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UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Prospects

turkeydance writes: Burglars in the UK are sending unmanned drones over houses in order to identify potential targets, police have warned. Suffolk Constabulary confirmed it had received at least one report of drones being used by burglars for surveillance of properties. Paul Ford, secretary of the Police Federation National Detectives Forum, said: “Drones can be noisy and very visible so hopefully criminals risk giving themselves away. If members of the public observe drones being used in areas which make them suspicious they should contact police using the 101 non-emergency number to report it."

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  1. Anti drone nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A burglar wouldn't draw attention to themselves like that, so that's just some rozzer trying to dream up anti-drone propaganda.

    1. Re:Anti drone nonsense by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A burglar wouldn't

      No, a GOOD burglar wouldn't. The thing about criminals is that like most people/jobs 80% of them are mediocre to terrible at their jobs. Most of the burglars out there are like the legions of "programmers" who fail fizzbuzz and can do nothing but copy snippets from stack overflow.

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    2. Re:Anti drone nonsense by captainpanic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A burglar wouldn't draw attention to themselves like that, so that's just some rozzer trying to dream up anti-drone propaganda.

      It is anti-drone propaganda, but also just the next scaremongering. Fear the new things! Fear the unknown! The government will protect you!

    3. Re:Anti drone nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      And how would the average person immediately link a drone with a burglar and not with some kids playing with their new toy?

      Many burglars read the newspaper and look at death notices to search for potential victims. People and maybe their neighbors go to the funeral for 3-4 hours and burglars have free reign in the middle of the day when everyone can see them.

      Now drones are all the hype, and people start to shrug when they see yet another drone. There are so many of them. How can you determine that one of them is a burglar looking for opportunities?

      I've one time been warned by police officers for a particular kind of grafity on the street. It was secret code where burglars wrote the time when it was best to try to break in. Simply removing the gravity could be help you fight the burglars. Even though it is done in plain sight by people just who just walk around all day to spy on the villagers to help burglars, police can't arrest someone for using some drawing chalk on the streets. We have found a few of those secret codes in our village, and removed them. Another group who was looking for codes had found the one who was chalking the codes and did a not so lawfull intimidation game with him (physical agression, he was guilty for burglarly in popular opinion anyway. That guy could have sued them an won the case, but he was never seen again and maybe went back to his home country or maybe to the next region where people do not work together to fight criminals).

      Police can't arrest people for burgarly for simply using a drone. Maybe a warning because they are invading privacy, but that's all. But citizens who are warned can look up for strangers who invade their privacy. Especially when you live in a community where everyone knows each other, a bit of working together can prevent a lot of criminal activities. I know it is not really ok to take the law in your own hands, but I also know that not doing anything and waiting for an underfunded police to solve too many crimes doesn't help safety either.

    4. Re: Anti drone nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simply removing gravity? Man, if you think removing gravity is simple, you should not be fearing burglars.

    5. Re:Anti drone nonsense by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A burglar wouldn't draw attention to themselves like that

      Not in a city, obviously. But there's still some countryside left in the UK, and a fair few rich people live in it.

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    6. Re:Anti drone nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Many burglars read the newspaper and look at death notices to search for potential victims. People and maybe their neighbors go to the funeral for 3-4 hours and burglars have free reign in the middle of the day when everyone can see them."

      Movie plot nonsense. An obituary announcement is a bad correlation of a empty houses.

      "I've one time been warned by police officers for a particular kind of grafity on the street. It was secret code where burglars wrote the time when it was best to try to break in."

      Silly nonsense, if they knew it was "best time to break in" to write the marker, they wouldn't need to write a market to tell them something they knew a different way. The marker would also be stale, since the best time has no reason to be a fixed time.

      Its like their "terrorists take photographs so photographers are terrorists", fear-mongering nonsense that resulting in many ordinary photographs being threatened and harassed based on fictional imagined plots.

      Britain is over-policed, and the police go to insane lengths to justify their jobs. Creating suspicion and friction in communities where it does not belong. Here drone hobbyists are to be treated as burglars.

      Drones are not used by burglars to case joints because it WOULD BE FUCKING DUMB, and telling people to report drones to the police [as if they'd be used by burglars] is just oppressive.

    7. Re:Anti drone nonsense by mccrew · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Fear the new things! Fear the unknown! The government will protect you!

