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TSA Fails To Find Links To Terrorism of Airport Workers

schwit1 writes: An audit of the TSA has found that the agency failed to uncover the terrorist connections of 73 aviation workers when it did background checks of them. According to a report released Monday, the people were employed by major airlines, airport vendors and other employers, and were not identified because the agency lacked access to terrorism-related information from within the government. The agency's "multi-layered process to vet aviation workers for potential links to terrorism was generally effective. In addition to initially vetting every application for new credentials, TSA recurrently vetted aviation workers with access to secured areas of commercial airports every time the Consolidated Terrorist Watchlist was updated," the report found. "However, our testing showed that TSA did not identify 73 individuals with terrorism-related category codes because TSA is not authorized to receive all terrorism-related information under current interagency watchlisting policy." This report comes on the heels of an internal TSA investigation that found 95% of agents testing airport checkpoints were able to bring weapons through.

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  1. Real banner week for the TSA... by erp_consultant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First there was the disastrous results of the audit (95% failure rate). Top dog resigns. Now we find out that the TSA does not even have the proper inter-departmental authority. If this wasn't a serious matter it would absolutely hilarious.

    Cue the Benny Hill theme in 4...3...2...1

    1. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is there anything the TSA does right? Aside from being a federal jobs program for tens of thousands of people?

      If conservatives are so in favor of small government and so against welfare, maybe they ought to take a good hard look at the TSA. I'd vote for a presidential candidate who pledged to eliminate this useless boondoggle agency.

    2. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not like the private companies that they replaced were any better. A buddy of mine is the Operations Manager for our little regional airport; in the pre 9/11 days he watched the private outfit miss firearms as they scrolled past on the x-ray machine. In the post 9/11 days it's still a joke; he can get me into the secured area with a simple, "He's with me." statement to the TSA flunkies. Not even a metal detector. That's the gaping hole in airport security, incidentally, insiders. Just buy one off or blackmail them and you're set to do whatever nefarious deed you have in mind. Once you're through the secured area at one airport you're into all of them.

      The bigger problem is that our body politic is incapable of having an adult conversation about risk. We live in a society that won't let kids use playgrounds where they might scrape a knee. Good luck having a conversation about the proper balance between security and liberty in that environment.

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    3. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It isn't a serious matter. TSA has never been meant to be anything but Kubuki Security Theater.

    4. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by erp_consultant · · Score: 2

      "It's not like the private companies that they replaced were any better" - Agreed - BUT, remember what a big deal was made by the government about how much better they could do than the private companies? Plus, the private companies were paid by the airlines (who admittedly turned around and passed the cost to the traveler). Now, every taxpayer is paying for this fiasco, whether they fly or not. At, I'm certain, many times the cost of the private companies. And every airline ticket has a TSA surcharge to boot.

      If the private company screws up we can replace them. What are we to do with these clowns in the TSA? Does anyone really think that the agency will go away? Like ever?

      "Good luck having a conversation about the proper balance between security and liberty in that environment." - Good point. I would be happy to give up some liberty if there was some assurance that what the TSA is doing is actually yielding positive results. Instead of one embarrassing screw up after another. Just like the VA. And the IRS. The list goes on.

    5. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spot on. The TSA is utterly useless. A complete waste of taxpayer money. Worse than that, it gives Americans a false sense of security where none exists. Let's see if any of the Republican candidates have the guts to sack the entire thing. Rand Paul or Ted Cruz are the only two that come to mind.

    6. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The bigger problem is that our body politic is incapable of having an adult conversation about risk. We live in a society that won't let kids use playgrounds where they might scrape a knee.

      Yet thinks its perfectly appropriate for people to walk around with loaded firearms.

      You're right that the USA's idea of risk is seriously screwed up. I suspect the ensuing justifications from various gun nuts will only highlight the fact that your society is incapable of having an adult conversation about the subject.

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    7. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Spot on. The TSA is utterly useless. A complete waste of taxpayer money. Worse than that, it gives Americans a false sense of security where none exists.

      People keep forgetting that the TSA is NOT about security, never has been. It is all about training citizens to mindlessly obey a pompous asshole with a semi-official-looking uniform or be punished (being back-roomed to miss your flight).

    8. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      If they start actually paying more than lip service to 'small government' they might actually lure me back to them.

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    9. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not like the private companies that they replaced were any better.

      In the pre-9/11 days, I never had my scrotum stroked.

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    10. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      In the pre-9/11 days, I never had my scrotum stroked.

      Look on the bright side, you don't have to give a reach around.

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    11. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They (the federal government in general) were too busy watching the public to vet their own employees.

    12. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BUT, remember what a big deal was made by the government about how much better they could do than the private companies?

      That's not what I remember. What I remember is the media making a big deal of how the airport rent-a-cops could never be expected to be anything more than glorified mall cops, with no authority and no job security. Summer jobs for 17 year old kids. I remember the media clamoring for "real cops," sworn officers, paid well enough not to be easily bribed, held to the modest standard of passing a civil service exam, and held to the uniform standards at all airports, so there wouldn't be obvious holes like Logan.

      I don't remember anyone in government trying to push federalization down our throats. I remember scared citizens running to the government begging for more, better police, because the government knows how to police.

    13. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right that the USA's idea of risk is seriously screwed up. I suspect the ensuing justifications from various gun nuts will only highlight the fact that your society is incapable of having an adult conversation about the subject.

      I'm of the thought that if kids aren't scrapping themselves up(knees and other parts) on occasion, they're not having enough fun.

      Gun nuts or not, the issue you're seeing is the friction between different types of people. The 'FREEDOM!' gun carrying types tend NOT to be the ones that go apeshit over a scrapped knee in a playground.

      We tend to see the extremes of either on the news.

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    14. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      More appropriate headline: "TSA Fails"

    15. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful
      When you start a discussion by referring to the people you disagree with as "nuts", you've pretty much given up the moral high ground on having an "adult conversation".

      I could point out that "walking around with loaded firearms" doesn't hurt anyone, and those who wish to use a loaded firearm to hurt someone will simply ignore any laws that prevent everyone else from walking around with them. I'd also point out that "hurting someone with a loaded firearm" is also a law that people who wish to hurt others with a loaded firearms are ignoring, so you gain nothing by a prohibition on "walking around" with them.

      It's already illegal to hurt someone with a loaded firearm, so what do you gain by prohibiting law abiding citizens from carrying them. What is the next law that will solve the problem of bad people doing bad things with guns -- a law against THINKING about loaded firearms?

    16. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TSA doesn't have the authority to detain anyone. They'd have to call the cops for that.

    17. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by binarybum · · Score: 1, Troll

      The TSA is backed by PETA avidly and they are doing an excellent job per PETA standards / expectations. Almost every TSA employee you see would be unemployed and abusing small animals at home if the TSA did not give them somewhere to go for 8h a day. So next time you see one of them yank a tracheotomy tube out of a child in a wheelchair or cavity search an old woman, just remind yourself of all the safe pets out there.

