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The Problems Apple Music Needs To Fix Before Launch

journovampire writes: In less than two weeks, Apple Music arrives for consumers, but it still has some serious problems. Many in the industry are predicting the biggest digital music launch in history, but Apple hasn't even achieved its primary stated goal of de-fragmenting the music market. To illustrate, the article points out that Apple Music catalog is currently missing the current most popular artist (Adele), the most popular artist of the past decade (Taylor Swift), and the most popular artist of all time (The Beatles). The company is also promising a three-month free trial period. Great for customers, but not great for musicians, who won't see a dime from that trial, regardless of how much their music is being played. Apple has likely made you-scratch-my-back deals with the major publishers, but indies have no bargaining power. They've been hesitant to jump on board, and that only decreases the selection. Add to that the complications by DRM, Apple Connect, and the new service flat out not working on some music devices (competitors to Apple, now that they own Beats), and you have a recipe for yet another troubled streaming site.

110 comments

  1. How dare Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Give these "artists" free advertising!

    1. Re:How dare Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Mr. Boomer. Thanks for all that great experience! No one thinks it's worth anything though, and just saying I'll pay for something with experience is apparently not acceptable replacement for rent money. So...I'm homeless, but at least you got me to work for you for free!

      Asshole

    2. Re:How dare Apple by peragrin · · Score: 2

      Adele, Taylor Swift, the beetles, and a few others are also nortorious for not allowing any online distribution of their music.

      Seriously try to find them elsewhere? the big names don't have them or charge extra for them.

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    3. Re:How dare Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I appreciate your attempt at correct spelling, "Beetles" is a bunch of insects. The band is actually spelled "Beatles".

      It's a play on the word "beat", as in the beat of the music.

    4. Re:How dare Apple by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Equally good at music.

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    5. Re: How dare Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny. Google play has Taylor Swift, Adele, and the Beatles all available, and at the same price as Wiz Khalifa.

    6. Re: How dare Apple by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      That's funny. Google play has Taylor Swift, Adele, and the Beatles all available, and at the same price as Wiz Khalifa.

      So does the iTunes store.

  2. Derp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shag em

  3. [citation needed] by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the current most popular artist (Adele)

    [citation needed]

    Add to that the complications by DRM.

    what DRM? You stream the music through the iTunes app. If you want to buy a song or album you download it as a DRM-free mp3. I don't see the complication.

    Apple Connect,

    for the non-fanbois, apple connect is a social media network specifically for music and tied to apple music. Remains to be seen if it can take off considering it is not facebook/twitter.

    and the new service flat out not working on some music devices

    . It works on any apple device. it may also work on some androids, I don't know. check if your device supports it before you do the free trial. if your device doesn't support it, then use a different service (spotify, Pandora) that does support it. no big dea.

    1. Re:[citation needed] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The article is roasting Apple for a lot of things no one but the music industry really cares about, with the exception of getting big acts like Adele and Taylor Swift signed on. But really, whether they do or not, the buying public doesn't really care that much. It is a tempest in a teapot.

      Why? Because Apple is the one with all the customers (maybe listeners) and 780B in the bank.
      Adele and Taylor Swift do not have that. I don't think the listener will care *that much* that those two artists are not available when the rest of the world's catalogue is available for them to stream.

      The independents don't want to sign on because Apple won't compensate them for the 3 months free trial. No money for 3 months, the horror.

      The article makes it sound like everyone is on a 3 month delay without getting paid. This is not true, only the first three months of any new subscriber, Apple is not paying any royalties. Yes as the service launches NO ONE is getting royalty payments for three months. Guess what, listeners will give it a chance for 3 months because they are getting it for FREE.

      Once the stream of money starts flowing no one is going to turn down the money stream. Rich artists like Adele may still not sign up, they no longer need to sign a deal that doesn't suit their terms anyhow, and dead artists don't care about their audience anymore because trust fund babies only want the money.

      The rest of the industry will line up and lap Tim Cook and Jimmy Iovine's nutsacks because Apple will have a huge listening audience for the working artists.

    2. Re:[citation needed] by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      The article is roasting Apple for a lot of things no one but the music industry really cares about, with the exception of getting big acts like Adele and Taylor Swift signed on. But really, whether they do or not, the buying public doesn't really care that much. It is a tempest in a teapot.

      I was actually kind of surprised at the "most popular artist of the last decade" part about Taylor Swift. I knew she was doing indie rock or folk or something back before she went mainstream with 1989. (And yeah, I have to admit that Shake It Off is catchy and well-produced. Just a few seconds of it gets it stuck in my head for quite a while.) But I had no idea that folk or indie draws that large of a following these days. I guess Beyonce really did have something to be jealous of when she sent in her idiot brigade to assault Swift for winning that award that she coveted for herself.

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    3. Re:[citation needed] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew she was doing indie rock or folk or something back before she went mainstream with 1989.

      Country. She started out as a country artist.

    4. Re:[citation needed] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fail. Fail. Fail. Please stick to writing BASIC programs in mum's basement. Apple has about $194B in cash. The company's valuation is over $700B, but that is not money in the bank. Either you don't know anything about finance, or you delusionally believe that Apple owns 100% of APPL stock. What a dolt.

  4. Speculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Apple has likely made you-scratch-my-back deals with the major publishers, but indies have no bargaining power."

    You are just speculating.

    1. Re:Speculation by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Just like the rest of the post.

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    2. Re:Speculation by macs4all · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just like the rest of the post.

      Exactly!

      TFA (where the "F" doesn't stand for "Fine") is nothing more than rampant, trollish speculation. There is simply no way that most of the "facts" in the article can be ascertained before launch.

