Costner as an asshole was perfect.

    31. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter, they still sucked as hard as Battlefield Earth.

      I can suspend disbelief about most things. But a Mars colony crew recruited in the parking lot of a Grateful Dead concert 6 hours after the show ended? Nope. None of them would have been on crew.

      Spider Robinson wrote good books, but Kim took dad's formula and tried to put his hippie bar patrons on a NASA mission. Doesn't work. They would have died. The fact that hippies like the 'sound of it' and vote proves nothing.

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    32. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit, Birdemic had a sequel?!

      How am I only learning this now?

      Time to schedule skype movie night.

    33. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having just watched it, yes. It is fucking horrible. It could be one of the prequels.

    34. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To fly the Harrier you have to be helicopter pilot trained and aviation fuel goes off under 5 years.

    35. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ArcadeMan · · Score: 0

      Alien Apocalypse, with Bruce Campbell

      Well, now that I know he's in it, I have to watch it!

    36. Re: Battlefield Earth sucked by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      I don't know, something about his character seemed a little fishy...

    37. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Without excellent actors and a budget counted in millions, even relatively bad movies could be counted as "they did okay with what they had".

    38. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by VanGarrett · · Score: 0

      Rubber. It's on Netflix, if you've not discovered it.

    39. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      To be fair, they took a 1200 page book and made a movie that was an hour and 20 minutes long. How much can you really expect.

      If you added up all the LOTR books together it is about the same size, and they made 3 movies that were like 12h long if you look at the extended versions.

      I liked the book, the movie of course was disappointing. However as some pointed out, there are plenty of worse movies out there. However the real analysis of "Worst Movie Ever" has to be some index of Movie Budget VS Movie Suckage as many of the really bad movies out there are very low budget as well so that really isn't a fair comparison either.

      I know Waterworld was thought of as a big bust and had a budget of 172M (1995) to Battlefield's 73M (2000)...

      Here is a list of the most expensive... though a larger list would be better for analysis, though I see a few on there that were not so great:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

    40. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by taustin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't say I didn't warn you. I won a bet on that, on Usenet, with a guy who claimed that it wasn't possible for Bruce Campbell to make a movie so bad it was just bad, since he's the all-time master of so bad it's good. I sent him a copy of the DVD from Amazon[1], on the condition that he watch every frame, and write us a review. His review started, "Wow. I was wrong. Bruce Campbell made a movie so bad it was just bad."

      [1]My personal Scale of Suckage for DVDs is a fraction, the bottom of which is the retail price on Amazon for a brand new copy, and the top of which is the cost of shipping. When that number exceeds one - the shipping is more than the price of the DVD - you know you have a real turkey. It's also a bad, bad sign when used copies are selling for more than new copies.

      Also, I'm told Man with the Screaming Brain, made with the same people at the same time, is actually worse, but Alien Apocalypse aired first, and my momma didn't raise that big a fool.

    41. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Waterworld was an amazingly funny movie. As a comedy, it succeeded. It's just a shame it wasn't shot as a comedy.

    42. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      You must have loved Stargate when it came out....

    43. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by captnjohnny1618 · · Score: 1

      Rubber was definitely not a great movie, but I think I can safely say that I've seen worse. It had just enough weirdness to it to keep it on the edge of tolerable.

      I just watched "They" (also on Netflix) the other night and hated it waaay more than Rubber.

    44. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The book was awesome...when I was 14 years old...does not stand up to a re-read now that I am older.

    45. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty sure "Highlander: The Source" is the worst movie ever made...

    46. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Darinbob · · Score: 0

      Showgirls had the best epilepsy scene. Or was it a sex scene? I'm not really sure. However Showgirls is just so bad that it's actually amusing again and fun to watch just for the comedy value. The trouble is so many movies on the "worst of all time" list fall into that category. A truly awful movie is one that's so bad it's painful to watch, but not so bad that you laugh at it when drunk.

    47. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Kevin+Fishburne · · Score: 1

      In the book, they locked open the teleporter network to thousands of Psychlo worlds, then set a nuke off on the homeworld. The fireball washed over the teleportation fields of other teleporter platforms and ignited thousands of planets in giant nuclear fireballs.

      I haven't read the book or seen the movie, but holy shit that sounds awesome.

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    48. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by alannon · · Score: 2

      You know that Kim Stanley Robinson and Spider Robinson aren't related, right?