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    18. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any person has the right to detain another person until police arrive if they have have reasonable belief that the person was breaking the law. However, doing so leaves them open for a swathe of possible lawsuits. See: Citizens arrest

    19. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I still don't even understand how Rafael Cruz can run, given he was born in Canada. So much for anchor babies.

    20. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by ihtoit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it is neither useless nor a waste of taxpayer money. It keeps tens of thousands off welfare and more importantly it keeps them from being significantly productive to the point where they might effect the actual labour output of the nation enough that imports of certain commodity items which CAN be produced locally (efficient automobiles, mobile phones and other portable microelectronics, white goods, foodstuffs such as potatoes and sugar) are reduced. It provides security theatre for mass transit and a false sense of security for sardine-tin commuters when what they should REALLY be worried about is disgruntled copilots (yeah whatever). It is called a makework economy, and it's the fast track to fucking up a country without firing a shot.

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    21. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikipaedia has your answer here

    22. Re: Real banner week for the TSA... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I almost wouldn't mind the tax payers paying, and flight being a public good, like trains, but actually flight cost went up. Though also, I am pretty sure I pay the tsa as a line item on flights.

      What I'm more cautious about is the definition of links to terrorism. I am more skeptical of the fact that any of these people are risks, than the sloppiness f the tsa. Even though we know the tsa can't even find a weapon.

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    23. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by penguinoid · · Score: 0

      Now we find out that the TSA does not even have the proper inter-departmental authority. If this wasn't a serious matter it would absolutely hilarious.

      How cute. He thinks the TSA failing at security is a serious matter. (Hint: their primary jobs are to make people feel safe and create jobs in the correct district/department. Their secondary job is to help people become accustomed to government's increasing authoritarianism.)

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    24. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      They (the federal government in general) were too busy watching the public to vet their own employees.

      Kind of like you were too busy getting some snark together to bother reading even the summary, and finding that this wasn't about TSA employees? And that the issue here wasn't competence, but the fact that the agency wasn't allowed access to the data that would have identified the 73 people in question?

      Damn, too much useful information. Please ignore so you can snark some more.

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    25. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      Worse than that, it gives Americans a false sense of security where none exists.

      I disagree. Air travel in the United States has never been safer. Exactly none of that safety is due to the TSA, but the sense of safety is (at least in part).

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    26. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citizen's arrest only works if you have absolute proof (ie. video) that the person you are trying to arrest has done something wrong. If you don't, then YOU will be the one going to jail. This is why employers forbid security guards from issuing them. My point stands.

      Also, you better be able to back up a citizen's arrest, otherwise you may end up beaten or dead when the other person exercises their right to self-defense or arrests you in return.

    27. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I was actually shocked to hear, that in the TSA screenings for employees, that they were NOT able by law to ask for Social Security numbers. I mean, you *DO* have to have one of those to legally work in the US don't you?

      I'm not a big TSA fan at all, but seriously....if this is true WHY would a basic thing for employment on a govt job or government regulated job NOT be asked for?

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    28. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by KGIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In my neck of the woods the highest group of illegal immigrants are Canadians. They drive pulp trucks. They work in the mills. They chop down trees. They have expired visas and the likes. Oh well. Nobody cares. They are not usually arrested, they are not brown. Nobody notices.

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    29. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're the reason we can't have an informed conversation about risk. Risk is the probability of an event multiplied by the magnitude of severity. A loaded gun carries a high magnitude of severity, but a low probability of something actually happening (you do know where to find Google, right?). The ultimate risk is low.

      Similarly, a skinned knee may be high probability, but low severity, so the ultimate risk is still low.

      Neither are an issue. Your sense of risk is challenged.

    30. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Nobody is paid well enough to be immune to bribery. Morals stop that, not being impoverished or wealthy. I am, by some standards, fairly well-to-do. I also have morals but, let us think on this for a brief moment. I can imagine a sum that is large enough for me to look away for a few minutes. I hope that I am never offered that sum (and there is nothing to gain by bribing me at this point in time). However, after watching long enough, I am running (on my own dime - I will accept not even a single donation, thanks) for the State Senate. So, I do think about this. I ponder it more often than is healthy. I *hope* that my imagination is wrong and that I maintain my moral fiber should that situation ever arise. As I have never been in that situation, I am unsure how I will respond. I could claim that I will act appropriately but I do not know this.

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    31. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? That is not mandatory?

      FML... Does this make me gay?

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    32. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      SSN is required for employees, to file papers for the IRS, but is (arguably/borderline) illegal to ask for for other purposes.

    33. Re: Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, call people nuts, then bemoan the lacking of mature debate.

      Try this on: Get raped, faggot.

    34. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      You aren't legally required to provide your SSN to businesses unless one of the following is true:
      You'll be engaging in a transaction that requires notification to the Internal Revenue Service; or
      You're initiating a financial transaction subject to federal Customer Identification Program rules.

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    35. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      And the business, in turn, isn't legally required to serve you, as far as I know.

    36. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Required+Snark · · Score: 1

      Take your meds.

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    37. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was mandatory to buy me dinner before they could stroke my scrotum

    38. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      will simply ignore any laws that prevent everyone else from walking around with them

      But, they do appreciate laws that disarm others so they can successfully hurt more people.

    39. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Required+Snark · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Yes, loaded firearms in public are not intimidating at all. No one would ever walk around with a loaded gun with the expectation that people would act differently because of fear of violence. No group with violent or anti-social tendencies, say biker gangs, drug dealers, or gang members would ever take advantage of carrying guns to enable their law breaking activities. There would never be a situation where having loaded weapons at hand would increase the likelihood of violence. Bystanders would never be injured by stray gunfire.

      I'm so glad you cleared that up for us.

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    40. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by danbert8 · · Score: 2

      Right, that's the catch 22. You don't "have" to provide you SS number to companies, you'd just have to live without natural gas, electric, or water service to your residence. All of them pretty much require you to give it to them. I asked if there was an alternative, and was told that if I didn't want to provide my SSN I could come to their office (45 minutes away, longer in traffic) during normal business hours (so like 3 hours off work) and put down a $500 deposit for the account to start service. So yeah, you pretty much have to give them your SSN.

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    41. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      Personally, I felt safer overall back when I could simply walk through the gates and onto the plane without being run through a wringer by own country on a domestic flight. Hell, it's not like I'm likely to be on more than one flight that gets blown up or whatever. The TSA gets you every time.

      Actually, as has been noted before, if terrorists weren't so obsessed by the airplanes themselves, that massive chokepoint that has replaced the distributed individual waiting areas is prime target material.

    42. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      The bigger problem is that our body politic is incapable of having an adult conversation about risk. We live in a society that won't let kids use playgrounds where they might scrape a knee.