      And as for the absence of Taylor Swift, she is on record (no pun) as being very against streaming music, period, and has pulled all of her material from Spotify; so no wonder they don't have her signed...

      tl,dr; Nothing to see here, move along.

    3. Re:Speculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      t-swiz is against unpaid streaming music; only 1989 will be unavailable on apple music. she's involved in the hot mess that is tidal as well

    4. Re:Speculation by macs4all · · Score: 1

      t-swiz is against unpaid streaming music; only 1989 will be unavailable on apple music. she's involved in the hot mess that is tidal as well

      ...and, either way, nothing of value would be lost.

  5. At least it's not by s.petry · · Score: 3, Funny

    Zune!

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    1. Re:At least it's not by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Apple has had Zune beaten for years. The official fuck-up scale goes, from least to most severe:

      Windows Vista
      iPhone 4
      Zune
      Apple Maps

      Microsoft has its work cut out to top Apple Maps, and app so bad it could actually kill you.

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    2. Re:At least it's not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with the iPhone 4?

    3. Re:At least it's not by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      He must have been holding it wrong.

  6. Motown by eples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can measure the quality of any streaming music service by typing the word "motown" into the search box.

    Does Motown immediately start playing? A+
    Is there a list of Motown playlists? A
    Does something else happen? Fail.

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    1. Re:Motown by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 0

      If you are a Greek (like i am) you may want to use the word "[note: Slashdot failed to display this word typed in Unicode because it is Slashdot...]" for measuring the quality of any streaming music service - and similary for any other nationality (using some non-Greek, word of course!), with the exception of Americans/British people - there is a huge audience that will not be serviced by the usual streaming music services because those services stream only the usual USA/UK/etc stuff (that i also listen but are not my only or first choice)

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    2. Re:Motown by swillden · · Score: 1

      You can measure the quality of any streaming music service by typing the word "motown" into the search box. Does Motown immediately start playing? A+ Is there a list of Motown playlists? A Does something else happen? Fail.

      I guess by your test, Google Music All Access gets an A, though personally I think what it does is better than immediately playing motown. What it provides is several sections: Motown artists, Motown albums, Motown songs, Motown Radio stations (similar to Spotify), Motown Playlists (apparently put together by users and shared to the world) and Motown videos, each with a selection of a half-dozen choices and a "See All" button that takes you to the rest of the matches for that section.

      Not caring for Motown myself, I can't comment on the quality of the contents of the sections. It all looked pretty reasonable, though.

      Relative to the points in the summary, Google also has Adele and Taylor Swift. Beatles... not so much. There are a bunch of "albums" but most of them are interviews along with a couple of albums including somewhat random songs... but none of their actual album releases. It's also possible that a couple of the music albums I see are not in the library, but were uploaded by me (you can upload your own music and it appears in the streaming service just as though it were part of the library. I think Metallica is also not in the library. I've uploaded all of their albums, so they're all there for me. It's possible I also uploaded some Adele, though there are albums I don't have so they must be from the library. And I don't own any Taylor Swift, so I'm sure all of that is from the library.

      Oh, and Google Music's subscription also includes YouTube MusicKey, so whatever isn't available in the streaming service is almost certainly available there. The Beatles' music is, though not under a music license, so it's not available for download or background play.

      (Disclosure: I work for Google, though I'm speaking here as a satisfied customer of the music service.)

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  7. "Many are predicting..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... while many more will keep getting all the music they want for free, as they have done for the last 20 years. The world music market was worth 34 billions in 1999, now it's barely 15 bln. Have fun.

    1. Re: "Many are predicting..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow the music piracy market is worth ten thousand times more than that

  8. Yeah, how did that happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Apple Music catalog is currently missing [...] the most popular artist of all time (The Beatles)

    That seems odd. Any reasons? (Must keep straight face, must keep straight face, ...)

    1. Re:Yeah, how did that happen? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      No, none whatsoever. Just like the rest of the 'facts' purported by TFP.

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    2. Re:Yeah, how did that happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if you are being super dry or if you are whooshing. But...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer

    3. Re:Yeah, how did that happen? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Apparently, my sarcasm is super dry.

      That might explain a lot of things...

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  9. Who needs Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Really, who needs Apple? I just watched a tear down of Beats Solo headphones and its no surprise they are made of crap. I think the parts costs were estimated at around $16 for a retail of $199. This is no doubt the biggest scam in music reproduction. I'm sure Dr. Dre is laughing all the way to the bank. Apple on the other hand should be embarrassed at not only buying such a racket POS as Beats but it will allow it to tarnish its name. Apple doesn't exactly make oodles of cash by doing what Beats did with headphones. At least Apple throws in some actual good engineering and design in its products. Apple's music service won't be anything really different then a Spotify other then a bit of old nostalgia social interaction with music artist sorta like Apple tried with Ping. In other words, unless your married to Apple with all Apple devices and praise the very ground tim Cook and Jony Ives walk on. You will be just fine using other music services.

    1. Re:Who needs Apple? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I just watched a tear down of Beats Solo headphones and its no surprise they are made of crap. I think the parts costs were estimated at around $16 for a retail of $199.

      1. You do realize, of course, that Apple didn't design those headphones, right?

      2. If you look inside of any (and I do mean any) headphones, you will wonder how anyone could charge so much for so little. But the devil's in the details...

    2. Re: Who needs Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My $60 sennheisers from a few years ago are overkill for damn near all the music I come into contact with. I'm sure there's some music that can use a better set, but mp3s much under 192kpbs variable are obviously poor quality with them.

