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Why Americans Loathe Cable Companies

HughPickens.com writes: Vikas Bajaj writes in the NYT that the results are in and the American Customer Satisfaction Index shows that customer satisfaction with cable TV, Internet and phone service providers have declined to a seven-year low. Of the 43 industries on which the survey solicits opinions, TV and Internet companies tied for last place in customer satisfaction. "Internet and TV have always been among the lowest scoring," says David VanAmburg, director of the Index. "But this year they're at the very bottom." The study, which is based on more than 14,000 consumer surveys, gives companies a rating from 0 to 100. The ACSI reports huge drops in customer satisfaction for Comcast and Time Warner Cable, following their failed merger. Already one of the lowest-scoring companies in the ACSI, Comcast sheds 10 percent to a customer satisfaction score of 54. Meanwhile, Time Warner Cable earns the distinction as least-satisfying company in the Index after falling 9 percent to 51. Joining Time Warner Cable in the basement is ACSI newcomer Mediacom Communications (51), which serves smaller markets in the Midwest and South. "Customer service in these industries has long been bad," says VanAmburg of Internet and TV providers. "They don't have a good business model for handling inquiries with efficiency and respect. It goes back a decade plus."

Even though those complaints are longstanding, customer frustration has risen along with the ever-rising prices. "You compound all that with the prices customers are paying, and that's the final straw," says VanAmburg. "They're opening bills each month and saying 'I'm paying how much?'" In an age of over-the-top viewing options like Hulu and Netflix, customer dissatisfaction may increasingly translate to companies' bottom lines. "There was a time when pay TV could get away with discontented users without being penalized by revenue losses from defecting customers," says Claes Fornell, chairman and founder of the Index. "But those days are over."

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  1. Google Fiber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If only google fiber rolled out across the country, then these "providers" would shit their pants as they became irrelevant and insolvent.

    1. Re:Google Fiber by schwit1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But this monopoly would be benevolent. Keep drinking the kool-aid

    2. Re:Google Fiber by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would put my trust in municipal and state fiber before taking a chance with Google, which could just call it quits on a whim if precedence is to mean anything. Circumvent the politicians and put the initiative on the ballot.

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    3. Re:Google Fiber by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, they wouldn't. CableCos are doing fine where GF has rolled out. Of course, in those areas the consumers are paying 1/2 the cost for 10x the bandwidth because there's actual competition. And they're making money there just fine - they're just not making *as much* money as they are where there aren't competitive markets.

      They can provide higher speeds at lower rates - especially for internet where there is no "content" fee involved (as it is with programming) - with very little affect on their bottom line. They just don't.

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    4. Re:Google Fiber by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is the irritating discussion you have with the people when you try to terminate services, where they argue they are the lower cost option. Not the point. The point is what you get for your dollar, my argument to them is the competitor costs less/bwidth and I choose solely based on bwidth.

      Lots of "but but but the value", but once you explain that their other "value-add" services are junk and replaceable with free apps that just need bandwidth, they are reduced to hostility. Google FIber is the lowest $/bwidth option out there, at the moment. If they were more pervasive, then other bandwidth providers could be compelled to increase their bandwidths. Unfortunately it's just not prevalent enough and the monopolies don't have any motivation to upgrade. The better solution is state/muni options where we can vote on our bandwidth, and use that as a forcing function on private companies to upgrade their networks.

    5. Re:Google Fiber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would put my trust in municipal and state fiber before taking a chance with Google, which could just call it quits on a whim if precedence is to mean anything. Circumvent the politicians and put the initiative on the ballot.

      What "chance" are you taking with google fiber, exactly? With a google app, yes you may come to depend on it and when it goes away there is no exact replacement which can perfectly integrate as a drop in replacement. However, with google internet service, if it goes away, what sort of integration would you have where you couldn't just drop in a replacement internet service? And when google discontinues an app, nobody is going to want to buy it up and google probably isn't going to want to sell the code anyway. But with internet service, the infrastructure would be worthwhile for other companies to buy up, and google doesn't have much to give up in the way of intellectual property, so I can't imagine someone else wouldn't buy it from them.

    6. Re:Google Fiber by njnnja · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know about your specific state or municipality, but with so many of them cutting exclusivity deals with the local cable company I don't think there are many that could be trusted. As soon as Comcast promises to give a couple new computers to some local school you can be sure they will find some reason why the municipal fiber will have to be shut down. You might be able to install muni fiber by ballot but you can't run it that way.

