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Silk Road's Leader Paid a Doctor To Help Keep Customers Safe

An anonymous reader writes: Two years after the fall of Silk Road, new facts about the saga are still emerging all the time. The latest revelation is that Dread Pirate Roberts, the leader of Silk Road, paid a doctor $500 per week to offer public and private counseling to customers of the site. DoctorX, also known as Dr. Fernando Caudevilla, became famous for his free work on the site. The fact that he was eventually paid a salary is being used by lawyers for Ross Ulbricht to argue that Silk Road emphasized harm reduction and was, on the whole, a huge improvement in safety for drug users.

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  1. EL OH EL OH EL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only true if said doctor kicked back a portion of his fees to DPR

    1. Re:EL OH EL OH EL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He paid that doctor less money than I was making at the age of 16, working a part-time job doing tech support. There wasn't enough for a kickback.

    2. Re: EL OH EL OH EL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you want us to be impressed or something?

    3. Re: EL OH EL OH EL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, are you a fry cook or something? Why would anyone be impressed with that crap pay? The statement was meant to underline just how little this "doctor" was being paid.

  2. America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Billions of taxpayer dollars every year that could be allocated to education, repairing roads/bridges and other infrastructure (rail, anyone?) are instead spent on keeping substances illegal and locking up addicts.

    Millions of dollars worth of taxpayers' legitimate cash and bank account balances are stolen by the government every year through nebulous civil forfeiture laws. If you get pulled over on your way home from Las Vegas and you have a few thousand bucks cash in your car, consider that money gone, and probably your car too, all owned by the government now as part of the War on Drugs. They don't have to prove you guilty of any crime, or even accuse you of a crime!

    How many people, innocent or guilty, have been outright executed by police since the 70s using "OMG illegal narcotics" as a justification? How many tens of thousands of American citizens are in prison right now because they were caught carrying a plant that grows in the ground?

    Wake the fuck up and let's put an end to this nonsense.

    1. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by g0bshiTe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree it's time to end it, I don't think those in power will want to give up their stranglehold on the cash cow it's become.

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    2. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      The problem is that politicians aren't necessarily in the business of common sense, and police departments need their revenue, just like any other third world country. (And no, I'm not saying the US is a third world country, just that our police departments behave like one. Though third world countries may even be a little more honest, because they don't hide the fact that they need bribes to keep working.)

      Remember how Chuck Schumer ordered the DOJ to seize their domain name, and was royally pissed when he found out that there was no domain name to seize? He doesn't give a shit about Silk Road being more safe than street dealers, rather in his own pathetic little mind, he seems to think that you can keep a hippie off of drugs by just hiding his joints. But in his defense, that is a common theme amongst his fellow democrats who also happen to think that banning guns will 100% keep them out of the hands of criminals as well.

    3. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree it's time to end it, I don't think those in power will want to give up their stranglehold on the cash cow it's become.

      By "those in power" you mean the representatives we vote to put IN that position of power so they don't abuse the cash cow that OUR money brings in with taxes, right?

      Let's not be ignorant here as to where the real problem lies and why.

    4. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Nrrqshrr · · Score: 2

      Indeed, the problem is how, in order to garner support for the War on Drugs, anyone using drugs was for years painted as a complete and utter social failure. Your son is smoking pot? Holy shit you better call the cops on his ass or tomorrow morning he will be shooting speed!!!!
      The fear of drugs was implanted so deep in our societies that anyone willing to call out the WoD on it's uselessness might as well claim he fiddles little children's weewees at night, he might generate a lighter backlash with this claim.

      No politician in our PC-heavy climate would even dare to think about it.

    5. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But in his defense, that is a common theme amongst his fellow democrats who also happen to think that banning guns will 100% keep them out of the hands of criminals as well.

      That's not what Democrats think about gun control, 100% success is no more expected than with any other endeavor.

      But it is the Republicans who have the real problem with legalization, even as they mouth their professed faith on libertarian principles.

    6. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      That's not what Democrats think about gun control, 100% success is no more expected than with any other endeavor.

      Really? So why do they even bother if they know that it's not possible?

    7. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      anyone willing to call out the WoD on it's uselessness might as well claim he fiddles little children's weewees at night, he might generate a lighter backlash with this claim.

      No politician in our PC-heavy climate would even dare to think about it.

      It's not 1986 anymore and the "PC-heavy climate" is entirely in your head.

      http://www.westword.com/news/senate-medical-marijuana-bill-has-big-name-support-but-not-from-colorado-6594905

    8. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, the problem is how, in order to garner support for the War on Drugs, anyone using drugs was for years painted as a complete and utter social failure. Your son is smoking pot? Holy shit you better call the cops on his ass or tomorrow morning he will be shooting speed!!!!
      The fear of drugs was implanted so deep in our societies that anyone willing to call out the WoD on it's uselessness might as well claim he fiddles little children's weewees at night, he might generate a lighter backlash with this claim.

      No politician in our PC-heavy climate would even dare to think about it.

      Fine, forget the War on Drugs then. Let's start with the War on Pot.

      I challenge the politicians even in this climate to stand up there and beat their bullshit drum, going on and on about how "deadly" and addictive it is. We've all but destroyed the book of lies about this plant, to the point of full recreational legalization in certain states. It's time the rest of the country woke up and removed half of the damn burden on our prison and legal system.

    9. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its not possible to stop murder. So we should get rid of the laws against it, why bother if it's not possible?

      Just because perfection can't be achieved doesn't mean something isn't worth doing.

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    10. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      You can't end the War on drugs, any more than you can end the IRS, too many other industries require it now.

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    11. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think s/he means the drug lords.

    12. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      I don't know. We did get rid of prohibition. Granted, alcohol was a vastly more accepted drug at the time, but I think what is required is simply what is happening now: people waking up to the issue of the War on Drugs and taking action to get things decriminalized.

