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Mystery Woman Recycles $200,000 Apple I Computer

Dave Knott writes: A recycling centre in the Silicon Valley is looking for a woman who dropped off an old computer for recycling. The computer was apparently inside boxes of electronics that she had cleaned out from her garage after her husband died. This would be nothing unusual, except that the recycled computer was an Apple I. The recycling firm eventually sold the Apple I for $200,000 to a private collection, and because the company gives 50 per cent of the proceeds from sold items back to the original owner, they wish to split the proceeds with the mystery donor.

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  1. It was me, I did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am Spartacus!

    1. Re: It was me, I did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      People tend to forget they killed everyone for doing that.

    2. Re:It was me, I did it by NotInHere · · Score: 2

      And I'm Brian!

    3. Re:It was me, I did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Brian and so is my wife!

    4. Re:It was me, I did it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Shenanigans! We all know there are no women on Slashdot!

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    5. Re:It was me, I did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was the one giving supplies to the bandits.

    6. Re:It was me, I did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mind if we call you Bruce?

    7. Re:It was me, I did it by ihtoit · · Score: 1

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  2. I'm betting that... by minogully · · Score: 2

    The guy who reportedly "knows what she looks like", will strike a deal with another woman that he trusts.

    1. Re: I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because that is what you would do?

    2. Re:I'm betting that... by linkdude64 · · Score: 2

      I don't think that he would have made any sort of fuss about this entire ordeal, nor would he have lied on the grave of his mother just to give it to another person. People out there aren't heartless monsters 24/7, you know.

    3. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even monsters are angels in their sleep.

    4. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might it occur to you that not all people are corrupted sneakbags?

    5. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, they rather are, and this story even taken at face value is prime example of that. It's clear the woman didn't mean to throw away $200.000; if not otherwise obvious, not even sticking out for her $100.000 half makes that quite sure. But no, that was not enough for them, additonally they're trying to milk what is basically misappropriation for the most PR they can, publishing to media that they're actually trying to do the least they're obliged to do... Which is good for them, because otherwise some uncomfortable questions might get asked about where they got that $100.000 and is it legal. Makes me wonder if there's specific case law for this kind of thing though, pretty sure it's happened before, and some people are likely to take it to court instead of accepting the involuntary donation. I guess best I don't have an opinion on which way it SHOULD go, but if talking about heartless monsters, I think this story sort of qualifies...

    6. Re:I'm betting that... by geoskd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Makes me wonder if there's specific case law for this kind of thing though, pretty sure it's happened before, and some people are likely to take it to court instead of accepting the involuntary donation

      There is plenty of case law precedent to prevent her from successfully wining anything. She voluntarily dropped the equipment off at a recycling location. Just because she had no idea that it was valuable doesn't mean she is entitled to protection from her own ignorance. Contrary to popular belief, the laws are not intended to protect stupid people from doing stupid things to themselves.

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    7. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The recyclers are sanctimonious scum bags.
      It is not up to them to decide how the proceeds are divided.
      The woman who owned the computer should make that decision.
      Perhaps she would like to honor her husbands memory in other ways.

    8. Re:I'm betting that... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      If he was going to do that why not do it right from the start? With all of the media fuss now the real lady might show up.

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    9. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Contrary to popular belief, the laws are not intended to protect stupid people from doing stupid things to themselves.

      I disagree.

      Please note, however, that I am only disagreeing with you on the premise of what is, not on what should be. IE, if you had instead said "the law shouldn't be trying to protect stupid people from doing stupid things to themselves", I would have agreed with you.

    10. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not arguing the point you're making, but there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Just because this woman apparently was unaware of the value of this old stuff does not mean that she's stupid, for all we know she may be a brilliant medical researcher who just happens to be totally uninterested in old computer hardware.

    11. Re:I'm betting that... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd like to cite a precedence in case law; viz. Finders v. Keepers...

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    12. Re: I'm betting that... by binarylarry · · Score: 2

      Drug laws?

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    13. Re: I'm betting that... by LocalH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She dropped the computer off for recycling. If you throw out a bunch of stuff, and unbeknownst to you there is a mint copy of Action Comics #1 in that stuff, them once you throw it out it is no longer yours. In fact, the local municipaloty may have a stronger claim than you do in such a case.

      I have no sympathy for her if she tries to push for more than the $100,0000. She's lucky the recycling center is ethical enough to offer it to her, as they're otherwise not obligated to give her a penny.

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    14. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not up to them to decide how the proceeds are divided.

      Um, yeah, it kind of is. Because once she gave them the gear, it belonged 100% to them. They don't have to divide one damn dollar if they don't feel like it.

      The woman who owned the computer should make that decision.

      She made the decision to give it away. In other words, it was worth exactly $0 to her.

    15. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a box that you are 99.999% sure is full of garbage, is it actually stupid not to look in it? If you are wrong you've potentially wasted a lot of your time which has economic value, or alternatively you wind up keeping a bunch of useless garbage around and becoming a hoarder, also stupid.

    16. Re:I'm betting that... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      She voluntarily dropped the equipment off at a recycling location

      Not sure of the local laws, but in some places the moment you drop off items in a recycle centre or dump, it belongs to the centre as the centre has scavenging rights. They could rightly keep all the money and gain whatever kudos coming to them.

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    17. Re:I'm betting that... by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

      I'm not arguing the point you're making, but there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Just because this woman apparently was unaware of the value of this old stuff does not mean that she's stupid, for all we know she may be a brilliant medical researcher who just happens to be totally uninterested in old computer hardware.

