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Swedish Court Orders Seizure of Pirate Bay Domains

The Pirate Bay will probably never be the darling of any government; we've seen various Pirate Bay domains cracked down on, and the arrests of site founders. An anonymous reader writes now with the news reported this morning by TorrentFreak that: the Stockholm District Court has ordered two key domains owned by The Pirate Bay to be seized. While the ruling means that the site will lose its famous ThePirateBay.se domain, don't expect the site to simply disappear. TPB informs TorrentFreak that they have plenty more domains left in store. From the point of view of the down-crackers, It's a hard problem, particularly when it's easy for people to spin up their own instances of the site.

55 comments

  1. Oh bother... by Trracer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, this won't make any difference at all.

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  2. Uh oh... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    Bad move, Sweden. Now you're stepping on the USDOJ's winkie.

    Looks like it's Popcorn Time!

    1. Re:Uh oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Probably at the behest of the USDOJ.

    2. Re:Uh oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't have to be. All governments are pro-corporatist, except perhaps Iceland.

      CAPTCHA: abolish

    3. Re:Uh oh... by jodido · · Score: 1

      Only govt that's not "pro corporatist" isn't Iceland but Cuba. Don't be fooled by the propaganda that's emanating from the US and other capitalist countries.

    4. Re:Uh oh... by halivar · · Score: 2

      Sure it is. Just int he case of Cuba, that corporation happens to be the State.

    5. Re:Uh oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what you may have heard about Iceland, but I assure you it's not true.

  3. Wow by Guy+From+V · · Score: 2

    Is it Tuesday already?

  4. And in related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    EZTV was taken over by scammers so careful what you download from there
    http://torrentfreak.com/eztv-s...

    1. Re:And in related news... by Zocalo · · Score: 0

      EZTV is back up under the .ch domain.

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    2. Re:And in related news... by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      Ah! My bad - apparently the scammers now have the .ch domain too and have locked out the original site operators completely so the original EZTV operators have decided to call it quits. Still, they are currently only pushing torrents to .avi and .mp4 files (ocassionally with ASCII .txt and .nfo files) which are generally pretty safe and the site works fine with NoScript etc. so I suppose with a suitable degree of caution until they either blow it or establish a good reputation it might be safe to use.

      Of course, it could all just be a ruse to add an extra layer of obfuscation to the operators IRL identities of course; "Not us, your honour, we packed it all in back in May '15. Look at all this web coverage!"

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  5. thepiratebay.am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is the next site to be litigated out of existence?

    1. Re:thepiratebay.am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a few hundreds TLD's to go; they're getting closer!

  6. Forget by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    taking Pirate Bay down, just find a way to tax it....

    1. Re:Forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The taxes are already included in the domain and server host.

      But governments love to add taxes on top of already taxed services and goods, sadly society grumbles but nothing changes.

      We modern slaves must not forget to vote, things will change and justice be brought and eventually by the time we retire, then we can finally live in a more just system and peacefully "enjoy" our last remaining elderly days knowing things changed with a new boss being voted that is just like the old boss.
      Think of the children and all that!
      Too big to fail!
      Socialized moochers are ruining the system!
      The "free" markets and ever increased automation will solve unemployment creating more jobs!
      By ending piracy people will consume more!
      Advertising on TV&Internet works! I have already purchased penis enlargement products while i was typing this comment!
      Also just purchased facebook shares too while pondering if i should use another exclamation mark at the end of the sentence!
      And since im in a hurry to go watch *think of any random shit* movie in 3D on my already newly ordered curved! 3D 8k UWTHDTV!

      WOW! The world is changing, i have changed, and all that from orders of seizuring piratebay domains! O M G! Almot forgot the buy a new eyewatch!

      Finally, the capitalist fascist utopia is thriving again!

    2. Re:Forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tax them for what? Being a search engine? Is there a search engine tax?

  7. Worst summary ever by smallfries · · Score: 5, Informative

    The domains have not been seized from the Pirate Bay. The domains have been seized from Fredrik Neij because his property was forfeit after his earlier loss in court.

