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Apple To Pay Musicians For Free Streams, After All

vivaoporto writes: As reported on Re/code, Apple media boss Eddy Cue appears to have capitulated and Apple Music will be paying music owners for streaming even during customers's free trial period. He says Taylor Swift's letter, coupled with complaints from indie labels and artists, did indeed prompt the change.

Cue says Apple will pay rights holders for the entire three months of the trial period. He explains that it can't be at the same rate that Apple is paying them after free users become subscribers, since Apple is paying out a percentage of revenues once subscribers start paying. Instead, he says, Apple will pay rights holders on a per-stream basis.

No word from Swift or her camp about whether Apple's move is enough to get her to put "1989," her newest album, on Apple Music. On Twitter, she says, "I am elated and relieved. Thank you for your words of support today. They listened to us."

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  1. Yey! by qrwe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple finally has Swift support!

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    1. Re:Yey! by Ant2 · · Score: 2

      How long have you been saving that?

  2. The Swift Army: an important demographic for Apple by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never underestimate the marketing power of 20 million tweenage girls.

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  3. Am I included? by mccalli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So here's an interesting one. I am a musician in my spare time, and I have an album up on iTunes. It's a good job my life's income doesn't depend on this - we are talking tiny sums of money made, but it is my album and it's an achievement for me to have an album out there and hey - there are people that like it.

    I have no idea if this album is included in streaming or not. I'm not signed to a label, and nobody has asked me if I want to be included or excluded. I would have thought, given the talk of "pulling the album" etc. that there must be a separate agreement I should have to make but I haven't seen anything at all about it.

    The music was published via an intermediary, Ditto Music, but they're just a publishing service and not a label. In fact, I own the label it was published under and that is the label's sole release to date. What's the situation for musicians like me? Included, excluded, paid, unpaid...?

    1. Re:Am I included? by jbolden · · Score: 2

      You don't have a label (except the one you own) and you have never released it. Unless your self-owned label signed a distribution agreement Apple won't have access at all.

    2. Re:Am I included? by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      The music was published via an intermediary, Ditto Music, but they're just a publishing service and not a label. In fact, I own the label it was published under and that is the label's sole release to date. What's the situation for musicians like me? Included, excluded, paid, unpaid...?

      That intermediary would be like a record company, just a very small one. I would assume that the intermediary should receive some letter from Apple that needs to be signed and returned. Is the contact information still correct? If the intermediary cannot be contacted, I would assume that you will not be included in streaming. If you missed the letter or didn't return it, you will not be included in streaming. If you check "No streaming", you will not be included in streaming. If you check "streaming" you will be included and should be paid.

    3. Re:Am I included? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      My recommendation is to ask on Slashdot right away and then pick and choose the answer you like from the many different answers you get. Whatever you do, don't contact Apple and ask them!

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    4. Re:Am I included? by macs4all · · Score: 2

      Do you have the money to fight them? No? Then it's included and unpaid.

      Citation, please.

    5. Re:Am I included? by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 2

      "we are talking tiny sums of money made"

      Do you know why? It isn't that you aren't a talented musician, it is because you don't have one of those "big bad record companies" backed by the RIAA behind you. Those people market the music for you. They MAKE "musicians" successful. They don't even call them musicians now, just "artists".

      Slashdotters like to rail against the RIAA and record companies but the fact is that all the music they listen to is because of marketing by those entities, even the "indie" bands they listen to.

      Good point! Do you have some information on the advance fees - and the number of "artists" that don't get "priority" promoted? (just some context, it's not much to ask is it?).

  4. Isn't it funny by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    how LAWS weren't what prompted the change.

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  5. so much for Think Different by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Meet the new boss, just as sleazy and thieving as the old boss.
    well, at least until called out on it....

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  6. Re:The Swift Army: an important demographic for Ap by jabuzz · · Score: 4, Informative

    More likely USA based Apple lawyers finally got around too consulting with their European counterparts and discovered that what the opting in without written confirmation that they where proposing to do was flat out illegal over here.

  7. Re:The Swift Army: an important demographic for Ap by nospam007 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Never underestimate the marketing power of 20 million tweenage girls."

    Exactly, because the 20 million teenage boys torrent their music.

  8. I'll give Apple some credit by LihTox · · Score: 2

    In my experience a company in these circumstances would pretend to have changed their policy on their own (coincidentally), or they were just "clarifying" their policy due to "misunderstanding". It looks like Apple is actually admitting that they messed up, which is good.

  9. Re:What's the album? by mccalli · · Score: 2

    I deliberately didn't in case seen as spam but - here you go. Am currently in the "difficult second album" phase - all written, not quite satisfied with the production.

  10. Paying for WHAT? by mi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The information wants to be free, and the artists aren't any worse off for having their tunes downloadable by millions of people — they still have their own copies, so no theft has occurred, right? Right?

    Intellectual property — as I read on this very site — is an artificial and oppressive construct and must be resisted!

    Troll my foot — do try to reconcile Slashdot's usual attitude towards rights of intellectual property owners with the celebratory attitude in reaction to TFA.

    I dare you to come up with a coherent explanation of why pirating music (or duplicating patented designs, whatever) is Ok for some people and corporations, but not for Apple...