      I've watched enough episodes of all kinds of shows like 'Pickers' and 'Salvage Hunters' in addition to my own experience to know that you'd not believe what stuff you have laying around in your garage or on your property that's worth money and it doesn't have to be a long lost Vermeer, the hitherto unknown seventh production Bugatti Royale or a Ming vase. I once met a guy who found an old Audi Quattro in a hedge on his property one morning. It had been driven there by joyriders and abandoned. He just let it lay there until the local authority started making noises about the thing. Nobody claimed the vehicle, nobody wanted it except the council who wanted it gone so when a passing Quattro enthusiast offered to buy it becasue it was in good nick and he wanted to restore it the land owner went through the motions to claim it and sold it for a tidy amount. That car was in good order despite looking rather bad but even if it hadn't been he could probably still have sold it to a used parts trader. I've seen people sell granite boulders for a up to a couple of hundred dollars a piece, rusty old machinery, gnarled furniture, light fittings can all be flogged to people outfitting themed restaurant/nightclubs for amounts of money you wouldn't believe. The list goes on, and on. My sister even cleaned out her house last year, put the junk into one big box and flogged most of it on ebay for just under £200. The biggest problem you have when cleaning out a house or a property is not making money off of what might seem like junk at first glance, it's finding a dealer who isn't going to rip you off if you don't have time to sell your junk yourself.

    18. Re: I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the recycling center was a nonprofit, like say Goodwill, she can probably retroactively claim the half she isn't paid in cash as a charitable contribution, even refilling her taxes if necessary. The tax deduction for a $100,000 donation is not small. She still might be entitled to that, even if she didn't know that $200k was the fair market value when she donated it.

    19. Re:I'm betting that... by Columcille · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Trailer Park Boys has taught us that you can steal anything if you first move it from a person's house to the side of the road. Once it's at the side of the road, it's trash and free for the taking so it's not really illegal to take it. You can easily use this method to appropriate grills, patio furniture, yard decorations, etc.

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    20. Re:I'm betting that... by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

      Trailer Park Boys has taught us that you can steal anything if you first move it from a person's house to the side of the road.

      Even Alex Lifeson.

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    21. Re:I'm betting that... by dj245 · · Score: 1

      I'd like to cite a precedence in case law; viz. Finders v. Keepers...

      I'm not familiar with that one. Maybe you meant Keepers v. Weepers?

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    22. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is kind of true; only big institutions tend to have that sort of protection, for example if the bank or some other organization accidentally deposits a huge sum on your bank account, you could apparently go to jail for spending it. For the case of the individual, we can still certainly make a moral argument that giving off more than she intended should be somewhat protected. In addition, there's a practical problem because I'm not sure if the recycling centers there require people dropping off things to sign documentation transfering the ownership. This is a natural stage for any sale of auction; but when dropping trash at a recycling center? So hypothetically speaking, what if the recycling center staff drove around the neighborhood, picking up everything that's not bolted down, and then claimed "Oh they dropped it over voluntarily, or can you prove otherwise?". So unless some papers have been signed, even legally the case may not be as clear-cut as a yard sale or estate auction. It's a different matter if papers were written and signed, but then they'd know who the woman was, no? And even if papers were signed, that still doesn't make it morally unquestionable for a recycling center that doesn't operate with that kind of profit motive, and many people implictly trust, to make off with such a fortune. Just my opinion, of course :)

    23. Re:I'm betting that... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Sorry, no. I hate to burst your bubble, but they could easily have kept the entire $200,000 without saying a word and they would have been in the clear legally. So I know it pains you deeply but you're just going to have to accept the most parsimonious explanation, some people aren't shitbags.

    24. Re: I'm betting that... by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      No no you've got it all wrong, evil capitalist companies have no interest in ethics, they should all become good marxists and get busy with the mass murdering.

    25. Re:I'm betting that... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I mistakenly left my wallet at the VA hospital after an appointment with my GP. It had about 5k in cash and a variety of cards and my ID and license. I went back the following day and it was at the secretaries office in a safe waiting for me. I gave the finder 1/5 if the cash and my faith was restored.

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    26. Re:I'm betting that... by v1 · · Score: 1

      FWIW, the law very rarely supports "finders keepers losers weepers". The short story on that is that "physical posession does not prove or establish transfer of ownership". The only time that has a chance of winning is when the loser fails to establish they ever had ownership. But in this case, she gave it to them, and that 100% transfers ownership. Legally, they owe her nothing, and would be unlikely to lose in a court case.

      Someone above cited big business as above this law, such as a "bank error in your favor" getting yoinked back. No, in that case when you sign the paperwork to set up the account, there will be specific wording in there saying you agree that bank errors are NOT in your favor and you will be legally obligated to return any cash withdrawn under those circumstances. The only difference here as far as the bank is concerned is they didn't stop you before you got money from them (unlke say, a bounced check) and so now there's a bit of additional burden to having go to after you to get the money back. (it usually doesn't work that way, so that just tends to get them wound up)

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    27. Re:I'm betting that... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      There's a big difference between forgetting to pick up your billfold with $200 in it and handing it to the secretary, saying, "I don't need this billfold anymore." One is a failure to act, the other is a deliberate act. I'm not saying the secretary in the latter situation shouldn't ask whether you really meant to leave $200 in it, but the two situations aren't really comparable.

      People sell things all the time for way less than they are worth, only to find the highest bidder reselling it at several times the previous selling price. This is really much closer to that situation than it is to forgetting your billfold.

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    28. Re:I'm betting that... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      quite a few sections of contract law, of loan regulations, finance regulations, fcc, safety etc are to protect stupid people from stupid things.

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    29. Re: I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the recycling center was a nonprofit, like say Goodwill, she can probably retroactively claim the half she isn't paid in cash as a charitable contribution, even refilling her taxes if necessary. The tax deduction for a $100,000 donation is not small. She still might be entitled to that, even if she didn't know that $200k was the fair market value when she donated it.