      So true. The hysteria surrounding toy helicopters (not drones!) is reminiscent of the hysteria around the internet 15 years ago - "you are welcoming the predators into your home and they're going to lure your children away!" Fear, fear, fear.

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    8. Re:Anti drone nonsense by TarpaKungs · · Score: 1

      The police have got wise to the terrorist angle and wisely adopted the "think of the children" approach:

      http://www.standard.co.uk/news...

      "Man held on suspicion of taking indecent images after member of public intervenes to stop children being photographed at Waterloo"

      How did they make the leap from "taking pictures" to "taking indecent images". In the bogs that might be possible, but the report says "outside the station".

      OK - we don't know what the motives were, but if they were not improper, how is this different to:

      http://cdn.scotland.org.uk/ima...

      or

      https://maggiesscribbles.files...

      which are famous in their iconography of the period.

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    9. Re: Anti drone nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reminds me of the FBI stating that anyone talking about encryption, VPNs, or networks should immediately be reported to the local police as a terrorist.

    10. Re:Anti drone nonsense by Askmum · · Score: 1

      A burglar wouldn't draw attention to themselves like that, so that's just some rozzer trying to dream up anti-drone propaganda.

      That's strange because the law enforcement office is very in favour of using drones (for surveillance). It would be very strange indeed if they falsely try to put the image in the general public that drones could possibly not be trusted. For me, this would be a perfect reason to just shoot every drone out of the sky because it's coming right at^H^H^H^H^H possibly a criminal drone.

  2. protip by edittard · · Score: 4, Funny

    to for surveillance of properties

    Protip: if you're not sure which preposition to use, put both.

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  3. At least one report by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "At least one report" does not a national trend make. And calls to the "non-emergency number" would result in the police doing absolutely nothing except log it anyway.

    Pointless story.

    1. Re:At least one report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously questioning the validity of trends based on single data points? You're on dangerous waters there, that would effectively discredit 90% of everything we believe in!

    2. Re:At least one report by quenda · · Score: 4, Funny

      And calls to the "non-emergency number" would result in the police doing absolutely nothing

      Not true. Please save the New Emergency Services number, 0118 999 881 999 119 7253 for genuine emergencies only.

    3. Re:At least one report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Non-emergency calls are treated just as _seriously_ as anything else, they only have lower _priority_.

      When I was punched in the face I called the non-emergency number (I was in no immediate danger and the assailant had left, so no use getting somewhere there immediately) and the next day two officers dropped by to interview me about the incident.

    4. Re:At least one report by HolyMackerelBatman! · · Score: 1

      It'll soon be a national trend now Suffolk police have done a national press release!

    5. Re:At least one report by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Yep, clearly the police know this is bullshit and are not interested. The 101 number is just to fob people off or report crimes that don't get investigated so you can make an insurance claim. They just like to keep fear levels up by mentioning new threats, that's all.

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    6. Re:At least one report by Pax681 · · Score: 4, Funny

      And calls to the "non-emergency number" would result in the police doing absolutely nothing

      Not true. Please save the New Emergency Services number, 0118 999 881 999 119 725.......3 for genuine emergencies only.

      FTFY

    7. Re:At least one report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least they are over the 'knives crimes' phase... I think. Maybe we can have our multi-tool back now.

    8. Re:At least one report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "At least one report" does not a national trend make. And calls to the "non-emergency number" would result in the police doing absolutely nothing except log it anyway.

      Pointless story.

      Dang, and just when thought I had finally found a practical use for my 1:10 scale Spitfire and its's 8 wing mounted 22cal Browning machine guns.

    9. Re: At least one report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      He was subsequently arrested for attacking a Muslim's fist with his face.

    10. Re:At least one report by jjhues7676 · · Score: 0

      If you are thinking about doing it, someone already is. If someone already is, then many are.

    11. Re:At least one report by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      So no one ever does anything first. Mind blowing man.

    12. Re:At least one report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice anecdote. I have one that says otherwise.

      How about some actual data and even policies from not just your local PD, but a decent sampling of police departments.

  4. The next trend by dargaud · · Score: 1

    With all this recent drone paranoia, it's only a matter of time before some bozo comes up with a tiny laser system mounted on an accoustic/optical detector combination that shoots them out of the sky, or at least fries their cameras. Hell, you can purchase 4W laser 'pens' over the Internet. The rest is not that hard to do if safety is not a requirement !!!