      I'm not a big fan of drugs. Far from it. Still, these people need to be getting treatment and not jail time.

      Drugs should be legal, controlled, and taxed. That tax money should go towards helping to eradicate dependence on drugs and not go to the General Fund. It is amazing that we have taken this long to even start to come around, but I think it will happen.

    13. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Those in power have banded together against their voters....

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    14. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ROTFLMAO. I think it is both hilarious and sad when people talk about how they "put" someone in office as if the choice was an open one. That ignores the fact that your choices were already dwindled down to almost nothing up front. When you vote for a politician these days you pretty much have a choice of which half of the shit sandwich you want. I don't really call that freedom of choice myself. I can think of 100 people off the top of my head that would make a better president than Obama and Bush, but they were never an option.

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    15. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      "No politician in our PC-heavy climate would even dare to think about it. "

      Oh, I think one might at least. It is discussed quite openly in Vermont, and I seem to recall other states have legalized it as well. This suggests to me that more that one politician has been brave enough to speak truthfully on the subject.

      Frankly I always knew that weed would be legalized and Windows would finally be recognized as the garbage it is by most qualified people in technology. I'm just surprised it has taken the former longer to transpire than the latter :-)

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    16. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      And also, because it's no war on drugs; it's a war on personal freedom, and that war is never going to end.

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    17. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      "I'm not a big fan of drugs. Far from it. Still, these people need to be getting treatment and not jail time."

      Or, what with it being legal and all, they could just get their drugs! Most of the drug using population doesn't need rehab, and many others need it because they can't get enough because it is so expensive (e.g. Heroin addicts.)

      I know. I know. You didn't say that! Perhaps you didn't mean to imply it either, I don't know. It seems like many people here think that a person who does drugs automatically needs help / rehab. Hilariously, perhaps, they may do so as they sip a glass of one of the most dangerous drugs on the planet.

      Do you know why I want them to legalize all drugs? Well, let's see. To start with, the laws are completely anti-freedom, so it would be nice to see us go back to paying a modicum of attention to that little concept. It would be really nice to see people get help who need it, and those who aren't harming anyone left to live their lives. But the number 1 reason I want to see them legalized? Maybe I friggin' want to do some less dangerous drug than Alcohol, like Cocaine or Heroin for example, without having to risk getting ripped off, going to jail, or worse just because I don't want to do the worse drug I have ever tried, to wit, Alcohol!

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    18. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Huh? What are you talking about, it's working great! We can incarcerate people and use them for forced labour, serving as a money maker for the prison complex and cheap labor too. We protect the interests of pharma corporations who'd have to compete with drugs that actually DO work against various ailments, maybe even cure them instead of treating them (which is a serious dent in the profit, it's far more profitable to treat than to cure) but have expired patents and could be pumped out cheaply, or even be produced fairly easily in DIY processes. And we protect the interests of alcohol and tobacco corporations who'd have to compete with less dangerous, cheaper and more satisfying recreational drugs.

      What's not to like?

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    19. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Alcohol is a far more "acceptable" drug than, say, pot. Because it has a negative side effect. You get a hangover. So you "pay" for having a buzz. With pot, this ain't the case.

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    20. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I used to think that way, but I don't think anymore that this would be a good idea. There are certain drugs that are illegal for a damn good reason. That shit IS deadly. Not because it's cut, not because it's made in a less than perfect process, but because the shit simply is dangerous. Crack being one, and Croc sure being the latest addition to the fold of the horrible few.

      Seriously, compared to that shit, heroin is a safe and sane drug. Which isn't so far from truth, though I'd not consider pumping that stuff directly into your veins a sensible idea. It is a very good pain killer, though.

      Drugs, like any recreation activity, should be done responsibly and with care. In moderation and with the relevant safety procedures in place. I would at the very least recommend informing people about this. In a sane and sensible way, away from the current scare craze that serves nothing but leading to a "cry wolf" situation where people don't believe any kind of warning you may have for them. Because there IS very nasty shit out there that you should certainly avoid, and that you can easily avoid if more potent and less dangerous drugs (yes, that combination is very possible) are available cheaply.

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    21. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      "I used to think that way, but I don't think anymore that this would be a good idea. There are certain drugs that are illegal for a damn good reason. "

      That is a ridiculous thing to say. While I agree with you that Meth, for example, is a horrible drug and should be avoided, that continues to be true regardless of legality. Keeping it illegal does essentially nothing to stop people from doing it, and people who don't smoke it are very unlikely to say "Hey, I really like the way that guys teeth are rotted out! I think I'll try me some of that there Meth! if it becomes legal.

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    22. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Neither luck nor the law will likely often be ever in your favor.

      If you're carrying substantial cash back from Vegas: a) Good for you! Most of us do not, hence the billion dollar casinos and the million dollar light bills keeping that outfit lit up at night. b) If you have enough currency on you to make a civil servant drool, do not smoke skunk weed in the car. With a tail light out. And cocaine sequestered in the spare.

      I remember laughing at my girlfriend who was yelling at the television during the soaps attempting to warn a female character of some impending treachery. And then, during a random episode of Cops, I heard my mouth say (loudly), "You sir, are an example of someone who should find a vocation in a career other than crime. Forethought and caution are not your forte." Dumbass.

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    23. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still, these people need to be getting treatment and not jail time.

      Not on my tax dollar. Why should I pay for druggies to (try) to get them off drugs?

    24. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      "I used to think that way, but I don't think anymore that this would be a good idea. There are certain drugs that are illegal for a damn good reason. "

      That is a ridiculous thing to say. While I agree with you that Meth, for example, is a horrible drug and should be avoided, that continues to be true regardless of legality. Keeping it illegal does essentially nothing to stop people from doing it, and people who don't smoke it are very unlikely to say "Hey, I really like the way that guys teeth are rotted out! I think I'll try me some of that there Meth! if it becomes legal.