    49. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      zardoz is great and a critically acclaimed success.

      and it has some deep things to say about quite a few things, like punishments, ai, immortality and what have you..

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    50. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      The book was good

      Any idea who wrote it?

    51. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ihtoit · · Score: 2

      not really, to fly a harrier you have to be trained to fly... a harrier.

      It is primarily a STOVL, second to being able to hover and land vertically. Generally it has to use a short runway or ramp to takeoff since it'll invariably be laden hence too heavy to lift on corner jets alone. As it's a single engine aircraft, the corner jets are gimballed giving it a far different control behaviour than a helicopter (which has three points of yaw authority (rotor head/rudder/tail rotor), two different points of pitch authority (rotor head/tailplane) and two points of roll authority (rotor head/tailplane), as opposed to a plane's 1-2-2 (rudder-(aileron/tailplane)-(aileron/tailplane)). As a harrier has no differential adjustment for each jet, control direction depends entirely on the orientation of the aircraft and the direction the jets are facing. ONE degree off and the thing can flip or drop out of the sky. This is why so many did. Yes, it's a great idea, but the execution is poor - albeit resulting in the most successful STOVL strike aircraft ever conceived. Hell, it won us the Falklands War. That and several thousand Royal Marines.

      FWIW, the F-35 JSF is also a great concept, it's a crying shame the thing does not perform anywhere near as well as promised - it barely does supersonic, it barely climbs, and supercruise? Forget it. Oh, and the RADAR return instead of being sparrow like, is more like an Airbus. I have a prediction: the UK will suddenly find itself having to find an excuse (like overspent defence budget - HA!) to cancel its order, which started at 140, now sitting at 14 for the SAME PRICE.

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    52. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      guilty.

      Loved the series too, until they wrote O'Neill out as a General and got the Farscape crew in, that fucked it up completely. All they needed was that Muppet.

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    53. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      uh, where'd you get that time from? BFE is 1h58m.

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    54. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Go to Red Letter Media (of the Mr. Plinkett Star Wars prequels reviews fame) and check out their Best of The Worst episodes.

      Or just check out the Things review.

      Battlefield Earth is Oscar-worthy compared to some schlock out there.

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    55. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Math isn't my strong suit apparently...

      I originally said 1.5h, then looked at wiki:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

      saw the "17min" and changed it lol... apparently my memory is better than my maths...

    56. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      One of the greatest space fiction writers to ever live: L. Ron Hubbard. He was a master of telling people shit he just made up.

    57. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought LRH was kind of a half-assed sci-fi author. He just had the bright idea to convince people that one of his half-assed sci-fi stories was true and charge them money to "fix" the "problem" it claimed they suffered from.

    58. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Could have sworn it was his kid.

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    59. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      The 'Star Wars Holiday Special' is that little deformed child that the rest of Star Wars keeps locked up in the attic. .

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    60. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      Stargate has one of the biggest and most annoying technical errors ever in the more 'serious' sci-fi, it uses two versions of physics that are completely totally incompatible. In SG Wormhole gateways like the Stargates allow instant travel anywhere in time or space and Stargate ships use finite speed 'hyperdrive', but wormholes are totally incompatible with a universe where finite speed FTL travel is possible.
      Star Trek made the same mistake in DS9 - no warp drive and wormholes... :(
      Long distance wormholes require space on the large to bend - but in a universe with a stable hyperspace this is totally impossible. Also without a stable hyperspace the universe cannot technically exist.

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    61. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      It depends on how the theoretical spaces work. You can have multiple things in the same space. Just where you're sitting, there is air, light, heat, radio waves, sound waves, gravity, probably a few neutrinos.

      I just used "spaces" because I couldn't think of a more appropriate word.

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    62. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry about that.. This thing with Stargate has annoyed me for years. Have to admit that I'm actually working on the problem.. :)

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    63. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      He was quite well regarded by Clarke and Heinlein, but definitiely not in the same rank as them when it came to writing. He could churn out money making words though.

    64. Re:Battlefield Earth sucked by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      I was gonna say, not only was that abortion a waste of two hours of my life, it made me think it'd taken 45 minutes I didn't have in the first place?? o.0

      To borrow a colloquialism, "LOL". And "Movies so full of holes they have time warps".

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  2. Don't actually set your clock to 1981 by skoskav · · Score: 5, Funny

    The SSL certificate for the video source won't validate, making the youtube video halt downloading after a while.