      The tax deduction for $100K donation depends totally on your tax bracket. Also, since you can only deduct 30-50% of your Adjusted gross income. Even in the best 50% case, unless you have an AGI of $200k, you cannot simply deduct $100k (although in some cases you can carry forward for up to 5 years). That might be reasonable for someone in the bay area, but not for the average widow cleaning out a garage. Also, if you are a widow and have an AGI that high, you are probably very near the schedule A limitation on deductions to 80% (remember obama says you are rich).

    30. Re: I'm betting that... by secret_squirrel_99 · · Score: 2

      Also, since you can only deduct 30-50% of your Adjusted gross income. Even in the best 50% case, unless you have an AGI of $200k, you cannot simply deduct $100k (although in some cases you can carry forward for up to 5 years). That might be reasonable for someone in the bay area, but not for the average widow cleaning out a garage. Also, if you are a widow and have an AGI that high, you are probably very near the schedule A limitation on deductions to 80% (remember obama says you are rich).

      Except that she can carry it forward for probably five years. Now shes only trying to deduct 20K/year and with even a modest income, will likely fall under 30%

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  3. Re:What they say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lerl

  4. Why is it worth that much? by kthreadd · · Score: 1

    $200,000 sounds insane for an old computer. OK it's a fairly rare computer that has some historical value, but even a fraction of that amount would be quite high.

    1. Re:Why is it worth that much? by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It, and everything else, are worth exactly what people are willing to pay for them.

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    2. Re: Why is it worth that much? by slasher999 · · Score: 1

      Precisely. Being a somewhat early Apple guy by today's standards having had an Apple IIc purchased new shortly before the IIc+ was released if I had $200k sitting around and wanted an awesome display piece I'd buy it.

    3. Re:Why is it worth that much? by graphius · · Score: 1

      A fool and his money.....

    4. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could ask that question over anything that people pay lots of money for. Paintings, jewellery, watches.

      It's old, apparently remarkable to some people, and they would like to collect it.

    5. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Na, that's just about a month's rent in the Bay Area.

    6. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      two of them are enough in museums, the rest is just trash.

    7. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be quality. Maybe the guy bought it but never unboxed it.

    8. Re:Why is it worth that much? by RealGene · · Score: 2

      It's called "historicity". An item that is an actualization of a historic event. Apple I represents the start of a major cultural, if not technological, shift.

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    9. Re:Why is it worth that much? by linebackn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anything involving Apple is a bit nuts.

      But among other things, an Apple I represents one of the early beginnings in the computing world. You can't get much closer to the direct early work of Woz and Jobs. Apple Is are indeed very rare. Supposedly most Apple Is were traded in for discounts on Apple IIs, so few were left in the general public. The parts themselves are rare. Woz chose some parts that weren't even incredibly common at the time - so it is difficult to build accurate replicas. (An Apple II replica, in contrast can be built from mostly from parts that are still available new)

      There is actually quite a bit of demand for vintage items that similarly represent various "beginnings". Such as TRS-80s, Commodore PETs, Apple II/II+s, IBM 5150 PCs, etc, but those are common enough they can often be had for a few hundred dollars.

    10. Re: Why is it worth that much? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I don't think those came with boxes. You had to personally know the Steves to get one of those, and they were hand built in Job's garage.

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    11. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is worth more than manufacturing cost +20%. If you are willing to pay more ... A fool and his money will be soon parted

    12. Re:Why is it worth that much? by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      It, and everything else, are worth exactly what people are willing to pay for them.

      Of course, but I wasn't questioning that it was worth that amount of money. I asked why.

    13. Re: Why is it worth that much? by gnupun · · Score: 1

      Nothing is worth more than manufacturing cost +20%.

      So how is 20% distributed amongst manufacturers, distributors and retailers? LOL

    14. Re:Why is it worth that much? by itzly · · Score: 1

      It could be "historicity" and still only worth $300. The only reason it's worth $200000 is because some idiot paid that much, because he's hoping that in a few years he can sell it to a bigger idiot for $250000.

    15. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.
      A trillionaire could pay whatever he liked for something that no one else could possibly afford. If you have enough money prices are meaningless.

    16. Re:Why is it worth that much? by AndyCanfield · · Score: 2

      The computer store on El Camino Real in Los Altos used to have an Apple 1 in the display case showing a price tag of one million dollars. This was about 1988. I believed it.

    17. Re: Why is it worth that much? by LocalH · · Score: 0

      You're a tool. All of them should be preserved when possible.

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    18. Re:Why is it worth that much? by krouic · · Score: 0

      Overpriced garbage stuff ? Must be something from apple.

    19. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You had to personally know the Steves to get one of those

      Not really, all you had to do was walk into the Byte Shop.

      and they were hand built in Job's garage

      According to Woz, that's a myth. Apple did no manufacturing in the garage.

    20. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      $200,000 sounds insane for an old computer. OK it's a fairly rare computer that has some historical value, but even a fraction of that amount would be quite high.

      Stop thinking about it as a computer, start thinking about it as an antique. It is the beginning of the company with the highest market cap in the world and whose products are a household item. If you have an "Apple I" billions of people will recognize the product or the company, perhaps even more than a Picasso or Da Vinci. It is a very tangible, practical showpiece that doesn't easily decay or require tons of maintenance that is very rare - 63 are known to still exist - but not so uniquely rare as to all be locked up in an art museum, nor so huge and impractical as the first computers.

      Compared to other showoff pieces it doesn't have any nasty history like old artifacts stolen from somewhere, it doesn't involve rare or endangered animals, it's somewhat nerdy but I'd consider it similar to owning a genuinely antique car. You might only drive it for a parade or not at all, but it's the classic "I got something you don't got" which is the essence for rich people who want to impress other rich people. The manly verison of women who pay 10x as much to wear a designer dress - which sometimes is neither prettier nor more practical - but more exclusive.

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    21. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit theory. I've bought many things in my life that clearly aren't worth what I was willing to pay for them. :/

    22. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It, and everything else, are worth exactly what people are willing to pay for them.