      Wrong as rain, Zeke.

      An acquaintance of mine, who has a past relationship with smoking the meth and the cocaine, has given everything up except cigarettes and whiskey.

      He would love to give up the cigs, and live as long as possible, healthily enough to enjoy the whiskey.

      Harder to Get.

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    25. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? So why do they even bother if they know that it's not possible?

      You mean why do they bother, knowing they can't expect 100% success?

      Because there are benefits even with outcomes that are less than 100% successful, sometimes this warrants taking action.

      Is this something about that which you have a problem understanding?

    26. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      This suggests to me that more that one politician has been brave enough to speak truthfully on the subject.

      Legalization in the western states did not occur through politicians. It occurred through the referendum process, which few (any?) eastern states have. The politicians were mostly opposed to legalization. They couldn't afford the wrath of the police and prison guard unions.

    27. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Picking people at random out of the phone book would produce a better president than Bush or Obama.

    28. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, we can legalize drugs, and tax them. The powers that be will make even MORE money off of the legal drug trade. The powers that be are the same ones that control the exorbitant prices on bridge and infrastructure, they are the same ones that control the legal drug trade, they are the same ones that hold positions on the board of prison industries of America. Drug dealers and cops are but buddies. They each make each other tons of money. Things will only get better when mom and pop start killing the gang stars selling the drugs on the corner. Nobody should ever go to jail for an addiction. They should go for treatment. No one should ever go to jail for selling drugs to people who can't help themselves. They should go to the morgue.

      In the USA our government is actively working against the interest of her citizens. The state controls the sale of alcohol, the sale of lottery tickets, the sale of cigarettes, and now you want the government to control the sale of crack. Awesome.

    29. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Billions of taxpayer dollars every year that could be allocated to education, repairing roads/bridges and other infrastructure (rail, anyone?) are instead spent on keeping substances illegal and locking up addicts.

      I agree, but it is more complex than that. Just like a miracle and free cure for diabetes could not be unleashed overnight in the US because it would have a catastrophic effect on the economy, and even though cures are a good thing, and always a good thing. But we can't just gut the massive revenue of massive employers. Law enforcement employes a lot of people. A non-substantial amount of the justification for keeping them employed, gainfully employed, and spending in their community is gratefully provided by keeping illegal a plant that 85% (or more) of US voters want legal, and civilly disobey the law, again, keeping law enforcement busy busy busy. Clear evidence of this is when all the elected sheriffs in Florida actively campeigned against allowing cannibis to become MEDICINE. Your health is not as important as bankrolling the law, in Florida, anyway. Also, keeping cannibis illegal is far more important to law enforcement than closing the cases of violent crimes. There just aren't enough violent crimes to justify the amount of law enforcement. So there is big money involved here, and all that money you may think is just going to appear out of no where will have a devistating effect on the economy of law enforcement, effectively crippling it. Really, I think, they'll just be sad for a while the cash cow died, then get it together by utilizing technology to increase efficiency.

      Millions of dollars worth of taxpayers' legitimate cash and bank account balances are stolen by the government every year through nebulous civil forfeiture laws.

      This was a good idea, in theory. The trouble is that it is fucking over innocent people. Just one of those that have been fucked needs to get their forfeiture case before the Supreme Court somehow, because good laws applied poorly always get the boot by SCOTUS, even in a conservative court. And with the very recent change in tenor to how we deal with poor police behavior, hopefully this trend will continue and police will get better at understanding the limits of their authority to identify and pursue crime.

    30. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is how it is done in Netherlands!

      tl;dr - goverment gives drugs for free, crime drops down

    31. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Picking people at random out of the phone book would produce a better president than Bush or Obama.

      Picking people at random out of prison would produce a better president than Bush or Obama. Even when not taking into account that those who showed to care more about the Constitution than the government tend to have been incarcerated.

      But the problem is that picking a good president is like putting a good head on a rotting fish. It's not going to do the job by itself.

    32. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I think it would be far more sensible to ensure that more interesting and less damaging alternatives are legal. If there's legal heroin from a stable and clean production, there's no need for desomorphine made in less than optimal circumstances with more toxic junk than active substance in the mix.

      Pretty much any "horrible" drug has a less dangerous and sometimes even better working alternative, with the "horrible" version only having a market because the cleaner version is either not available or more expensive, and both of these conditions are rather due to their legal status than the actual production cost or possible supply of precursor materials.

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    33. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Well under the current system your tax dollar is paying the police and jail systems to catch and lock up druggies, and if those druggies just continue to take drugs you will be paying for an endless cycle of them being released and jailed again shortly after. It's very expensive to keep someone locked up in jail.

      The idea is that if drugs were legalized, the sale of them would be taxed and the revenue from those taxes would pay for rehab and education...

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    34. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Legalizing drugs wouldn't automatically decrease the law enforcement budget. Drugs being illegal actually costs money, and legalizing them would not decrease the available budget. If anything, legalized drugs would increase the available budget as legal drugs would be taxed in the same way tobacco/alcohol are.

      The cops would just need to find something else to do, and there is plenty of other non drug related crime that they could investigate. Plenty of crimes get ignored by the police these days because there are insufficient resources to investigate them. If you were to reassign all the resources used to investigate drugs then there would be a lot more available to police other matters.

      Even jails wouldn't necessarily lose out all that much, as while investigating other crimes the police would catch more people committing other crimes, crimes which cause harm to innocent parties (Which is often not the case with drug use).

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    35. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      So what was the Dread Pirate Roberts 'SIC' really doing, keeping his addicts alive so that they could keep buying very addictive and very expensive drugs funded by the crimes drug addicts often commit. So good or evil hmmm, fucking as evil as hell and it is the thought that counts in this case. This is definitely the prosecution should really hammer home, keeping addicts going and keeping the drug fueled crime going. Less addictive drugs, sure no problem, doing this with really addictive dangerous drugs, really fucking sick.