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    1. Re:The next trend by hummassa · · Score: 2

      Xkcd called it.

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    2. Re:The next trend by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      And then a low flying helicopter gets its cabin illuminated and the maker of the automated laser blinding system gets to peacefully chat with SWAT teams.

  5. Let me see by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Telepresence,
    incredibly difficult to trace back to operator if done properly,
    Can not only reconnoiter but potentially interact with and manipulate environment.
    Capable of moving and delivering goods.

    Oh yeah I can't see these being used for criminal purposes. The surprising thing is we haven't seen this earlier.

  6. Linked article is from Dec 2014 this is new how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the article is from 2014, and old news. Why is this on /. now?

  7. Re:Linked article is from Dec 2014 this is new how by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    At this rate, we'll see a story about the hypervisor floppy-disk vulnerability in... December.

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  8. yeah now... by SuperDre · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Now they are noisy, but wait a while and you won't notice even one that's hanging above your head for about 2 meters..
    Also there are already pretty quiet drones out there with camera's..
    But it is one of the things I already expected would happen, next to the modern peeping tom's (which you already see some video's on youtube)..

    1. Re:yeah now... by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

      So, will they stop moving air? I'm looking forward to that.

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    2. Re:yeah now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      camera's..

      peeping tom's

      video's

      apostrophe's

    3. Re:yeah now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are also pretty quiet apostrophes that you don't notice in plurals, apparently.

    4. Re:yeah now... by SuperDre · · Score: 1

      No, but in most cases it's not the moving air you hear, but the highpitch of the motors..

  9. I learn something new each day by houghi · · Score: 2

    If there are unmaned drones, that means there are manned drones as well. I never knew that. To me a drone was always unmaned.

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    1. Re: I learn something new each day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manned drones are parked in the government premises. I suspect that few of them are unmanned, but that's not publicly disclosed.

    2. Re:I learn something new each day by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      A drone is an unpiloted vehicle. Airplanes are 99% of the way to manned drones. They have a "pilot" of record, who doesn't fly much, and if they were 100% drones, they could still be considered "maned" because they have people on board. Or are unmanned drones the same as autonomous drones? Though I don't think that true in the description of the events here.

    3. Re: I learn something new each day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have a drone horse which is very maned, even when unmanned.

  10. You know that Phantom 3 you so wanted for xmas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forget abowt it now! Regulation will make this whole niche a bitch, pretty much like anything else.

  11. Sensaltionalism by petes_PoV · · Score: 3, Insightful
    When you read the story it comes down to one report from someone who suspected that someone was using a drone for this purpose. Everything else in the article is FUD, inaccuracy, scare-mongering and supposition (and possibly impressionable people watching too many crime / caper movies).

    This is strikingly similar in tone to the stories circulating a few years ago that anyone taking photos of buildings in public places was (obviously!) a terrorist.

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    1. Re:Sensaltionalism by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      EVERY single "police" recommendation/story I read about how criminals are now doing X and we should be on the lookout for it? Utter bullshit.

      Criminals are "marking" houses with little signs to indicate whether they have things of value. No. They're not.

      Criminals are knocking on your door to see if you have a dog they can steal. No. They're not.

      Criminals are trawling Facebook to see when you're on holiday. No. They're not. (And if you have the vaguest sense of privacy, they wouldn't be able to see it anyway).

      Criminals are flying drones to see if you have anything worth nicking. No. They're not.

      It's not that they aren't that sophisticated, that they couldn't do this, that there has never been a recorded instance of it, but that they - generally speaking - ARE NOT DOING THESE THINGS.

      What can you see from flying a drone that will change your mind from "Oh, well, I was in two minds about this house" to "Let's rob it" (or, indeed, vice versa)?. Virtually nothing. Do you park a Lamboughini at the back of your rotten cheap house and never take it out? Unlikely. Do you keep hordes of rabid dogs that are otherwise undetectable? No.

      Live your lives people. Take sensible precautions. Lock your door. Put an alarm on (and don't bother about it making lots of noise if nobody is going to care - better a silent alarm to your smartphone than something disturbing the neighbours so much that they smash it off the wall or don't care about it). And don't leave big expensive things on show.

