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Linux World Domination Creates Shortage of Linux-Skilled Workers

Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin doesn't use the phrase 'world domination' in these videos, but he could. He lists enough computing niches where GNU/Linux is the major player -- from supercomputers to the next generation of automotive systems -- that with or without world domination, Linux has obviously become an extremely important, widely used operating system that has grown amazingly since Linus Torvalds first shared his humble kernel with the world in 1991. With great popularity has come a great need for people who know how to administer and otherwise work with Linux, so the Linux Foundation is developing new courses in tandem with massive open online course (MOOC) provider edX. Unlike some of the Linux Foundation's previous course offerings, their edX ones are free to audit, and the cost for certification (if you want a cred, not just knowledge) is lower than many IT certification tests and certificates.

These videos (both visible today) were made remotely, with Timothy Lord at one end in Austin, TX, and Jim Zemlin at the other end in Tokyo, Japan. Their sound quality suffers from the distance involved, but they are generally intelligible -- and, of course, you can always choose to read the transcript instead of watching the videos.

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  1. Well, that sounds good... by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    ...but I'm not an H1N contractor, so I don't see how a plethora of new Linux jobs helps me.

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    1. Re:Well, that sounds good... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Which would explain the bird flu epidemic in the Midwest. I thought H1B contractors in Silicon Valley were bad.

      http://fusion.net/story/144406/your-eggs-are-so-expensive-because-bird-flu-just-wiped-out-45-million-chickens-and-turkeys/

    2. Re:Well, that sounds good... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Ah. Right. I was going to claim it was a typo, (B is right next to N after all) but now I think I'll just leave it as is.

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    3. Re:Well, that sounds good... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I think the standard answer is that salary deflation since the dot com bust continues, with foreign contractors helping to keep it depressed.

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    4. Re:Well, that sounds good... by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 1

      Less Windows machines means less carriers.

  2. 1.April? by I4ko · · Score: 2

    For s second, actually make it third time today /. front page feels like it is April fools day. May be it is time to lay /. to rest and go to soylentnews?!

    1. Re:1.April? by TWX · · Score: 1

      I've been trying. Reading Soylent a little more each day. It's just so much easier to bait people into moderating me up on Slashdot that I haven't been able to completely let go.

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  3. Impossible! by kamapuaa · · Score: 2

    According to Slashdot, there's no worker shortage at all, & the H1-B program should be cancelled! Who should I believe, the Linux Foundation Executive Director, or various nerds who live in their mother's basement?

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    1. Re:Impossible! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And you think these people grow on trees in India?

      I doubt anyone here is battling the H1-B program for skilled workers who are unavailable here. Like, say, what the H1-B actually should be for. What people complain about is people being fired to be replaced with cheaper foreign workers. Because that's a blatant disregard of what H1-B is about.

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    2. Re:Impossible! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Because that's a blatant disregard of what H1-B is about.

      And also, unfortunately, what it has largely become used for.

      I consider companies which do that to be traitors to the USA. Because treason is betraying the people and principles of your country... it has nothing to do with what government thinks or does.

  4. Two is better than one by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    Slashdot, now with double the videos!

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    1. Re:Two is better than one by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      What's more, though the quality suffers the videos are even generally intelligible!

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    2. Re:Two is better than one by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      *sigh*

      Slashdot introduced one video, people complained. Now Slashdot said fine, ok, we got it, they give you two videos. And people complain. There is no satisfying you, is there?

      But ok, fine, next post will have three videos. But I'm sure you'll find something to complain about this as well.

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    3. Re:Two is better than one by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "But ok, fine, next post will have three videos. But I'm sure you'll find something to complain about this as well."

      Just give us a way to filter this crap out, like we do with the videobits and we're OK.

    4. Re:Two is better than one by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      What's more, though the quality suffers the videos are even generally intelligible!

      But I never reached the rank of General. Heck I was an enlisted man.

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  5. Well then by tom229 · · Score: 1

    I just found my next certification for my employer to pay for.

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  6. Re:Linux World Domination??? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    (as I look around at the awesome Linux systems surrounding me, all using systemd)

    It has been confirmed. I4ko is a moron. No Netcraft confirmation required.

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  7. World Dominance by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    And Alfa Romeo's dominance of the car market is why it's so hard to find a certified Alfa Romeo mechanic, or Alfa Romeo parts for that matter...