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    1. Re:Paying for WHAT? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Few people would object to granting artists a reasonable term of copyright, or to paying them for their work. Of course one can argue about what is "reasonable", but when looking at the original goals of patents and copyright, it is pretty clear that the duration of these have been extended to ridiculous lengths. Other unreasonable restrictions apply: IP holders think it is completely natural and acceptable to ask consumers to pay the full price multiple times for the same content in order to play it on different devices or to play it after upgrading their equipment to a different standard. Couple that with the fact that most labels pay a pittance to artists (have a platinum album and you can still be in the hole with the label), and the public soon loses its sense of paying a fair price for a fair value. So they pirate.

      Personally I am OK with pirating stuff in order to send a message (whether they get it is another issue). Our government for a long time was of the same opinion, and decided not to prosecute people pirating stuff for personal use, as long as there was no reasonable legal alternative. For music, there are plenty of reasonable and affordable choices, and I haven't pirated music in the past 10 years or so. Movies and series are a different story; I still pirate these, but I did subscribe to HBO and Netflix to pay for their content that I "steal" from them. If Warner Bros or Sony offer me to buy a reasonably priced "license" for movies I've pirated from them (or better: include a convenient store with downloads), I'll pay them as well. e-Books? I'll pay for them if you'll sell them to me. If you refuse to sell to me for whatever reason (region), and offer insult to injury by offering me the physical book instead, then it's FU and off to the Pirate Bay for me.

      What Apple did was something else. They decided to offer music on a free trial basis and not charge for that, in order to promote their new service (and presumably the music as well). That's fine, and in the end it could even have been beneficial to the artists, but Apple did not have the right to make that decision for the artists. If Amazon started to give away sellers' items for free for a while and not reimburse those sellers, they'd be pissed, and rightly so.

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    2. Re:Paying for WHAT? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple did not have the right to make that decision for the artists

      Here's the thing, though: Apple does not have the right to make that decision for the artists. However, under current law, those artists' record labels may have the right to make that decision for their artists, and if the record labels signed off on the whole thing, it's not Apple's fault that the artists are unhappy and feel blindsided.

  11. Re:Who are those nutters who PAY for music in 2015 by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The people paying for the music because they see value in the artist/music are subsidizing you.

    Congrats, you're the welfare abuser of music.

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  12. Maybe ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... Taylor Swift can pressure Dice to fix the Slashdot UI next.

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  13. Re:The Swift Army: an important demographic for Ap by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Euro-laws. The very reason your economy sucks and you have 20% unemployment.

    Good point. That's why so many Europeans work two full time jobs and live in their cars. Lucky for Europe a large percentage of their population is in prison or the economy of so many towns built entirely on the local prisons, would collapse.

    Oh wait - that is the USA.

    Oh well, lucky for the USA the entire European economy is built on debt... oh, crap - that is the USA too.

  14. Re:The Swift Army: an important demographic for Ap by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3

    [citation needed], because from the reporting I've heard, they negotiated new deals with the record labels. That's why it's getting reported that a lot of music from iTunes is still missing from Apple Music. They didn't opt anyone in without their permission.

  15. No deposit, no return. by westlake · · Score: 2

    Exactly, because the 20 million teenage boys torrent their music.

    Then why not put all your assets into production for the girls who are willing and able to pay for your product?

  16. Re:What's the album? by astrojetsonjr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And the plug worked! Listened to a few samples and decided to get it. Since I'm an instant gratification junky rather than wait and get it for free in a few days I threw money at Amazon. Look for your $0.02 royalty check in next months mail :)

  17. Re:The Swift Army: an important demographic for Ap by radarskiy · · Score: 2, Informative

    "And speaking of debt... last I checked, Greece isn't in the US..."

    The debt issue in Greece is the public (government) debt, not private (personal) debt. Also, public debt per capita is about 1/3 more for the US as compared to Greece.

  18. Re:The Swift Army: an important demographic for Ap by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Actually quite a few European labels were refusing to sign up with Apple. They couldn't get Adele, for example, because her label was refusing to sign on. They released a statement today saying they would be on board.

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  19. Re:Apple picks up the costs by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

    It seems unfair since the artists since the artists are receiving some benefit of exposure during the trial too. I think it would be fair to have some sort of reduced fees during the trial period to recognize the fact that Apple still has expenses related to providing the service.

    Can you think of an example of that happening in any other industry?

    I'm opening a new store specializing in _____. Please send me some of your inventory at no cost to me so that I can offer it for less or free in order to attract future paying customers to my business. Eventually I'll start paying you for your product.

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  20. ... like Taylor Swift robs photographers ... by John+Bokma · · Score: 2
    Apple Music wanted to rob artists like Taylor Swift robs photographers

    To not pay artists during Apple Music’s free three-month trial period is exploitive, the singer-songwriter suggested, not to mention “shocking” and “disappointing.”

    So forgive music photographer Jason Sheldon if he is unable to Shake It Off and is bothered by the hypocrisy of her stance. Editorial photographers assigned to shoot her shows must sign away rights to their photos, preventing them from being paid while giving Swift unlimited use of the pictures for publicity and promotion.

    Source: http://www.cultofmac.com/32698...