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    36. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Yup. And it's not just true for the President. My city recently had a primary for mayor. The 3 choices were the current mayor, with a history of raising taxes and spending on "projects" while neglecting failing infrastructure, a crazy guy who doesn't even LIVE in the city, and some guy nobody's ever heard of. The crazy guy got eliminated, so the big race will be between the status quo and the no-name guy. I don't think no-name has a chance.

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    37. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      > But the problem is that picking a good president is like putting a good head on a rotting fish. It's not going to do the job by itself.

      This. We would do better to pick every single one of their positions by lot

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    38. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      ts not possible to stop murder. So we should get rid of the laws against it, why bother if it's not possible?

      Let me rephrase that question: What are they attempting to accomplish?

    39. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      ROTFLMAO. I think it is both hilarious and sad when people talk about how they "put" someone in office as if the choice was an open one. That ignores the fact that your choices were already dwindled down to almost nothing up front. When you vote for a politician these days you pretty much have a choice of which half of the shit sandwich you want. I don't really call that freedom of choice myself. I can think of 100 people off the top of my head that would make a better president than Obama and Bush, but they were never an option.

      Moreover, it's even less of a choice for those who don't believe there should be a President at all. The American government system can only grow bigger, never smaller, so those who believe it has gotten too large are out of luck. To those people even if you have a good candidate (not that that would ever happen) you're just running a good candidate for a bad office.

    40. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember watching the 3rd party debate in 2012 and thinking "Holy shit. These are all reasonable people. I would rather have ANY of them than the top two candidates."

    41. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Actually Crock is making his point for him. Do you know what the really fucking saddest thing about Crock is? Seriously.... do you know?

      "Crock" would be safer than most other opiates if it was pharmaceutical grade, because it causes LESS REPIRATORY DISTRESS.

      Yes, "Crock" the nasty limb destroying hell on earth drug is itself.... the perfect example of why making drugs illegal doesn't work and causes more problems. Add to this that drug prohibition has failed to change addiction rates and you have....the same rate....consuming less safe drugs..... gee....sounds like a recipe for safety to me!

      Yes lets keep creating these situations.

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    42. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      However a murderer has actually harmed someone in a way that denies him his rights. Hardly a realistic comparison. I would compare it more, to having sex with a man behind closed doors. Seems more appropriate of a comparison to me given the lack of a victim in the simple ownership or posession of an object or substance.

      In fact, I would even say, his right to own or put what he wants in his body is likely on the level of his religion.

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    43. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Well actually its because such benefits are assumed rather than always in existance. The real problem comes when this is assumed of policies, like the drug laws, which don't even achieve a small portion of their goals (unless you assume those goals are to create middle class jobs in prison and probation systems, in which case, it succeeds like gangbusters)

      In fact, its quite possible for these programs to not have any benefits at all.

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    44. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact that they were already addicts before they became customers, and that the alternative was that they do what exactly? Tell them to go elsewhere to someone who wouldn't even do that much?

      The only evil here is the people who make laws out of ignorance. Idiots who think drug laws work are the true evil and the ones responsible for the entire mess. Its sad that we have to allow prohibitionists to share the clean air and sunshine that the good people of the world enjoy.

      They are the ONLY ones to blame here, their policies created exactly the situation they did before. They are the ones who filled our burn units with meth cooks; how many houses went up in flames before prohibitionist scum came along and gave them financial incentive to burn?

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    45. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      To make myself clear, as you suspected, I don't think all people taking drugs need to go into rehab. I certainly don't need alcohol rehab for imbibing maybe a six pack a week or so.

      However, there are a number of drugs where you quickly develop both tolerance to it and also a strong addiction. That's a combination that makes for someone who will start to quickly drain their available cash resources to maintain their habit. That's when drug use becomes pathological. Even if it doesn't kill you or melt your brain, it causes you serious problems with maintaining an everyday existence. That's when you get crime due to use of drugs even if the drugs themselves are legal. That's where rehab comes in.

      If there were drugs out there that have no dangerous side effects and are non addictive in reasonable quantities, then by all means, go for it, if you can enjoy it responsibly. Just be aware that many drugs (or other substances) used to excess, or in place of dealing with problems that need to be solved, can cause problems far in excess of their actual physical effects. And with drugs legalized, we need to spend some of the money we take from locking people up, and instead use it to help people who need that help.

    46. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Most of what I've heard is keeping them away from people who don't teach their kids gun safety and then the kid gets to the gun and accidentally shoots someone, and keeping guns out of suicidal people's hands. Also a criminal is more likely to shoot someone who is attempting to draw on them.

    47. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fighting crime is hard, takes courage. There isn't always a crime to fight. Less crime, less cop jobs, budget shinks, doesn't happen overnight, but inevitible outcome of decriminalizing substances that investigation and arrest for make up a non-negligible amount of the successful prosecutions is less successful prosecutions. Nabbing pot heads is easy. Not much to it. But that's not what I'm talking about. It gives cops leverage. They don't just bust a deadhead. I'm sure police pass over arresting smokers all the time. But they use it as leverage in finding larger drug crime, which an cop looking for a bust hopes involves something to bust, like cash and guns and outlaws willing to defend their criminal gains violently. Legalize it, there would not suddenly be all this extra crime for all the overhead it takes to fight deadheads... cops would get laid off eventually. I can't believe you really think it would lead to budget increases.