    3. Re: Who needs Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what field Mr Dre's doctorate is in but I'm sure that anyone who studies to that level must have a certain amount of design skill. I have the utmost respect for those that pursue education that far.

    4. Re:Who needs Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But the devil's in the details"

      And if you're saying is true, then we can assume that Beats has no clue what those details are, because their hardware sounds like shit when compared to similarly priced equipment from other manufactures.

    5. Re:Who needs Apple? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      "But the devil's in the details"

      And if you're saying is true, then we can assume that Beats has no clue what those details are, because their hardware sounds like shit when compared to similarly priced equipment from other manufactures.

      Of course, one man's "sounds like shit" is another man's "that's kickin' ". But I'm really not here to defend Beats. IMHO, it was a stupid acquisition for Apple; but I doubt it would hurt them financially to simply landfill the rest of Beats' inventory and take a writeoff, not by a LONG measure.

      What I was saying, or rather trying to say, is that, if you look inside of 99+% of headphones, regardless of brand or price, they will, by and large, look something like the speaker inside of your first portable radio, or the horrid little thing that goes Beep! Inside of nearly every cheapie tower computer case; when in fact, the thing that looks like a cheapie speaker, is in fact a carefully-engineered driver, with a nice surround and an equally well-engineered, and matched, enclosure, which also just looks like a conveniently-sized injection-molded earcup, of no particular acoustically-tuned design.

      There are exceptions to this rule, of course; but in general, whether the headband says Sennheiser, Sony, Grado, Koss or Beats, it's usually pretty difficult to guess which one sounds "better" without auditioning them yourselves.

      Full disclosure: I have never personally listened to Beats phones; but I figure they are designed with lotsa "thump" in mind, for the "license-plate-rattler" club to use with their iPods/Smartphones, and thus, after the first 20 minutes of "mmmm, that's some nice bass!", I would probably find them too "tubby" and "thick" sounding.

    6. Re:Who needs Apple? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Really, who needs Apple? I just watched a tear down of Beats Solo headphones and its no surprise they are made of crap.

      Because it turned out to be a pair of knock-offs?

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  10. This is why I still buy CDs by CaptainPinko · · Score: 1

    I want to control how my files go digital and what encoding and what DRM and devices to use. That's why I still buy CDs and rip them for my own use.

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    1. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, thats like saying you by software on Floppy Disk.

      CDs/DVDs/Blueray are NOT a long term strategy.

    2. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying that music CDs have never had DRM? Because I doubt that is correct. Even though they are easily crackable most of the time doesn't mean the evil intention of DRM isn't there. Buy DRM free music whenever possible. If you do that, you already aren't wasting any plastic, so there is at least some improvement.

    3. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Yeah, thats like saying you by software on Floppy Disk.

      CDs/DVDs/Blueray are NOT a long term strategy.

      No, but for now, DVD-A, Blu-Ray and SACD are the only way to get higher-quality audio than on any CD, streaming or even almost any downloadable format.

      Too bad the market doesn't seem to care about high-quality audio anymore.

    4. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to control how my files go digital and what encoding and what DRM and devices to use. That's why I still buy CDs and rip them for my own use.

      If you buy CDs, your music is digital in the first place.

    5. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a liar. CDs do not have DRM. Stop projecting your hateful Republican fantasy. They do not have DRM no matter how many lies your kind tells. Go away troll.

    6. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The market *never* cared a about your audiophile bullshit!

      All the market has ever wanted is the ability to listen to the songs they want to listen to with enough quality to drone out everything else.

    7. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The market *never* cared a about your audiophile bullshit!

      All the market has ever wanted is the ability to listen to the songs they want to listen to with enough quality to drone out everything else.

      Your both nuts. There has never been a better time to buy high quality, FLACC / AAC non DRM music tracks. No, it's not iTunes. It's a very niche market compared to Taylor, et. all. But it's there and there is even a decent selection. Not cheap but not terribly expensive either - about the same as an old time vinyl album.

      So mellow out. Listen to Taylor or whatever and leave us alone.

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    8. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by macs4all · · Score: 1

      The market *never* cared a about your audiophile bullshit!

      All the market has ever wanted is the ability to listen to the songs they want to listen to with enough quality to drone out everything else.

      Your both nuts. There has never been a better time to buy high quality, FLACC / AAC non DRM music tracks. No, it's not iTunes. It's a very niche market compared to Taylor, et. all. But it's there and there is even a decent selection. Not cheap but not terribly expensive either - about the same as an old time vinyl album.

      So mellow out. Listen to Taylor or whatever and leave us alone.

      I'd be more than willing to hear what you're talking about. Care to share a link or two?

      And anyone who confuses me for a Taylor fan, or an "audiophile", is sadly mistaken.

    9. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the market doesn't seem to care about high-quality audio anymore.

      There's no market because there's no need. First of all, I have to say, I'm very offended by your user ID. Macs for all? FUCK YOU~! I was forced to use Apple shit back in elementary school. From Steve Jobs fucking over Woz with the Atari chip deal, to the Apple IIs lack of sound chip and sprites, to the black and white macs with one god-damn mouse button and NO graphics processor, to their wallet-raping love of proprietary connectors and soldered-in components, to the software abortions Quicktime and iTunes, to their authoritarian attempts to control the press, to their iPhones that won't support Bluetooth file transfers to non-Apple devices, I despise every single aspect of Apple.