      Of course, but I wasn't questioning that it was worth that amount of money. I asked why.

      Interesting question... the collector's market is really strange and much of it is completely illogical. Things nobody wants can be worth a fortune a little later. Believe it or not there are actually fashion trends in junk. I'm constantly amazed at the crap you can sell interior decorators. When steam punk is all the rage you can sell old cogwheels and cast iron table legs for a fortune, when the trend switches to 70's nostalgia your rusty iron machinery becomes worthless but crappy plastic disco balls and sweaty old clothes become valuable rarities. Believe it or not vintage jeans can be worth thousands and the more beat up they are the more people pay. I've seen people buy stuff that I resolutely refused to believe was worth a dime before I saw money change hands. Just because it's rare or old does not mean it is valuable, but it could be if it comes into fashion so timing is key. Stuff like the Apple I is valuable because of the history of Apple and the company's effect on the computer business. Most Nazi stuff is considered creepy and sells to a niche market but Enigma machines are an exception and sell to rich math geeks and IT startups millionaires because you get nerd points for owning one. Just wait a couple of decades and watch Google promotional banners, posters, coffee mugs, t-shirts or low serial Nexus One smartphones sell for outlandish sums of money.

    23. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? We can 3D print an indistinguishable copy, right? I mean, if I believe the breathless 3D printing hype?

    24. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      The only reason it's worth $200000 is because some idiot paid that much, because he's hoping that in a few years he can sell it to a bigger idiot for $250000.

      Maybe that's his motivation; but it's just as likely he's trying to complete his collection of "vintage" computers and has money to burn. Not every collector is motivated solely by arbitrage.

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    25. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      No, there was a display ad in Kilobaud Computing and some other magazines. You could mail order an Apple Board for $666. I used to have a complete run of Kilobaud and that ad was in issue #1.

    26. Re:Why is it worth that much? by itzly · · Score: 1

      Another big motivator is to show your friends that you have so much money that you can afford to throw $200k away on a useless piece of old electronics.

    27. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Apple 1 really didn't. There were other contemporary boards that were just as historically significant that don't have the collectors value as an Apple board. The Bigboard, the KIM 1. The Sym 1. The single board that the 6100 processor was built on.

      The Apple board came from a company where there is a slight amount of continuity to today, but other than that it is part of the pack, just one of a number of boards people ran back then.

    28. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The beginning of Apple would be the blueboxes that the Steves sold to raise money to build a computer for sale. Said blueboxes would be contraband and evidence except for the statue of limitations, of course.

    29. Re: Why is it worth that much? by DrVxD · · Score: 1

      So you're saying they're hand jobs?

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    30. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip! Kilobaud is available on Archive.org. Issue #2 has a full article on "The Remarkable Apple Computer."

      It contains the hilarious quote "'We're not in the business of making things more expensive,' say Jobs and Wozniak."

    31. Re:Why is it worth that much? by geniice · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are already at least 4 in museums (Smithsonian, Sydney Powerhouse, London Science, Henry Ford Michigan). From the POV of museums they make a nice item. The name is recognisable (first apple computer is going to get more attention than say a OSI Model 500), its a convenient size (which is why a lot of british museums have a ZX Spectrum on display while the APE(X)C is in storage) and history of computing galleries are pretty much a must for any science/technology museum at the moment

    32. Re: Why is it worth that much? by geniice · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia thinks at least 63 of the things exist. Compared to some other early computers that is pretty common. While there is probably enough demand from archives to support that number I wouldn't get too concerned until the number droped to 20 or so.

    33. Re: Why is it worth that much? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      That might've actually been true at the time. I remember people reporting that the Apple II at least was regarded as sensibly priced, bringing personal computing to the masses. Of course "markup" has been their entire business model since I've been alive...

    34. Re:Why is it worth that much? by geniice · · Score: 1

      Computers are a big obvious part of our civilisation at the moment thus people take an interest in early examples. The apple 1 is probably the earliest example that:

      1)turns up on the open market on a regular basis (are there any Ferranti Mark 1s in private hands?)
      2)people have heard of (Kenbak-1 anyone?)
      3)Is a reasonable size (Ross Perot may be prepared to give space over to a few ENIAC cabinets but not all collectors will).

      While there are other options that fulfil some of the requirements the apple 1 is probably the only one that fills all free.

    35. Re:Why is it worth that much? by geniice · · Score: 1

      I don't think so. Museums have put in bids in that region and we aren't seeing the kind of ticks used by the art as an investment crowd (as far as I'm aware no apple 1s are in free ports).

    36. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nothing is worth more than manufacturing cost +20%. If you are willing to pay more ... A fool and his money will be soon parted

      That's the funny thing about value. It's based on how much you want a thing, not how much it costs to produce.

      If your statement were true, McDonald's would charge 15 cents for a large Coke.

    37. Re:Why is it worth that much? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Bullshit theory. I've bought many things in my life that clearly aren't worth what I was willing to pay for them. :/

      Then why did you buy them? You made the decision that the purchases were what you decided to spend. That's what those items were worth at the time you reached for your wallet.

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    38. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not useless... You can play an early version of Apple Trek on it!! That was a great game!!

    39. Re:Why is it worth that much? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      A trillionaire could pay whatever he liked for something that no one else could possibly afford. If you have enough money prices are meaningless.

      And yet one of the main reasons that people go from being, say, lower middle class to "well off" (or rich) is by not being stupid with their money. I know several people who've being The Evil Rich after years and years of hard work, and they still shop at Costco, buy lightly used cars, and only spend what they think it's worth on bigger ticket things.

      So what if a rich person doesn't care that the drink at a hipster bar costs $20, while for you that would be a stupid waste of money? There are billions of people in the world for whom what you would spend on a drink is still an insane luxury purchase. You aren't really foggy on this, are you? It's called a market.

