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Why Is Google Opening a New Data Center In a Former Coal-Fired Power Plant?

HughPickens.com writes: Quentin Hardy reports at the NY Times that Google has announced it is opening its 14th data center inside a former coal-fired power plant in Stevenson, Alabama. While there is considerable irony in taking over a coal-burning plant and promoting alternative power, there are pragmatic reasons Google would want to put a $600 million data center in such a facility. These power facilities are typically large and solid structures with good power lines. The Alabama plant is next to a reservoir on the Tennessee River with access to lots of water, which Google uses for cooling its computers. There are also rail lines into the facility, which makes it likely Google can access buried conduits along the tracks to run fiber-optic cable. In Finland, Google rehabilitated a paper mill, and uses seawater for cooling. Salt water is corrosive for standard metal pipes, of course, so Google created a singular cooling system using plastic pipes.

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  1. King Frosty is coal fired too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    much coal, very frost, royal, wow!

  2. Like... by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 2

    Why not?

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    1. Re:Like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "Why Not?" aside. How about the why?
      Maybe it has something to do with the... "Alabama Data Processing Center Economic Incentive Enhancement Act" and the incentives it proffers ;)

  3. Why Is Google Opening a New Data Center In a... by skirmish666 · · Score: 4, Funny
    HughPickens.com writes:

    Reasons

    Mystery solved.

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    1. Re:Why Is Google Opening a New Data Center In a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever considered eating your own turds?

    2. Re:Why Is Google Opening a New Data Center In a... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      HughPickens.com writes:
      Reasons
      Mystery solved.

      Noooooooo ! ! ! ! And I thought that Google were the last remaining bastion of making major business decisions on the grounds of a Tarot hand.

      What is the world coming to? What did that bastard Democritus start? We should never have banged those rocks together!

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  4. isn't it obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    it's because coal is the future, and google is getting into the coal power business. duh!

    pretty soon, they'll be introducing a coal-powered autonomous car where the steering wheel is replaced with a simple search box, and all of the windows are replaced with ads.

    i can't wait!

    1. Re:isn't it obvious? by swb · · Score: 1

      I think I've run into a couple of dystopian stories which involve a resurgence of coal usage.

      Some are kind of post-ecological failure, where the population lives in domed cities and is energy dependent to keep the domes functioning. I think one involved a crisis several years into a continent-wide drought that required a massive desalination and pumping project to prevent literally running out of water.

    2. Re: isn't it obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody cares what kind of shit childish tripe you read, masturbator boy.

  5. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because it was cheap and fit their needs?

  6. Irony? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 2

    Google takes over coal powerplant, converts to data center and installs a bunch of renewables?

    That's...not irony.

    1. Re:Irony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's...not irony.

      Might be... coppery?

    2. Re:Irony? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I agree, It isn't that Coal Power is competing against Google. Heck what took most coal power plants out of business wasn't "Green" or renewable energy, but the US current glut of Cheap Natural Gas. While much cleaner then coal, is still a carbon polluting source. I work in a hospital, they have purchased some old out of business convince store buildings and but offices in them... Is that any more ironic?

      If I ran a business I would love to have refurbish an old Barn and turn it into an open office design. A tech company based in a turn of the 20th century barn. Would that have any more irony?

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    3. Re:Irony? by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

      It's like acid rain on your wedding day.

    4. Re:Irony? by dissy · · Score: 1

      If I ran a business I would love to have refurbish an old Barn and turn it into an open office design. A tech company based in a turn of the 20th century barn. Would that have any more irony?

      That reminds me of a guy I knew a little over 20 years ago back in the BBS era.

      I was a wide-eyed youth at 15-16 years of age, and met another sysop from in town who prior I only knew as the guy with a massive 48 node BBS that put a lot of our setups to shame.

      While I was still fighting with the phone company to have a third POTS line run to my apartment so I could finally add a Second BBS node (ofc it was really my moms apartment, and line #1 was the house phone line), many of us wondered just what sort of business this 48 node BBS guy was running to make the kind of money needed for such a setup.

      Turns out he did exactly as you said, he moved into a barn to live in cheaply and spent his excess real-job money on his hobby.

      Although that part did seem a bit out of the ordinary, I must admit I was at the time way more interested in learning about PRIs over POTS, Ascend Max dialup concentrators over serial based modems, and this multitasking many DOS BBS apps under OS/2 over dedicating one PC per BBS node.

      Being one of the many huge technology learning experiences as a teen that lead me down the path I am on today is the core reason I remember him still.

      But I forgot all about the financial side of things and him being "the sysop that lives in a barn" until now, which is also quite interesting despite me not appreciating that fact at the time.

  7. coal firepower by maryjanety3 · · Score: 0

    Coal is the new energy http://www.dailymotion.com/vid...

  8. The seawater cooled plant would have had ... by dbIII · · Score: 1

    The seawater cooled plant would have had brass tubing that is very resistant to salt water corrosion, but since that brass is worth quite a bit it would have been removed and sold when the place was shut down. Of course if you don't have to worry much about heat there are plenty of types of cheap platic tubing that can do the job.
    The only "irony" here is that power stations typically don't have a lot of floor space for the amount of area they occupy once you pull the boilers out, so maybe a one floor datacenter taking up the same volume as a six floor one.

