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FCC Votes To Subsidize Broadband Connections For Low-Income Households

Mark Wilson writes: Today the FCC voted in favor of updating its Lifeline program to include broadband. This would mean that households surviving on low incomes would be able to receive help paying for a broadband connection. It might not be as important as electricity or water, but having a broadband connection is seen as being all but essential these days. From helping with education and job hunting, to allowing for home working, the ability to get online is seen as so vital by some that there have been calls for it to be classed as a utility. The Lifeline program has been running since the 80s, and originally provided financial help to those struggling to pay for a phone line. It was expanded in 2008 to include wireless providers, and it is hoped that this third expansion will help more people to get online.

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  1. I don't see the downside of this by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It appears the subsidy would help pay for it, but not make it free or mandatory. If the people who persue the subsidy can meet somehwere in the middle on the cost of broadband they probably have some sense to themselves economically and likely are at least marginally techincally competent.

    This may even lead more companies to try to compete in the market of providing broadband to low-income areas, which would be a good thing as well.

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    1. Re:I don't see the downside of this by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hell, I'd like Broadband and I'm willing to pay for it.

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    2. Re:I don't see the downside of this by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seattle is a special case: apparently, your Internet access is fucked up because you keep electing shitty city councilpeople who make rules that ISPs hate. You should quit doing that.

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    3. Re:I don't see the downside of this by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Funny

      I spend a lot of money to live in a nice location in downtown Seattle, and cable TV and Internet are not available on my block. DSL is spotty, and since I live on the top floor, there's no way to make it work. The cabling to the building and inside the building is just too old.

      Doesn't sound like such a nice location to me.

    4. Re:I don't see the downside of this by DroolTwist · · Score: 2

      neighborhoods that have 1.5mpbs connections

      mpbs = Multi Petabit per Second? Christ, some people will complain about anything.

  2. Do they ever follow up? by tomhath · · Score: 2

    From helping with education and job hunting, to allowing for home working

    All noble and good. But will the government even bother to follow up and see if it makes any difference? It's one thing to help people improve their place in life, but if all this does is provide free entertainment I'm not so sure. Maybe there should be at least some strings attached to it.

    1. Re:Do they ever follow up? by Ionized · · Score: 4, Insightful

      in at least some cases the cost of following up is greater than the amount saved by booting those that abuse the system. see: drug testing for welfare recipients

      so, is the money actually what's important to you? or are you just a hardass that can't stand to see someone get something for free on principle?

    2. Re:Do they ever follow up? by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Whether you agree or disagree with drug testing, the cost is just a ruse. Not only could you test randomly, you could do like the IRS does audits
      and only test 1 in 10 or 1 in 1000 people making the cost negligible. You could also use the already existing anonymous welfare fraud reporting
      system for people to report suspected drug users so you could more carefully select which people you "audit".

      The big thing I hear about with drug testing though is that it hurts the children but if the parent is on drugs and we are not going to take the children
      away then maybe a compromise would be to continue to give them food stamps but at the same time continuously monitor them for drug rehab
      because it's not good for the children to be in a house with a drug addict either.

  3. Re:I'm poor and I'm against this by WiiVault · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really? Cuz I guarantee you the people who oppose this are not looking out for you and are protecting their own interests. Why not afford yourself the same treatment?

  4. Re:I'm poor and I'm against this by Rasperin · · Score: 2

    But you aren't supposed to watch porn at the library! Something about modesty laws, damn you big government!

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  5. Re:I'm poor and I'm against this by Krojack · · Score: 2

    You have to jump though some pretty shitty loops at my local library to prove you're a city tax payer. If you're not then you can't use the computers.

  6. Re:Obamaphone 2.0? by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2

    Do you mean ReaganPhone from the mid 80's or BushPhone from 2005 when it was expanded to cellphones (with the first phone issued during the last few weeks of Bush's administration)?

  7. Re:I'm poor and I'm against this by khasim · · Score: 2

    Well that's great.

    As long as your local library exists.