      There is a downside to legalizing cannibis that law enforcement is embarassed of, namely, that the drug "war" keeps them somewhat justifiably employed, and pot being illegal in particular gives cops an edge against pot smoking criminals that do more than smoke pot. I'm not saying 30% of every cop's day is filled with busting pot heads... but the convictions have piled up, and there are a lot of people's lives derailed ONLY because cannibis is illegal. How many lives abruptly put on hold? How many careers ruined? How many fortunes lost? How many families torn apart? The "drug-offenders" are the "convicts" being thrown under the bus by law enforcement and government in the shell-like "right-wing" states.

      Its not a black and white switch on/off kind of thing. Economic disruption can be accounted for and should be. When the drug war begins to look like a pyramid scam, and it now kind of does... its time it should end.

    48. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well actually its because such benefits are assumed rather than always in existance.

      That's a different question, unrelated to what the prior poster expressed concern about, which was regarding 100% success.

      If they wanted to discuss the demonstration of any benefit, they should have done so, rather than their chosen expression in the form of absolute achievement of a given goal.

      So no, that was not REALLY the problem that ArmoredDragon had, or if it was, they expressed the sentiment poorly.

      In fact, its quite possible for these programs to not have any benefits at all.

      We haven't even gotten to the point of defining programs, we're still working through the absolutes, and we were not even discussing the drug laws, but the gun control laws.

    49. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, that's no reason not to have sex ed, or condoms, or STD testing, in order to avoid and deter problems.

      Seems like an appropriate comparison there too, doesn't it?

    50. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry to hear about your inability to follow links and understand what you read!

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    51. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Those are services, if you can't tell the difference between making laws to threaten people with punishment if they don't do what you want and providing a service to people to help those who want it....then i don't know what more I can explain that would be helpful.

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    52. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are services, if you can't tell the difference between making laws to threaten people with punishment if they don't do what you want and providing a service to people to help those who want it....then i don't know what more I can explain that would be helpful.

      Explain what? Be helpful about what? What exactly are you trying to do?

      But no, it's rather the opposite, I think you can't tell the similarities. Or is it not possible for you to consider that some of the gun control measures that could be suggested include providing trigger locks, safety education, waiting periods, and other actions which could be considered services? Even background checks might be considered such.

      Of course, if you want to simply talk punitive measures, regarding sex, there's plenty for rape, and for infecting somebody with an STD to consider. Or reproduction. Child support does come up with many instances of voluntary intercourse. And if you want to consider matters where sex is a matter of commerce, you can see there are regulations on that too, in places where such is legal.

      Not that different from how guns are handled.

      So I'm not sure why you're trying to make a distinction here.

      Certainly not with the point being discussed above, because you're not going to argue very well against the point of 100% success not being an expectation of any law. It's not expected of homicide laws, of driving regulations, of those warning signs that instruct employees to wash their hands when they go to the restroom, of any number of other examples. Bringing up murder was just one example among many, there is no reason to focus on it, as numerous substitutions abound.

      What exactly is your purpose in this conversation?

    53. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1
      I hope you weren't specifically writing to me in that post. That would be quite a bit like a kindergarten student trying to teach a college professor, frankly.

      "That's a combination that makes for someone who will start to quickly drain their available cash resources to maintain their habit."

      Again, you aren't grasping this concept. Legality, done right, will cause the cost to plummet. You'll have no more crime from the heroin user than you do the Alcoholic (less so actually, since they aren't piss drunk and literally out of their mindes)

      "If there were drugs out there that have no dangerous side effects and are non addictive in reasonable quantities, then by all means, go for it, if you can enjoy it responsibly. "

      This is apparently a difficult concept for you to grasp: "I don't need anyone telling me if I can "go for it" or not, nor are you qualified to do so.

      In fact the whole mess is founded on the deluded belief that you have any say in the matter whatever. It is my personal freedom to make those decisions, and it is quite literally none of anyone else's business if I do, or do not, choose to leverage a chemical for the purposes of life augmentation, or even if I wish to do it for the exact opposite reason!

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    54. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "Wrong as rain, Zeke.

      I can only assume your name is Zeke, and you are talking to yourself.

      "An acquaintance of mine, who has a past relationship with smoking the meth and the cocaine, has given everything up except cigarettes and whiskey.

      It seems like he gave all his Meth to you, because your post makes as much sense as a would your typical Meth-head right after they take a big blast.

      Have a nice day Zeke!

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    55. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Or you could, you know, make them all legal and have the better alternatives available. Most people will choose the safer alternative, but those who prefer to rot their teeth out can have at it! Why? Because, again, it is their life, not yours or mine. It really isn't all that complicated a concept, but people have bought into the bullshit idea that they have a right to decide what is OK or not OK for others. I'm not sure where that kind of self-important delusion comes from, but it is prevelant in modern US society :-(

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    56. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      A poorly constructed post, with the microscope of hindsight, but the theme is spot on.

      Making things illegal makes them more difficult to to acquire.

      A person wishing to be shed of a chemical romance benefits from the difficulty. No?

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    57. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your tax dollars go on loads of shit you don't agree with, suck it the fuck up. lol.

    58. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Maritz · · Score: 1

      The idea is that if drugs were legalized, the sale of them would be taxed and the revenue from those taxes would pay for rehab and education...

      They only become 'his' tax dollars when he's using himself. Kick ass.

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    59. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Maritz · · Score: 1

      maybe even cure them instead of treating them (which is a serious dent in the profit, it's far more profitable to treat than to cure)

      This is where you jump the shark. I guess vaccines make people sick as well, huh?

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    60. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'm with you, if, and only if, these people get that information (and I mean information, not the usual scaremongering drugs-are-baaaaad bullshit) to make an informed decision AND I don't get to pay for it if they make a wrong one.

      That provided, I'm with you. All the way.

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    61. Re: America's War On Drugs is a Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that's the kind of permission he's offering. I think he's telling you he doesn't want to pay for mistakes in your (or anybody's) bad judgement call on how much chemical recreation you require. If that's part off the deal, knock yourself out. If it's not then you probably do need his and in fact my permission if you may end up eroding our resources staying sane and healthy.

