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Student Photographer Threatened With Suspension For Sports Photos

sandbagger writes: Anthony Mazur is a senior at Flower Mound High School in Texas who photographed school sports games and other events. Naturally he posted them on line. A few days ago he was summoned to the principal's office and threatened with a suspension and 'reporting to the IRS' if he didn't take those 4000 photos down. Reportedly, the principal's rationale was that the school has copyright on the images and not him.

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  1. Re:Well, this should be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Content Rights are like 50% of Slashdot posts...

  2. Camer was owned by the school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    The school owned the camera he used. Therefore all work from that camera belongs to the school. If he had used is own camera, then they are his to keep.
    Just like in the work place, any personal data on company computers used on company time belong to The Company and not you.

    1. Re:Camer was owned by the school by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Informative

      The school owned the camera he used. Therefore all work from that camera belongs to the school.

      No. It does not work like that. If you borrow my guitar and write a hit song, it's your song, the copyright is yours. If you borrow my camera and take a Pulitzer-winning photo, it's your photo, the copyright is yours. Copyright goes to the creator of a work, not to the owner of any tools incidental to the creation.

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    2. Re:Camer was owned by the school by banda · · Score: 4, Informative

      The school owned the camera he used. Therefore all work from that camera belongs to the school. If he had used is own camera, then they are his to keep.
      Just like in the work place, any personal data on company computers used on company time belong to The Company and not you.

      Maybe read the article next time? The school board's policy is that students retain the ownership of works they create even when using school equipment and supplies. Says so right in the article.

  3. Re:Streisand Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Go ahead and let them know:

    http://fmhs.lisd.net/apps/staf...

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  4. As usual... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    As usual you are only hearing PART of the story. The real story is that this guy was selling the photos. And he was using school provided equipment. And he wasn't paying taxes.

    Now you know the REST of the story.

    1. Re:As usual... by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

      The real story is that this guy was selling the photos. And he was using school provided equipment. And he wasn't paying taxes.

      Selling the photos online isn't a crime. The conditions he was allowed to use the school equipment under allowed him to retain his copyrights, and he didn't sign an agreement promising not to sell photos for money.

      Most likely, no taxes are due; he obviously hasn't been running this for years, probably less than 6 months. In order for taxes to be due and unpaid, he would have to be successful in his sales and profit from them, AND have sufficient profit to require filing a return, AND fail to file the required returns for state and federal.

    2. Re:As usual... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hope you never have a job that asks you for your opinion on this type of issue, since you couldn't be more wrong. It's even in the article...

      Title 17 of the United States Copyright Law, which denotes that the “Copyright in a work protected under this title vests initially in the author or authors of the work”; in the case of photography, the individual who presses the shutter is the ‘author’.

      In addition, the District’s Board Policy Manual explicitly states “a student shall retain all rights to work created as part of the instruction or using District technology resources.”

  5. Re:It's the same in professional sports. by FranTaylor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most professional sports teams copyright their games. Even tweeting the score can get you in trouble. I guess this is no different.

    can we count the differences?

    professional sports teams play in private settings where access is limited to ticket holders

    professional sports teams are paid for their work, they have signed contracts explicitly detailing their rights to their likeness in photographs and other media

    high school sports teams play in public settings where anyone is free to view and take pictures

    high school athletes are not paid for their work, they have not signed any contractual agreements governing the distribution of their likeness in photographs

    if joe sports reporter is free to take pictures for the newspaper

    if the parents are free to take photos of their own children

    then surely the students are free to take pictures

  6. Re:It's the same in professional sports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Incorrect. The game is played on posted grounds. The school charges an admission fee to the game. Many Texas schools have agreements with local TV/Radio Stations for broadcast rights. The public school in Texas that my son attends states right in the school handbook that photos of students taken on school property require a release from the students parent before being published in a public forum.

  7. Re:Force his hand..."Sue me! Sooner than later..." by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Informative

    they couldn't possibly hope to recover the $100k+ in legal fees.

    $100,000? That's just a tiny bit inflated. My legal fees for two felonies were slightly more than $5,000. It's not going to cost six digits to get judicial relief in a circumstance like this. It probably doesn't even get the lawsuit stage, a demand letter sent to the school district and reviewed by their attorney would probably suffice. "Yeah, we're going to lose this one. Wipe the student's record clean, tell him you're sorry, and move on."

    There's plenty of stupidity in the American legal system to make fun of without making stuff up.

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  8. Re:Force his hand..."Sue me! Sooner than later..." by pr0fessor · · Score: 5, Informative

    He is a taking a yearbook class, using the schools equipment, and at the end of the year the book will be sold to the students. If the school did it correctly his parents would have signed a consent form giving the school the rights to the work for publication in the yearbook. The question is did they give the school ownership of the copyright like work for hire, exclusive publication rights for a time period, or just nonexclusive rights to publish the work?

  9. Re:Force his hand..."Sue me! Sooner than later..." by nbauman · · Score: 5, Informative

    He is a taking a yearbook class, using the schools equipment, and at the end of the year the book will be sold to the students. If the school did it correctly his parents would have signed a consent form giving the school the rights to the work for publication in the yearbook. The question is did they give the school ownership of the copyright like work for hire, exclusive publication rights for a time period, or just nonexclusive rights to publish the work?

    From the article:

    In addition, the District’s Board Policy Manual explicitly states “a student shall retain all rights to work created as part of the instruction or using District technology resources.”

  10. Re:Force his hand..."Sue me! Sooner than later..." by drosboro · · Score: 4, Informative

    That’s why many schools now do the “In-School Suspension”. Sit in the principals’ office and work all day on the mounds of homework the teachers send down. Not quite as much fun as the vacation format.

  11. Re:Force his hand..."Sue me! Sooner than later..." by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Informative

    they couldn't possibly hope to recover the $100k+ in legal fees.

    $100,000? That's just a tiny bit inflated. My legal fees for two felonies were slightly more than $5,000. It's not going to cost six digits to get judicial relief in a circumstance like this. It probably doesn't even get the lawsuit stage, a demand letter sent to the school district and reviewed by their attorney would probably suffice. "Yeah, we're going to lose this one. Wipe the student's record clean, tell him you're sorry, and move on."

    There's plenty of stupidity in the American legal system to make fun of without making stuff up.

    Were they felonies where you confessed guilt or that were fairly routine? 100K might be a bit inflated, but not necessarily if you were to go all the way to trial... you have civil discovery costs on both sides and over 4000 photos, plus electronics experts on posting, plus the cost of motion practice, plus trial time, plus appeals. It really depends who you get to do the case, but it could certainly go to $30K pretty easily, and $100K under certain circumstances.

    That being said, it's likely 5K before settlement.