    And is accessible when you need it.

    And close enough for you to get to.

    And has a working computer available for you in the time frame you have.

    No. That's not so great. That sucks.

  8. The downside is taxpayers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...subsidizing a non-essential good for other people.

    The downside is the federal government sticking its nose into something that's none of its business, in defiance of the 10th Amendment.

    1. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by knightghost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Spoken like a true Anonymous Coward.

      Internet access is nearly as important as electricity in our modern age. I'd place it as more important than phones. A phone can call a friend... the internet shows you the world.

    2. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by aristotle-dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spoken like a true Anonymous Coward.

      Internet access is nearly as important as electricity in our modern age. I'd place it as more important than phones. A phone can call a friend... the internet shows you the world.

      If you feel that way, volunteer your own money. You seem to be a spendthrift when it comes to using other people's money.

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    3. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by nbauman · · Score: 2

      ...subsidizing a non-essential good for other people.

      The downside is the federal government sticking its nose into something that's none of its business, in defiance of the 10th Amendment.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      There is no reason why, in a society which has reached the general level of wealth ours has, the first kind of security should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom; that is: some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health. Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision.
      -- The Road to Serfdom, Friedrich von Hayek

      The Readers' Digest left that part out of the comic book.

    4. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Internet access is nearly as important as electricity in our modern age.

      Perhaps. But why not just give the poor a basic income supplement, and let them decide for themselves what to spend it on? Some of them may use it for Internet, but others may use it to buy food or medicine. Why should the government presume to know their priorities better than they do.

      Golly, I wonder if any politicians supporting this program received campaign contributions from Comcast and TWC.

    5. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by nbauman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Spoken like a true Anonymous Coward.

      Internet access is nearly as important as electricity in our modern age. I'd place it as more important than phones. A phone can call a friend... the internet shows you the world.

      If you feel that way, volunteer your own money. You seem to be a spendthrift when it comes to using other people's money.

      If you want to invade Iraq, volunteer your own money. If you want to bail out banks, volunteer your own money. If you want to stop and frisk black people, volunteer your own money. If you want to drive on highways, volunteer your own money. If you want to create the Internet, volunteer your own money.

    6. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd place it as more important than phones. A phone can call a friend...

      Or a phone can allow the school to call you when you child is taken ill. Or your child can call you when they are in trouble and need help. Or the hospital can call you to tell you your child is there. Or you can call the police when you need help. Or you can call home to get someone to come bail you out of jail. Or ...

      None of which "being online" does very well at.

      "Being online" is nice. Some people have restructured their lives to make it more important to them, but that's their choice, not a requirement.

      ... the internet shows you the world.

      Yes, very nice when you don't have enough money to drive to the next city over, to see the world of places you can never afford to go. Will "the internet" show you directions to the library where you can use a public internet system?

    7. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by Fwipp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because, as amazing as Basic Income would be, the outrage would be tremendous if anyone got close to passing it.

      It's the best solution, but in today's political climate and for the forseeable future, it's a total non-starter.

      (Also, the FCC isn't really the agency that's able to give poor people cash directly).

    8. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe you believe that the "social compact" requires some, most likely not you, to have their money taken and then given to what YOU believe in. Since this "social compact" is not law, how about we just go with the Constitution. And if YOU wish to be charitable and donate broadband access to people, you do that. My funds earmarked for charity will go elsewhere.

    9. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by fnj · · Score: 2

      Thank you for pointing out that the needy ought to receive more than a patchwork of bandaids. As a long-time flirter with libertarianism and a hater of nanny state excess, it does nonetheless seem to me that unconditional basic income is an idea whose time is due. It should also not involve insulting hoops to jump through to qualify. I do think that basic housing and basic nutrition and of course basic healthcare do need to be separated from any "mad money" which could be squandered unwisely and self-destructively.