      Generally speaking, criminals are opportunists and don't care about your property anyway. If they see an open door, they'll go through it (have had this happen to me in a previous house while I was behind the open front-door doing some repairs - some guy walked past into my house and started looking around. "*cough* Can I help you, mate?" and he (thankfully) ran a mile.). If they want to burgle you, they won't wait until your smart meter reads the energy usage as low, they'll just ring the doorbell and if there's no answer, they'll force or smash their way in. Even if there's nothing worth nicking (very unusual in any house), they're in by that point so they will find something.

      "Casing the joint" is for high-level planned burglaries that rarely happen outside of extremely affluent areas and they can afford their own security anyway.

      Like all these things, it's rubbish.

    2. Re:Sensaltionalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's an idea: Stop reading the fucking Daily Mail.

    3. Re:Sensaltionalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. When I was burgled, the crims had been "casing the joint" on several occasions then eventually caught "the gaff" when I was out.

      The wankers were local yoofs that took a shine to my keyboards (syths & samplers) a neighbour had mentioned to them. The cunts had the attitude insurance will pay out, so not a big deal for me. Which wasn't the case, as the loss adjuster was used to CDs, VCRs and jewelry going for walkings, not pro gear. They wouldn't pay up.

      Furtunately for me, one of the cunts tried to sell one of the items in my local music shop, one I had called to get documentation to expedite the insurance problem. They in turn called the old bill, who wasn't interested, but the salesman took note of the car reg, gave that to me, I gave it to my local CID, who traced the car. Car was borrowed and the owner wasn't going down for theft, so grassed them up. Fuckers went to jail, but I was paranoid I'd get turned over again, as is the case with these people, and wouldn't leave my house other than work for over a year.

  12. Paul Ford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet a bad burglar is supposed to launch a drone, fly around houses, alerting people to something, 'casing' joints, then fly it back home?

    Or far more likely, is that a policeman, Paul Ford in this case is looking for opportunity to expand policing:

    "Paul Ford, secretary of the Police Federation National Detectives Forum.... We must remain alive to the POTENTIAL risks posed by the misuse of technology”

    Just a bad policeman writing fictional crime scenarios to protect against.

    1. Re:Paul Ford by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And yet a bad burglar is supposed to launch a drone, fly around houses, alerting people to something, 'casing' joints, then fly it back home?

      Given that I can buy a drone for about 60 quid at the local Maplin (or one for 20 quid that fell off the back of a lorry) and do all of that with essentially zero training... sure why not?

      Whatever suspicions one might have of the police, this is not an especially unlikely use of drones.

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    2. Re:Paul Ford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      " sure why not?"

      Makes a movie plot, well apart from the reality of the short range, and noise, and difficulty of controlling those 60 quid drones in any breeze or around obstacles like buildings. But movies have "suspension of disbelief" to carry them past this crap.

      Just because you can hypothesize it, doesn't make it a police matter. It's not for the police to try to invent fake plots to scare people with.

    3. Re:Paul Ford by Jeslijar · · Score: 2

      Go ahead, pick up a drone for ~100$ USD that can record stable HD video with a first person view.

      Pretty much can guarantee any footage you'd find in that price range would be no more useful than aerial photos on google. I have shitty 100$ ultra micro helicopters and multi rotors. They are not easily controllable outside nor do they have any kind of video capabilities.

      I have 1000$-2500$USD helicopters that could mount an HD camera and a first person view thing so that I could take 'useful' video. It would cost probably another 500$ at the minimum to get something usable... and the size of these things gets pretty massive.

      Regulating this stuff so that hobbyists would be hassled would be like regulating knives because someone could stab someone with them. It serves no purpose.

    4. Re:Paul Ford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Burglar: I'd like to take out a loan to buy a drone.
      Bank official: What's the nature of your business?
      Burglar: Ummm... home inspections.

  13. I'm calling bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The British police have a long and illustrious history of releasing demonstrably untrue statements to the press on the assumption that no one will call them out on it because they are the police, and that's when their not giving "anonymous tips" that person X who's house they just raided on live TV is some sort of nazi-pedo-terroist.

  14. This isn't news by Guy+From+V · · Score: 2

    Of course criminals are casing their turf with drones, they have CCTV cams all over the City of London too don't they?