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    40. Re: Why is it worth that much? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Nothing is worth more than manufacturing cost +20%

      Spoken exactly like someone who has never actually run (or even participated, with his eyes open) a retail business. You obviously have no notion, whatsoever, of what labor costs, what retail rent costs, what liability insurance costs, what taxes look like, or how little is left if you only mark things up 20%. Actually, there's nothing left. You're giving things away at that point ... but not for long, because you'll be bankrupt shortly.

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    41. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My rMBP has outlived two of "the best of the best" HP laptops out there. I paid about 10% more for the Mac then I did for the average price of the two HPs... you call it markup, I call it a laptop I can actually depend on.

    42. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is worth more than manufacturing cost +20%.

      So how is 20% distributed amongst manufacturers, distributors and retailers? LOL

      2% mfr, 5% distributor and 13% retailer.

      Distributors often use credit financing off the mfr, and retailer have high overhead costs. Makers.... well they're usually tryign to make something and hoping to profit. Not the other way around. That would be the IP firms licensing things to makers.

      There's a reason manufacturing was moved out of the US. Our distributors and retailers can still profit by selling off the corpses of manufacturers.

    43. Re: Why is it worth that much? by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Nothing is worth more than manufacturing cost +20%. If you are willing to pay more ... A fool and his money will be soon parted

      Sure, perhaps this is your yardstick, and if it is that's perfectly fine.

      But tell me, how do you go about figuring out what the manufacturing costs actually are? Unless you are willing to allow Tim Cook to tell you that all gross revenues are "manufacturing costs"...

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    44. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      It has that valuation precisely because so many Apple Is were thrown out. Had everyone been brilliant about recognizing potential value in old gear, it would have potentially had...no value.

    45. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A trillionaire could pay whatever he liked for something that no one else could possibly afford. If you have enough money prices are meaningless.

      And yet one of the main reasons that people go from being, say, lower middle class to "well off" (or rich) is by not being stupid with their money. I know several people who've being The Evil Rich after years and years of hard work, and they still shop at Costco, buy lightly used cars, and only spend what they think it's worth on bigger ticket things.

      So what if a rich person doesn't care that the drink at a hipster bar costs $20, while for you that would be a stupid waste of money? There are billions of people in the world for whom what you would spend on a drink is still an insane luxury purchase. You aren't really foggy on this, are you? It's called a market.

      Ah, 1%'er wannabe propaganda, must be ScentCone!

      First some numbers:
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/20/1112142/-Forget-the-top-1-percent-Let-s-talk-about-the-bottom-50-percent-for-a-minute
      The mean net worth is $500k
      The bottom 50% have 1% of the net worth in the US.
      Using "close enough" approximation, that means the average person in the bottom 50% has $5k to their name, including their couch, shitbox car and personal items. The bottom tenth, the "poor" probably have under $500. That's including whatever shit value clothing, appliances and bedding they have, not $500 "liquid" cash.

      If you can shop at Costco, you are already "rich". Until just recently you needed an American Express Card which required not-crap credit. That already wiped out half the US population, and 90+% of the rest of the world too, but forget them for now. USA! USA! USA!

      Costco membership requires:
      1) ~$100 up front fee - Not huge, but more than the bottom quarter can generally spare and a noticeable hit to the rest of the bottom half.
      2) A good credit history - which is rare given point 1 - to get that Amex (now VISA).
      3) The cash to pre-buy goods. A case of 80 TP rolls takes a lot more space than a 4 pack. Cheaper per roll is not cheaper if you are on payday loans to avoid getting a car repo'ed after your high deductible health insurance plan takes all your pathetic savings. Medical costs are the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the USA, and even if poor people can't afford official bankruptcy paperwork, they still get hit.
      4) A car, including insurance, gas, repairs, tolls, parking, etc to transport that stuff and to travel to the store.
      5) High quality appliances capable of keeping and storing perishables before they go bad due to spoilage. A mini fridge is not going to keep a 4lb bag of chicken frozen. It can barely handle 1 mini pizza, much less 2.
      6) Luck in life to be born in a socio-economic class where 1,2,3,4,5 aren't taken for granted. Class mobility in the US is down and has been for 30+ years. Sure, a few statistical flukes make it through but the number one correlation between wealth in the USA is the zip code you were born in.

      Here's one of the many studies for a SES cite:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21066930

      Fun fact: Being born poor and white is STILL a better result than being born black and richish. Must be bad genes.... not at all systematic bias, nope, nosirree boy!

    46. Re:Why is it worth that much? by ScentCone · · Score: 1
      And ... what does this have to do with things being worth what people are willing to pay for them?

      Regardless: yes, being successful has a lot to do with culture. As in, it's a damn shame when people who aren't equipped (or dedicated to) raising successful kids go ahead and have kids anyway. Look at Baltimore. Kids going to school and learning how to be humans and winding up as fairly comfortable middle class people, just miles from kids who get exactly as much (and often more) spent on them at school, who have subsidies available for college and countless other programs, but whose neighborhoods tend to be full of poverty and squalor.

      For you, it's all about race. Because you're lazy, and/or you don't want to stick your neck out and talk honestly about family and neighborhood culture. Culture is not race.

      And while you're deliberately mis-reporting and muddling things: Costco's basic membership is only $55. And there is no credit check necessary - feel free to pay cash. And an entire family, and every friend or neighbor they want to bring with them, can walk in and load up on things at sensible prices and check out on one person's card. Your fake barriers to spending less on things like commodity food are BS, and you know it.

      Sure would be convenient if there was a Costco in easy walk-up range in those rough neighborhoods in West Baltimore, right? Ask the liberal democrats who've been running that city for decades why that specific area is so hostile to investment, why the people who live there are scared to carry bags of groceries down the sidewalk, and why it's so hard to find people willing and able to work in stores.