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    1. Re:World Dominance by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Proper car analogy. If you train every one in school to only work on Fords, don't be surprised when there is an absence of GM mechanics and Ford claims GM mechanics are too expensive because they need 'additional' training and they charge more and thus the total cost of ownership of GM is higher. After all, isn't that the whole idea.

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  8. What? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Their sound quality suffers from the distance involved...

    This is digital audio transmitted via the Internet. How is distance affecting the quality of the sound?

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      dropped audio packets...

    2. Re:What? by Teun · · Score: 1

      An interesting question, it's not likely by the number of kilometres of cable but possibly more by the number of switches.

      A recent observation, Skype calls over 10 time zones and via a VPN to home were (a lot) better than without the VPN.
      And yet that VPN connection must have been going over similar cables and interchanges.

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    3. Re:What? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      No, just crappy routing. I was doing a jitter test at work from our 10Gb dedicated line to Charter Communications. Picked a few datacenters around Asia. I was getting around 300ms latency 15 hops, and about 80ms of jitter. Same datacenters from home with my $90 100/100 dedicated line which goes over Level 3, 180ms, 6 hops, and 1ms of jitter.

      Most big residential ISPs try to do their own routing and peering and do a crappy job at it.

    4. Re:What? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It's like a milder form of what you get from dropped audio in digital over-the-air TV. Thanks for identifying the problem.

  9. Horrible sound... by aralin · · Score: 1

    How can you post a video with such a horrible sound. Wouldn't it be possible to agree with the interviewee to use a decent microphone?

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    1. Re:Horrible sound... by Whiteox · · Score: 2

      Ummm... They were using Linux machines so it's probably a driver issue.

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    2. Re:Horrible sound... by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Nice troll

    3. Re:Horrible sound... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      I use a Linux VM for editing audio and prepping it for distribution or use by students. It doesn't take much, bu I'm rarely required to provide much more than 128K MP3s, which are to me much like fingernails on chalkboards. My own libraries are 320k, and I'm resampling my CDs to Ogg Vorbis and WAV/WMV to let me do better. My Google libraries are, of course, 128K. I also think ATRAC is unfairly maligned, but don't fight that fight much.

      I'm not a professional, but I know a few who use Linux as an environment for specialized audio work, usually finalizing masters for distribution or CDs, the few who bother to burn those now. For general audio, low latency drivers are had to maintain, but ask anyone who's used Windows and they may have stories of good workstations gone bad, requiring a reformat/reimage. Windows happens. Few admit that their OS X stations sometimes go all to hell, but while rarer, it happens. Mostly OS X upgrades cause audio workstations to go all to crap.

      Painting Linux with such a broad brush is often unwarranted, but in audio it's somewhat more defensible. But not like you seem to think.

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  10. Re:Or they could hire people with Unix experience by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    Will this skilled worker shortage ever end?

    When I went back to school to learn computer programming after the dot com bust in 2001, the expectation for the coming decades was an acute shortage of skilled I.T. workers in the United States. Mostly because the baby boomers are retiring and the South Asian countries would keep their workers at home to drive their own economy.

    The Great Recession messed that up. The baby boomers can't retire, so I'm fighting off all these old geezers for tech jobs over the last six years. The South Asian economies are stalling out and still sending workers over here.

    I switched over to computer security since that field requires 10+ years in general I.T. experience, leaving help desk and desktop jobs to everyone else. As a 45YO male, I'm one of the youngest on the security team. I only got another 30 years before I can retire. Whoo-hoo!

  11. No, well maybe by Enry · · Score: 1

    In one sense I disagree of the need for solid Linux skills. The rise of short term systems (in general, DevOps) means that you don't need to be concerned with the inner workings of the system and you just use something like chef to configure the system on an as-needed basis. You won't care how long the system is stable because it'll only be around for a few hours. After that it's destroyed only to be recreated later on. You can build entire systems without even enabling SSH and having interactive access.

    On the other hand, there is still a need for qualified people since not everyone has bought into DevOps. They want systems that exist for years with little to no unexpected downtime. I see this as a bit of a pendulum swinging back at some point. Not sure when.