    1. Re:Don't actually set your clock to 1981 by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Ok, that is a nerd joke right there. Mod parent up!

    2. Re:Don't actually set your clock to 1981 by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      I have admit this was my first thought. Probably only because I had an upstream ntp server kak on me last week.

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  3. Weak "yea" I guess on this by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    Maybe the only good film ever directed by some guy who worked on Star Wars and has a tie to Lucas. I guess it gets a weak "yea" but this guy is not a good director. I had an unusual chance a few years ago to have a personal conversation with an actor or actress (I'm unwilling to name who I talked to) who appeared in "Prisoner Of The Sun" which finally got released last year and was directed by Christian. I specifically asked about that film and the person who acted in it said that they had doubts that it would ever see the light of day and they didn't think it was probably going to be very good if it did. Based on the IMDB rating, it looks like that person was right. I can say that the person I talked to did not have any negative comments about Christian himself, they just didn't really have a good feeling about that movie. Not sure given the track record that I'm going to invest 30 minutes in watching this one.

    1. Re:Weak "yea" I guess on this by taustin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IMO, you won't miss much. I was bored before it actually started, by the director's monotone, talking about how wonderful a film it was, and how Lucas copied him in one of the SW movies. Yawn. Then, the opening credits took about five minutes (which is to say, five minutes of Scottish scenery, with bland music, followed by a few seconds of the title), then about five minutes of the protagonist riding his horse though Scottish scenery, with bland music. So you're nearly halfway through before anything happens at all, including dialog.

      And whoever choreographed the fight scene has never been in the same room with an actual sword - they couldn't even cut the scene well enough to hide the fact that the protagonist is staring constantly as the stunt man's hands to avoid breaking his fingers.

      So, as I said, you won't miss much. Unless you like Scottish scenery and bland music.

    2. Re: Weak "yea" I guess on this by angryflute · · Score: 1

      I would also add that this film short needs much tighter editing (my sense is that this could be cut down to 6 minutes), and a lot of the footage is dark, muddy, because there wasn't enough lighting on set.

    3. Re:Weak "yea" I guess on this by jandrese · · Score: 1

      My experience with lost/rediscovered films like this is that they were usually lost for a reason. Nobody cared enough to keep it safe when it was new, and today it is at best a historical curiosity. More often the film is just straight up boring or terrible and maybe it was lost for a reason.

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    4. Re:Weak "yea" I guess on this by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      'American Graffiti' was good, George's last good movie.

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    5. Re:Weak "yea" I guess on this by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I remember that I liked 'Star Wars.' Not enough to see any of the sequels, tho. I have a faint memory of enjoying it in the theater in 1977.

    6. Re:Weak "yea" I guess on this by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      I had a long conversation over lunch just a couple years ago with a Star Wars actress, the content of said conversation shall remain private. Jus' sayin', "I had lunch with Camie Loneozner!" :D

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    7. Re: Weak "yea" I guess on this by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      yeah, I turned it off after nine minutes and switched to Adam Savage building a Kirk chair, which was more dramatic and better-shot. The director was both disrespectful of the audience's time and too lazy to use more than one camera on any given scene, or go back and get secondary photography with the o. I was watching his long zooms and imagining all the obvious good shots he was ignoring. Poor UK folk who didn't know to show up 30 minutes late to ESB. The dude was incredibly lucky to get the opportunity and did not put in his best-possible effort.

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    8. Re: Weak "yea" I guess on this by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      yeah, I turned it off after nine minutes and switched to Adam Savage building a Kirk chair, which was more dramatic and better-shot. The director was both disrespectful of the audience's time and too lazy to use more than one camera on any given scene, or go back and get secondary photography with the one camera he could afford to rent. I was watching his long zooms and imagining all the obvious good shots he was ignoring. Poor UK folk who didn't know to show up 30 minutes late to ESB.

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  4. Battlefield Earth by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

    Christian is also known for directing 2000's Battlefield Earth

    Which is, among other things, a very funny movie - after i saw it, i always wondered why it is considered "one of the worse movies" (as i read about in some "lists")... people missed its humor.

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    1. Re:Battlefield Earth by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you're not thinking about Starship Troopers? I liked the over-the-top parody of "everything is militarized" point of view from the first day I saw it.

    2. Re:Battlefield Earth by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      It's the modern "Plan 9 from Outer Space": So bad it's good.