      Having said that, let's get to why there is no need for "high-quality" audio, which by that I assume you mean > 44khz/16-bit. First, concede that you don't understand the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem. You're an Apple user, which means you're not scientifically minded. Thus the formulas expressed on the Wikipedia page are completely lost on you. That's OK. All you need is a square-wave generator, the best speaker you can find, a high fidelity unidirectional microphone connected to a laboratory-grade oscilloscope. Set the generator to produce a 500hz wave. Point the microphone at the speaker and be amazed. Congratulations! You've just learned something that a million dick-sucking audiophiles never could. SPEAKERS CAN'T REPRODUCE SQUARE WAVES. Now, maybe you understand that the jagged, staircase-looking waveform that audiophiles point to and say, "See! The CD isn't giving us smooth sound", is completely irrelevant. Because that waveform IS NOT what comes out of the speaker. Now, 24, 32, 64-bit audio? Useful in the mixing process. Unnecessary everywhere else.

    10. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by macs4all · · Score: 1

      First, ignoring all the ad Hominem attack, Mr. anonymous COWARD, as it so happens, I am an embedded developer with over 4 DECADES of paid experience doing same (and, BTW, often using Apple computers as the development platform), and so DO understand the Nyquist criteria in sampling systems. I also understand that neither the best speaker, nor our own ears, do justice to a square wave, at pretty much any frequency. So what? Very few people listen to music comprised of raw square waves.

      Even a modest-frequency square wave will have harmonics well-past the range of human hearing. Here's a pretty good discussion related to what you are saying.

      HOWEVER, this does not explain the whole thing. It's not about reproducing square waves; digital is rather good at that; but rather, reproducing SINE waves (in the form of harmonics), that is the REAL goal. While you would think that 44.1 ks/s would be enough for anybody (bit-depth being a WHOLE 'nuther discussion; but suffice it to say, 16 bits ain't enough); BUT that doesn't take into account "aliasing", or frequency-foldback, that occurs in sampling systems. For those who are following along, this is akin to "Heterodyning" in analog radio, where you can consider the sample rate as the "carrier" frequency, and for every frequency in the "program" material, the sum and DIFFERENCE between the carrier and program frequency(ies) are produced. This is managed in digitized playback systems by a (usually digital) "brick wall" filter (a low-pass filter with at least a 24/dBV/octave slope).

      For accurate reproduction, You need the sampling high enough that your antialiasing brick-wall filter can be ideally at least an octave above 20 Khz. But you can't get there when all you have is two samples per WAVEFORM for a recorded harmonic approaching or exceeding 20k. This is why things like cymbals, tambourines, bells, and other "metallics" sound so horrible on Red Book CDs.

      Don't get me wrong: I LOVE my CD and AAC/ALAC collection; but there are certain instruments, as mentioned above, that simply aren't captured well, even to a casual-listening-criteria, at 44.1/16, period. I don't know about you, but I don't like cymbals that sound like escaping steam, and tambourines that have aliased frequencies so low they reach down into the upper-bass regions!

      Those artifacts are completely gone on my Meridian Lossless 24/96 versions (DVD-A) or 1-bit DSD (SACD) versions of those same recordings.

      While I agree that 24/96 is a good place to stop, the reason for higher sampling rates and greater bit depths is to allow for DSP manipulation and dithering back down to 24/96 with no loss over the original.

    11. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      I like to control how my music goes digital and when. That's why I only play my vinyl on my hipster turntable.

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    12. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different AC, which btw, your username doesn't have your real name in it, so it's effectively anonymous, pot meet kettle. Second, why are you talking about square waves and nyquist sampling? Square waves are practically speaking, a fantasy, impossible to achieve in the real world due to the fact that they need infinitely high harmonics to produce. Nyquist sampling deals with what your sampling rate should be to represent a signal you're trying to reproduce. If you want to reproduce 20kHz signals, you need to sample them at a rate of at least 40kHz. Also, usually when talking about Nyquist sampling, you're talking about sine waves, not the infinite harmonics of a square wave as already mentioned.

      I didn't read the rest of your post, your 4 decades of embedded experience has clearly not taught you anything about signal analysis, not that that's a bad thing. The two field really have very little to do with each other. I would however ask you in future to not assume because you've done embedded work you understand signal processing.

    13. Re:This is why I still buy CDs by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Different AC, which btw, your username doesn't have your real name in it, so it's effectively anonymous, pot meet kettle>

      Except for the fact that I don't list my real name for Privacy reasons; but YOU and the GP post as AC's simply to protect your precious Slashdot Karma. BIG Difference.

      Second, why are you talking about square waves and nyquist sampling?

      Um, because the stupid GP AC brought them up first. Did you even bother to read the post to which I was Replying?

      I didn't read the rest of your post, your 4 decades of embedded experience has clearly not taught you anything about signal analysis,

      Clearly, you didn't read my post, OR the post to which I Responded. I wasn't touting my embedded experience in an attempt to make any claims about my signal-analysis skills (although, in the real-time industrial control world that I have the most experience, "sampling rate" and the Nyquist Criteria comes up more often than you evidently GUESS it would); but the real reason I brought up my technical background was because the GP AC to which I was responding, made several snide remarks about how "Apple Users" wouldn't understand the Nyquist Theorem, blah, blah, woof, woof. Come to think of it, much like YOU are GUESSING that embedded design doesn't expose someone to signal analysis, just because YOUR idea of embedded design begins and ends with buying a pre-built Raspberry Pi board and flashing some LEDs.

  11. Find a genius to help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These all sound like terrible first-world problems. If only Apple could find a genius somewhere to help them. But where? Think think think... Maybe they need to think differently. They need to take a break and head to the bar...

  12. Re:Engrish as a 2nd ranguage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  13. Those aren't problems for *Apple* by msobkow · · Score: 2

    Those aren't problems for *Apple*. They're "problems" for a very small segment of the consumer market and for indie publishers.