    62. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      You appear to be under the delusion that you do have any sort of absolute personal freedom of the kind you espouse. In minor matters, you do, as long as your actions affect no one else. In major matters, that is more difficult.

      Personally, I feel that drug use is a minor matter, which is made into a major one by the War on Drugs.

      However, there are certainly scenarios where that use can affect others. Lower prices or not, if you do happen to over-use to the point you have trouble maintaining a job, and your income is taxed by even the lower price of your particular legalized recreation, then someone is going to have to deal with the mess that is you. Whether it is welfare, or you becoming a shoplifter because you can't feed yourself and your habit at the same time.

      Note, while I know the vast majority of people do not have such addictions, some definitely do, and those are the people who concern me and who we need to stand ready to help wean from their addiction.

      You do have the right to make decisions where other people don't have to be concerned with you, usually by maintaining responsibility and consideration for other people's situation in regard to your own. I also feel that we shouldn't be looking for more and more ways to interfere in people's personal lives.

      Nevertheless, until we are able to divorce ourselves from society and not incur social costs by our decisions, there are some scenarios where we should make sure that we're not causing problems beyond the tip of our own nose by the consequences of our decisions. If you want to call that permission, then so be it.

    63. Re:America's War On Drugs is a Failure by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      First get rid of the Patriot act, and use that money for roads. Then look at other waste. GWB was hysteric, and reacted out of fear. Fear, because he could not understand what was going on. He used Cheney as the brains, and it was Cheney who was the president behind the president.

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  3. DoctorX? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Is that a new Mega Man boss?

    1. Re:DoctorX? by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Most likely just Wily with another silly disguise.

    2. Re:DoctorX? by nctritech · · Score: 1
  4. I'm confused. by Desler · · Score: 1

    But wasn't the defense claiming that Mark Karpeles was running the site at this point? Why should that get Ulbricht leniency if he wasn't running the site at that point? Does this mean his defense has finally given up on that ridiculous conspiracy theory?

    1. Re:I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how legal defenses work. Making claim A rarely rules out making claim B, even if A and B are mutually exclusive.

    2. Re: I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're allowed to defend using multiple strategies even if they're logically contradictory. So, you can defend saying, "I'm not the operator," and also, "I was not intentionally trying to harm anyone." The point is that you're going the jury believes defense A, but if they don't, you want then to decide based on defense B.

    3. Re: I'm confused. by Desler · · Score: 1

      Sure, he's allowed to throw all the shit at the wall he wants to see what sticks. I'm simply being amused at him both trying to claim to not have run the site during this period but then also try to claim credit for actions he supposedly couldn't have been responsible for.

    4. Re: I'm confused. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      They're not even necessarily logically contradictory. You can have a chained argument, because the prosecution must prove multiple things to demonstrate guilt. For example, they might have to prove:

      A) The law was broken.
      B) The law was broken by the defendant.
      C) The law was broken in this country.

      The defendant can say, the law doesn't cover the alleged act, and even if it did, the defendant wasn't the one who did it. Furthermore, the defendant wasn't even in the country at that time, so it doesn't matter.

      The prosecution needs to prove all those points, so the defense has a chance to defend at all those points (IANAL).

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    5. Re: I'm confused. by SpankiMonki · · Score: 1

      You're allowed to defend using multiple strategies even if they're logically contradictory.

      True, but putting logically contradictory theories as defenses to a crime doesn't usually play well with juries.

    6. Re: I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to be amused. Assume he was telling the truth and see where it leads you. Let's say he really wasn't the site operator. Now he's been convicted. His attorney says "OK - let's try to use this as a mitigating factor to get a lighter sentence." Any rational person in that situation would say, "its worth a try."

  5. This is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Shadowrun as fuck.

  6. Dr Feelgood by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

    Me: "Dr Boombatz, it hurts when I do this..."

    Dr Vinnie Boombatz: "Here's a scrip for Oxycontin. Go in peace, my son."

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    1. Re:Dr Feelgood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've got my Oxeee
      I've got my Oxeee
      Tra lalalalalalala
      I've got my Oxeee"

      is a little song I sing to myself every noon when I take a tab.

    2. Re:Dr Feelgood by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Although when you start reading some sites, those Veterans who are restricted to 4x5mg daily are in greater need. They are some who buy from the black market. One of the problems they've found is that some Oxy is mixed with plastics to slow uptake, so they tend to take more than prescribed for pain relief, consequently run out before they can get more on prescription. Coming down is not fun for them and so they seek alt. sources.

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    3. Re:Dr Feelgood by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Listen Limbaugh. Nobody wants you around here. Off you go now fat little troll ...

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    4. Re:Dr Feelgood by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      are you serious? veterans who are in pain are restricted to 4 x 5mg oxycontin. I would need to inject 200mg just to make my nose itchy let alone reduce any pain.

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  7. Govt Doesn't Care About User Safety by CanadianRealist · · Score: 4, Informative

    The "war on drugs" results in increased violence which increases the risk for everyone, not just the drug users. If the government was really concerned about the safety of drug users they could legalize and regulate everything and make it much safer. So far that hasn't happened.

    I'm impressed that Dread Pirate Roberts paid a doctor to counsel people, I just don't think that the government will be.

    Here in Canada the federal government tried to shut down a safe injection site in Vancouver. The site operated by the provincial government provided IV drug users with a safe place to shoot up. Everything need, except the drugs, was available there.. There were nurses present to offer help and advice, and to deal with any overdoses. The end result was (provably) fewer deaths among IV drug users. That made no difference to the federal government, they still wanted to shut the site down. Fortunately when they took the province to court, they lost - since there was proof of fewer deaths it was considered a health care issue, which is completely up to the province

    1. Re:Govt Doesn't Care About User Safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US federal government poisoned people on purpose in order to discourage illegal consumption of alcohol in the 1920s. Why would they care about what makes things safe when they have important business like mindlessly enforcing laws for their own sake.