      Being born poor and white is STILL a better result than being born black and richish

      Really? Shall we start comparing the life prospects of poor white kids in Appalchia to the kids born to dual income white collar households places mostly black areas like PG County, outside of DC? Yeah, don't trouble yourself. BSing about it won't change it, as much as you'd strangely LIKE the narrative you're going on about to be true. Why, I don't know.

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    47. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If I had $200k to buy one that is. Last time I looked they were going for $10k.
      OTOH I have my own collection which includes Apple II and //, c, gs, early Macs, Commodore, TRS, Microbee, Amstrad, early Olivetti, IBM PC (one of the first I think). The apparent value is almost zero and a few yeas ago I fought to keep them from being thrown out. I have no idea that there might be something in that pile that may be worth something one day when the perceived value becomes greater than apparent trash.
      There is some equipment that is very cumbersome, like a daisy wheel and some early dot matrix.
      There are a few others I'd like to have for example an Apple ///, a Lisa, a TI (16 bit), an iconic CP/M machine (Osborne) etc.
      Pity I don't have a museum for them....

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    48. Re: Why is it worth that much? by peter303 · · Score: 1

      They also sold them at Stanford Linear Accelerator (home brew) computer meetup. I used to see the two Steves demoing it there.

    49. Re: Why is it worth that much? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      More like 25% to FedEx/UPS, and everybody else in the distribution chain loses money on every sale, but tries to make it up in volume....

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    50. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you're mostly correct, are you fucking kidding me with the nazi shit? The original stuff is worth good money. The "niche" buying that is pretty big, and some items can run into millions of dollars (talking about top of the top of the top medals here). If there wasn't sizable demand, something as common as an original Iron Cross lowest class wouldn't be going for $75-100 because millions were made. It goes way beyond Enigma machines.

    51. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What people on average are willing to spend, not what one single outlier person is willing to spend. Sheesh. Did you REALLY misunderstand the point that much, or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

    52. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW, I shop at costco all the time and I *don't* have an american express card (I pay cash or use my debit card)...
      I pay $55/year membership. Don't own a car (parking at SF costco is a bitch anyhow), but I do have friends with cars and joint shop with them (to split the supersized items into more manageable amounts which many folks do even when I lived in colorado springs).

      Doesn't mean I'm not in the 1%, but buying stuff at costco doesn't require that (except living close enough to the SF costco to contemplate buying stuff there)

    53. Re: Why is it worth that much? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      I've got a still-fully-functional Olivetti PC1, had it on last night in fact - what's that worth?

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    54. Re:Why is it worth that much? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      ...or an IMSAI 8080?

      (last time I went to the Science Museum (2013?) they had a computer exhibition up that included a slew of Apples, an IBM PS/1, some consumer machines including a BBC Model B 32 (same model as I have, a Mod. 7, except mine works) and a Spectrum +2 (they wanted my +3 but I ain't letting that go), a Cray X-MP (possibly a mockup since it was out on the open floor and opened to show the five miles of wires and sat next to a sign boasting that "This computer served in later life as a bench. Take a load off."), and a tray of random processors showing the evolution between the Zilog 80 through Intel's Core. I have a stack of photos somewhere).

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    55. Re: Why is it worth that much? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      are you writing the Chancellor's Budget, by any chance?

      Fuck me. Manufacturing is probably less than 10% the total cost of ANY item.

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    56. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Probably the same as mine. 8086 with green screen and WP program?
      The only way to determine $value is to auction it with a reserve of what you think its worth.

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    57. Re: Why is it worth that much? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      4-colour CGA. It has two floppy drives and is capable of running DOS 5.1, very possibly a stripped version of FractINT (never tried running FractINT on an XT clone before...), I would be using it for word processing in EDIT but I'm onto my stock of cheap (Verbatim) floppies now and keep chewing through them - need to find a supply of Sonys.

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    58. Re: Why is it worth that much? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      oh, forgot to answer the first question part: the CPU is an NEC V40 at 4.77/8MHz, not quite an x86 - it runs 8080 instructions and is code-compatible with the Intel 80188 (the feature-enhanced version of the 8088).

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    59. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, parent doesn't know what he's talking about. My uncles collected all types of war stuff (from Civil War to Desert Storm) and when he died, I was tasked to sell it. After taking out the best pieces (all German) to sell to people I know paid top dollar, the rest went to auction. The WW2 German stuff sold best, highest, and vastly more interest. Followed by Civil War, then the WW1 German stuff, followed by WW1/2 American stuff. The Korean/Vietnam/Other US stuff sold like shit in comparison. Although I will say WW2 US went up a lot since my uncles bought it pre-90s.

      People watch the history channel and want a piece of the bad guys from the most visited topic: WW2. Nothing creepy about it.

    60. Re:Why is it worth that much? by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      $200,000 sounds insane for an old computer. OK it's a fairly rare computer that has some historical value, but even a fraction of that amount would be quite high.

      Stop thinking about it as a computer, start thinking about it as an antique. It is the beginning of the company with the highest market cap in the world and whose products are a household item. If you have an "Apple I" billions of people will recognize the product or the company, perhaps even more than a Picasso or Da Vinci. It is a very tangible, practical showpiece that doesn't easily decay or require tons of maintenance that is very rare - 63 are known to still exist - but not so uniquely rare as to all be locked up in an art museum, nor so huge and impractical as the first computers.

      Compared to other showoff pieces it doesn't have any nasty history like old artifacts stolen from somewhere, it doesn't involve rare or endangered animals, it's somewhat nerdy but I'd consider it similar to owning a genuinely antique car. You might only drive it for a parade or not at all, but it's the classic "I got something you don't got" which is the essence for rich people who want to impress other rich people. The manly verison of women who pay 10x as much to wear a designer dress - which sometimes is neither prettier nor more practical - but more exclusive.

      I have one of the original bits used in the prototype. This one's a 0.