      Yet thinks its perfectly appropriate for people to walk around with loaded firearms.
       

      As long as they're not naked.

    43. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by helsinki92 · · Score: 1

      And the parents point, that you so clearly missed, is that bad people will completely disregard the law and do what they want anyway having not a care in the world whether the bullet they fire hits their intended target or not.

    44. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where were you 6+ years ago? Could have ended that birther nonsense with one link.

    45. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Because his mother is an American citizen, and was one when he was born, which makes him one from birth. The US Constitution doesn't require the President to have been born in the US, only that he be born a citizen.

    46. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Nobody is paid well enough to be immune to bribery.

      True. There are, however, people paid poorly enough that they have to take bribes if they want to eat this month. Being paid well doesn't make you immune to bribery, but it does make you less vulnerable to it.

    47. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several points:
      1) That isn't true in every state.
      2) In the states where it *is* true, it is almost *always* restricted to someone caught in the process of committing a *felony*, not just "a reasonable belief that the person was breaking the law".
      3) If you're *wrong* about any of that, and you detain someone, you can be arrested for kidnapping or false imprisonment. BTW, that's a felony.

      You were, however, correct about the danger of civil lawsuits. But the felony charges are the real worry.

    48. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cops are more than four times more likely than ordinary citizens to shoot someone who doesn't deserve it in any given armed altercation and kill citizens at 70 times the rate of other first-world nations, but we still let them carry guns. Sadly, most cops don't train nearly enough — many departments literally have a single monthly firearms training day, or less — so the truth is that the average gun-toting citizen is actually better at putting rounds on target than the average cop. The kind of citizens who carry firearms are also the kind of people who take them to the range regularly.

      If you don't want bystanders injured by stray gunfire, or for that matter rounds deliberately fired at undeserving targets, then take the guns away from the cops. Taking them away from responsible citizens won't help.

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    49. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Air travel in the United States has never been safer. Exactly none of that safety is due to the TSA, but the sense of safety is (at least in part).

      False. The TSA was created to erode our sense of safety. As recent reports prove, it is solely security theater to make it look like something is being done. But since it doesn't work, yet nothing is happening, we know that nothing need be done — at least, nothing we haven't done already, like reinforced cockpit doors.

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    50. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by DeansOffice · · Score: 2

      You're missing the point. Bad guys (ie gang members, drug dealers, etc) will do what they want no matter what the law says. Take Chicago for example. Until very recently (last year) Illinois had NO carry program meaning it was impossible to legally carry a gun unless you were LE. We all know about all the crime problems Chicago has. The bad guys (gang members, drug dealers, etc) would carry anyway and not only that they would commit crimes too (armed robbery, murder, etc). So the fact that there's laws against carry and in Chicago's case even possession (ie you can have a gun but it must stay locked up at home) didn't stop all the violence there. Now, Illinois was told by the courts that they had to institute a carry program (along with DC). Now we've seen stories like this stating that Chicago's crime rates are starting to drop. It could be a coincidence but I doubt it. Now, carry permit holders are some of if not the most law abiding group/demographic nationwide. Crimeresearch Stats (PDF warning) JustFacts Those are just a few sources from a quick search. As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I remember when Minnesota was debating the passage of the carry law there (I live in MN). There was no shortage of people saying that it was going to be the wild west, normal arguments would turn deadly, there would be bar fights with guns, and that road rage incidents would end in shootings. That has not happened. There's only been a few incidents and MN has more carry permit holders by percentage than Texas (3% TX vs 3.3% MN, my own calculations). Minnesota Carry Permit Holder Crime Stats I'm sorry, but carry permit holders are law abiding citizens. Add to all the supporting evidence the supreme court cases (Heller, McDonald, etc) where the court affirmed the 2nd amendment and it's pretty clear that carry is safe, effective, and legal.

    51. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their employees reliably vote Democrat; an important counter to the military reliably voting Republican. That's one thing being done right. Being unionized, part of the employee union dues go to Democrat party coffers. That's two things being Done Right. Being able to blame the Republicans for acting politically were they to attempt to eliminate this "useless boondoggle" agency is just sweet sweet icing on the cake.

    52. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my kid was born in Korea, and could legally be U.S. president. I laugh every time I read someone whine about Cruz, not that I'm a fan.

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    53. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by dcw3 · · Score: 1
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    54. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not even slightly surprised by a 95% failure rate. I've always traveled armed and never been caught. Not even worried about it. If you take 5 minutes and think about the process, it fairly trivial. They've never stopped me for observational reasons and twice I've been randomly spot checked. Once quite thoroughly.

      Purely theater as Bruce would say.

    55. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Cops are more than four times more likely than ordinary citizens to shoot someone who doesn't deserve it in any given armed altercation and kill citizens at 70 times the rate of other first-world nations

      I believe there's a chicken-and-egg thing there. The cops are armed because the criminals are armed. Every time a civilian is shot, we're told that it's because the officers had reason to fear for their life. Even when the civilian is unarmed, the officer gets to use a weapon that can kill at a distance, and they have that weapon at their disposal.

      And they actually ARE at risk: last year, 49 police officers died by firearm (two accidentally). (Another ten by vehicular assault, and two by the kinds of non-gun, non-car kinds of assaults that seem to make the headlines when civilians are killed.) In return, about a thousand people are killed by police. Many of whom, I suspect, were in fact dangerous... because they also have guns. Or at least, might.

      I don't know how other countries avoided this chicken-and-egg problem. Mostly, I suspect, by limiting firearms before mass production made quality, portable, concealable firearms readily available. (I'd be perfectly content with an "originalist" reading of the Second Amendment. Go ahead and issue everybody a black-powder rifle, which is what "arms" meant in 1791.)

      Regardless, I don't really know how to un-screw this pooch. And a thousand civilians will die this year, along with a few dozen police officers, because of it.

    56. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think they go to Universities and stuff looking for graduates to work at the TSA?

      Nope. They do their recruiting via. adverts on pizza boxes.

      https://www.google.com/search?q=tsa+pizza+box&safe=off&tbm=isch

      What were we expecting...?

    57. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Nobody is paid well enough to be immune to bribery.

      False. Just like any woman who says she'd go to bed with you for a million dollars is a whore. You either have strong moral fiber, or you don't.

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    58. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      If you could be so kind as to tell me, in detail, what you think it is that I wrote...

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    59. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      That I'm an idiot, and needed more caffeine? My apologies.

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    60. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Yes, loaded firearms in public are not intimidating at all.

      For the most part, no they aren't. For the most part, you don't know who has one and who does not. The vast majority of loaded firearms in public are concealed carry. If you are intimidated by the fact that someone may be a concealed carry holder, then I can only imagine what your behaviour would be were you to know isn't carrying. Are you going to be rude and obnoxious and assault this person, and you are only intimidated because you fear a reprisal? If you aren't going to bother him, he has no reason to bother you.