    2. Re:Govt Doesn't Care About User Safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The US federal government set up blowers on top of low-rent housing to poison the residents. FUCK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

      http://news.yahoo.com/secret-cold-war-tests-st-louis-raise-concerns-214608828.html

    3. Re:Govt Doesn't Care About User Safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the US federal government is currently a hivemind with values and understanding of the 1920's continuing until this day? What happened in the 1920's is a different time to today. What happened in 1990's is a different time to today.

    4. Re:Govt Doesn't Care About User Safety by amber_of_luxor · · Score: 1

      Wasn't one of their defenses that after the "safe injection site" opened up, both legal and illegal sales of those specific drugs went down?

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    5. Re:Govt Doesn't Care About User Safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you kindly post a link to an article with this account? This would be very valuable to me - thank you in advance.

  8. Once again: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    95% of the horrible things caused by "drugs" are in fact caused by the drug warriors turning a medical problem (addictive personality, self-medication for other problems) into a criminal problem. See also: prostitution.

    When you declare it - whatever it is - "illegal" you strip anyone who touches it from the protection of the legitimate legal/medical system. Especially if you have something essentially harmless like pot (Oh noes, a poor person might smoke a doob and be happy with their life for a night) that a lot of people will want to try, the result is that you'll eventually reach a critical density of people in areas who can't access the legal/medical system and as a result, society there goes to hell in a handbasket.

    Basically no matter how horrible the drug is - seriously, fuck meth - prohibitionism is guaranteed to make matters worse. It doesn't resolve the fundamental problem that most drugs are medically bad for you (Unless you're stupid enough to buy into "just say no!" which works about as well as the other well known form of abstinence-only education). It prevents anyone/everyone involved from having access to a legitimate, peaceful legal system to resolve disputes. It prevents government regulation regarding quality control. The moralizing/stigmatization actively prevents people with a medical issue from seeking medical assistance. If you want to reduce the harm done to society by drugs, you couldn't get much further from a useful solution than prohibition.

    But on the other hand, prohibitionism *does* go straight to the only honest impulse in all of religious fundamentalism: The hatred of anyone who seeks happiness in this life, doubly so if they are poor.

    1. Re:Once again: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fully agree that this evil fuckery is mostly perpetrated by the religious fundamentalist "anti fun" fraction. It does not get much more evil than this.

      The funny thing is that after the utter failure that was the alcohol prohibition, one would assume the US has learned something. Not so. The people that are in favor of the War on Drugs are really insane, expecting a different outcome time and again when doing the same thing.

    2. Re:Once again: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a huge difference between Prohibition and current drug bans: popularity.
      Alcohol has a whole lot of history and broad-based appeal behind it.
      I can't even think of anyone of my acquaintance who has ever used a Schedule I drug. Most voters have no experience with these drugs and don't care about the people who want to use them.

    3. Re:Once again: by OutOnARock · · Score: 2

      really....you have never met anyone who smoked pot....currently a Schedule 1 drug?

    4. Re:Once again: by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most voters are idiots. Easily swayed by the fear of the unknown and a rather diffuse urge to "protect their children", of anything and nothing. Control their children would be more apt, in most cases, but I don't even want to go there.

      People are afraid of change in their life, and they are afraid of things (and people) they do not know. The more conservative and the less contact wanted with "the others", the more fear.

      Alcohol was something they knew. And they knew that it ain't bad. They even had a drink or two themselves and did they die from it? No. Of course not. Did they go insane? No, again, of course not. And so the support for the ban was very low outside the overzealous self-proclaimed warriors of moral. It was even "cool" to break that law.

      Not just among teenagers.

      As you correctly identified, the main reason for the fear of drugs (and yes, I mean fear, it's not just rejection, it is fear) is that drugs are "the unknown", and that we've been told time and again that drugs are bad, bad, bad things. It doesn't have to be as hilarious as "Reefer Madness", but we've all had our share of "drug awareness".

      Do you think it's a coincidence that the discussion of the legalization of Marijuana happens now that the "generation of love", the Hippies, are about to reach the age that just so happens to be about the age most top level politicians are in? The generation of politicians that is now in power is the same generation that smoked pot heavily during their teen years, and they learned that it's not really as their parents taught them, that it's not leading to the fall of humanity and civilization.

      In other words, we'll probably see the legalization of Ecstacy around 2030.

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    5. Re:Once again: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't even think of anyone of my acquaintance who has ever used a Schedule I drug. Most voters have no experience with these drugs and don't care about the people who want to use them.

      Cannabis is a Schedule I drug. You can't think of anyone who's ever smoked pot?

      Psilocybin, MDMA, and most psychedelic drugs are also Schedule I. Granted, they're not nearly as popular as pot, but most people don't see them in the same light as heroin, crack cocaine, and crystal meth (the latter two of which are Schedule II drugs, not Schedule I).

      Schedule I just means that a substance is fun to use and has no accepted medical uses. Alcohol, and possibly caffeine and nicotine, would be categorized as Schedule I if it didn't have historical acceptance.

      And if you want to see a list of the most abused drugs, check out the Schedule II list. That's the stuff that people make habits of. Very few people get "hooked on" weed or LSD.

    6. Re:Once again: by amber_of_luxor · · Score: 1

      From that paragon of information known to be false, but is believed by the editors to be true, regardless of the actual facts:

      This is the list of Schedule I drugs as defined by the United States Controlled Substances Act.[1] The following findings are required for drugs to be placed in this schedule:[2]

      1) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
      2) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
      3) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

      I see the LSD is listed as Schedule 1. Guess somebody doesn't know that it is/was effective, when used to treat various psychological issues. The issue for the clinician is doing an accurate psycho-diagnostic exam. Something that takes roughly 3 hours of patient time, and another three or so hours, sifting the results.