    After two years the court refused to agree that the actions of the Pirate Bay should lead to the seizure of the domains, and instead a shortcut has been found to grab them by another means.

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    1. Re:Worst summary ever by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      TPB should just run from inside of TOR.

    2. Re:Worst summary ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And/or use a .bit name

    3. Re:Worst summary ever by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Informative

      It sort of already is, so if the .se domain goes down:

      uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion

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    4. Re:Worst summary ever by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      At least in Sweden property seizure follows a court judgement. When can the US have an advanced legal system like that?

    5. Re:Worst summary ever by xevioso · · Score: 1

      I don't know that is advanced. Criminals or those accused of being criminals have the option of doing things with their property until they are convicted unless they are seized beforehand. This means that someone running the domain names would be able to sell them off, duplicate them, make other arrangements etc until they are convicted. If they are seized beforehand, they are unable to do this. And note this is NOT the same as "guilty until proven innocent".

      The current biker battle in Texas is a great example. The government has seized all of the 180-odd bikes belonging to the bikers arrested after the battle in Waco this weekend. Those bikes will be held, but as soon as the people are convicted, they will be forefiet and sold off.

      If the government had NOT seized them and left them to stay there, you'd have other bikers coming in, hauling those bikes off, and either keeping them until their owners were released or convicted, or being sold off immediately. If their owner was convicted, what you most definitely would NOT see would be the government being able to get any of those bikes back so that they could make sure the owner forfeited them.

    6. Re: Worst summary ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to rethink that. After 90 days, the property will be sold unless it's evidence. If the owner isn't charged or convicted, they will receive a portion of the proceeds .,... Minus impound fees, and handling for the auction.

    7. Re:Worst summary ever by PRMan · · Score: 2

      Actually, you couldn't be more wrong.

      It absolutely IS the same as "guilty until proven innocent". MegaUpload is gone permanently, even if Kim Dotcom is ultimately found 100% innocent. Any money he would have made off his potentially legal service (remember, he WAS responding to DMCA requests) is now gone for years and is never coming back, again, even IF he is found innocent.

      And Kent Hovind, head of a Creationist ministry currently on trial for structuring and tax evasion, was found in contempt of court for filing a lis pendens ON HIS OWN PROPERTY to prevent it from being sold by the government despite the fact that his trial is still going on!

      And in the US, cops have seized over $2.5 billion since 9/11 in cases WITH NO SEARCH WARRANT OR INDICTMENT! Only in 7% of those cases was ANY money returned at all.

      So, yeah, you can keep believing that seizures are great if you like, but it's a factually untenable argument.

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    8. Re:Worst summary ever by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      If you are arrested, like the Texas bikers, you have rights. Your property can be frozen, or impounded as evidence, but it can't be forfeited except as a consequence of the eventual judgement. The problem in our legal system is that if there is no arrest, police can seize the property and explicitly use it for their own purposes, so long as they send you on your way.

    9. Re:Worst summary ever by Troed · · Score: 1

      thepiratebay.bit is registered but is currently pointing to an old IP.

      http://explorer.namecoin.info/...

    10. Re:Worst summary ever by tinkerghost · · Score: 1

      You might want to rethink that statement. In most places, the property will be sold at auction after 90 days. If the person is not found guilty, or wins the case to have their property returned - in the case of property seized without charges, then they will be refunded the proceeds minus impoundment fees and auction fees. (IE usually you owe the government for the privilege of them taking your stuff)

    11. Re:Worst summary ever by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

      Except Hovind actually deserves to go to jail. Tax evasion is more serious than running a torrent site. Also, the guy is a creationist, for fucks sake. He makes his money by bullshitting gullible people like any other con man.

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  8. Legal 'whack-a-mole' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Took them 2 years to get those 2 domains, and The Piratebay has got other domains.

    It's just legal 'whack-a-mole' at taxpayers expense.