      As far as "intimidation" goes, I am intimidated more by a large person with tattoos, or a biker with angry patches on his leathers, than by someone who I don't know is carrying a firearm. Should tattoos and bikers be outlawed?

      No one would ever walk around with a loaded gun with the expectation that people would act differently because of fear of violence.

      Carrying a firearm is not, in itself, violence, and if you fear what isn't happening, you need to resolve that on your own.

      No group with violent or anti-social tendencies, say biker gangs, drug dealers, or gang members would ever take advantage of carrying guns to enable their law breaking activities.

      So you're already admitting they are breaking the law, but you think that another law will somehow make them peaceful, decent human beings who wouldn't hurt a fly. We're pretty sure that these people will simply ignore the law, thereby creating a law that has no effect other than to make law abiding citizens into criminals (and to make it safer for those who break the law to hurt others because they will face less chance of being stopped.)

      Bystanders would never be injured by stray gunfire.

      "Stray" gunfire requires someone to break the law by firing a gun at someone. Blame the people who are breaking the law by using guns for already illegal purposes, not the ones who are carrying them for self defense. Because God knows there could never be a case where an armed citizen could stop the shooting spree of a deranged criminal and save a lot of lives -- glad you cleared THAT up for us.

    61. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I kind of figured it was something like that. I have done the same, more than once...

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    62. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Pre-9/11 security was good enough to prevent the hijackers from bringing guns on board. That's big. Passengers can overcome a small number of terrorists armed with knives, but guns are another matter.

      In other words, with pre-9/11 security and the current attitude of passengers, we'd be just fine.

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    63. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What makes you think this is serious? If there was any real terrorist threat, we'd notice TSA incompetence. Since there isn't, the TSA isn't publicly humiliated (well, not much anyway), but is able to pretend it serves a purpose.

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    64. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

      "What makes you think this is serious?" - Well, if we are expecting these clowns to protect us from terrorist attacks then it's serious. From my perspective they are doing a pretty piss poor job at the moment.

      "Since there isn't, the TSA isn't publicly humiliated..." - Yes they are. On a random security audit the TSA failed 95% of the tests. 95%. Barely above no security at all. In other words, fucking awful. Now we find out that they don't even have the proper access to do their jobs? Yeah...publicly humiliated.

    65. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      I'd vote for a presidential candidate who pledged to eliminate this useless boondoggle agency.

      What if the Democrats and the Republicans didn't offer one? Would you be willing to vote for some other candidate?

      Because I'm pretty sure that when the dust settles, those two nominees won't make any such pledge.

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    66. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree 100%. Law abiding citizens carrying weapons for self defense helps foster a polite society. And when a criminal or deranged person decides to inflict harm, they are much more likely to be stopped when there are good people with weapons at the ready to defend themselves and those around them.
      Awesome post, awesome refutation obfuscant

    67. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by Toshito · · Score: 1

      And why do you carry a firearm?

      I'm in my forties, and I never had need for one. Nor does any member of my extended family, counting tens of cousins, uncles, all the way to grand parents. I've been working fo 20 years and I never heard any discussion about needind a firearm from any of my past and present coworkers.

      In fact none of the hundred of persons I met and discussed with in all my life ever made even a comment about needing a firearm to protect themselves.

      Seriously, is living in the USA so dangerous?

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    68. Re:Real banner week for the TSA... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Yet thinks its perfectly appropriate for people to walk around with loaded firearms.

      If you do not want to walk around with a loaded firearm, nobody is forcing you. Oh, you want to stop other people from walking around with loaded firearms? Now you have a problem because you do not get to choose what other people can or can not do.

      What are the people of Iraq crying for right now? Personally owned weapons... so they can fight off the Da'esh (IS/ISIL/ISIS) menace. It is a good thing that as soon as Iraq had a functioning government that they confiscated all of the personally owned weapons for the safety of the people.

      Oh right. Nothing like that would ever happen in the United States of America so there is no point in owning weapons there. Our government has only our best interests at heart and would never shoot 17 innocent people on a college campus such as Kent State. Or police officers would never shoot innocent men. Or, law abiding citizens would never need to protect themselves against someone who does not care for law and order. (CAPTCHA is villainy)

      Look, I am cool with you believing whatever you want to believe and practicing it. Do not carry a gun if you do not feel the need for it or do not trust yourself to control yourself with one.

      But don't try to tell me what to do.

      If it makes you feel any better, I do not own any weapons.

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  2. Grammar by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

    Slashdot fails to find links to grammar of headlines.

    How about "TSA Fails to Find Airport Workers' Links to Terrorism" instead? Unless the TSA was investigating the terrorism of airport workers, that headline is a little bit off.

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    1. Re:Grammar by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Slashdot fails to find links to grammar of headlines.

      How about "TSA Fails to Find Airport Workers' Links to Terrorism" instead? Unless the TSA was investigating the terrorism of airport workers, that headline is a little bit off.

      Well, to be fair, it's not like they're edited before hitting the front page.

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    2. Re:Grammar by sjames · · Score: 5, Funny

      "TSA: Fails to Find Airport Workers. Links to Terrorism."

  3. Shocked! I tell you I'm shocked ... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... that the Theater Security Agency has failed to discoverer 1 terrorist.

    /sarcasm But let's keep fighting the war on all those inanimate objects like Drugs, Terror, and now Cryptography!

    1. Re:Shocked! I tell you I'm shocked ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because there wasn't even 1 terrorist.

    2. Re:Shocked! I tell you I'm shocked ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The problem is we don't know the nature of these "terror links". Maybe it's the guys third cousin was detected accessing the Anarchists Cookbook three years ago. Maybe it's all just nonsense and there is no need to worry.

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    3. Re:Shocked! I tell you I'm shocked ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what the US government is going to use next to do their fear mongering

      They should make a /. poll! Holy shit would that be fun!

    4. Re:Shocked! I tell you I'm shocked ... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      That would be a great poll !

  4. TSA == ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSA == Totally Stupid Assholes! So, 73 potential terrorists are working either for the TSA or airport authorities? 95% of lethal weapons get through security screening? Let's get real and disband the entire agency and fire all of them!

    1. Re:TSA == ??? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Everyone working for the TSA is a potential terrorist, 73 are one some list somewhere.

    2. Re:TSA == ??? by vux984 · · Score: 2

      This.

      And of the 73 on a list somewhere; i bet only a fraction are even slightly a threat; and i hope they don't lose their job simply because some distant uncle who sends them a gift on their birthday attended a rally where some actual terrorists also went...

    3. Re: TSA == ??? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      What degree of separation is a potential terrorist? You don't need to get that far from me to find bad records, but I'm in no way a murderer, drug dealer, or terrorist. You can find them quick n the social web though.

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  5. The Onion says it best by cowdung · · Score: 1

    The Onion has reported the new TSA plan:

    http://www.theonion.com/articl...