    7. Re:Google Fiber by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You really don't get it do you. If Google fiber comes to an end - then that means less competition. That's the point. If Comcast or AT&T come in and take over Google's infrastructure that does not create competition. You assume a new player will emerge. Why? They don't exists today. What makes you think that someone will come out just because Google gave up? Think Potsy think.

    8. Re:Google Fiber by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exclusivity deals are illegal under US Federal law 47 U.S.C. 253(a): "No State or local statute or regulation, or other State or local legal requirement, may prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting the ability of any entity to provide any interstate or intrastate telecommunications service."

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    9. Re:Google Fiber by jhecht · · Score: 5, Informative

      Muni broadband does take money, but it brings benefits. Just look at South Korea. See the NY Times story on "what silicon valley can learn from seoul." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06....

    10. Re:Google Fiber by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      It depends on your community. Philadelphia owns their water and natural gas infrastructure, but over the years they have taken the profits to plug budget holes rather than reinvest in the infrastructure. The result is something of a crisis - the natural gas pipelines are borderline dangerous and their current capital plan would take 66 years to replace them.

      On the other hand, out here in the 'burbs we have privately run water, electric, and gas. Only the sewer is run by the township. And guess which one was under-capitalized? Currently, nearly all development has stopped in the township while we wait up to 25 years for them to finish updating the sewer system. This is not a result of over-development - our suburb is very old and was almost fully developed in the 20s. This is a result of decades of neglect. I'm certain they would have let a communications infrastructure die slowly as well.

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    11. Re:Google Fiber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well the same thing happens with private companies too. In California, we have gas pipelines blowing up and killing people due to neglected maintenance and age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_San_Bruno_pipeline_explosion). This pipe was installed in 1956. This is with PG&E - a private company. They don't put their profits into maintenance since profits are apparently supposed to go to executives and bribes for public utility commissioners (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-puc-scandal-emails-20150131-story.html) They were fined 1.6 billion dollars. Think they will do maintenance now? Probably not. But they have purchased a lot of TV airtime advertising how much they care and emphasizing that their employees are proud community members.

    12. Re:Google Fiber by orlanz · · Score: 2

      Yes, I HATE this about the phone, cable, and internet providers. I wish they would stop assuming that I am some retard. I did the assessment, I know what you offer, and I personally found it lacking.

      They came up with some dollar value of their service(s) and it is asinine & disrespectful that they think we must agree to their determination. Clearly I am already pissed at the provider, the least they can do is quickly accept that we don't have a deal and make it a smooth separation and try again later. Funny, if they got rid of the legions of sales and "retention specialists", they could probably offer the service at the value I see it and not actually lose me. But then I guess our national unemployment rate would double.

    13. Re:Google Fiber by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No question that this happens with private companies. Back to the internet, look at the current state of telecommunications in places with a private telephone monopolies... Verizon in my area still only offers copper service. And while it generally "works", it hasn't had any updates since the 90s, yet the rates constantly go one direction - up.

      I was just pointing out that handing the responsibility over to the government won't necessarily buy you anything. If they don't have the will to regulate a monopoly provider, they probably aren't going to be very responsive when they own the business. It's practically the same situation.

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    14. Re:Google Fiber by Fuzion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But this monopoly would be benevolent. Keep drinking the kool-aid

      Why would it be a monopoloy? It'd just be another competitor. We're already seeing providers like AT&T dropping prices and increasing service in regions where Google Fiber is competing.

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    15. Re:Google Fiber by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      So...don't leave Comcast or AT&T for a competitor, because that competitor might quit and might sell their infrastructure to Comcast or AT&T. Despite the fact that Comcast/AT&T already have their own infrastructure - after all, Google was a competitor.

      Methinks you need to do your last sentence a little more.

    16. Re:Google Fiber by beastofburdon · · Score: 2

      The problem is that nobody else runs.

  2. Haggling for Rates by DrLang21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For a service that I used only a handful of times a week, the straw the brolemthe camel's back for me was the automatic rate increase every year until you call to complain. That's just abusive and degrading. I don't want to haggle for my service. Offer me a price that is fair to both of us and make it the same for all customers with the same service. Allowing me to haggle just means you don't value my time.

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    1. Re:Haggling for Rates by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      I'd take that deal as long as their was a competing service. The minute their service tanked, I would sign with the competition, document their non performance and terminate the contract with cause.

    2. Re:Haggling for Rates by JenovaSynthesis · · Score: 2

      And if you listen to every Libertarian, they will tell you that the free market will fix this. When this is actual a proof that the free market doesn't exist and never will.