  9. Access buried conduits along the rail line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I doubt it. More likely, TVA has already run fiber optic lines to the plant using fiber optic cables in the shield wire.

    1. Re: Access buried conduits along the rail line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stephenson is midway between Huntsville Alabama and Chattanooga Tennessee. If there is fiber in the area, you can't tell it from the cell service or WiFi in the McDonalds there.

      In truth, it is a cheap location on the river, relatively easy to repurpose, with plenty of technical people in Huntsville and Chattanooga to draw from depending on where you live, it could easily be a 30-45 minute easy commute and you still live in a nice city.

      And both Nashville and Birmingham are within 100 miles by straight line. Location and money.

      Sorry Hugh, easy business decision when you want a green data center.

    2. Re: Access buried conduits along the rail line? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      You know where's it at, but you don't know how to spell it? It's Stevenson, not Stephenson.

      And I'd hate to commute from either Chattanooga or Huntsville. The roads are not great, and it would take longer than you estimate, especially with traffic.

  10. Salt water in Finland??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > In Finland, Google rehabilitated a paper mill, and uses seawater for cooling. Salt water is corrosive for standard metal pipes, of course, so Google created a singular cooling system using plastic pipes.

    The water in the Bothnian bay and Bothnian sea is not salt water.

    1. Re:Salt water in Finland??? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      They would have known that if they'd googled it before creating their singular cooling system.

    2. Re:Salt water in Finland??? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

      The water in the Bothnian bay and Bothnian sea is not salt water.

      Many Bothnians died to bring us this information.

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  11. Re: Floor space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A power plant that size would normally have a warehouse, a machine shop, and a training center, all of which could be converted to data center use without much trouble. The turbine floor can be converted as well, once you fill in the holes left by removal of the generators & turbines. Removal of the boiler house and pollution control equipment would leave room to build new data center space. The plant offices and cafeteria will probably be left as is and used for the same purpose by Google.

    Power plants are not as solidly built as the NYT writer assumes. The foundation and structural steel are substantial, but the walls tend to be flimsy. In particular, the boiler house walls are designed to blow off in the event of a steam pipe rupture to prevent the boiler house from exploding.

  12. Widows Creek Steam Plant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Makes sense if they need a center in that part of the country.

    Useful for the same reasons TVA put a power plant there.
    The river makes a good cold sink.
    The rail line makes it easy to bring fiber connectivity.
    It is near places in need of service like Atlanta.

    Available because TVA doesn't need it anymore.
    I'm suprised they did not take the never started Atomic plant just up the road.

  13. Other Uses of Old Plant by Capt.Albatross · · Score: 2

    The Tate Modern, London, formerly the Bankside generation plant.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  14. irony by sribe · · Score: 2

    noun, plural ironies.
    1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning:
    the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
    2. Literature. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
    (especially in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., especially as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
    3. Socratic irony.
    4. dramatic irony.
    5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
    6. the incongruity of this.
    7. an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.

    There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ironic about this.

    1. Re:irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

      When a coal plant is bought by a company, that is anti-coal, or at least pro-renewables, satisfies this definition.

    2. Re:irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HughPickens is one of Alanis Morissette's alts.

    3. Re:irony by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Definition #5 is pretty open. That is ironic, don't you think?

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    4. Re:irony by sribe · · Score: 1

      Definition #5 is pretty open. That is ironic, don't you think?

      No. In fact my point was that submitter was probably thinking of #5, but it is, in my opinion, blatantly moronic to find anything "unexpected" about google buying any large industrial building that fits its needs. In fact, I'd call it blatantly moronic to pull out the "how ironic" attitude for any purchaser of a defunct power plant. Plants of all kinds reach the end of their useful life and get de-commissioned. Then they get bought, and either re-purposed with some renovation or razed. Nothing unexpected there--commercial real estate changes owners & uses, big deal.

      Now it's fine to post this to /. because we might find it interesting that a former power plant is well-suited to become a massive data center. But the drooling mouth-breathing "ZOMG HOW IRONIC" attitude is an annoying sideshow detracting from whatever real information there is to learn here.

    5. Re:irony by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I knew I should have used the /s tag. Ah well.

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    6. Re:irony by sribe · · Score: 1

      I knew I should have used the /s tag. Ah well.

      Ah, I see I misread the antecedent of "that" ;-)

    7. Re:irony by KGIII · · Score: 1

      We can just blame it on my poor communication skills. I have broad shoulders. ;)

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    8. Re:irony by unclefred · · Score: 1

      I am so glad you sorted out the ironing of this situation without getting all shirty..

  15. You'll never believe how this headline was chosen by Nkwe · · Score: 1

    Well with the current owners and operators of Slashdot, maybe you will. But really Slashdot, do we need to drop down to clickbait?

  16. Steampunk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be steampunk AF >:)

  17. Its for the PR stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What makes for better headlines than Google opening up a data center in an old industrial brownfield? They probably got tons of tax credits and government subsidies for doing so.

  18. Re: Why Is Google Opening a New Data Center In a.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would still be a reason. A bad reason, but still a reason.