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Placenta Eating Offers No Benefit To Mom

Dave Knott writes: While some celebrity moms swear by it and have made it trendy, a new study says that consuming the placenta after birth offers women and their babies no benefit. In fact, the practice — known as placentophagy — may even pose unknown risks to mothers and infants, according to a team from Northwestern University in Chicago, who pored over the accumulated research on the issue. They found no data to support that eating the placenta — either raw, cooked or in pill form — protects against postpartum depression, reduces pain after childbirth, increases a woman's energy, helps with lactation, improves mother-child bonding, replenishes iron in the body, or improves skin elasticity. The researchers also said that there are no studies examining the risks associated with eating the placenta, which acts as a filter to absorb and protect fetuses from toxins and pollutants.

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  1. Disgusting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Not because animals does it that it means it's good.

    1. Re:Disgusting... by guises · · Score: 1

      Is that seriously the logic here? "I saw some random animal doing it, so I'm going to do it too." Cats eat vomit. Rabbits eat shit. (Technically slightly different from their regular shit. Not enough to matter to these unnamed celebrities I'd wager.)

      ::Sigh:: Fine, whatever. It's probably healthier than most diet fads.

    2. Re:Disgusting... by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Animals do it because, as long as they can digest it, it's a significant source of nutrition right after massive energy and biomass expenditure.

      Humans do not suffer from lack of other sources for replenishment as animals do. There's no need to go hunting for prey to get food after birth.

    3. Re:Disgusting... by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      I don't know about vomit but eating some kinds of shit seems promising.

    4. Re:Disgusting... by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 1

      I think he was roughly trying to say "just because animals do it doesn't mean it's good," in which case it sounds like you are in agreement.

    5. Re:Disgusting... by binarstu · · Score: 2

      Cats eat vomit. Rabbits eat shit.

      And humans pay big money to eat cat shit.

      (No, civets are not true felines, but they are in the same superfamily, which is probably close enough for the purposes of this discussion.)

    6. Re:Disgusting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It also keeps the birth den cleaner and safer from predators.

    7. Re: Disgusting... by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      Celeb town? We talk about some stupid and hungry celebs.

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    8. Re:Disgusting... by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Well it might save a trip to the supermarket at least.

    9. Re:Disgusting... by fruviad · · Score: 1

      Cats do not eat vomit. Dogs do, but not cats. Cats merely produce large quantities of it (helpfully heading for the nearest rug whenever the mood is upon them.)

    10. Re:Disgusting... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      This is actually a thing, in case you didn't know. It's just that the stars are having the poop "transplanted" by enema, rather than by eating it:
      http://thefecaltransplantfound...

    11. Re:Disgusting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's completely different from eating shit. Transplanting someone else's gut bacteria into your's is a medical procedure that can help or cure many things. Now if those stars are doing it for those reason or not, who knows.

      Many animals eat shit because they can smell some undigested food in it and their immune systems can handle it. Human immune systems don't handle it as well nor and we have access to plenty of non-shitty food.

    12. Re:Disgusting... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      It's not really "cat shit." They're "cat like" but are not in the felidae order but are in the feliformia which includes felidae (cats) and hyena and mongoose. Wikipedia states that they are in the order viverridae (a suborder of felifornia, cousins of felidae but are not felidae, which are all obligate carnivores).

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    13. Re:Disgusting... by kimvette · · Score: 2

      > Animals do it because, as long as they can digest it, it's a significant source of nutrition right after massive energy and biomass expenditure.

      Even many animals which cannot digest it (herbivores) consume it. It's not to get nutrition but to reduce odors which attract predators. It's their way of picking it up so they can carry and defaecate it away from where their offspring are.

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    14. Re:Disgusting... by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      This "Yellow Tea" has been done in China since about the 4th century. It's used by people who aren't stars and have tried powerful antibiotics...

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    15. Re: Disgusting... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I heard of an actress who ate dirt. She explained that she heard about this from a taxi driver. It takes a special kind of stupid to be a celebrity, because they're unable to find jobs doing anything else.

    16. Re:Disgusting... by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Humans do not need to eat placenta, because there is a supply of Jello at the Hospitals, I recommend the Lime-green to avoid whatever is in that Red die these days.

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  2. obPennyArcade by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oddly, Penny Arcade has this covered.

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  3. Why half measures? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eat the baby too, and get *all* your nutrients back.

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    1. Re:Why half measures? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Nope. A lot of them are still expended on actions that don't go into the baby itself. You'll certainly get some of them back, which is why some species do in fact engage in eating some of their offspring, typically ones they identify as too weak to survive.

    2. Re:Why half measures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about farming placentas? Surely with proper animal husbandry the quality of the placentas produced would improve! The number of placentas produced per unit of livestock could be increased per year as well with the right kind of strategy.