      Exactly. The US has a sick and twisted version of capitalism that is poison. It uses laws and government regulations to pick and choose which industries/businesses get favored as opposed to the market. Usually based on how much they donate bribe a congressman/senator or two. It's because if we lived in a truly free market the market may not choose their product.

      That's why the food industry resists GMO labeling and fought things like labeling TransFat and the new Added Sugar.

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    3. Re:Haggling for Rates by Coren22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's why the food industry resists GMO labeling

      Perhaps that is because all of the GMO labeling is an attempt at scare tactics as there is no scientific evidence of harm. When you can produce any kind of indication of a possible harm from GMO, rather than the equivalent of anti-vax arguments, perhaps there will be a reason to have markings on packaging. Until then, you are just trying to put scare quotes on food packaging for no reason at all.

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    4. Re: Haggling for Rates by ZeroWaiteState · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Doesnt matter. If the customer wants to know that information, then concealing the fact that it is GMO is deception. If the customers don't get the info from labeling, then they will get it from places the vendors can't control, and will no longer trust labeling. Let's say they lose market share and remove GMO to regain it. How to share that with customers, if they no longer trust product info? Word of mouth reputation takes much longer to fix when you sabotage communication.

  3. Comcast Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just moved to a new city. In my old city, I had Charter. I was paying ~$60/month for 30 meg service but my speed tests would show I could sometimes get 50 meg service. Unfortunately it one occasions, it would drop to 0.01 meg service.

    In my new city, I have to use Comcast. Where there closest to the same price as my old service is only 6megs. Speed tests show the actual is 7 megs and pretty consistent. I get the Xfinity cable modem to find to my dismay that it's got a useless router build in. Ok I go into the setup to see if I can turn off the wifi etc... Nope there is no way to turn of all the useless router. So I bought my own modem so I can set it up the way I want and not need to pay their rental fee. Install it once they provisioned it works fine. So I return the modem to Comcast and they give me a receipt. Next month, there is still a charge for modem rental fee on my bill. Call them to have it removed. They can find no record of me returning the equipment. So now I need to fax the receipt to them because they have never heard of this thing called email.

    1. Re:Comcast Sucks by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

      " So now I need to fax the receipt to them because they have never heard of this thing called email."

      They just know your ISP sucks balls and a technology that has barely changed since the 80s is more faster and more reliable.

    2. Re:Comcast Sucks by rwise2112 · · Score: 2

      So now I need to fax the receipt to them because they have never heard of this thing called email.

      response

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  4. Fast fix by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Informative

    Voter initiatives to install municipal infrastructure (fiber, cable, etc) and outlaw monopoly franchise agreements. This way you don't have to wait for corrupt politicians to do it.

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    1. Re:Fast fix by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Informative

      And you might want to reread his post. Are you aware of the State of Tennessee stopping the rollout of municipal broadband. http://arstechnica.com/tech-po... That's to his point. The people of Chattanooga want it but the state representatives are putting a stop to it because they carry water for the telecoms.

    2. Re:Fast fix by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Maybe the problem here isn't reading but comprehension.

      Voter initative.

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  5. No options. by blueshift_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the biggest issue is that you're locked into a provider by area. What makes people (including myself) angrier than having terrible customer service is having terrible customer service and no real alternatives to choose from. For TV you pretty much have one cable provider, maybe verizon/AT&T as an alternative, and the various satellite providers - which isn't the worst. However for internet, the satellite providers are slow - so only useful if you can't get DSL or cable. So you have one cable provider and maybe one DSL. Both have jacked up prices and terrible service; then you just accept it, pick the cheapest one(which isn't that cheap), and grumble on reviews. Oh and if you live in one of the few places that have google fibre or similar then you naturally take that. What it comes down to is that the monopolized system has hurt the customers (surprise, surprise).

    1. Re:No options. by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      I can't understand how why anyone chooses satellite service for Internet access. If they do they are somewhere so remote that Verizon does not have LTE service, they havent looked in years, or they are stupid.

      Verizon's "Installed LTE" (fixed antenna on the outside of the building) is price and speed competitive with the sat com providers has essentially the same usage caps, without the latency an weather related problems.

      My guess is Verizon and probably AT&T (why the hell does AT&T not have a similar offering currently?) will be better positioned to add capacity and than the SAT providers ever will. Its easier to shrink the size of cell by erecting another tower than to put up another bird. So the 15/20/30/60GB caps will lift on that side first.

      If those caps get large enough that people can reasonably afford to do streaming media, and more Internet based offerings in addition to Netflix show up, my guess would be Direct TV and DIsh's days will be numbered.