    1. Re:No, well maybe by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Sadly, as someone who has been using Linux about as long as I have been visiting /., I am switching our servers to windows for this very reason. I cannot find consultants that can support our systems for a reasonable cost, and I don't have the time to do it myself. It is really going to kill me when I have to dump asterisk for the same reason and go with some hosted cloud BS that costs 3x per line.

    2. Re:No, well maybe by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      No, I am switching to windows so I can actually find a person that will charge me $125-135/hour. I will admit though, the preferred consultant's hourly rate is $85/hour. He does "know Linux," but he thinks we are best served with windows..

  12. And in other news... by BringMyShuttle · · Score: 1

    ... cheerleaders abandoning jocks for nerds, supermodels marrying geeks in increasing numbers, and my alarm goes off in half an hour.

  13. Re:Linux World Domination??? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't systemd eliminate the need for workers to have any skills in Linux?

  14. Sorry, but for IOT I have to disagree with this. by hwstar · · Score: 1

    First off, I'd like to say that I use Linux at home instead of windows, and am actively developing open source IOT devices using the ESP8266 platform and the MQTT protocol on Github.

    If there is going to be more demand for linux adminstrators, than what's available in the medium to far term, then someone will solve that problem with more code
    which automates the administaration of the linux systems. Additionally, if IOT devices require system administrators to configure, they'll never take off! Home users require systems which don't need administration.

    For IOT to take off, the devices need to self-configure, and and also self-administer.

  15. Hilarious by radtea · · Score: 1

    There is no shortage of Linux devs. If there were, two things would be true:

    1) salaries for Linux developers would be going up

    2) people with two decades of Linux development experience would have no trouble getting a job

    Neither of these is true. Ergo, there is no shortage of good developers with Linux experience.

    Pretty much every Linux job I've seen posted in the past few months requires (that is, not "nice to have" but "requires") a dozen other skills that make up a combined skill set that only one in a million people have. Got Linux experience plus sockets plus Python plus git (this is a clue to what's going on...) OK, you also need experience with OpenGL and have three years CG coding on major animation projects.

    People aren't looking for workers, they're looking for replaceable parts. The "git" thing gives it away: rather than burn, I don't know, an hour or two teaching someone the basics of git, or asking them to read a book on it, they won't consider anyone who can't simply sit down and start working.

    The specific-industry-experience requirements are likewise a give-away: it isn't enough to have 3D experience, it's gotta be in animation, or they won't touch you, because those skills, man, they aren't transferable in any way.

    Bytes used in animation are totally different than bytes used in medical imaging, and your understanding of one kind of processing pipeline precludes you from learning any other. You'd have to unlearn all that other stuff to make room for the new, and it would be at least a couple of days before you're a 110% productive member of the team! We can't have that!

    [This is a synthetic example of things I've seen over the years, but it's all too prevalent an attitude and seems to be getting worse, and all the while the whining about "no devs available" gets louder.]

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    1. Re:Hilarious by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      If they were really that concerned with getting things done, they'd pare down these "laundry" lists to the skills that are both essential and cannot be acquired in a short period of time. And would take time to recognize equivalences (for example, someone who's done MySQL for 5 years might not have such a learning curve for Oracle and vice versa).

      Too many businesses are so obsessed with getting someone who can "hit the ground running" that the only "qualified" candidates are either lying about it or statistical outliers.

      The worst of it is that many times the business actually has a certain amount of "blue sky" in the project where some of these "must have" skills end up never being used, and instead staff ends up having to learn some other skill instead.

  16. Re:Linux doesn't get you far by Acid-Duck · · Score: 1

    "Just one piece". You mean the brains of any operating systems, the kernel?

  17. Minimal skills indeed by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    I retain just enough to advise my customers using our APIs on how to log the data, fix some permissions, and point out the error is their hosed-up SSL install, and to go to StackOverflow and try not to be too annoying lest they be ridiculed and get no real help at all. No, I do not install packages for my customers, I do not wish to be their OS support.

    Some beg me to fix their code. Ha. But I do point out when they are misspelled some directive or other, despite having good working sample code available to them. Credit card processing seeks a black art to them.

    My own purposes have become minimal, but I am working on understanding some ISP control panels and VM architecture so I can manage things when the situation is desperate. I don't feel the need to run Linux for my desktop.

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  18. Re:There is no shortage by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

    Funny, they have no problem with remote workers when the remote workers are located in Mumbai.