    3. Re:Why half measures? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      I'd say any offspring eaten by its parent was, by definition, too weak to survive ;)

    4. Re:Why half measures? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      By that definition, any offspring is weak to survive in most species, as they have no means to avoid such a fate at birth.

  4. Actually it has some medical effects. by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Actually it has some medical effects.

    The question is whether the hormonal level modifications are beneficial or not. Obviously, *cooking* the placenta would denature the proteins involved, so the way it's typically practiced among modern humans (which involves cooking) is clearly not beneficial, other than as a source of nutrients and heavy metals.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

    1. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that rats have a different fertility cycle from humans. Which makes direct hormonal comparisons pointless.

      They are also known to eat their own feces for nutrition. Which makes their gastrointestinal tract quite different.

      Concluding presence of direct "medical effects" from these two key differences between species based on a rat study and ignoring the human study is frankly idiotic.

    2. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Oestrogen injections or bovine or human placenta in the diet had no effect." -- In addition to what the other commenter posted this tidbit I quoted here is quite important: humans are eating human placenta, not rat placenta, so the whole comparison is null and void from the get-go. You simply cannot deducate that "hey, rats eating rat placenta cause hormonal levels to change, therefore humans eating human placenta must do the same!"

    3. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Not really, because hormones are cross-species, and do much the same jobs in every organism that has 'em. We use hormones from various livestock to treat human hormone deficiency; we can be affected by plant estrogens as if they were animal estrogens. Studying hormone interactions in rats creates a good starting point for where we should study human hormone metabolism, but at a vastly accelerated rate (you can examine the hormones during rat births every few weeks; you have to wait 9 months to examine hormones during human births).

      From the NIH article, it sounds like what eating the post-partum placenta mostly does is act as short-term birth control by depressing progesterone production. (I wonder what the effect would be from a pre-birth placenta?) Which might have evolved as a way of preventing next-litter competition from arriving too soon in those animals that cycle again immediately after birth.

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    4. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      You debunk your own argument when you clearly agree with me by stating that it's merely a "good starting point".

      As human study has shown, such effect is not present in humans. A good starting point that results in a study that shows that connection does not exist in another species with different reproduction cycle.

    5. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Actually, all it showed was that the effect wasn't present at the dosage used. The rats are eating the entire placenta. If a human consumed an entire placenta, the dosage would be different, and you might see a quite different physiological response. Underdosing a hormone can actually have a paradoxical effect (low dose can be just enough to make the body think it doesn't need to manufacture any of its own, so the serum level of that hormone can actually go *down*).

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    6. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      So you are once again ignoring the facts that we have different:

      1. Gastrointestinal act.
      2. Reproduction cycle.

      Blind assumption of same effect regardless of the fact that placenta would enter a different gastrointestinal tract in different species that have a different reproduction cycle and then have the exact same impact is idiotic, especially in the face of different study on that very species suggesting no such effect exists.

    7. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Not blind assumption; understanding of biochemistry and hormone systems. Hormones have broadly the same effects across species, and dosage matters.

      What would be a lot more informative is an analysis of what hormones are found in a human placenta, and in what quantity and concentration. But "We tried a microdose and nothing happened" isn't exactly definitive.

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    8. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Hormones have similar effects provided you test them on similar systems.

      Systems involved in this case (reproductive system, digestive system) are wildly different.

    9. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Since the study compared eating placentas to eating placentas, what does that have to do with anything? What was goofy was the relative dosage per body weight.

      Just because you swallow the hormone doesn't mean it necessarily acts on the wrong organ system. It will still behave the same in the body, since it can't do otherwise (it can only mate up with its own receptors). Otherwise we wouldn't have oral hormone replacement therapy (or oral contraceptives, for that matter), which is commonly used for estrogen, progesterone, and thyroid.

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    10. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Let's get to the basics then, and see where it is that we differ:

      1. Do you understand that "eating placenta" means it entering a digestive tract and being digested by it?

      y/n?

      2. Do you understand that said tracts are wildly different?

      y/n?

      3. Do you understand that as such, they are not directly comparable to one another in absorption rates of various nutrients?

      y/n?

      4. Do you understand that while hormones are largely shared among most mammals, their effects vary wildly depending on how specific systems in each mammals function?

      y/n?

      5. Do you understand that rats and humans have vastly different reproduction systems and reproduction cycles, making direct comparisons largely pointless?

      y/n?

      6. If you answered all the above correctly, "yes", than why are you still making an argument that requires several of said answers to be "no" to be in any way applicable to this situation?

      If you answered no to some of the questions, please provide concrete evidence as to why you answered "no" to a question where "yes" appears to be an obvious choice.