  9. Quick by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Somebody, register 73h_p1r8bay.com
    2: ???
    3:profit

    1. Re:Quick by PRMan · · Score: 1

      And never host anything but news articles about the Pirate Bay and see how long it takes before it shows up on everyone's block list anyway.

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  10. Darknet.. by dindi · · Score: 1

    I do understand, that darknet (i2p, TOR/onion) is still a science fiction for "Average Joe", whose interest is downloading his daily porn and series episodes.

    Maybe this is the perfect time to put the 'bay on the deep web and just stop this domain BS. Average Joe will have to use tor2web or install a browser to get his fix. He will (might) also learn about alternatives to Gmail and Hotmail and just browsing in the wide open.

    I am not suggesting that the torrent traffic would go through the darknet, just that the torrent sites move in there and this whole domain crap goes away.

    I am not advocating piracy, or tell anyone to do anything illegal, I just don't get how something (deemed) illegal doesn't move to a domain-less medium where it belongs. That's all...

    1. Re: Darknet.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck talking to the layman about the "Deep Web" and not getting branded as a criminal, a pedophile or a terrorist. The words "Deep Web" have been thoroughly demonized by the mainstream media (no doubt with some "encouragement" from the same authorities who are always lionized by TV for keeping us safe from the "evil terrorist plots you'll never know about) and even KNOWING about it is something that's best kept to yourself. We live in very difficult times, times in which a lot of knowledge is best kept secret and feigning ignorance is probably the best bet. It's not going to get better for a long time. It's very probably you and I will not live to see the end of it. This is not the time for fighting, this is the time for laying low, keeping thing to ourselves, be free in our own minds because it's the only place you still can. But we must be very, very careful.

    2. Re: Darknet.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call it Pure Web

    3. Re: Darknet.. by dindi · · Score: 2

      I don't think it is as dark as you see it. I tend to search Google and do part of my research (for work) more and more from a TOR browser. Not because I do anything wrong, just because I don't want every search to be registered with my Google account (and who knows who else's cookies are in there anyway).

      The other thing is: if every household would run a full TOR node (not exit, just run TOR or i2P all the time), it would also make traffic a lot less suspicious.

      For Average Joe: call it "TBP secure browser" ... or whatever catchy English name. They can visit their Torrent portal, plus have some pre-bookmarked sites (Duckcuck Go, Risup, etc) to show what else is there.

      To a certain degree I agree with you though: people hear "darknet" and they think you are doing something wrong. Maybe people who understand the idea and the tech behind could do a little better to make them understand, that it is not just illegal stuff there, it is also a tool not to expose them 24/7 to surveillance... I don't even mean NSA, I mean Google/Facebook/Yahoo/MS and their advertisers and the data miners who allow companies to look up your arse 24/7.

      And again: I don't mind Facebook showing me a shoe ad because I searched "Mountain bike shoes" on Amazon. However, I would mind a company not giving me a contract because I searched "drone hacking" on Google.... because they won't understand the difference between "hacking a military drone" or "hacking a $200 quad-rotor to have decent RC control instead of the iphone wifi" ....
      That search attached to your profile would also make any TSA inspector crawl up in your butt in no time too ... but that's just one example ... you only have to get into some kind of investigation, where they find you searched "how to make a body disappear" ... only because you saw Dexter and wondered if the chemical mentioned would really dissolve hair and teeth into liquid....

      Could continue the stupid examples all day to demonstrate how something harmless could turn against you because everything is logged and attached to your accounts instantly, but it is not you I have to convince, it is Average Joe who should be made aware of these.

         

    4. Re: Darknet.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I call it the Freedom Web. Usually while standing and with my hand on my breast.

    5. Re:Darknet.. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I am not suggesting that the torrent traffic would go through the darknet

      Why not? Torrent traffic is bad for Tor, but it works fine on I2P.

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    6. Re:Darknet.. by dindi · · Score: 1

      True, according to the docs/site you can run it through i2p, but tor advises against it... maybe it is time to try it....