    3. Re:Battlefield Earth by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you're not thinking about Starship Troopers? I liked the over-the-top parody of "everything is militarized" point of view from the first day I saw it.

      I am sure i am thinking about Battlefield Earth - more sure because after i posted my comment i saw an earlier writing "Battlefield Earth... sucks"! I even double cheched in the internet before i anwser to you...

      Never watched Starship Troopers - i will check it. By the way, one reason i liked Battlefield Earth was because its humor had much to do with "military relations" (i cant think a good term in English), and it reminded me many things from my own military service.

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    4. Re:Battlefield Earth by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      It's the modern "Plan 9 from Outer Space": So bad it's good.

      But Battlefield Earth was supposed to be funny (as it was... i think!), more of a "parodic" way, not in a ridiculous way as "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ended up to be - well, haters gonna hate...

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    5. Re:Battlefield Earth by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The funniest part about BE? The clams think it's a good book and the movie was a disappointment.

      In fact the director did an admirable job of taking a total POS book and making a slightly less bad movie out of it.

      The worst part about BE the book? It set the clams off on the 'Invasion Earth' series, which is EVEN WORSE. Especially the early ones L. Ron had a hand in.

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    6. Re:Battlefield Earth by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1
      You comment just helped me join the pieces and answer some questions i had about the movie - like an "epiphany": yes... Scientology, Travolta, the scenario...

      And i glad someone other than me also finds it "NOT the worst movie ever" - actually, as i said I find it funny enough!

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    7. Re:Battlefield Earth by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I thought church brass got their finger into the mix and mucked it up because they are newbies at directing and driven by ideological concerns.

    8. Re:Battlefield Earth by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      Someone else replied to my comment yesterday and i managed to make the connection with Scientology, something i totaly had missed, and something you confirm - not much Scientology here in Greece (thank God - i am religious -Greek Orthodox Christian-, you can say whatever you want about us, but i am telling you that the very few of these Greek Scientologist guys -about a dozen, not more- are seriously crazy... hospitalized crazy...).

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  5. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought it was a total piece of crap. If this is their idea of drumming up interest in a new film, I'll pass thank you. I'm angry because I lost a half hour of my life over that piece of crap. 34 years ago it would have also sucked!

    1. Re:Seriously? by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      I saw this on Netflix last year, and yes, I wish I could get that half hour of my life back.

    2. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give it another chance, only this time with the YouTube automatic subtitties on.

    3. Re:Seriously? by Livius · · Score: 1

      I felt the implied recommendation was a new low for Slashdot.

      About 3 minutes of story dragged out over 30 minutes.

      (At least, I hope there was a story beyond just a creepy pedophile stalking a child and attempting to murder her legal guardian for reasons I prefer not to try to imagine.)

  6. the best half-hour you spend today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you're a VIRGIN!

    1. Re:the best half-hour you spend today... by chopper749 · · Score: 2

      ... and you're still a virgin at the end of the day. Otherwise, no.

  7. Is there a spoiler explanation somewhere ? by aepervius · · Score: 1

    I have watched it, and I know the story as shown, but there are a lot of symbolism which escapes me.

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    1. Re:Is there a spoiler explanation somewhere ? by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      I have watched it, and I know the story as shown, but there are a lot of symbolism which escapes me.

      No there isn't. That is the movie. It really is just shit.

  8. A half hour shot to hell.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Good god. I only watched it cause I had a half hour to kill before picking up the kid from school. The time would have been better spent picking lint from my navel.

    1. Re:A half hour shot to hell.... by turp182 · · Score: 1

      You must have considerably more navel lint that I do.

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  9. Uh, where's Jessica Alba by CycloneGT · · Score: 2

    No Jessica Alba. Doh!

  10. Just no by timepilot · · Score: 4, Funny

    This may be the best half-hour you spend today

    Only if the other 23.5 hours were spent getting poked in the eye with a sharp stick. What a load of crap.

  11. In other cinema news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    "Men's Rights Activists Call for Boycott of 'Mad Max: Fury Road,' Citing Feminist Agenda"

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.c...

    The real money shot of this article is this quote from the "men's rights activist":

    "men in America and around the world are going to be duped by explosions, fire tornadoes, and desert raiders into seeing what is guaranteed to be nothing more than feminist propaganda, while at the same time being insulted AND tricked into viewing a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes."

    Got that? "..a piece of American culture."