    The revenue Apple would earn from getting those indie publishers on board is *paltry*, so I really don't think they give a damn about them.

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    1. Re:Those aren't problems for *Apple* by msobkow · · Score: 1

      In short, give up on the idea of there *ever* being a "They've got everything" music site. Anyone who puts up a site of any kind will only have agreements with a subset of publishers. That's just a fact of life.

      You can always get the "missing" content from another publisher, or (shock! horror! apoplectic fit!) buy the CD!

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    2. Re:Those aren't problems for *Apple* by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Give up on that idea?

      Why would anyone ever have had that idea?

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    3. Re:Those aren't problems for *Apple* by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      In short, give up on the idea of there *ever* being a "They've got everything" music site. Anyone who puts up a site of any kind will only have agreements with a subset of publishers. That's just a fact of life.

      Especially after the iTunes Music Store debacle that nearly killed the labels.

      Basically the music industry was so happy with iTunes that they kept giving it more and more, and then they realized that they were no longer in control - they were Apple's bitch, and Apple knew that, for they kept strongarming the music labels into 99 cent downloads always.

      With the iPod being the dominant player, it meant any other DRM store was out of the picture. The only break in Apple's stronghold over them was to offer Amazon the ability to sell DRM-free music, which was the only chink in Apple's armor and the only way Amazon could sell music for iPods.

      And with that, Apple wanted to also negotiate DRM-free music, and they industry handed Apple their demands including flexible pricing ($1.29 per track) and other deals Apple had to agree to.

      So no, the music industry will never let one music service control them again - they will deliberately make it so no one has everything.

      The movie industry learned the same lessons, which is why there will never be a store with it all, either.

    4. Re:Those aren't problems for *Apple* by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Read between the lines of what the summary is complaining about. Apparently the slashdroids have that fantasy.

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  14. Indies just need to wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The solution from indies is pretty easy - wait three months after it's launched, so that most people are outside of the trial period.

    1. Re:Indies just need to wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is the 7000 pound gorilla in the room. They've pretty much told everyone that they are assuming if they have the tracks available for sale, they assume they have right to stream on their service, as well. The amount of sheer panic going on through the industry, including the majors, is in its own way amusing. We just need yakkity sax playing as everyone scrambles and start lawyering up. So unless they plan to remove their catalogs completely, well, they're kinda fucked.

  15. Are you swayed by the article? by u19925 · · Score: 2

    I read the article and I am not at all convinced against Apple music. After all during free trial, who cares if I miss few artists. It is not that all of sudden all my other way of listening going to disappear. None of the problems mentioned in the article are bottleneck.

    I don't use any paid streaming service as of now, but I am considering either Spotify and Apple music. But my decision will not have any bearings to whatever nonsense is there in the article.

  16. So, a totally click-bait hit piece light on facts by jo_ham · · Score: 1

    Add to that the complications by DRM, Apple Connect, and the new service flat out not working on some music devices (competitors to Apple, now that they own Beats), and you have a recipe for yet another troubled streaming site.

    So, what? Android devices and Windows are not competitors to Apple?

    Both ecosystems have been explicitly mentioned as supported by Apple during the launch announcement, so I'm curious what "competitors" are going to be "flat out not working"

    We'll ignore the equally false DRM (there isn't any per se - it's a streaming service with a download feature for offline listening that links to the DRM-free store if you want to buy the songs outright.

  17. Wait those are exclusive features by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    Imagine looking through music this not already played on the radio 50 times per day per song. Now THAT is an awesome feature.

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  18. The solution to a 'fragmented' market is.... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    .....yet another streaming music service! Way to go Apple, now you are thinking with gas!

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  19. Beatles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can find Beatles on iTunes
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/the-beatles/id136975

    A prime example of FUD, I'm adding it Wikipedia

    1. Re:Beatles by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I bought The White Album at Half-Price books. It was only six or seven dollars.

      Now I have 'the dongle' that ensures my permanent rights to the MP3s that I rip off the CDs.

      You can't buy anything streamed at a used media store. I like buying books, music, and movies at Half-Price books. I like going there in general.

  20. The biggest problem the need to fix by style7711 · · Score: 1

    The biggest problem they are going to have is customer interest. There are already many steaming music services out there. They don't just have to convince people to try their service. They have to convince people to switch from a service they are already using.

    1. Re:The biggest problem the need to fix by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      If Spotify has only 20 million paying customers and there are 80 million potential Apple streaming customers (numbers from TFA) then there are a metric shitload of people who don't have any skin in the game. Even assuming that a whole bunch aren't interesting in playing it's likely to be pretty good chunk of Apple fanboy change.

      Personally, I'm hoping Apple doesn't run over Spotify and Pandora. Tried Spotify for a while - nice enough but I just don't listen to enough music within Wifi range to justify it - but it certainly has some appeal to a large number of people.

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    2. Re:The biggest problem the need to fix by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Or, the out of the 80 million potential Apple customers only a quarter of them are interested in streaming music since they already a number of choices. Not everyone with an Apple device is going to be interested in streaming music. I'm one of them.

  21. no great loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article is roasting Apple for a lot of things no one but the music industry really cares about, with the exception of getting big acts like Adele and Taylor Swift signed on.

    Their music sucks ass, so the lack of it would improve things.

    1. Re:no great loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like somebody who's never tried listening to Adele or Taylor Swift.

    2. Re:no great loss by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      I tried listening to Taylor Swift, but I started to get abandonment issues and bulimia. At least with Adele I can still have a pasty.