    I think it'll be much better than the previous one.

    1. Re:The Onion says it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? We're all going to die someday? We need a gov't program to study this!

  6. In Other Words by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So in other words. giving every passenger a cudgel on the way to their seat and locking the damned cabin door would be a cheaper, more effective means of on-plane security.

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    1. Re:In Other Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have repeated the "lock the cabin door" meme. Good work, mindless sheep. Mod up Insightful for you!

    2. Re:In Other Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You have repeated the "mindless sheep" meme. Good work, wannabe iconoclast. Embarrassment lack of self-awareness for you!

    3. Re:In Other Words by mjwx · · Score: 1

      So in other words. giving every passenger a cudgel on the way to their seat and locking the damned cabin door would be a cheaper, more effective means of on-plane security.

      For bonus points, the pilot should bring up several contentious topics over the PA system.

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  7. Sooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSA was not authorized to get the information.

    Perhaps TSA is not to be trusted in general.

    Or perhaps if TSA had and used the info, this would reveal sources and methods.

    It's fun to think the story is the first, but it's more likely the latter.

    1. Re:Sooo by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps the same inter-departmental politics are still going on? Agencies don't trust one another and are reluctant to share information, for fear that the other guy will take credit. Same reason the NSA was set up - to solve bickering between the FBI and the CIA. Yeah, well, that didn't turn out so well either.

    2. Re:Sooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that was never the reason they were set up, unless you want to dream up some conspiracy theory.

  8. duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    there is probably some government "watchlist" that assumes all airport workers are terrorists and any slight joke or 7th degree link is considered corroborating evidence.

    fuck you all. you're the terrorists.

  9. Patience by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My karma is good, so I think I need to off burn some excess. Mod me as you will.

    What the TSA and every other TLA agency can't protect against: a previously law-abiding person who decides that they must act against America. Their first criminal act may be the one that kills. The 9/11 hijackers did nothing illegal until well after the cabin doors of their aircraft closed.

    The TSA can't do shit against someone who has a brain and patience. Not. a. fucking. thing.

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    1. Re:Patience by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Except that sane people tend not to go crazy without indication. This should allow you to stop the majority of attacks if you keep an ear to the ground rather than waste so much time patting down grannies.

    2. Re:Patience by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      citations please.

      From my experience, people who have already tripped the nutball alarm are the ones likely to flip with indicators - because it is those indicators that have tripped the alarm. By definition, then, sane people aren't crazy and crazy people aren't sane. There's no sane/violently crazy switch, there is a transition between sane/passive-aggressive/batshit-fucking-run.

      Why are aircraft cabins decorated in neutral colours? Why are the cabins pressurised to only 8,000 feet ASL? Ask then answer: because just those two measures are designed to subdue passengers during the flight. Most people can't cope with burst exercise at 8,000 feet pressure, it's like drawing a breath holding it then drawing another breath on top of it - holding that and sprinting 50 metres BEFORE you exhale. Your lungs are going to HURT. 8,000 feet is what professional athletes train at for weeks before the World Championship, soccer players before the FIFA World Cup, cyclists before the Tour de France.

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    3. Re:Patience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because just those two measures are designed to subdue passengers during the flight. Most people can't cope with burst exercise at 8,000 feet pressure

      Methinks you're full of shit. Citation please. Most Americans can't walk up a slight incline without getting winded. They don't need to fuck around with cabin pressure to "subdue passengers".

      Also, some of us are very physically active and don't sit in a chair all the time. You should try leveling your Outdoors skill. Sunshine grants a +1 bonus to Sanity.

    4. Re:Patience by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      The 9/11 hijackers did nothing illegal until well after the cabin doors of their aircraft closed.

      The TSA can't do shit against someone who has a brain and patience. Not. a. fucking. thing.

      During their flight training they performed poorly, threatened women and treated people like the narcissistic religious nutcases they were. A brain and patience appear to be optional.

    5. Re:Patience by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Most people can't cope with burst exercise at 8,000 feet pressure, it's like drawing a breath holding it then drawing another breath on top of it - holding that and sprinting 50 metres BEFORE you exhale. Your lungs are going to HURT. 8,000 feet is what professional athletes train at for weeks before the World Championship, soccer players before the FIFA World Cup, cyclists before the Tour de France.

      It's really not that bad.....you just breath more heavily.

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    6. Re:Patience by deadweight · · Score: 2

      commercial pilot here: This is BS. The cabin pressure is set the way it is because it costs money, range, and fuel to make the airplane stronger and thus able to be pressurized to sea level at cruise altitudes.

    7. Re:Patience by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      The 9/11 hijackers did nothing illegal until well after the cabin doors of their aircraft closed.

      Not in the US, no, since they didn't come to the US until they were involved in the plot. They had been active jihadists overseas, and this was known to the CIA (but not the FBI, because the CIA didn't tell them). And while they didn't do anything illegal, they did things that were damn suspicious (most notably their attitudes and actions during their flight training).

    8. Re:Patience by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. You no nothing about aviation engineering. Please take your tin-foil hat conspiracy somewhere else.

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    9. Re:Patience by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      explain. And less of the bullshit claims because you have no cogent counterargument.

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    10. Re:Patience by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      Explain. And less of the false assumption. It makes you look a fool.

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    11. Re:Patience by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      No explanation necessary on my part. I'm a pilot and an engineer. Another commercial pilot below called bullshit as well. If you're dumb enough to come up with the bullshit you posted, I'm not going to be bothered to try to educate you.

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    12. Re:Patience by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      On the chance that you're actually asking for information....

      Having different pressures inside and outside the aircraft creates stress on the structure. If the pressure differential is less, less stress. To have higher pressure, the aircraft would have to be made stronger, meaning the structure would be heavier. A heavier aircraft means more fuel for the same capacity, or less capacity for the same fuel, and either means more fuel. Fuel costs money. If the aircraft is heavier, then its maximum fuel load is decreased, hence less range.

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  10. How close are the ties? by timrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wish the report would go into some detail about how close the ties that these workers have to terrorism were, even if they were anonymized. Were they members or former members of a terrorist group? Is one of their family members or close personal friends a terrorist? It's still a failure to find these people before hiring them, but there's a big difference between "We found that 73 people were former members of a group or groups classified as a terrorist organization" and "We found that 73 people had donated money to the wrong charity or have a distant relative that might be a member of a terrorist organization."

    All the report says is that the 73 people were divided into 5 categories and that the TSA didn't have clearance for all 5 categories.

    1. Re:How close are the ties? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All the report says is that the 73 people were divided into 5 categories and that the TSA didn't have clearance for all 5 categories.

      Probably because the US Government classifies random groups of people as terrorists simply to keep the terror up in the press. For example most charity organizations that operate overseas are classified as terrorist organizations or having terrorist ties.

