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How Uber Takes Over a City

schwit1 suggests Bloomberg's story on one aspect of Uber's corporate behavior that may leave a sour taste in the mouth of anyone who'd like to believe the Uber-vs.-the-Cartels narrative. The company hired David Plouffe, known for managing Barack Obama's rise to fame, and many others as well, to help them navigate inevitable and ongoing moves for regulation. The scale is impressive; according to the article: Over the past year, Uber built one of the largest and most successful lobbying forces in the country, with a presence in almost every statehouse. It has 250 lobbyists and 29 lobbying firms registered in capitols around the nation, at least a third more than Wal-Mart Stores. That doesn't count municipal lobbyists. In Portland, the 28th-largest city in the U.S., 10 people would ultimately register to lobby on Uber's behalf. And while the article focuses mostly on the example of Portland, the effort is ongoing and nationwide.

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  1. Next time you complain about "lobbyists"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... just remember: sometimes you need lobbyists to protect yourself from government.

    This is an example of it: a social app's userbase is trying to protect themselves from the rent-seeking taxi cartels.

  2. Uber isn't stupid by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Uber isn't stupid. They know the existing transport monopolies are maintained due to political connections aka lobbying. Uber knows there is no way it will be able to upset this status quo without support from local politicians. That, unfortunately, means lobbying. Love it or hate it, it's how things get done these days.

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  3. Re:Damn you Uber by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In many parts of the world taxis are private vehicles with a sign stuck on top, drivers hold their own licenses and companies act as advertising agencies and dispatchers. A recent trend is for one driver to join a company then keep their car running 24-7 as their buddies illegally act as taxi drivers in shifts, splitting the profits. This is an actual thing. Whether or not it's predominantly immigrants, illegal or otherwise, is another question mind you.

  4. GOOD. by stealth.c · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Uber is 1000 times better for transportation than the taxi cartel, and no thanks to government's relationship to this industry, lobbying aggressively is an act of self-defense. Instead of denigrating Uber for playing this game, blame the governments which have made this necessary, and blame yourselves for not voting the bastards out when they create cartels.

  5. Re:Damn you Uber by eulernet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In France, it has been shown that Uber's drivers are mostly children from immigrants (in french, the politically correct term is "enfants issus de l'immigration").
    Since most of them are jobless, it's a way for them to make money legally.

    The problem is that it destroys the jobs of taxi drivers, but does not create new jobs.
    A journalist calls this "the 'sharing of remains' economy", where the real jobs disappear, and only some small cheap tasks remain.
    The two providers for this kind of economy are Amazon and Uber

  6. Why is Uber better? Serious question. by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Uber is 1000 times better for transportation than the taxi cartel

    Why? Seriously, I haven't used Uber and the last time I rode in a taxi was years ago so I have no dog in this fight. Why did you think Uber is better? Better service? Better value? Or is just that they are sticking it to The Man? I'm legitimately asking because I just don't really see what is so amazing about Uber as a casual observer. Saying they are "1000 times better" is obviously hyperbole but what makes them better if indeed they are better?

    If they are actually providing a better value then more power to them. I'm definitely for disrupting industries that need disrupting. If the only advantage is that they aren't the incumbent companies then that isn't an adequate reason to my mind to support them with actual dollars. It just not clear to me which is the case here.

  7. Re: Bullshit narrative ... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you even understand why the medallion system was implemented? I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with so-called taxi cartels.

    Let's see. A bit of reading shows that the medallion system was implemented because of "public fears" that taxi drivers were driving too much, and therefore not doing proper maintenance on their vehicles.

    So, the solution to "public fears" was to limit the number of taxis (which would require the taxi drivers to drive even more, thus further limiting their time spent on maintenance, OR to reduce the general availability of taxis, since they'd have fewer taxis working fewer hours each)....

    Yeah, that's a strong argument in favour of the medallion system alright.

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  8. Re: Bullshit narrative ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's the laws that are bullshit. Look at what kind of service Uber facilitates. How is it that only now anyone is introducing a reputation system to this industry? How is it that only now the barrier of entry to this industry is coming down? What exactly does a stringently controlled supply of government-licensed "taxi" drivers do for the consumer anyway?