  22. Oh god, who cares? by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    A few overplayed artists aren't on Apple, nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    Also you can't even get good version of, say "The Beatles" on cd since the record companies made them fatal victims of the loudness war after stealing their music.

    1. Re:Oh god, who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Beatles are overrated anyway. The only reason they're "most popular" is because the millions of boomers want their nostalgia neatly bundled up into musical format. Few people in generations before or since actually like the Beatles.

    2. Re:Oh god, who cares? by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      Not true. I'm a generation after the Beatles and all of my friends in high school knew all of their music and had all of their lyrics memorized.

      And if you really care you can get good digital copies of their music though the sources are odd. For instance the best copy of Abby Road is from the initial Japanese CD release (one of the first CDs ever made)... They were slapped down and told they didn't have the right to release it by the parent company, but since digital is eternal, there are flac files out there.

  23. The problem with Apple is compatibility... by russbutton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem with Apple gear is that it isn't compatible with Apple gear, let alone anyone else's. Once you buy into the Apple eco-system, you're screwed. Here are a couple of stories.

    One friend had a MacBook which was 4 years old. She purchased a new Airport Extreme, Apple's home router. The only way to manage the Airport Extreme is with Apple's Airport Utility. The version of Mac OS X had an older version of Airport Utility that wasn't compatible with the router. Furthermore she couldn't upgrade the version of Mac OS X on her laptop to the current rev because it was 4 years old. In order to install the Airport Extreme, she had to borrow a new iPad.

    Every other home router on the planet is managed through a web browser interface. There's NOTHING about the Airport Utility that you couldn't do with a browser interface, but noooo... It's an Apple product so you HAVE to use their app to manage it, and if you don't have a current Apple platform to do it from, you're screwed.

    Another friend purchased a new iPhone 6 and found that iTunes wouldn't work for him with his laptop. Again, he had to upgrade Mac OS X. His laptop was new enough that it could go up to the current rev of OS X, so he got his iTunes working. But then his ProTools wouldn't work with the new OS X. Three years of studio recordings were lost.

    Apple stuff is not only not compatible with other platforms, it's not compatible with itself. Anyone who buys into the Apple eco-system is going to run up against this kind of problem.

    1. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by Silicon-Surfer · · Score: 1

      Exactly which 4 year old MacBook can't runthe latest Mac OS? It's officially supported on MacBooks back to 2007/8. And why is it Apple's fault that an old version of Pro Tools won't run on the latest Mac OS? Your friend could have just updated Itunes on his older OS (it runs on anything after 10.6.8), and in fact you don't even need iTunes to use an iPhone...

    2. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by russbutton · · Score: 1

      I don't know what MacBook it is my friend has. All I know is that she can't update to the current rev of Mac OS X. All these super thin MacBooks look the same to me, so I can't tell you just how old it is or what's the model number.

      As for ProTools breaking, it certainly is Apple's fault that an older product does not work. I've got shell scripts I wrote 15 years ago which work fine on any Linux system today. I use an 8 year old $100 laptop running Windows 7 to do location recording with a 13 year old version of CoolEdit to record to. Works fine. And that version of CoolEdit would run under Windows 10. Heck, I could probably get it to run under Wine.

      I have another 8 year old laptop that runs Ubuntu 1404 LTS which acts as the music server for my hi-end audio system, using the Banshee application.

      Can you imagine anyone using a 6 year old Mac and have it work with anything Apple new? Nahhhhh...

    3. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Why doesn't she just run the oldr version of Airport Utility? I did that since it has some features I like and last time I checked you could still download it from Apple.

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    4. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by russbutton · · Score: 1

      The older version of the Airport Utility isn't compatible with the new Airport Extreme. Beyond that, there is no good reason that an Airport Extreme should be managed by anything other than a web browser. Because Apple requires you to use the Airport Utility, you have to upgrade your Mac OS X rev to be compatible. But if your hardware is too old, you then have to upgrade the hardware as well.

      Linux runs just fine on an 8 year old laptop with all the newest tools. It comes with a variety of excellent IDEs to choose from as well as any number of different windowing systems you can pick from. The latest software runs just fine on an 8 year old piece of hardware. Apple forces you to spend, spend, spend to keep everything working together and it just age well.

    5. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you imagine anyone using a 6 year old Mac and have it work with anything Apple new? Nahhhhh...

      You're full of shit. Any four year old Macbook *is* upgradeable to the latest version of Mac OS X, and *is* able to run the time airport utility software.

      Your friend's Macbook is either FAR older than 4 years old, or she is lying.

    6. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You don't know much about Macs - my 2008 MacPro is running 10.10.3 (Yosemite) and according to Apple, should run the next iteration (El Capitan). The only thing I had to do is replace the video card (who runs 7 year old video cards on anything?). My wife has a 2010 MacBook Pro which also will run 10.11.

      Yes, there are Linux distros out there that will boot off an 8 inch floppy. That's impressive, but it's not Apple's MO.

      And you can use command line programs to manipulate Airports. Even the old ones. Now that is pretty edge case and not well documented but a brief search shows you what you need to know.

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    7. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why is it Apple's fault that an old version of Pro Tools won't run on the latest Mac OS?

      Speaking as a software engineer who has had to deal with maintaining backwards compatibility, yeah it is Apple's fault. Backwards compatibility is really expensive, way more than most managers realize. But it is also very valuable. Windows goes through so many great lengths to maintain backwards compatibility that people don't realize. They essentially patch unsupported software just to keep it working. Many compatibility issues are bugs in programs and not the OS, but Windows has a huge list of workarounds to ensure these bugs are still minimized on newer operating systems.