    2. Re:How close are the ties? by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      Came here to post this same comment. This is entire article is nothing but vague and potentially misleading information. I like to hate on the TSA Too, but this article is implying that we need to give the TSA *more* powers, because they didn't find something. But it doesn't won't tell us what the TSA didn't find or why they should have found it.

    3. Re:How close are the ties? by houghi · · Score: 2

      The 5 catagories are the ones they talk about. There is one more, but that will be come clear. Think Kevin Bacon.

      Basicaly the 5 cagagories are how far you are linked to a Terrorist. Lowest level is 5 steps/degrees away and that goes all the way to 1 That means you ARE a terrorist. The TSA only has access to levels 1 to 3. Level 4 and 5 (degrees away from a known terrorist) are for the real police.

      The secret level 6 is for the NSA and similar agencies. Those are the names of the people that are 6 degrees away from knowing a terrorist personally.

      The list is secret, but the number of those on 'list 6' is known

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    4. Re:How close are the ties? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I wish the report would go into some detail about how close the ties that these workers have to terrorism were, even if they were anonymized. Were they members or former members of a terrorist group? Is one of their family members or close personal friends a terrorist? It's still a failure to find these people before hiring them, but there's a big difference between "We found that 73 people were former members of a group or groups classified as a terrorist organization" and "We found that 73 people had donated money to the wrong charity or have a distant relative that might be a member of a terrorist organization."

      All the report says is that the 73 people were divided into 5 categories and that the TSA didn't have clearance for all 5 categories.

      Yes, and what kind of terrorists did they have links to? The kind that blow up buildings and planes? Or the kind that vocally challenges the government when the government wipes their posteriors with the constitution?

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  11. Links to terrorism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like what exactly? Greenpeace membership? It is all blacked out and secret.

    Government agency wants more power to be ineffective and affect more people.

    1. Re:Links to terrorism? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Sure, let's list everything so the enemies can know exactly how to stay off the lists. Idiot.

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  12. IOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSA fails.

    'nuff said.

  13. So what they're really saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We're cool. We do our job. It's those pesky other agencies that makes us fail. So we must have more people/money/powers/whatever OR TEH TERRISTS WILL WIN!!1!"

    How... novel and unusual of them to be saying such things.

  14. Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a farce by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And that's because we're being kind.

    If anything, it's an expensive waste of time and resources that makes terrorism more likely, especially when combined with unnecessary and counter-productive unconstitutional search and seizure and monitoring of American citizens in America, when the only useful actionable intel we have ever had has been due to intel gathering that started in the Middle East.

    Period.

    Living in Fear is the wrong answer. Americans are made of sterner stuff than that.

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  15. More questions than answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSA is not authorized to receive all terrorism-related information under current interagency watchlisting policy

    Why?

    Regarding the 95% failure to detect bombs was it the technology or the operators?

  16. Terrorism of Airport Workers by Livius · · Score: 1

    Wait, "Airport Workers" is a terrorist organization? But the airports are crawling with them...

    1. Re:Terrorism of Airport Workers by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I say send in the Marines to clear the are of terrorists then.

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  17. Re:Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a farc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate that you are almost right.

    Americans were made of sterner stuff, but not anymore, not for a number of years.

  18. Re:Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a farc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And the worst thing: The only useful intel from there is HUMINT, when the only thing that interests "the" (american intelligence) "community" is SIGINT, ie playing with fancy toys and slurping up everyone's digital dataaaah. It is no coincidence that the TSA paid for lots of pervy scanners, much of which still sits crated in storage. And, of course, the no fly lists and the secret rules, and the inevitable trampling of rights that ensues, and so on.

  19. Re:Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a farc by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Sadly you are correct.

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  20. Fear is their only tool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody knew they were going to start saying this kind of shit when the people overwhelmingly supported taking away the abusive powers of the new security/police state. Fear is their only tool.

  21. Re:Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a farc by mjwx · · Score: 1

    And that's because we're being kind.

    If anything, it's an expensive waste of time and resources that makes terrorism more likely, especially when combined with unnecessary and counter-productive unconstitutional search and seizure and monitoring of American citizens in America, when the only useful actionable intel we have ever had has been due to intel gathering that started in the Middle East.

    You're assuming the job of the TSA is to stop terrorists. All evidence points against this conclusion. The TSA is not a CT organisation, it's a PR organisation. The idea is not to stop threats rather it is to simply make Americans feel safer. This is why the key metric of the TSA is not how many terrorists or guns they find, but how safe the average traveller feels.

    Also whilst intelligence gathering is a better approach to stopping terrorism than draconian laws, tyrannical airport cops and unnecessary, destructive wars, why limit it to the Middle East? Terrorists can come from anywhere. South America and Eastern Europe are hotbeds of activity, even Ireland was just a few decades ago and whilst technically not terrorists, western nations face more risk from Russian crime syndicates than Islamic extremists.

    What the US needs to do is to stop making enemies. Prevention is better than cure.

    Americans are made of sterner stuff than that.

    Empirical evidence suggests otherwise.

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  22. This is why you do background checks by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    the whole TSA security model for is ass backwards.

    Rather than anally probing the passangers, do a background check... on all of them. Make that a part of the security process.

    Have two lines.

    Line one is for people that went through a background check. They can go through a metal detector, with their shoes on, thank you have a nice day.

    Then you have another line for people that didn't go through a background check and they get to take their shoes off etc.

    Let everyone that wants to go through the faster line pay the government 20-50 bucks for a background check and then we're done.

    All the frequent fliers will have the new card and will just bypass most of the security.

    This is how it should work.

    And obviously anyone actually working for the TSA would be expected to go through a fucking background check.

    Here someone will say "they did but no one noticed they had terrorist ties"... then you're apparently hiring circus monkeys to do the background checks. Hire human beings to do it. Next issue.

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    1. Re:This is why you do background checks by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is pretty much what the security people associated with that audit said. There is a program for "fast tracking" airline passengers, with pre-screening (like CAPPS) and such. Yet very few know about it, and the TSA doesn't really advertise it very well.

      In a somewhat related note, the TSA has almost grounded all flights by not doing proper change management. They repeatedly will begin some server / database maintenance without telling anyone, so we who monitor those systems start getting all sorts of alarms. The last time the TSA pulled down the no-fly database for some maintenance we were about 5 minutes out from alerting the FAA and the whole system going into a lock-down. After some frantic phone calls the TSA was just like "oh yeah, we forgot to tell anyone". From my perspective, they are just as "dangerous" as these "terrorists". Even the terrorists would have a hard time grounding all flights without any violence like has almost happened.

    2. Re:This is why you do background checks by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      There is already a line for people who had background checks.

      Have you not been to an American airport in the last 3 years? You should have seen signs for TSA Pre. It's part of the Trusted Travels program, and you do a little light paperwork for the background check and have your fingerprints taken.

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    3. Re:This is why you do background checks by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Its not well advertised or encouraged.