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    61. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, parent doesn't know what he's talking about. My uncles collected all types of war stuff (from Civil War to Desert Storm) and when he died, I was tasked to sell it. After taking out the best pieces (all German) to sell to people I know paid top dollar, the rest went to auction. The WW2 German stuff sold best, highest, and vastly more interest. Followed by Civil War, then the WW1 German stuff, followed by WW1/2 American stuff. The Korean/Vietnam/Other US stuff sold like shit in comparison. Although I will say WW2 US went up a lot since my uncles bought it pre-90s.

      People watch the history channel and want a piece of the bad guys from the most visited topic: WW2. Nothing creepy about it.

      That depends on how you define "Nazi collectables". To me it does not mean Mauser 98 rifles, Stalhelms or Wehrmacht badges. To me "Nazi collectables" means Nazi flags with swastikas, Gestapo badges and jackets, Gauleiter uniforms, party pins, concentration camp guard unit badges... etc. In Europe crap like that is very much niche collectibles especially since in some places like Germany for example you can be sent to f**k you in the a** jail for trading in that shit . Oh, and if you think it is so acceptable to trade in Nazi collectables why are you two posting AC?

    62. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I have Toshiba laptops with '486 processors in them that work fine, and have clearly 'outlived' a lot of other hardware. I also have a Powerbook 165c that works fine, though. I'm pretty sure my Apple II would boot up if I put it all together and tried.

      I certainly don't believe you're paying for 'long lasting quality' when you buy the current Apple product line. It's the same build quality of any other hardware in it's price range. Hardware is completely commodity at this point.

    63. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Gorbag · · Score: 1

      Nothing is worth more than manufacturing cost +20%. If you are willing to pay more ... A fool and his money will be soon parted

      Never had a kid, right?

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  5. Anonymity by Livius · · Score: 1

    Since the donor wanted anonymity, they could just anonymously donate her cut to a charity.

    1. Re:Anonymity by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Who says she wanted anonymity?

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  6. Need to get the Vintage word out by linebackn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sadly this kinds of thing happens every day. I'm surprised that a "recycler" even caught it before sending it off to a third world landfill. I dare say any manuals and software the owner had went directly in to the regular trash.

    You can't keep it all, but for anything roughly 1980s or earlier vintage, it might be worth at least having a local computer geek taking a look at it before sending off for "recycling". Slashdotters probably already know this, but it would be good if people could get the word out. Big corps have the masses too well trained that anything more than a year or to old must be disposed of.

    There are actually whole communities around vintage gear. If anyone has questions trying to identify old hardware or software, feel free to drop in at http://www.vintage-computer.co... and ask!

    1. Re:Need to get the Vintage word out by umdesch4 · · Score: 1

      This is true of a lot of old hardware. Not just computers. Never trash a TR-808 drum machine, or a Technics 1200 turntable, for example.

    2. Re:Need to get the Vintage word out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been recycling electronics for 15 years. Hardly any of our materials end up in any landfill, let alone a "third world landfill". 99% of the materials are reused in some form or other. Even the leaded glass is recycled, and that's the hardest thing and most costly. Some of the breadboard is toxic waste, that's about all.

    3. Re:Need to get the Vintage word out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a recycling centre in Silicon Valley, give them some credit. Lots of computer geeks in that area, as well as old computers. I would be more surprised if they overlooked the rarity of the donation, rather than vice versa.

    4. Re:Need to get the Vintage word out by antdude · · Score: 2

      My parents thought my Apple //c would be worth a lot in 2008, but nope when I checked online. So, we just donated it. Maybe it will be worth a lot after I am dead at 100 or so! :P

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  7. Re:highly intelligent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you suck your own cock too? Because with that kind of attitude, good luck finding a mate.

  8. Re:highly intelligent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice, assuming AC is male...

  9. Re:highly intelligent by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a little while after meeting you they kind of distance themselves, they get a weird kinda awe-inspired respect for you

    If the tone of your post is any indication of what you are like in person, I believe that you may be entirely wrong, almost to the point of being polar opposite to reality, about their intentions about why they distance themselves... .

  10. Too soon? by CODiNE · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think I may have found her.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...

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    1. Re:Too soon? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      When I first heard the story on KCBS this morning, that was my first thought as well.

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  11. Will the person... by JaneTheIgnorantSlut · · Score: 2

    ...who left the Apple I computer please form a line at the door.

  12. Lots of Interesting Stuff by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    There was probably lots of other interesting stuff in the boxes recycled. Likely things a lot more interesting and obscure than an Apple board.

  13. Half honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't recycle anything, they just sold it on as whole. Had they been fully honest, they would have returned it to her, letting her know what it was worth.

    1. Re:Half honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Had they been fully honest, they would have returned it to her, letting her know what it was worth.

      Did you miss the part where they don't know who she is?

  14. STEM by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

    And they say we need more women in STEM!!!!

    We do. We need more people in STEM generally, even if it results in too many people in STEM, because it's a lot better to have people trained to think rationally than not.

    1. Re:STEM by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      And they say we need more women in STEM!!!!

      We do. We need more people in STEM generally, even if it results in too many people in STEM, because it's a lot better to have people trained to think rationally than not.

      Totally true, but it's also a lot better to have people trained to think compassionately and kindly than not. The two are compatible. Not to suggest that you were suggesting they're not. But for all those guys who scoff at any attempt to get schoolkids to think beyond xenophobia and callousness as a step towards superstition and magical thinking and irrationality, for some reason.

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  15. Re:highly intelligent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is slashdot, remember?

  16. Most people do not have real treasures by sjbe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've watched enough episodes of all kinds of shows like 'Pickers' and 'Salvage Hunters' in addition to my own experience to know that you'd not believe what stuff you have laying around in your garage or on your property that's worth money and it doesn't have to be a long lost Vermeer, the hitherto unknown seventh production Bugatti Royale or a Ming vase.