      There is a lot I don't like about Windows but I have deep respect for the effort involved in maintaining backwards compatibility over the years. A good platform is one that is stable no matter what or why. Pro Tools might have some ugly bug in it that depended on an undocumented feature of MacOS; but so what? An OS that doesn't maintain compatibility is not worth purchasing.

    8. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      The first Intel MacBook Pros didn't last as long. They had the Core Duo processor which wasn't compatible with 10.7. I think the next iteration of the laptops had the Core 2 Duo (which were 64-bit instead of 32-bit) and where supported longer. But I didn't get 7 years of current OS X releases on that laptop. It ran for a long time though.

    9. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      I bought a used 2009 macbook recently, updated to the latest version of the SAME 64 bit os, and lo and behold, hardware and software that should work with it didn't, because mavericks didn't like it. Of course, there was no discs included with the used macbook, so I had to downgrade to an older version that did. That was pretty shitty. Then, I was gonna bootstrap xp on it too (to use some old DAW software that doesn't like vista+), but noooo, even the version I downgraded to limits how far back I can bootstrap to (win7). Fucking lamesauce all around. Probably wouldn't have had to torrent all the stuff that WAS compatible if they weren't such dicks.

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    10. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Apple expects you to upgrade. Part of what makes a unified ecosystem is that everyone is essentially on the same version of everything. They are pretty open about that and its been policy for a long time. 3 years of studio recordings were not lost btw Pro Tools has a version which supports the current operating system.

    11. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I like the fact that we have unified ecosystem. Stuff breaking means forced upgrades and allows developers to know that everyone is on the latest version of everything. The cost of the upgrades are low because it helps everyone to be upgrading and we get features far faster than the Windows eco system where the time between first availability of a feature in the OS and every application depending on it can be 20 years.

    12. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 1

      OS X 10.11 El Capitan System Requirements:
      MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, Late 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later)
      MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later), (15-inch, Mid/Late 2007 or later), (17-inch, Late 2007 or later)

      (source)

      Mind you that's the unreleased OS X version currently in beta! And it definitely supports ANY MacBook or MacBook Pro shipped in 2009. And a lot of them shipped before then. (There was no 13-inch MacBook Pro shipped in early 2009.)

      Furthermore your Mac doesn't support Win8 under bootcamp because the drivers that are included for your Mac model don't support windows 8. You can try to install it manually and then maybe you'll find up-to-date drivers for the hardware. It'll probably work, depending on what "unsupported" Mac you have but it's quite simply "unsupported."

    13. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple Menu -> About This Mac

      OS X El Capitan
      Version 10.11
      MacBook Air (13-inch, Late 2010)

      Not quite 6 years, but you were saying?

    14. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three years of studio recordings were lost.

      Backups, Backups, Backups!

      And it's not like it's hard to have a Mac back itself up with Time Machine either.

    15. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've just not quite succinctly summed up what causes most of the issues with Windows. Maintaining all of that cruft and workarounds in the name of backwards compatibility does not exactly help the stability of the underlying operating system.

    16. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by russbutton · · Score: 2

      You're quite right when you say I don't know much about Macs. I have no idea what is the current rev of OS X, so Yosemite and El Capitan are just noise to me. The point here is that my friend's Mac apparently couldn't be upgraded to run a compatible version of the Airport Utility in order to manage her new Airport Extreme, which is absurd. Were the Airport Extreme to have a web based management interface, like EVERY OTHER consumer router on the planet, her old Mac, as well as any other machine with a web browser, could have managed it.

      As for running Linux on old hardware, it's not just that it runs. It's *USEFUL* too on old hardware.

      As for the CLI to manage the Airport Extreme, what makes you think that rev of the CLI would work if the Airport Utility wouldn't? The GUI is just a front-end to the CLI.

      The point here is that Apple's gear isn't compatible with itself over time, and it forces people to purchase upgrades unnecessarily. I suppose the best thing you could say for it is that its clearly a successful business model...

    17. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by russbutton · · Score: 1

      The 3 years of studio recordings can be recovered if my friend purchases a new ProTools license...

      Spend, spend, spend...

    18. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (disclaimer, I own no stock in apple) Sounds to me like 'hearsay'. I'm not an apple lover (however, use it for work, and have been using it for work since snow leopard) my main desktop (and gaming PC) is windows 10 (insider build 10130). That being said, It's one thing to have a problem with apple products, it's quite another to troll. You sir, are trolling. You can claim stupidity all you want, but stupidity does not make you innocent of the crime (ignorance) itself.

    19. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      You're quite right when you say I don't know much about Macs. I have no idea what is the current rev of OS X, so Yosemite and El Capitan are just noise to me. The point here is that my friend's Mac apparently couldn't be upgraded to run a compatible version of the Airport Utility in order to manage her new Airport Extreme, which is absurd. Were the Airport Extreme to have a web based management interface, like EVERY OTHER consumer router on the planet, her old Mac, as well as any other machine with a web browser, could have managed it.

      As for running Linux on old hardware, it's not just that it runs. It's *USEFUL* too on old hardware.

      As for the CLI to manage the Airport Extreme, what makes you think that rev of the CLI would work if the Airport Utility wouldn't? The GUI is just a front-end to the CLI.

      The point here is that Apple's gear isn't compatible with itself over time, and it forces people to purchase upgrades unnecessarily. I suppose the best thing you could say for it is that its clearly a successful business model...

      All very well, but it comes off as baseless Apple bashing - you admit yourself that you don't know anything about it. The Airport Extreme is controlled by an application and always has been, and the system requirements are listed on the box. Your original comment posited an impossible situation - I can't think of any combination of Apple laptop hardware and AE hardware that would result in incompatibility if the time is restricted to 4 years.