      An interesting concept (that has a TPB start page on it) is Zeronet; blockchain based hosting where even the SQL database is in the blockchain. Not sure how it would scale .. sure the demo is cool, but I don't see how gigabytes of pr0n would fit into there...

  11. 90 minutes later by icepick101 · · Score: 1
    1. Re:90 minutes later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .vg, a whole TLD just for virgins like /. torrent pirates?

  12. Unenforceable laws by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's been said before, but: when a law is essentially impossible to enforce, the problem is with the law. The ease with which digitized goods can be copied is an indication that copyright probably should not apply to them.

    I actually believe (naively?) that this would not cost individual authors and musicians anything at all. I choose to by music and books from artists that I like, because I want them to continue creating.

    Likely, it would affect the big companies, like Disney. They would have to find new ways to monetize their assets, and might have to create new mascots more often than every hundred years. The worlds tiniest violin...

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    1. Re:Unenforceable laws by netsavior · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If Disney realized how much I spend on Iron Man shoes, backpacks, toys, notebooks, Infinity characters, crackers, cookies, drinks, t-shirts, and costumes for my kid; they probably would laugh at me for sweating over a 7 dollar movie ticket. Their core business is brand awareness, piracy is quite nicely aligned with that.

    2. Re:Unenforceable laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likewise, the ease by which IT or software work can be shifted to various parts of the world cannot be legislated against by law. I actually believe it does not cost US workers any opportunities, because it helps US companies become more competitive, so they are in a position to hire more US workers, and often those jobs re the more creative, challenging, and better paying ones.

      (Yeah, some BS gets modded up here more readily than others).

    3. Re:Unenforceable laws by Ramze · · Score: 1

      Disney knows this already. It's the reason that The Disney Channel is free on every cable package. All of their movies, tv shows, and other media are merely advertisements for their other, more lucrative products.

    4. Re:Unenforceable laws by Ramze · · Score: 1

      Disney cares nothing about pirating.

      They have The Disney Channel for free on every cable subscription for a reason -- their media is merely marketing for their overpriced toys, clothing, stuffed animals, and other more profitable products -- and maybe even trick you into going to Disney Land or Disney World and shell out a few thousand dollars to take the family for a week and see several of the parks.

      Sure, they are rabid dogs when it comes to protecting their IP, but they'd much rather you watch their infomercials... er... movies than not.

    5. Re:Unenforceable laws by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      Given piracy, those movie/game "sales" pretty much amount to voluntary donations. I'd say it's better to legalize this status quo, since even with piracy those companies post outrageous profits.

    6. Re:Unenforceable laws by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Don't murder people was pretty unenforceable for quite a while during the colonization of the America's. Didn't stop everyone from agreeing that it was a good law in principle.

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    7. Re:Unenforceable laws by dindi · · Score: 2

      It is more than just the ticket price:

      1. some people don't like the movies - I for one hate sitting in a crowd at a less than perfect audio spot where I cannot pause/rewind the movie. On top of that people lately go there to eat loud and stinky things instead of watching the darn movie

      2. I learned to hate DVDs : I paid for the damn thing, so I don't want to wait through 5 10s green/blue/red notices/warnings, then have to be forced all the trailers.
      Yes, that's right, just want to go to the kids room, put the stupid disk in and press play. This is not possible.

      3. not happy with digital purchases: if you leave abroad, (not in the US) Netflix, Amazon, Apple has various content restrictions.
      That's one thing. The other is the format: can I just have my mkv/mp4 file, not tied to iTunes, a web browser, a Netflix player.

      Also; some people don't have 10-100-1000 Mbit connections - I for one have 3 x 4Mbit lines stitched together (spillover or first load) , because where I live there is no connection available that's faster than 4Mbit. So I can download something overnight, then I can put it on my Raspberry/PC/Mac Mini or my Android tablet and watch it there. If I start to stream a: it is shit quality b: buffering c: ruin the net for other tasks

      But this might be just me. I am more than happy to pay for content. E.g. I would pay 2x the money for a .flac audio file, than buy crappy mp3 from iTunes/Amazon.
      I would also rather download a series episode, than watch it on Sky. So is it piracy? I have the sky sub, with the the actual thing playing, I just cannot make myself sit there at 7pm every Thursday, then watch a 20 minute show in 40 minutes, filled with ads for stuff I am not interested in ...