      I shouldn't have to, but wearily I hasten to add that frivolous shit must not be allowed to squeeze into these programs. That means frivolous cosmetic surgery, frivolous sex-change mutilation, degenerate drug binging, etc. Not as part of the social compact. Clothing is a tough one. Everybody should have shoes on their feet and adequate clothing for working and living without gross shabbiness, but no one should be able to spend their life preening on public money.

    10. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by Bengie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you should move instead of complaining.

    11. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by Bengie · · Score: 2

      Pay $100 co-pay for a 1am Er visit to take a quick look at something or use video chat and instantly connect with a doctor for free 24/7. Of course the insurance paid the other $900 of the visit.

      An example would be a multi-day fever. I had a 99f fever for server days and spiked to 103f. When I looked on the internet and called a nurse's hotline, everything said to see a doctor. Not because I'm in danger, but because you need to "ask" a doctor. I got to the ER and the doctor just said "Take some ibuprofen, you're fine". Of course the damage had already been done for the bill. Now my insurance allows for 24/7 "free" webcam chats with a real doctor. Saves me money, saves them money, my premium is going down.

      I could see this service being a great money saver for low income families.

    12. Re:The downside is taxpayers... by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      I shouldn't have to, but wearily I hasten to add that frivolous shit must not be allowed to squeeze into these programs.

      Agreed.

      That means frivolous cosmetic surgery, frivolous sex-change mutilation, degenerate drug binging, etc.

      Oh, you were talking about the recipients. I thought you meant the program providers. carry on.

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  9. Re:I get both sides of the argument. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    but there are as many people collecting food stamps undeservedly as legitimately.

    No, there aren't. The "welfare queen" narrative is 1% fact to 99% fantasy.

  10. beta 2 by bloodhawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So is this new retarded fucking share button on Slashdot BETA 2. FIRE YOUR DESIGNERS Slashdot and find someone with half a fucking clue.

  11. How about by TheCreeep · · Score: 2

    Can the FCC subsidize the removal of the new share button on slashdot?

  12. Who needs Congress? by tsotha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What the hell is the bureaucracy doing making these kinds of decisions? Whether this is good policy or not is a separate question, but the FCC should not be taking on additional mandates like this without direction from Congress.

  13. Re:I get both sides of the argument. by Sowelu · · Score: 2

    Wikipedia cites some pretty reliable looking studies under its 'Welfare Fraud' article.

    US Department of Labor reports 1.9% fraud rate in 2001. LA Times reports that 24% of new applications have some form of "inaccuracy", which is anything from colossal lies to small mistakes.

    Your turn. Cite some opposing statistics.

  14. More revenue for companies by symbolic · · Score: 2

    I understand the reason that people might want to consider this, but on the other side of the fence is a company that will benefit from all that extra cash from new customers who could not otherwise afford the service. What will the company who benefits do in return for all this extra revenue coming from tax dollars? If the answer is "nothing" then I'd be in favor of dropping the idea.

  15. Government subsidies increase prices by Beeftopia · · Score: 2

    Government interventions where they pump money into markets on behalf of the poor do three things:

    1) They help the poor.
    2) They harm the middle class.
    3) They have no impact on the wealthy.

    Education, housing, medical care - government pumping money into the system just drives up prices to the detriment of those with moderate incomes.

    Then Wall Street can step and say, "Hey, debt! I mean how much is your life (or your kid's future) worth to you? That's how much it'll cost ya."

  16. ISP Prices will go up by acoustix · · Score: 2

    Mark my words. Internet service will get more expensive because of this. Just like everything else that receives subsidies.

    Typical government thinking it can make things cheaper just by waiving a wand...

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  17. Re:I get both sides of the argument. by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

    A huge chunk of this is from Oklahoma, where vendors have been using looser tribal laws to sign people up without proper (or any) verification.

  18. meh by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not entirely sure any of the stated goals *requires* broadband.
    One can easily job-hunt on the web at 1meg.

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  19. Re:Sure, no downside by dave420 · · Score: 2

    Then surely you're against any sort of state assistance to anyone, as your "slippery slope" argument applies to that. Get a grip.