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    1. Re:In other cinema news... by aaron4801 · · Score: 1

      To be fair, "American culture" is just whatever we've stolen from everybody else and claimed as our own. Mad Max is as American as Hamburgers!

    2. Re:In other cinema news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up you SJW moron. THe first mad max movie might have been australian, but it was an obvious pean to american culture and was then expanded and improved by AMERICANS for AMERICAN audiences. And also primarily by MEN, I might add.

    3. Re:In other cinema news... by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      Wow. That is certainly the first time I've ever seen someone describing Mad Max as "socialist". Oh, us poor men, to be duped by explosions and pretty women into watching communist propaganda! Before you know it, we'll sing the International, while embracing our inner female. Shortly after that, the USA will fall to North Korea and we're all going to be enslaved in the uranium mines...

      Well, this certainly made my day! Thank you ;)

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    4. Re:In other cinema news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Mad Max is as American as Hamburgers!

      We didn't steal Mad Max. It is an Australian character, written by Australians, acted by Australians and directed by Australians.

      Mad Max is as American as kangaroos.

      Hell, even Tom Hardy the new Mad Max, is a British actor.

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    5. Re:In other cinema news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      THe first mad max movie might have been australian

      No, ALL the Mad Max movies were directed by George Miller, who is Australian. The characters are all Australian. None of the Mad Max movies were made by Americans. They are all set in the Australian outback and MADE IN AUSTRALIA.

      The funny thing about GamerGate is that they think they know their stuff, but really, they don't know anything about the what they claim to love.

      and was then expanded and improved by AMERICANS for AMERICAN audiences.

      Nope. Not even close.

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    6. Re:In other cinema news... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Got that? "..a piece of American culture."

      To be fair, Australia loves to emulate the US. A lot of our car culture comes from the US with our most popular cars having big American engines that produce stupidly low amounts of power for their displacement as well as handling that wouldn't be envied by a river barge.

      The Ford Falcons used in the original Mad Max were basically American designs made in Australia.

      I'm kind of curious how they consider it an assault on mens rights... but I'm worried that the kind of stupidity that comes up with things like this is infectious over the Internet.

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    7. Re:In other cinema news... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      GM has shut down Holden. But as a consolation, you'll be allowed to buy the Corvette in oz now.

    8. Re:In other cinema news... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      Mel Gibson was born in New York, didn't move to Australia until after he had turned ten.

      Jussayin'.

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    9. Re:In other cinema news... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The funny thing about GamerGate is that they think they know their stuff, but really, they don't know anything about the what they claim to love.

      Especially integrity in gaming journalism. Man, I miss the days when I was young and Nintendo Power seemed awesome. Well, the Zelda maps were pretty cool...

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    10. Re:In other cinema news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I haven't gotten past the joke of "Men's Rights Activists."

  12. Re:Uh, where's Jessica Alba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're thinking of *Dark* Angel, this is *Black* Angel.

  13. Not the original title by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    It was actually called "White Angel", until 2008 when Lucas decided it wasn't urban enough, and CG'd the titular character.

  14. Four words by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    Star Wars Holiday Special.

    That is all.

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  15. Re:Uh, where's Jessica Alba by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    There is another Dark Angel, it's got Dolph Lundgren in it.

    "I come in peace!"

    "And you go in pieces, asshole."

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  16. You can't be serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely this is some kind of joke.

    Yeah, they used decent cameras, but everything else is so... I don't even know what to call it.

    I actually had to stop halfway through it to carefully consider whether I'd had an aneurysm of some kind, or perhaps ate a bunch of LSD and forgot I did it.

    I imagine Lucas is probably still mad about this thing.

  17. The book IS better... by denzacar · · Score: 2

    You just have to read it early enough... Like when you're 11-14.
    Old enough to be interested in SciFi beyond simple space opera but not yet learned enough to be repelled by bad or pulpy writing. Though Hubbard sorta-kinda covered his ass there by claiming in-universe that the book was intentionally written that way.

    E.g. On the inside cover of my library copy someone wrote "money is an idea backed with confidence".
    Someone found that information so novel and fascinating, they had to write it down.
    On the inside cover of the book they've read it from.

    Just try imagining what could someone write on the inside of the DVD case of the movie.

    Also, the book is full of some really fine pulpy action and adventure.
    And it even manages to make negotiations and CONTRACTS exciting.
    The movie literally put me to sleep first (and only) time I saw it.
    Plus, the book is not dumb enough to have them flying harriers and raiding Fort Knox and doing all other nonsense which was not in the book.