    11. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      My background is biochemistry/microbiology. I do grok this stuff. I read a lot of material from JCEM and other professional sources. If this isn't relevant, explain why oral hormones work across species. How much is absorbed varies somewhat, but that's a dosage detail (frex, the oral thyroid dose for a dog is 10x that for a human by weight because dogs don't absorb it as efficiently; however once absorbed by either human or dog it still does the same job, and it doesn't matter if it started life in a pig or a rat, and barring deiodinase deficiency, doesn't even matter if it was synthesized in a laboratory, as is most prescribed today).

      Do you know where oral progesterone for human use comes from?? Hint: not from human sources.

      JCEM: Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism

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    12. Re:Actually it has some medical effects. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Hormones work across species in varying ways. We share hormones like we share most biological components of our bodies across mammals simply due to the fact that due to our evolution, we share most of our genetic code. We also share most internal organs and proteins.

      Where we differ is how these organs specifically work, as a part of the relevant processes. Digestive system is a great example here - while we mostly have similar digestive systems, they differ both due to gut flora types and species, and not just across herbivore-omnivore-carnivore axis, such as items being beneficial to one species like homo sapiens being lethally poisonous to others like canis lupus.
      Reproductive system is another, and it's about as complex. It's regulated by massive amounts of SHARED HORMONES, but in some species, they trigger or shut down estrous cycle at certain periods, and in others they manage constant menstrual cycle for example.

      Same hormones. Completely different effect controlled by them.

      That is why microbiology is terrible at explaining process effects, and why we burn billions based on blind assumptions that oversimplify complex processes based on biology version of reductio ad absurdum. And then we get renal and liver failures from end products because whoops, our metabolic process is different and main organs that work in maintaining balance cannot cope.

      Suggesting that just because we can effectively produce most of the hormones in other animals and artificial organs does not imply that these animals use these hormones in their processes in the same way. We merely know that we use the same hormones. That's it. And assuming more is what typically leads to very expensive medical research failures and rare successes when it actually does work as intended.

      I once again ask you to answer the questionnaire I provided earlier so I can understand where it is exactly that we differ.

  5. Animals eat the placenta because ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... they need to conceal their where about, to leave no trace of their young ones from being hunted down

    As for humans ... they are simply stupid

    1. Re:Animals eat the placenta because ... by hey! · · Score: 5, Informative

      ... and wild animals don't waste valuable calories or protein. It's not that the nutrients in the placenta are *especially* good for you, it's just that nutrients period are good for you and hard to come by.

      I once went on a winter hike with a park ranger, and he identified some tracks in the snow as coyote tracks. So I naturally asked how he could tell it was a coyote and not a dog being taken for a walk. The answer was that domestic dogs are so well-fed they waste energy running all over the place; coyotes are always on the edge of starvation so they nearly always travel in a perfectly straight line.

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    2. Re:Animals eat the placenta because ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope. Animals don't need to conceal a damned thing when they give birth in a barn or other safe place. When you see a live birth it's obvious that theory doesn't hold a drop of water - try taking away the placenta(s) from your bitch or cow or WHY and see if the "concealment" shit convinces her. There are obvious reasons why the placenta gets eaten. Any wild mother knows that newborns are exceptionally easy prey and leaving a placenta behind would be evolutionarily more sensible than eating the thing, like laying a false trail or a gecko's removable tail. Apparently the placenta holds valuable calories and vitamins and minerals that outweigh the value of a decoy scent/prey object like a placenta. Humans aren't stupid for eating placenta any more than they're stupid for eating shellfish, Pop Tarts, Pepsi or other gross garbage that passes for food. Give up the biases, recognize we're not all the same, we can get along.

  6. So this is what we have come to... by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    ...after thousands of years of getting out of the trees, getting away from the savanna, getting out of the caves, civlization, tool-making, science and culture ? Disappointing, to say the least.

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  7. Re:Disguting by war4peace · · Score: 1

    We could even infer that this is some sort of cannibalism.

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  8. No Shit Sherlock by DrVxD · · Score: 1

    Really? And this is surprising to who?

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  9. They're doing it wrong by srussia · · Score: 1

    Fava beans and a nice chianti, people!

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  10. Don't slag it off by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Don't slag it off. Think about the husbands. And the joy they feel when the nutcase they fell in love with performs this revolting rite.

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    1. Re:Don't slag it off by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I just think the word 'celebrity' needs to be replaced with the words 'narcissistic egoist', do that and it starts to make a whole lot more sense.

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  11. Don't stick your dick in crazy. by jcr · · Score: 2

    What more is there to say?

    -jcr

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  12. Doula Doula Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was going to point out that pregnant women often have hemorrhoids, and why not make nutritional use of those as well, letting others deal with the ew factor...

