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Drone Diverts Firefighting Planes, Incurring $10,000 Cost

An anonymous reader writes: Fire is raging through thousands of acres of forest in California. A few days ago we discussed how a man's personal drone was shooed away from a fire site. Now, the drone situation has gotten worse. The U.S. Forest Service is helping to fight the fire by sending planes full of fire retardant to drop on the surrounding area. Unfortunately, one of the missions had to be diverted because a private drone had encroached upon the planes's airspace. The mission involved three planes, all loaded with retardant. One was large enough to find another target on which to drop its payload, but the other two simply had to jettison and return to base. Officials say the failed mission wasted at least $10,000. They're now having to spend extra time keeping an eye out for these drones and trying to educate operators on the temporary restrictions in place around forest fires.

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  1. Shoot them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you got nosy neighbors I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but a dork's drone ain't one. Serious suggestion, start shooting toy drones down when they're interfering with something important.

  2. This problem needs a technical solution by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As much as I'd like to see drone operators exercise some responsibility, the system is completely broken if you can turn a state into a firestorm with a minor act of arson and some auto-loitering drones.

    Step 1. Start fire
    Step 2. Set drone to loiter over areas with the most fire, at about 1500 feet
    Step 3. The world ends in fire.

    If we cannot create firefighting craft which can tolerate drone strikes, then we're completely fucked, because any enemy can utterly destroy our country with nothing but a few container-loads of drones.

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    1. Re:This problem needs a technical solution by Capt.Albatross · · Score: 4, Informative

      Putting aside any other consideration, you don't want that DC10 taken out of service during the fire season.

    2. Re:This problem needs a technical solution by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      In Greece we have a lot of fires in the summer, and a lot of Canadair firefighting planes... great planes, can take (and take) a lot of damage (e.g., birds), and our pilots are great ex Air force guy that will fly some special missions for special forces with that great plane in case of war... getting hit by a drone (in the windshield or in the propeller) is more dangerous sometimes than getting hit by bullets.

      An example of a real operation from Greece (you can find many in youtube)... watch how this planes approach and imagine a drone (especially some made with big metal parts) flying in their direct path...

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    3. Re:This problem needs a technical solution by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you know anything about jet engines, then you would know that a simple set of ear protection earmuffs can kill a multi million dollar engine if ingested.

    4. Re:This problem needs a technical solution by geoskd · · Score: 4, Informative

      That DC10 was designed to hit geese without sustaining damage. You think a 1 kg drone is going to do anything?

      No, the DC10 is designed to not crash after hitting a goose. They make no claims about damage. After a typical bird strike, the plane will still fly, but after it lands they're going to need to spend a few weeks rebuilding the engine that got hit.

      Drones are a bit more harsh on the engine, because geese are made of relatively soft stuff. Even the bones are remarkably flexible. The metal or plastic chassis of a drone on the other hand is actually designed to be very rigid. I would not be surprised in an engine, that survives a goose strike relatively intact, is completely destroyed by a medium sized drone.

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  3. They don't just need fire retardant by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Funny

    They need retard retardant.

  4. Can we go back to R/C Planes? by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we stop calling them drones. They're remote controlled (hobby) airplanes. Drones makes it sound like it's a weaponized, autonomous craft weighing hundreds of pounds.

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    1. Re:Can we go back to R/C Planes? by dissy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can we stop calling them drones. They're remote controlled (hobby) airplanes. Drones makes it sound like it's a weaponized, autonomous craft weighing hundreds of pounds.

      The only problem with that request is that today a percentage of hobbyist drones ARE autonomous craft in the 100+ pound class.

      Limiting our discussion to one subset of aircraft (the small RC planes) would not allow for fully addressing the actual problem at hand, in that any/all unauthorized aircraft should NOT be in no-fly zones, and most certainly should not be in obviously dangerous areas such as over a forest fire where there is no justification or excuse for not assuming it would be a no-fly zone at that point in time.

      And while no they are not specifically weaponized, in the sense of adding specific payloads to drop.
      But similar to controlling a 2000+ pound car in and of itself can be used as a weapon, so too can the medium to heavier drones.
      The point being that even non-weaponized doesn't necessarily mean the device can't still be used in a dangerous manor.

  5. What we need is disclosure by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much is Diane Feinstein's office paying Slashdot to publish stories like this? I fly R/C helicopters and I sure as fuck don't want them banned or restricted to the point where they have to be equipped with the sort of expensive equipment it would take for them to respect NOTAMs.

    Not to mention that it won't work. There's already open-source versions of the control systems. What component are you going to restrict?

  6. Re:Thank you Mr. Heston by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But the problem is not how it is controlled, RF or GPS..but rather who is controlling it. Fix the moron, rather than intercept his RC toy.

    You cannot make anything idiot-proof because nature will always build a better idiot. Slashdot moderation proves this. Also, it's non-trivial to even find the moron. Drones will fly waypoints and shoot photos and video independently. They can be miles away, and don't even need to be transmitting. Even cheap off-the-shelf drones will do this, let alone well thought-out hobbyist drones. Now, go forth and find the operator in the chaos surrounding a forest fire!

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  7. Re:Post a reward for finding this guy by Fnord666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess it's time to post a significant reward for information leading to the arrest of the person who did this. Apparently just the news stories about how stupid this is isn't enough to dissuade these idiots. So a good stiff fine is needed, and his drone seized. Hopefully that would finally send a message. Time for someone to 'fess up and spread the word to others.

    Don't worry. The individual in question will self report via a youtube post within the next day or so. Problem solved.

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