  13. Newsflash! by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Funny

    Newsflash!
    Closing of ThePirateBay top level domains forces millions of users to search two minutes for an alternative bittorrent infosite.

    Next up: Bag of rice falls over in China! Situation unclear!

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  14. The only way to beat TPB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The only way to beat TPB is to offer something better. I'd gladly pay for quality copies of movies, for a fair price, as long as they don't come with strings attached (can only watch on this or that device) and I don't have to wait for two years to see a "new" movie. If I could use Netflix anonymously, download for offline viewing on whatever device and player I see fit, and not have to wait forever for new shit to appear, I'd stop using TPB for movies. If the games wasn't ridiculously overpriced I'd gladly buy them. Minecraft for instance has a very fair price, but 100 bucks for some low-budget movie-style game at 46GB that's mildly entertaining for 15 minutes? No thank you. Give me a decent alternative and I'll give you your money.

    1. Re:The only way to beat TPB by dindi · · Score: 1

      Your alternative:

      Books. Yes I am a jerk saying this, but if you are on a budget: read. You can buy 5-10-15 HOURS of entertainment on Amazon and legally for 0.99, 4.99 and 0-day bestsellers for $10-15 tops.

      And yes... I understand the point ... Call of Duty X for an other 59 + 2-3 DLCs for an other 10-15 is a JOKE. And people only buy it because other people buy it so you have people to play with... I stopped that vicious circle a long time ago...

  15. Gee, it's just like the A-Bomb! by mmell · · Score: 1
    Even our politicians have caught on that you can't stuff the genie back into the bottle. I wonder how long it'll take the entertainment industries of various nations to catch on.

    Illegal filesharing could conceivably nuke the entertainment industry - not completely, but enough to get their attention. They should consider an alternative to the adversarial approach - deploy their own fileshares and make it economically and technically desirable to use those sources. It would be like nuclear power for the entertainment industry. But no - they just seem interested in garbage like the TPP, torrent cache posioning, idiotic lawsuits, domain takedowns and other WMD technologies. Entertainment is becoming the North Korea of industries.

  16. Whack a mole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut one down and another takes it place.

    You law enforcing people are soooo behind the times.

  17. But it might by mitcheli · · Score: 1

    The problem with this idea is that as TPB migrates to additional domains, it leaves open a few possibilities. First, sites opposed to TPB will create malicious sites to try and spoof TPD to collect data, spread malware, and otherwise degrade the services that TPB offers. Second, while rapid DNS techniques are well implemented in malware like botnets, it's not a capability that the average Joe can keep track of, so without some form of front end that can track and change with the rotating DNS entries, people will get frustrated and stop using the service. And this is exactly what the opposition wants. It's time that many of these types of technologies go through redesign again. And they must be redesigned from the protocol level. TPB succeeded where Napster didn't because the content being traded was not hosted with TPB. But they are still centrally located for the purpose of search and front end to the users. Anytime a bellybutton can be poked, it will be. So the protocol must be designed to prevent ANY centralized management. Next, any protection mechanisms (trust models, etc) that are built into the protocols used must be extremely well thought out. When analyzing for protocol weakness, rules matter. If only certain nodes are allowed to be "trusted" ,then you can better bet that those wishing to exploit it will design a node to be trusted. Protocols must also be non-differential at all levels, from the handshake of the SSL layer down to the initial HELO to the transmission characteristics of how it sends data. If the protocol can be differentiated, it can be blocked, tracked, hacked, or otherwise interfered with. Simply wrapping it in Tor isn't going to work. There are ample talks out there on how Tor traffic can be characterized and interfered with.

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