    Later though... One might find the book even more fascinating, but in a different way.
    Like how much it echoes stories intentionally written to be a satire of an ultra-right pulp fairytale.
    All of it clearly without the author realizing how steeped in those ideas his writing was.

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  18. Not quite... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    In the book, teleporters all check in with the homeworld at a set date to send back ore and to replenish their atmosphere, food and workforce stock.
    As there is no hyperspace communication or FTL travel, once the Psychlo world gets turned into a "radioactive sun", everyone just keeps checking in, one at a time, and blowing themselves up.

    To clear up...
    Not every planet got turned into a sun. That happens only to the main planet which had that special breathing-gas of theirs which reacted violently to uranium.
    On other planets, only their central mining camps around the teleporting platforms explode - with all their remaining supplies of atmosphere and food.
    Which they can only get from their home planet.

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  19. They used teleportation. by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Even their aircraft worked on a form of teleportation.

    As for the nukes... it was actually a case of many dirty bombs exploding under an energy shield, down through a hollowed out core of the planet which was mined for hundreds of thousands of years.

    Here:

    Finally they projected it. What a brilliant picture! They had thought it might be fuzzy such as you get with heat waves. But the light that had traveled for over a year was crystal-clear and straight.

    There was the imperial City of Psychlo. Circular tram rails, streets down from its cliffs like conveyor belts. They even carried the idea of mining into their city design.
    Huge, bustling Psychlo! The center of power of the universes. The hub of the great, cruel claw that raked the bones from planets and peoples everywhere. There was the three-hundred-two-thousand-year-old monster itself, spread out in its sadistic and ugly might!

    Neither Jonnie nor Angus had ever seen a live city of that size before. A hundred million population? A billion? Not the planet, just the city above the lower plain. Look at the trams. Rails that ran in circular spirals. Cars that looked for all the world like mine cars but full of people. Mobs in the streets. Mobs! Not riots. Just Psychlos.

    You ever see so many beings? Even in such a tiny size one could see mobs!
    They were daunted.
    They compared it to their own towns, even to their own ruined cities. These didn't measure up to it at all.
    What arrogance to attack anything like that.
    They were so awestruck and impressed they hadn't even been looking at the transshipment rig of Psychlo. They missed the beginning and had to track back.

    They adjusted the projector lens and position to get the transshipment platform of Psychlo more centered and enlarged.
    And then they saw the whole sequence, just as it had occurred right after Jonnie and Windsplitter had raced across the Earth platform.

    First, there were the Psychlo workers racing out to leave the platform clear for the incoming semiannual from Earth. There were flatbeds lined up to receive coffins and personnel.
    There was the first shimmer of arrival of the Psychlos Jonnie and Windsplitter had knocked down.
    Then a small puff.
    There were the Psychlo workmen flinching back.
    A force screen had gone on! A dome over the platform had closed instantly to contain that small explosion. It could not have been an atmosphere armor cable. Some sort of shimmering, sparkling screen. Transparent but very much there.

    Trucks had time to start up before anything else occurred. One huge emergency truck had lunged nearer the platform, evidently to handle the minor blast. A whole minute went by.
    Then the first lethal coffin exploded!
    A big âoeplanet busterâ nuclear bomb, nestled into a bed of dirty mines.
    The force screen held.

    The holocaust was contained. The boiling, ferocious blast had not even bulged the screen.
    Then another shock as the second coffined âoeplanet busterâ went off.
    The screen held! Good lord, what technology to build a screen like that. What power it must take to hold it.
    Another shock inside that dome. The third planet buster. It and all its ancient, very dirty atomic bombs. The screen held.

    Psychlos were racing toward it from far off. Those near the platform were flattened by concussion transmitting through the screen.
    The fourth contained bomb went off. The screen still held.
    But the transmitted concussion had hurled the emergency truck backward. Nearby buildings lost their glass.
    The ground was shaking as though hit by gigantic earthquakes.

    A nearby building suddenly dropped downward as though sucked from below. Other buildings began to go the same way.
    The fifth bomb went off!
    And seen in slow motion, first narrowly, then more broadly, the entire scene went into a churning, boiling mass of atomic fire.
    No, something more! Molten, flaming fire was erupting in spots all over the plain.
    They widened the angle quickly.

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