      Mescaline can be legally used for religious purposes. Come to think of it, it also has been used for psychotherapeutic reasons.
      Again, it works as a psychotherapeutic agent, when used for the appropriate condition, which takes roughly 3 hours of patient time, and three or more hours sifting the results.

      IOW, the therapeutic treatments are known, but current medical practice in essence, prevents the diagnostic to be made. (Let's face it, when you have 180 seconds with a client, one can not do a differential diagnosis, much less an accurate one., And insurance companies are doing their utmost to reduce client face-time to 60 seconds, or less. )

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    7. Re:Once again: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From that paragon of information known to be false, but is believed by the editors to be true, regardless of the actual facts:

      That's a weird preamble... The actual facts are pretty easy to find:

      Description of schedules
      excerpted (with exceptionally funny sentence in bold):

      Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule I drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe psychological or physical dependence. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:

      heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote

      Contents of schedules

    8. Re:Once again: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! And we don't get high together all the time, either. Not while finding a job and staying employed in the US enjoys such intense scrutiny from employers and co-workers that it is not unlike the scrutiny of Congressional approval of Presidents' appointees, except far more like a Kafka story. Even if your name merely shows up in a police report, anything that could possibly show up on a background check is a strike against your chances... because its not as though background checks are anything but querying the databases of companies that do background checks. Its not the US database they search through. So there is no longer any grace period... ("that was 20 years ago! and it wasn't even me, I was just standing there, a bystander... why would THAT be on the background report? It had nothing to do with me!").

    9. Re:Once again: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prohibitionism is a bad idea only when it's already been in place for a while. Otherwise, the original reasons for it's inception will still be there.

      Say what you will, but prohibition HAS raised awareness on the dangers of alcohol and drug abuse.

    10. Re:Once again: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you must have lived in a different world than me.

      I also had a pretty good upbringing, (never smoked, and only drank before 21 with my parents) but I know of at least two different groups in my acquaintanceship that smoked pot.

      Honestly, there is a problem with a law that makes nearly 40% of its population felons (http://www.gallup.com/poll/163835/tried-marijuana-little-changed-80s.aspx). A society cannot function when nearly half of everyone is considered a criminal; its little wonder that police brutality is an issue, they all know that, statistically, they are beating a perp.

  9. Altruism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will win in the end. We're only washing up naked on the shores of consciousness. In almost all regards, everything is better than it used to be. There are some obstacles, but they are just the songs that the old world sings as it dies.

  10. It depends on how you measure failure by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's been a massive success at keeping the lower classes in their place. Here in Arizona we've got multi-million dollar homes right next to slums. You can't do that without a good solid pretext to go in and bust heads whenever the poors spill over. Drugs are great for that. If you're poor chances are good you're taking some form of drugs to cope with the effects of poverty. If nothing else it's the closest to medical care you can get. Now, think about what happens when a few of those poors wander into the wealthy neighborhoods. Maybe they're there to use a park, or take a kid to one of the nicer schools. But odds are good one of 'em has a joint or two. And with our drug laws being what they are you're pretty much guilty by association. If you get a chance look up _why_ marijuana is illegal some time (hint: Migrant farm workers smoked it).

    Then there's our whole private prison thing. As always, follow the money.

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  11. Meh by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    if you're going to go that route you also have to take aim at the underlining cause of drug abuse (poverty). Let's face it, when we talk about the war on drugs hurting people for whom it's a medical condition we mean poor people. If you're even upper middle class and you're busted for drugs you can get into a treatment program in no time. It's the poors that go to jail for using.

    But the thing is, what do you do with the massive underclass we have? They're uneducated and likely to stay that way because their schools are underfunded. If you try to raise taxes to pay for better schools even a .5% sales tax raise gets voted into oblivion. Then there's jobs, or the lack thereof. Without education they only thing they're suited for is factory work, but that's all in China. Then there's fast food, but after 30 years of wage stagnation + inflation it doesn't pay enough to keep one adult alive let alone a family.

    So what then? We don't want to pay 'em, we won't give 'em birth control until they die out ( a good 30% of our country is opposed on religious grounds ). We cordon them office and they wallow in their own misery. Every now and then a few spill over and the cops come down on them like a ton of bricks and we all dance around like the church woman from SNL acting like this doesn't happen every day...

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  12. slashdot up on breaking news as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, it's only been like three months since Vice published an article about and an interview with this doctor. I see slashdot is still following its fine tradition of publishing articles in a timely manner. keep up the good work!

  13. Silk Road is better than Slashdot ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Silk Road paid a doctor, to the tune of $500 per week, to keep its visitors safe, and Slashdot?

    Nada!

    Hollysheet!! Silk Road is actually better than Slashdot!!

  14. I am not the Dread Pirate Roberts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but if I was, he's not really a bad guy.

  15. He also paid for the opposite. by walkeraj · · Score: 2

    Too bad he also paid to have people killed. Otherwise, he'd be an okay guy, and I'd petition for his release. Womp womp. Yes, I know nobody actually died, but he didn't, at the time. Still paid to have people murdered, reluctantly or no.

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    Those days are dead and gone and the eulogy was delivered by Perl. --Rob Pike
    1. Re:He also paid for the opposite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those people had it coming. Ross is a hero.

    2. Re:He also paid for the opposite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad he also paid to have people killed. Otherwise, he'd be an okay guy, and I'd petition for his release. Womp womp.

      Yes, I know nobody actually died, but he didn't, at the time. Still paid to have people murdered, reluctantly or no.

      Dick Cheney is still running free, right? I mean, he has international warrants outstanding and he got a whole lot of people murdered including several Americans but he's one of the good ole boys, right?