      It should be the default system that everyone goes through except for infrequent travelers. Anyone commuting by air or taking business trips or just traveling with any frequency should be able to bypass the system.

      And people that apply for visas should be encouraged to do this as well. Any excuse we can come up with to subject people coming into the country to an additional layer of scrutiny is something we should exploit.

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    4. Re:This is why you do background checks by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      It's kind of hard to miss the signs at the three airports I've been to this year.

      If you sign up for a frequent flyer account with most airlines you get a little packet of information, one of them is a TSA Pre brochure. I'm not sure what the online equivalent of such a kit contains, if anything.

      If you are applying for a travel visa from Canada or Mexico, you are told of the program as well. This has all come about in the last two years. If you're not a Canadian or Mexican citizen, then you can't use the program so not much point advertising it to Europeans or anyone like that.

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  23. After 911 we were told by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that the powers-that-be dropped the ball because none of the three-letter-agencies were sharing information like they ought to.

    So to solve this problem we created 4 more three-letter-agencies that dont share information like they ought to.

    1. Re:After 911 we were told by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Their working up to making one three-letter-agency that operates as a secret police force.

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    2. Re:After 911 we were told by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can the three-letter-agencies be called "secret" police when they have been front page news for the past 13 years? Are people being rounded up at night and disappeared? Have any political parties been outlawed? Have any news organizations, both paper and electronic, been shutdown or declared illegal? And the reason the NSA, CIA,and FBI have trouble sharing information because all 3 agencies have different jurisdictions.

      Example: The NSA collects information under a FISA warrant or from a foreign operation where US warrants might not apply. They deliver the information to the FBI to be used prosecuting a US citizen on US soil. The defendant challenges where evidence originated. Defendant then claims his rights were violated.

    3. Re:After 911 we were told by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Are people being rounded up at night and disappeared?

      No, we haven't gotten there yet. Patience, all will be revealed in due time.

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  24. Doesn't it matter what the "link" actually is? by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I mean, if the workers *are* terrorists then they should be arrested, right? Short of that there are countless ways a non-terrorist can be "linked" with terrorists, and due to the "six degrees of separation" phenomenon it's quite common to have surprising looking connections.

    For example Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan and I happen to have a common common friend. I met the friend through work and Bandar knew him because his family was a neighbor in Aspen where Bandar has a house. And since Bandar is in the Saudi royal family and Osama bin Laden belonged to a prominent Saudi family, it's almost certain that Bandar knew him from before his Mujahideen days in Afghanistan. So I'm only two two acquaintances removed from Osama bin Laden. That sounds alarming! But in fact I've never *met* Bandar, in fact I've never met any Saudis at all.

    I've been racking my brains for people I've met from the actual Middle East, and it turns out that at one point in my career met the Egyptian-American space researcher Farouk el-Baz (who has a TNG shuttlecraft named after him!). El-Baz comes from a connected family; his brother for example was high up in Hosni Mubarak's government, and Farouk himself was at one time a science adviser to Anwar Sadat. It's a fair bet that he knows somebody from Egypt who later went on to be involved with the Muslim Brotherhood -- it wouldn't reflect on him at all. But if that were true I'd be just one acquaintance away from a direct "connection" with the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Now it also happens that my wife went to graduate school with someone who was the first woman valedictorian of the US Naval academy. Since I know her directly, I have all kinds of one-degree of separation relationships to people in all kinds of sensitive military and national security positions. I also two different one-degree of separation connections to the Clintons and current Secretary of State John Kerry. If you count my "connections" to my college professors at MIT I'm one-degree of separation away from several Manhattan Project scientists.

    If you plotted out my social network to two or three links away it'd look remarkable, in some cases even disturbing. But it's not. "Connection" means almost nothing. There have been cases of people "connected" to terrorists because the frequently called the same number -- a Manhattan pizza restaurant.

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    1. Re:Doesn't it matter what the "link" actually is? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      doesn't take a lot to link my circle of acquaintences to some VERY powerful people, some VERY popular celebrities, some UTTERLY DANGEROUS PSYCHOTICS, and yes, Kevin Bacon.

      Here's just one run. I've sat on a couch and gotten blitzed on voddie with Adam Ant. He dated DD Winters in 1983. DD dated Prince in 1982. Prince dated Susanna Hoffs (Bangles) in 1986, during which time she found the time to knock boots with Michael J Fox. He, the ol' sly fox him, married Tracy Pollan (his Family Ties co-star in 1988 following a two year stretch of just trying it out soon after she broke off a five year relationship with Kevin Bacon.

      I've yet to meet Kevin Bacon.

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    2. Re:Doesn't it matter what the "link" actually is? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing though. Consider my Bandar connection; he was ambassador to the US, and has LOTS of connected and influential people -- especially in the petroleum industry. But my indirect connection could just as easily be to some radical imam who is not hobnobbing with the Bushes. That could raise a red flag, even though such an indirect connection clearly is usually meaningless.

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    3. Re:Doesn't it matter what the "link" actually is? by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      'the world' doesn't like whats happening now...

    4. Re:Doesn't it matter what the "link" actually is? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if you were on the list, you'd know it. Do you think the people making those lists just put 7B people on them? No, it's more than just a la Kevin Bacon.

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    5. Re:Doesn't it matter what the "link" actually is? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      I must be on someone's list...

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  25. TSA has a 100% success rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...since they were installed, they have caught me EVERY time I forget to take my pen-knife off my keychain. I have given up over twelve (12) pen-knives to help ensure the safety of our air travel network.

  26. Crikey! by ninjagin · · Score: 1

    Dear sweet jeebus, can we please just dismantle the TSA and give security back to the airlines, now?

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    1. Re:Crikey! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Dear sweet jeebus, can we please just dismantle the TSA and give security back to the airlines, now?

      So your answer to the fact that 73 people were missed because the TSA wasn't allowed to see the information that would cause those people to be scrutinized by that agency is ... to instead grant a lot of different airlines (including foreign ones operating in the US?) access to that sensitive information instead? Or would it be easier to instead remove the silo effect that allowed this to happen in the first place, over which the TSA had no control?

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    2. Re:Crikey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that fact is just *yet another* example of how and why the TSA doesn't actually provide any security. (The fact that they failed to find 95% of the test scenarios they were presented with over the course of the past year is a better example, since all of those tests were *designed* to be caught by the existing procedures and equipment.

      Given:
      1) The sole purpose of the TSA is to provide security.
      2) The TSA regularly and routinely demonstrates that it is incapable of doing so.
      3) The TSA costs billions a year.

      The TSA has no rational basis for continuing to exist.

  27. TSA by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    fail

    Suddenly, this isn't so funny any more.