    The free market can only produce generally beneficial results when certain conditions are in place, one of the most important of which being the lack of asymmetry of information between customer and supplier. For example, in the restaurant trade customers can judge the service, prices and food quality for themselves and can decide whether the bargain is acceptable. Customers cannot really judge the food safety, due to a lack of opportunity (and prospective customers traipsing through the kitchen might be a hazard in itself), a lack of expertise in microbiology and the "contract-forming cost" of having to do a complete investigation each time before sitting down and eating. Therefore most jurisdictions have laws for government hygiene inspections but not for setting food prices.

    With taxi hire, it is difficult for the consumer to learn many key things about the prospective bargain, such as the competence and record of the driver, the maintenance record of the car and the availability of insurance should there be an accident. It is not efficient for each consumer who wants a ride to summon a taxis/Uber and do in-depth checks on the car and driver, even assuming the consumer has suitable skills in car maintenance, insurance underwriting etc. Plus, the consumer would have to be prepared to repeatedly dismiss low-quality ride offers and wait for a new candidate to turn up. It's not plausible. The free market doesn't work when there are persistent information asymmetries that are expensive (relative to the basic cost) or difficult to overcome. The result is that the low quality businesses drive out the high quality business, because the higher quality businesses can't prove themselves as such to justify a higher price. They can't prove they aren't just boasting.

  9. Re:Damn you Uber by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    True indeed, but also consider that in many of those parts of the world, the drivers are also stuck with having to grease the palms of some local poobah just to avoid having the wrath of the local constabulary come down on them.

    Okay, it ain't that much different from how Portland works, but at least in PDX's case, the money is (well, mostly) passed along above-board, and it goes to the local government's coffers instead of some local sleazebag's pocket (well, mostly).

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  10. Have any of you driven for a living? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd like to know how many people who are pro-Uber have ever driven a taxi. As a former taxi-driver, I say fuck Uber. There may be a lot of compelling reasons to attack so-called big taxi, but that also only exists in the largest cities. I drove a taxi in a smaller college town, where everyone has to get registered, have a background check, etc. Uber came in and refused to do this, though they could afford to pay lobbyists. When they went into NY, for example, they agreed to follow certain laws and then completely failed to do so. They do this everywhere they go. It's part of the reason why there are protests in France.

    How many of you who are pro-Uber have ever driven for a living? Delivered food? Driving your own car vs. driving a company car are completely different things. Driving your own car, you had better be a mechanic too or you're going to be making minimum wage when you're done fixing your car. The taxi companies in this town all have mechanics and garages. Some of them may lease out the cabs too, but mostly the insurance and maintenance are all taken care of for fairly cheap by bundling it all together and doing it in-house. For Uber, you are expected to do all of that yourself. And Uber tries to charge less than taxi companies, when they're not doing ridiculous "surge" pricing... something taxis wouldn't dream of doing because seriously.... charging 2-4 times as much because it's busy? That's downright bull shit.

    Uber is using its drivers as temporary workers, saddling them with all of the transport costs and liability. It does a worse job than local corrupt taxi companies at weeding out bad drivers. It also goes to the other extreme of weeding out drivers who don't kiss ass constantly so they can get perfect ratings. You ever drive drunk assholes around town? I can tell you that there were plenty of situations where me being polite and ass-kissing was not the right way to deal with things.

    Uber's plan is to replace all of their drivers with bots, ASAP. So anyone working for them that thinks this is going to work out for long and that they can make serious money and count on it is just seriously gambling with their job security. I don't know what the turnover is. But again, back to taxi drivers... There's some serious experience there, of the streets, of people, and especially of driving for long periods. Some new shmuck who's never driven commercially before but feels all entitled because he/she has a smartphone app directing them around? That's an accident waiting to happen, and they will be liable, not Uber. I'm all for learning how to do stuff, but Uber's model is basically all newbies, as near as I can tell. And that's part of why we do background checks on taxi drivers. If you keep getting into accidents or keep getting speeding tickets, then you don't drive a taxi or a city or a school bus, limo, etc. Because you're proven yourself incapable. Does Uber give a shit? Apparently not.

    A different company could maybe pull this off, but Uber just keeps playing the asshole card. Fuck Uber.