      Sure the choice of using an app to control the AE is an unusual one, but it works on Windows, OS X and iOS and it works on pretty much everything.

      My thought is that you have fudged the numbers a little to make it sound worse than it is. The 6th Gen Extreme (that requires Lion to set up on OS X) was released in 2013 and the last Mac laptop that can't run that was released in early 2006 which is 7 years, since it came out in June 2013.

      If it's any AE earlier than the 6th gen then the software will run on any Mac released in the last 13 years (going back to the PowerPC G4 era).

      If you're going to tell tall tales, you might not want to tell them about things that (you personally have admitted) you know nothing about.

      But what am I saying? I'm interrupting an anti-Apple circle jerk. My apologies, carry on.

    20. Re: The problem with Apple is compatibility... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      My MacBook Pro from 2010 is running the latest OSX. My MBP from 2008 ran Lion and the AirPort Extreme app would run on that. You are a liar and the people who modded your post up are morons.

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    21. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure you understand what I said.
      To clarify: My used Macbook came with Snow Leopard, and I automatically updated to Yosemite, because I didn't know any better. A piece of hardware(M-Audio Firewire Audiophile) and some software(Native Instruments Komplete 2) I had expected to work, because I thought, "hey, osx = osx, right?" didn't. I had to downgrade to the last possible version that was known to be working with the hardware, Lion. The software still didn't work. I was then going to bootcamp to WindowsXP, as I know both the hardware and software works with it. The Bootcamp tool in Lion will only let me use Windows 7 or later, which is retarded.

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    22. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I apologize for my immature outburst. Hope you're having a good weekend.

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    23. Re:The problem with Apple is compatibility... by russbutton · · Score: 1

      Hi Tatsu! There really was no way to respond to your earlier post. You must have been having a bad day. What I wrote is what I know to the best of my understanding. Apple makes some very pretty products, but I see little functionality that distinguishes Apple from the alternatives. What has always disturbed me about Apple is that everything they sell costs nearly twice what it does from everyone else, and they justify it by claiming theirs is a superior product. Furthermore the Apple Fan Boys seem to see themselves as being superior themselves for having chose Apple products. That's great for Apple because it gets people spending a lot of money, and then spending more to continually upgrade because their products are not backwardly compatible. And this is all because Apple products are superior?

      The two stories I cited are examples of what I see are fundamental flaws in the Apple Way and I feel should give people a reason to step back and re-think the whole paradigm.

  24. I've seen this exact complaint before by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problems in this article apply to any streaming service. It's what happens when a new technology collides with the writhing mass of overwrought little Hollywood egos that is the entertainment business.

    Look at the example of television. Though in the old days we complained about having to sit through commercials, the sponsored broadcast model was one that everyone understood and was able to use nationwide without much thought. When cable came along, you had to pick out service tiers, but it brought TV to all those places where it had never seen seen before.

    Enter streaming. For broadcast networks which have always used the sponsored-by-commercials model, this could have been a chance to use the reach of the Internet to provide "infinity" broadcast range to each over-air network. Networks began to make shows available on streaming after each air date, and it looked as though we were on our way to TV utopia. Miss a show and you can see it online; for sponsors, their reach is now vastly expanded both in space (programs becoming visible outside of city antenna range) and time (vacationers are watching your commercials after they get back to town and stream their favorites). As a bonus, Internet streaming gives broadcasters viewer metrics that make the old Neilsen diaries look like cave wall drawings.

    But no service model is so simple and beautiful that Hollywood can't screw it up. Some shows can't be streamed because a TV "Adele" considers her ego worth trashing the service model for. Other shows disappear after a few episodes, so if you're away for a month you will never see them at all. Industry middlemen, the medallion cabdrivers of the business, want to flimflam double and triple sets of fees out of users, which is why a lot of over-the-air content hides behind those miserable "verify your cable provider" interfaces online. The result: we, the users, are sticking to our torrents until the mess clears up. If Apple wants to make music as simple and accessible to all by subscription as Netflix DVDs are for the movie business, it will have to strongarm Hollywood in the same way Netflix did, by becoming a default standard means of access that nobody will mess with.

  25. Ridiculous anti-Apple clickbait by Bogtha · · Score: 1

    Apple hasn't even achieved its primary stated goal of de-fragmenting the music market

    Really? You criticise them for it not being a success before they've even launched the damn thing? No other company gets berated for not achieving its goals for a product pre-launch. This is just another of those bizarre articles that holds Apple to not just an unattainable standard, but a standard that doesn't even make sense.

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  26. The real problem... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    Apple's real problem is that they need to fix the bloated mess that they call iTunes (and the Podcast app).

  27. Re:Engrish as a 2nd ranguage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple has likely made you-scratch-my-back deals

    This is not, in fact, an actual saying in English; care to try again? :p

    Making stupid fucking smilie and winkie faces, etc. aren't part of any language; at least not used by those with a mental age over 14.

    Yet you can't make a comment without them.

    Who's the retard here?

  28. Off-Topic by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The problem with Apple gear is that it isn't compatible with Apple gear

    You have already failed in several ways from the outset.

    1) Apple Music is not "gear". it's a service.
    2) Apple Music will be available for Android, not just "Apple Gear".
    3) The Airport case you bring up is annoying but pretty unique, mostly Apple Gear works fine with other Apple Gear (including iTunes supporting the very oldest iPods still).

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  29. It needs... by grahamtriggs · · Score: 1

    They need to make it work with network streaming devices (Sonos, Bluesound, etc.), not just computers and phones, and have an option for lossless.

    Without them, it's dead to me.