  15. "drones being used by burglars to for surveillance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "to for".
    American idiots.

  16. drug delivery? by chill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A better use would be narcotics delivery service. Place the online order, pay with bitcoin, drone flies over with little packet within 30 minutes and drops it off.

    The cheaper drones become, the less people will worry about losing one. Simple ROI calculation.

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    1. Re:drug delivery? by Guy+From+V · · Score: 1

      Maybe part of a package deal, plus pilot salary costs.

  17. I don't need a subject by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

    Is this Slashdot or The Daily Mail?

    1. Re:I don't need a subject by TarpaKungs · · Score: 1

      Has anybody said "Bring back hanging"?

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  18. But... by Andy+Smith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But... but... you're not allowed to fly drones over residential areas! How are the criminals getting around this law?

    Oh no, wait, it's just legitimate photography businesses (like mine) which get hurt by the drone laws. Pervs and criminals will carry on regardless.

    1. Re:But... by DJPenguin · · Score: 2

      I do find it funny that I can go to the park and fly my F450 clone with 10 inch props legally as long as it's safe, but my mate technically can't do the same with his tiny hubsan X4 without a 30 meter exclusion zone on take off or landing, purely because his has a camera on it.

      PS. Slashot is still around. Holy crap.

  19. Paint Ball AAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to legalize shooting down drones that come into our homes airspace without permission.
    Paintball or airsoft would be excellent ways to accomplish this with little impact on the neighbors.
    No need to give the local police their own air force to patrol and defend the skies from robber drones.

  20. OOTO by ramriot · · Score: 2

    OOTO - Out Of The Ordinary, is what law enforcement officers are trained to spot and is often a good starting point for possible criminal activity. But to the general public a "noisy and very visible" drone, or even someone wandering around someone else's property is not OOTO to them as the main activity is not the indicator.

    So the advice given is in effect worse than useless and will result in way too many false positives / negatives. Now if the police were to offer free courses in situational awareness and OOTO then that might be a start, though isn't that what we pay taxes for non-existent beat cops for?

    In finishing, a nice piece of research from a few years ago, talked to convicted burglars and what they look for in a target. One thing they found was that it was much preferred to case and burgle during the 1pm - 4pm period than any other time of the day or night because people are at work, there is lower delivery traffic, its easy to see and people don't see you are a burglar but as a workman. They also found that for those criminals that end up committing crime at night, much prefer properties with BIG Bright spot lights on than in complete darkenss because the bright lights leave dark shadows to stand in and means you don't have to carry round a flash-light which often attracts more trouble than its worth.

  21. Oblig South Park Coverage by retroworks · · Score: 2

    Once again South Park forsaw this tricky issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  22. Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks. That's yet another reason to loath Amazon's scheme to deliver packages by drone. It's be quite easy for sophisticated burglars to acquire an Amazon-like drone and use it to spot, not just weak spots in a house, but who is away on vacation.

  23. Film at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news:

    UK police officers fly drones in their free time, to incite citizens to call out for more police officer to be hired.

  24. Prospect? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    No need to get caught in the act., if a window is open somewhere, the done just flies in and grabs the jewellery and other light stuff that's lying around, that's what the camera is for. It's much more secure in the back of the van outside.
    A 'window opening device' shouldn't be that complicated to add as well, just a plastic tube with a spring and a stone to be released by a servo.

    Also I'm waiting for arsonists to do the same thing, just with a pound of fire accelerants instead of a grabbing arm.

  25. Starship Troopers by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    The only good drone is a dead drone!

    1. Re:Starship Troopers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think drones are scary, just wait until the baddies are making 3-D printed drones!

  26. Let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we call the police on regular people flying drones because they MAY be suspicious but we allow the police to violate the law by flying their drones without warrants?
    Got it.

  27. Techno-paranoia running amok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Burglars use cell phones too so call the non-emergency police number to report ANY suspicious usage. Cars, too. And...."

  28. SAMs by mrflash818 · · Score: 1

    Hm.

    Might a growth opportunity for the home Surface to Air Missile defense market.

     

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  29. Noisy? by recharged95 · · Score: 2

    My drone can carry a zoom-capable point-n-shoot and at 3 meters is on average 65dB hovering at 2m. That's Toyota corolla territory... not that loud.