    The Article mentions Doulas, a new word to me. To put it kindly, a Doula is a paid Assistant during the Birthing Process, whose main job seems to be to offer emotional support, and recipes. They are not allowed to deal with _any_ medical issues, as they aren't required to have _any_ medical training. (Midwives are quite different. Not my cup of tea, but I see their worth.)
    The word "Doula" goes back to the ancient Greeks, and means "Female Slave". The word has a long history in the Birthing Cultures, going as far back as... 2002. "Doula" has never had any association with Birthing in Greece, Ancient or Modern. So it is made-up.
    Doulas are largely crackpots or frauds. Often both.

    I mentioned Doula "Recipes" above. Only those with cast-iron stomachs should do a Google search on these. My least favorite has to be the "Strawberry Banana Placenta Smoothie".

  13. "may even pose unknown risks" by zephvark · · Score: 2

    Straight-out weasel wording, your sign that there is no information here, let alone "news for nerds". Or did placenta-eating become a nerd thing while I wasn't looking? /hands in nerd card

  14. Too subjective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is far too subjective. If the mother enjoys eating placenta with some fava and a nice chianti, then I argue that she benefitted from having nice meal.

  15. "may even pose unknown risk" by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    "may even pose unknown risk"

    Well that is a throw away statement. You can say that about any thing, any time, any place.

  16. Eating Filters by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    Livers, kidneys. People eat filters all the time.

    1. Re:Eating Filters by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      A: I doubt people eat their own liver or kidney often.
      B: They are really bad for you. You really don't want gout, trust me.

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    2. Re:Eating Filters by Falos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every day you eat slimy, endless snot and there's nothing you can about it.

      That's probably one of the milder items in the "your whiny criteria will qualify you as disgusting" backpack.

    3. Re:Eating Filters by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      We also eat bottom feeders.

    4. Re:Eating Filters by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I'd eat my own liver, if I knew how to make my own chianti.

    5. Re:Eating Filters by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you can become Prometheus but instead eat your own liver.

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  17. Bad Idea by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Yeah, people started doing that back in the way back. Maybe it's time to stop now that we are releasing lots of bioaccumulatives.

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  18. Re:Making up bullshit studies befifits scientis by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    This is why people do not trust scientist. It is because they honestly can go out, look for funding. Receive funding, then take their time and effort to conduct a scientififcally peer reviewed scientific study to determine scientifically that there is absolutely no scientific benfite to the health of the mother of eating her placenta. But scienfically speaking it MAY cause harm.

    "May cause harm" is based on the fact that the placenta is a filter between mother and baby, and acts to remove toxins. And those toxins will be in the placental mass. It isn't a certain thing that it will cause harm. because the toxin load will not be the same between different people.

    But some people need certainty. That's what religion is for. It's wrong, but you'll have those distinct yes/no answers you crave.

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  19. Re:Making up bullshit studies befifits scientis by pbhj · · Score: 1

    May cause harm in a scientific paper should mean they found evidence of harm but not at a sufficient level to say it was certainly from eating placenta. It should mean that they believe that further study will show there is definite harm. Instead it appears that they just made it up - they should then say "we propose a hypothesis for later testing that placentaphagy causes measurable detriments to health".

  20. MMMmmmmm....placenty.... by zawarski · · Score: 1

    Placentas. Is there nothing they can't do?

  21. I hear that flame-broiled placenta ... by davidwr · · Score: 1

    ... is crunchy and goes good with ketchup.

    Oh wait, that me the dragon was talking about right before I managed to get away. Forgive me for mis-remembering, it was a very busy and not-very-pleasant day.

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  22. Duh by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

    How about this benefit: you can say to your child: "If you don't settle down, I will eat you. I have done it before."

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  23. Of course it does - smart Moms know by Sarusa · · Score: 1

    The crushing smugness as you preen around the other plebeian Moms who obviously don't care enough about their children is the benefit.

    (This is a joke, yet not a joke).

  24. Devil's Advocate by briancox2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok, so I just want to clarify here. I have no feeling one way or the other about this activity.

    They are saying that there is no KNOWN benefit to this practice and there COULD BE bad consequences.
    So how is that different than saying that there COULD BE benefits but there are no KNOWN bad consequences?

    Aren't they really just reporting "We don't know one way or the other"? Except, as usual, the reporting has a slant injected into it.

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  25. Re:Making up bullshit studies befifits scientis by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    It should mean that they believe that further study will show there is definite harm.

    Then the headlines would read "Scientists believe that eating afterbirth causes harm. No studies done yet."

    That's no improvement at all

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  26. It's a hipster douche novelty... by Methadras · · Score: 1

    rooted in nonsense. it's new age junk science posing as biological imperative. These people are rancidly stupid with more money than sense.