    And I've actually owned an auction company in years gone by and I can assure you that almost all of the stuff people have lying around their garage is genuinely garbage or at best not worth much. Certainly not worth the hassle of trying to sell it on eBay in most cases. People tend to think old = valuable but in most cases that simply isn't true. Yes, sometimes you run across a genuine treasure but that is a seriously rare occurrence.

    Shows like American Pickers are ludicrously unrealistic except in the sense that a lot of people who deal in secondhand goods (read junk) are seriously weird people. I've had to deal with a lot of them first hand. Some of the strangest people I've ever met. Some nice, some not so much, but rarely what you or I would consider "normal".

    My sister even cleaned out her house last year, put the junk into one big box and flogged most of it on ebay for just under £200. The biggest problem you have when cleaning out a house or a property is not making money off of what might seem like junk at first glance, it's finding a dealer who isn't going to rip you off if you don't have time to sell your junk yourself.

    A decent part of my auction business was estate sales. If you don't want to go to the trouble of doing it yourself (which is VERY reasonable - it's a huge pain) then just accept the fact that you'll get something out of it but probably not the maximum possible. Get a separate person to appraise what is in the estate if you are concerned about being ripped off. Bear in mind that this will cost money. You hire someone to liquidate estate assets because you want to have a life and doing this is HUGELY time consuming. It's ok if the estate sale person/company makes a decent or even handsome profit. You'll avoid a huge time sink and you'll get some money you wouldn't have had otherwise. If you want certain items from the estate just set them aside ahead of time.

    1. Re:Most people do not have real treasures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second this. Ebay and craiglist are not worth the time and hassle the majority of the time. I had things I swore was worth some money go for pennies... okay dollars. But between dealing with idiots and sending out nickels and dimes for that one possible hit out a hundred... just isn't worth it.

    2. Re:Most people do not have real treasures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I get from shows like American pickers is that if you are not selling to the end collector then you have to leave significant profit for the dealer. It sounds like 50% of the final price is a fair percentage. This salvage yard is doing right five by five.

  17. Saw this first hand a few years back. by WarlockD · · Score: 1

    Really depends on the electronics. I worked at an electronics junk shop for a few years and we had this big scrap bin for junk that we thought was scrap. I look in it one day and I see like 7 PDP8 Omnibus boards. Thing is I didn't know what they were, I just knew the electronics on them was dated in the late 70's. I am sure thats what happened here with the Apple 1.

    But yea. Your right about the second hand pickers. Out here in east Texas, some of these collectors are just wierd:P But there must be some money in it with all the "antique stores" out here

  18. Re:What they say by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    should they (women) show an interest in STEM, I for one would be happy to give them a shot as long as they can show equal skill as the men they would hopefully be augmenting rather than replacing. Knowing the political scene, though, it'll be more than likely that the female incursion into STEM will displace men, and purely for marks on the radfem scorecard, resulting in a collective detriment of skill. Though that said, we have women to thank for the current state of computer technology: thank Hedy Lamarr for laying the groundwork for spread spectrum, and there are many others who worked behind the scenes, utterly forgotten and totally unrewarded for their contribution, who advanced asymmetric encryption algorithms, the Zen of computer programming,

    ...and that just threw me completely, what the fuck is that just popped up in my system tray saying "Get Windows 10"!? https://lh5.googleusercontent....

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  19. Re:What they say by Donkey_Hotey · · Score: 1

    ... thank Hedy Lamarr for laying the groundwork for spread spectrum....

    "It's not *Hedy*, it's *Hedley*. Hedley Lamarr."

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  20. Re:What they say by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    haven't we been through this? It's Hedy.

    (sourced citation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...)

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  21. Auction and commission fees by sjbe · · Score: 1

    What I get from shows like American pickers is that if you are not selling to the end collector then you have to leave significant profit for the dealer. It sounds like 50% of the final price is a fair percentage.

    50% is a fairly typical division of the sales revenue for anything sold on consignment. Sometimes it's more, sometimes less. For random household items anything from 35%-50% is generally reasonable. The more expensive the item the lower the commission tends to be. Nobody (sane) is going to give a dealer half the sale price of a $30,000 car for example - 10% or so would be typical or maybe even a flat fee. 50% may sound like a lot but unless you are talking about big ticket items it really isn't, especially for anyone who employs staff.

    If you are auctioning something it can vary but usually there are two important fees. A lot of auction houses will demand a buyer's premium of something like 10-20% and then a percentage of the final gavel price to the seller, typically something like another 10-20%. A lot of commissions will ratchet the percentage down as the sales price rises so it might be 20% for the first $100,000 and 15% on the amount above $100,000. I once auctioned a Lear Jet for example and we got a flat fee plus 3% since the asking price was around $3 million.

    Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, it is basically impossible to make a reasonable profit selling stuff on consignment through eBay. eBay is too labor intensive and takes too large a commission to make it worthwhile. Furthermore eBay themselves are not easy to work with, particularly their "security" people. I speak from first hand experience. You can only make money on eBay doing liquidations of inventory/assets or by being a specialty dealer in a very narrow range of goods you can get for unusually good prices.

  22. Re: What they say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dunno, there are plenty of incompetent men in STEM that could use replacing. As long as it is based on merit, the overall competency should go up.

  23. Re:What they say by sh00z · · Score: 1
  24. Are we sure the guy died? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like it could be a divorce.

  25. Re: highly intelligent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dennis is that you?

  26. It's me by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    Let me know when the check is ready, please.

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  27. Re:What they say by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    ah! I forgot about him! :D

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  28. Does the Woz have an ex? by Zymergy · · Score: 1

    Does Steve Wozniak have an ex getting rid of old crap she got in the divorce?

    1. Re:Does the Woz have an ex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they mention a Widow, but...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurene_Powell_Jobs