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    2. Re:No options. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suspect that it used to be good for the internet that it wasn't considered a utility, given the risk of being misunderstood and folded into some aspect of Ma Bell's 'regulated monopoly' as the non-line-switched stepchild; but now that the incumbents have caught on, and realized that the internet is both a serious threat to cable TV and wireline phone; and that there is lots of money to be made by using your man-in-the-middle position to extract rents from activity on the internet; that time has probably passed.

      I don't need a municipal ISP; but I'd be delighted to have my municipality run fiber to a peering point with the same competence that they've shown with handling my utility hookups. Once you get the last mile out of the way, competition becomes something more than a quaint theory again, so you can let the market take it from there; but as long as the last mile is, at best, a duopoly, and in the hands of incumbents who don't really have incentives aligned with the good of the internet; we have a problem.

    3. Re:No options. by Enry · · Score: 2

      I don't think it was their intent - it's just how things progressed.

      In return for getting a monopoly in a town, the cable company set up local access channels, gave free cable TV to schools and town offices, likely gave free Internet to all those areas too. The money to pay those things needs to come from somewhere - either you pay more taxes or you pay more on the cable bill. We're now at the point where all these things have been established for years and the cable companies have contracts with towns granting them monopoly status for the length of the contract. My town now has competition since I can choose between Comcast and FIOS but you can't realistically have a brand new cable company come in and offer service - there's limited amount of space on telephone poles. Maybe we move to a model where Comcast offers the physical layer as some sort of Ethernet-like protocol and customers get to choose their Internet/Cable/phone from one of multiple providers.

    4. Re:No options. by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the right way to look at it: we don't need "ISP as utility", we need "last mile as utility".

      A local utility that just maintained the pipe to my house would be a great idea, and let any ISP who wanted compete for my business from there. There are a few places in the US where some quirk still makes independent ISPs possible, and those guys are great. Anything that gets us back to the possibility of independent ISPs in addition to competition between the big guys will fix the remaining issues.

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  6. REVENGE! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Funny

    suck it cable companies, we dont need you anymore, we just need internet access and-DAMMIT. well played cable companies, well played.

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  7. That's the easy question by Minwee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The more interesting question is "Why do American cable companies loathe Americans?"

    1. Re:That's the easy question by garcia · · Score: 2

      No, it's why do local government's loathe their citizens? After all, they're the ones who are, almost always, signing exclusive contracts with these companies to provide a local monopoly of services while forcing unnecessary additional costs (local government access via cable TV) and franchise fees to fund them.

  8. source of frustration traceable to... by hAckz0r · · Score: 5, Informative

    The major source of frustration is tied to the lack of compatition. Most areas I know have little option to leave their cable contract because the industry has made sure there are no competing services that would spur their customer service into actually playing nice to retain their customers. They know that they don't need to care because all other options have reduced quality. I for one have no options other than pulling the plug to go with multiple antennas for terestrial broadcasts from 40 miles away, or satellite. No real internet options. The 'last mile' predicament leaves me wondering how much Comcast actually pays to keep the compatition out of my community. Any mergers will only make their position stronger so they can afford to raise prices even more as they reduce what channels I get on my plan. I currentlt have less than half tha channels that I had with Adelphia before that merger, and what I have left is mostly junk other than PBS where there is actually more selection through terestrial.

  9. Re:Why Americans Loathe Cable Companies? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

    So, what actions are you taking to circumvent the monopolies?

    Oh right, bitching and moaning as an Anonymous Coward.

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  10. TV should be free. by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the many places thanks to the move to digital you can get all the networks for free but many people don't bother which I think is dumb. In many other locations the cable companies have changed the way TV stations work. I can get about 12 channels on my TV with a simple antenna. Only two are networks! The cost of entry is low but the major networks do not want to be in this OTA market because the cable companies have to pay to carry them now.
    I think that the law should change so that cable companies only have to pay for the broadcast channels that customers can get with an antenna. TV used to be free and we need to go back to that. It is insane to pay for a TV with ads!

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    1. Re:TV should be free. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      Free as in you do not pay for it. Kind of like those free newspapers full of ads.

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  11. Cable did it to themselves by swb · · Score: 3

    Cable did it to themselves.

    They figured out they could jack up prices with impunity. Then their content providers figured out all the cash they were bringing in, and jacked up their money (and carriage) demands, too. Cable largely didn't care because they knew they could just pass on these costs to their customers.

    Now that they've bled the pig, it's squealing and getting its feed elsewhere.

