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Are Girl-Focused Engineering Toys Reinforcing Gender Stereotypes?

theodp writes: VentureBeat's Ruth Read casts a skeptical eye at the current rage of toy segregation meant to inspire tomorrow's leaders in STEM: "Toys geared at girls serve to get them interested in coding and building when they're young, hopefully inspiring their educational interests down the road. But these gendered toys may be hurting women by perpetuating a divide between men and women." Read concludes, "Ultimately, girls (who will become women) are going to have to learn and work in a world where genders are not segregated; as will men. That means they need to learn how to interact with one another as much as they need to be introduced to the same educational opportunities. If STEM education is as much for girls as it is for boys, perhaps we should be equally concerned with getting boys and girls to play together with the same toys and tools, as we are with creating learning opportunities for girls."

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  1. Equality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Both genders should have the same opportunities. They don't necessarily have the same interests.

    1. Re:Equality by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Both genders should have the same opportunities. They don't necessarily have the same interests.

      And the more "gender equality on opportunities" for a society, the more evident the -biology based- gender differences on interests becomes (since boys choose boy toys/jobs and girls choose girl toys/jobs, because they feel free to choose what they like): a great documentary (first watch it after a fellow Slashdoter posted a couple of months ago) from -maybe the most "gender equality" society of the world- Norway (with English subtitles), called "The Gender Equality Paradox", with -among other things- scientists proving the gender biological differences (with "toy experiments" on children), plus... "religious feminists" ignoring science!

      note: the documentary was made from a usual extreme political correct Norwegian person... not a sexist Greek like me - so: watch it!

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    2. Re:Equality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, not everything where men currently dominate. Not mining, not oil rig work, not farming, not anything involving manual or dangerous labour.

      Only fields where there's lots of money and\or social status

    3. Re:Equality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are we lacking in programers? Why do they have to be women? These people talk about equality, but then turn around and say we need women and not men. If you want to be equal you talk about how many new programers we need, not which gender we need to fill the jobs.

      These people are never happy, they are like forum trolls, they make their living being angry.

    4. Re:Equality by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 5, Informative

      At 22.22 of the video: a test on newborn (one day old!) babies, where they present them a mechanical object and a face: boys look longer on mechanical object, girls look longer on face!

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    5. Re:Equality by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, not everything where men currently dominate. Not mining, not oil rig work, not farming, not anything involving manual or dangerous labour.

      There was actually a lawsuit a while ago about a company that wouldn't let women work in the car battery division. Because of the risk of lead getting into the workers' systems, and the effects of lead on a developing fetus, no woman of child-bearing age was allowed to work there, unless she had her tubes tied.

      Of course, the job paid more than other areas, because the men and older women who worked there were exposing themselves to lead poisoning every day.

      http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03...

      other stories of it: https://www.google.com/webhp?c...

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  2. Re:Why not nursing by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have daughters. I work in IT. I have tried all sorts of shit to get them into it and give them an unfair advantage in life but there's precisely zero interest in it whatsoever. All they want to do is gymnastics and dancing, they love that stuff and spend every waking hour doing it. One day they will grow up and probably have average jobs earning mediocre wages while my mate's son, who absolutely loves anything technical and is years ahead of every other kid his age, is earning huge dollars in some technology field. In 15 years some feminist somewhere will compare their wages and blame misogynist men for all of that.

  3. Re:There's no winning with the feminist crowd... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The right thing to do would be to make engineering toys that aren't "for" anyone.

    That was the first option I mentioned. Just making engineering toys. When I was a kid, I had some female cousins around my age and we'd play with Lincoln Logs and Lego blocks all the time. They were just toys. Then they had their dolls and I had my Star Wars action figures. There were some things we both liked, and other things we didn't. But that's not good enough. There's an insistence that we need more women in STEM because patriarchy, or whatever, and that these toys need to be designed to interest them. Then when somebody comes out and designs toys to interest girls in STEM, the complaint is that they're too girly. That was the entire point of my previous post.

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  4. Re:Wow, just wow... by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe we should create a special girls-only class to teach girls about how to live in a world where they won't receive special treatment.

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  5. Re:A mixed bag by microTodd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, here's my anecdote with a sample size of n=2. I have a son and a daughter.

    When I bought my very first LEGO set for them, it was a generic box of plain shapes. Something like this.

    My son played with them. My daughter didn't. So I bought this and mixed the pieces in. The "draw" of the cutesy pieces drew my daughter in. Now she plays with all the pieces.

    So...yeah. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think they just "color it pink". Probably a bunch of focus testing and playtesting occurs so they know what draws girls to the toys.

    Now, a related question...why did pink and cats draw her in? Is it innate? Or is it something she was taught by society? To that question, I have no answer.

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