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  28. Common problem with LE and private companies by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    is that when you ask a private company to do law enforcement and don't give them all the information they need (like CROSSAGENCY BACKGROUND CHECKS), shit will slip through the dragnet. For some strange reason, the Government won't let certain information pass into the hands of privately owned data mining concerns such as the Criminal Records Bureau and the Independent Safeguarding Authority (now conglomerated into the Disclosure & Barring Service); the information they do hold - for which they charge exhorbitant fees to access even if negative or null results are returned - is also *freely* available through a bit of Google mining.

    Prime examples and how the criminals defeat the system: child protection services in the the UK. How do the paedophiles get around enhanced background checks? Simple. THEY ASSUME A DIFFERENT NAME. This is pretty much how the predators get access to other people's kids. They insinuate themselves into positions of trust. New name, no CRB records, no court records, no police records. Next thing you know, a familiar face with a different name is caught fucking a nursery full of two year olds. Angela Allen. Vanessa George. Colin Blanchard. Or salivating over a sunday school class of boys, while at the same time perjuring oneself to enable child snatching and trafficking under colour of Law, and/or claiming expertise and/or qualification in a protected field when no record exists of such study in order to gain a position of trust. Andrew Kawalek. George Hibbert. Roy Meadow. Or hanging around public conveniences for the sole purpose of having sex with strange men in one of the most unclean environments you can possibly imagine. Charles Lynton (his other name should be very familiar to a lot of people and it doesn't take a lot of working out, and then wondering why the entire Bow Street Magistrates Records of Session is currently inaccessible to ANYONE but the London City Archive curator).

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  29. How to get citizens ready for big increases by OrangeTide · · Score: 0

    If I were in charge and I wanted to get a dumb populace to quickly accept some huge increases in budget for security forces, inspectors and secret police. I would probably point out how the current force is ineffective and make certain every American agrees that we are not safe under the current system. Let it stew for a few months and roll out some improvements that can finally curtail the last bit of freedom that people enjoy.

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  30. 95% of agents could bring weapons through security by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    but not fingernail clippers or water, so SUCCESS! Why do we have security again? Is it all a puppet show?

  31. Re:Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a farc by ihtoit · · Score: 0

    In a nation where law abiding citizens are disarmed, only the criminals will have guns.

    AAAAAAALLRIGHTYTHEN! So glad we got that straightened out! :D

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  32. Code? What? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    "terrorism-related category codes" what does this even mean? And "initial for a first name and missing social security numbers", those get a free pass too per OIG-15-98. "Social security number (SSN) is not currently a required field on the aviation worker credential application" quite surprising, as that is the primary means for tracking a worker. And "TSA did not receive certain terrorism-related category codes as part of the watchlist extract they used for vetting" tells me that it wasn't the TSA but whomever is compiling the list FOR the TSA that screwed up on this.

    I finally found http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/C..., which has a list on page two. Still don't know if these are the "category codes" as mentioned though...it's all rather obscure. Interesting that "controlled substances" is mentioned twice as much as murder.

  33. Re:Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a farc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know, right? If everyone could carry their guns on board the plane, terrorists could be stopped by dozens of armed citizens immediately! Plus, then I'd get the WHOLE can of soda!

  34. What will be done about it? by myid · · Score: 1

    Ok so the question now is, what will be done about this?

    The DHS discovered the fact that TSA couldn't vet these employees. The DHS made six recommendations, and the TSA agreed with the recommendations. Will President Obama, or Francis Taylor (the Acting Administrator of the TSA), or Jeh Johnson (the head of the DHS), push to fix the communication problems? Or will they just shake their heads, and worry about the political fallout?

  35. Re:Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a farc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Living in Fear is the wrong answer. Americans are made of sterner stuff than that.

    No, they are not. They are a bunch of cowards. The proof is right there, in overwhelming support for TSA and their theater. Vast majority is more than willing to throw their hands up to prove their innocence.

    So please, get with the times. The slogans like "liberty or death" are nothing but hollow words of the years past when people actually believed them. Now all they can say is "support our troops", by which they mean they support spreading terror and death to the poor people of Pakistan and elsewhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    American security seems to be nothing buy spreading of terror overseas and spreading of terror on their own soil so some can make a lot of money. When security apparatus (I don't just mean TSA, but total spending on security theater) is now larger than Pentagon's budget, you have a problem and it ain't going away.

    There was far more terrorism on US soil in the past (see 1960s or 1920s) and no one even dreamed of totalitarian controls that today don't even get a blink. Home of the brave? I think not.

  36. Racetrack by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    When are you getting your cars back? You need to buy out the Taupo track for a day and invite everyone over.

  37. Re: Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sound like a terrorist.

  38. So what? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Should I care? If so why? They redacted even summary information categorizing what makes these people "suspicious". Is there any public information anyone can use to quantify the risk?

    For all anyone knows "links to terrorism" means TSA employee once delivered a pizza to a network admin who prefers IS-IS to OSPF.

    Have to love in a supposed free society maintenance of secret lists compiled using secret methods and criteria. A list whose names have no opportunity to know what they are even accused of let alone defend themselves.

    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, I think the reason that I care is, they are taking my money and doing nothing worth having done.

  39. Re: Everyone with CT experience knows TSA is a far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sound like a terrorist.

    LOL. So must be Jon Steward and especially John Oliver.

  40. Handpickedx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    handpickedx.com come watch real porn!

    1. Re:Handpickedx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://handpickedx.com

  41. Can we PLEASE, get rid of this stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agency? Please??

  42. Buried under red tape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sadly, as a former employee at an international airport, a lot of the 'safety' checks TSA are obligated to carry out on each craft before flight for each RON (remain over night) flight are a worse than a joke. Due to the amount of paper work they make you sign you can never disclose the specific details, if the people who flew REALLY knew what went on down on the ramp I think they would think the bus was a better choice. Hopefully someone will speak up about it.

  43. Wow, troll? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    We're talking about people who, on purpose, took a job where they sexually abuse people for money. And then they proceed to do the job. We're so used to American prisons being a rape factory that we don't mind getting raped in order to get on an airplane? I guess the world really is a prison cell... in America

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  44. More interesting is that nothing happened. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    Even though they missed these obvious connections, and even though the TSA misses 95% of all threatening bottles of liquid over 3 oz.

    Nothing happened.

    Meanwhile, over 30,000 people died in traffic accidents in 2014.

    Something is wrong here.

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  45. Rotten At The Top An Inside Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Sec. of DHS and all management are being payed by Al Qaida, Taliban and the Mafia. So the greatest weapon of the terrorists is DHS. DHS/TSA is the New John Anthony Walker.

    An Inside Job.

  46. Data grab! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this just a data grab? We could give them all the data in the world and they'll still miss people. In fact the more data we give them the more people will fall through the net. More data doesn't assure better outcomes. There's a limit to how much data we can crunch through meaningfully without creating false positives and heaping piles of work.

    Eventually we'll have 50% of Americans staring at a monitor screen showing what the other 50% are doing. It's kinda like peer-approved-living.