  12. Re: It won't happen by danbert8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Except that the city having Google Fiber isn't every house having access. Google announced that Google Fiber was coming to certain neighborhoods in Atlanta. Guess what, AT&T and Comcast both announced new faster speeds for less money! But only in the same neighborhoods that are getting access to Google Fiber. It's obvious they have the capability and would still make money, but have no incentive to unless someone comes into the market offering something better. And if they do up their speeds and lower their prices, they sure as hell aren't going to offer it to the poor bastards that don't have a choice.

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  13. Pragmatic Libertarian here... by zerofoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I prefer free-markets where I can get them, but the last mile is anything but a free-market.

    It's time to declare the last mile a public utility - just like roads, sewer, and power. Build and maintain fiber networks just like we build and maintain roads, sewers and the power grid.

    Any number of companies could compete to offer data, voice, and video over that publicly maintained infrastructure.

    This way maximizes competition where possible and minimizes monopolistic control over things that are "natural" monopolies.

  14. Start pushing for community Fiber in your area by DarkKaplah · · Score: 5, Informative

    As someone who has a choice of one cable provider (Brighthouse) or one telecom company (AT&T) I've been following fiber deployments fairly closely. There are a few companies deploying Google Fiber style networks in my state but they are moving slowly and not hitting my area any time soon. As such I contacted Google to ask if there was anything on the net to help interested communities build out their own networks. Within a few hours they got back to me with this: http://www.ftthcouncil.org/ While Cable and Telecom companies continually try to stamp out such efforts there are a number that have gone through. If we can get more communities on this bandwagon it would help make them harder to stop. Head to the page, share the information, and start evangelizing in your area.

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  15. Reliability by allquixotic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I have many issues with ISPs that have been covered fairly well by other responses here, one issue that few have talked about is reliability of the service, and the ability to get it fixed when it breaks.

    At least around here, it seems almost 1 out of every 2 people has some significant reliability problems with their Internet connectivity, and isn't sure how to fix them. When they call the ISP (whether it's cable, DSL, fiber, LTE, ..) the first thing they ask them is to reboot their modem and/or router and/or computer. When that doesn't fix it, the tech doesn't know what else to do. They often send out a guy to take a look, who'll say that your cable modem is shot, and have you get a replacement. If it's under warranty or owned by the cable company, sometimes that might be free; if you own the equipment and it's out of warranty, you have to put up for a new one.

    But 8 times out of 10, replacing your modem / routers does not fix the problem. Nor does going from WiFi to ethernet -- another common "fix". Sure, WiFi has problems, but if your issue is actually with some part of the cable, especially if it's a part that's buried underground, it can be nearly impossible to convince the company that the problem is there, and moreover, to get them to dig it up and replace it.

    I'm on a grandfathered unlimited LTE data plan as my primary Internet connection, now. Cellular towers are pretty reliable due to their centralized infrastructure and the number of users it would affect if they were having a problem. I've had a few persistent issues with my LTE connection that lasted for weeks, but each time, it magically went away after very little effort on my part, likely after they received hundreds of calls from other customers about the same problem, and had to send someone up the tower to fix it.

    Those with landlines to the premises are in a much more difficult situation. The company is likely to pin the problem on hardware that is owned by you, or wiring that is installed within the walls of your house. They will not be willing to admit that the problem may lie with the line buried underground. Acknowledging that problem would effectively cause them to have to outlay a significant cost to a contractor to dig up and replace the cable, so instead, they treat each individual support call as a new incident, and forget all the history of your problem where you've diligently worked by process of elimination to determine that it must be something in the line.

    I remember years ago when we used deduction to determine that our DSL problem must lie with the phone line beyond the premises of our house. We replaced all our devices, hooked up to ethernet instead of WiFi, and even completely replaced all the DSL filters and phone line wiring in our house. The problem persisted. But the tech support guys kept experiencing a case of amnesia; every time we called, despite trying to ask them to refer to previous tickets and things we'd already tried, they just wanted us to reboot our modem, over and over and over and over again, as if that would help. This would happen even if we got the same tech support person on multiple calls.

    At work, a lot of people come to me for advice on problems they're having with tech at home. I don't know why they do it; they just do. I get my fair share of laptop problems; Windows won't boot; they have a virus; whatever. But the #1 most frequent problem I get is that their Internet is unreliable and drops out all the time. Occasionally I'll find that replacing their cable modem fixes the problem, but in many more cases, we narrow it down to the landline, or at least to an ONT or something exterior to their dwelling that isn't owned by the resident -- at which point, you're basically at a dead-end.

    The willingness to address problems, and to refer to case history to eliminate potential sources of problems, is seemingly absent from nearly all ISP support employees. And you wonder why their ACSI score is low...