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New Study Accuses Google of Anti-competitive Search Behavior

An anonymous reader writes: Columbia Law School professor Tim Wu — the man who coined the term "network neutrality" — has published a new study suggesting that Google's new method of putting answers to simple search queries at the top of the results page is anticompetitive and harmful to consumers. For subjective search queries — e.g. "What's the best [profession] in [city]?" — Google frequently figures out a best-guess answer to display first, favoring its own results to do so. The study did some A/B testing with a group of 2,690 internet users and found they were 45% more likely to click on merit-based results than on Google's listings. Wu writes, "Search engines are widely understood as key mediators of the web's speech environment, given that they have a powerful impact on who gets heard, what speech is neglected, and what information generally is reached. ... The more that Google directs users to its own content and its own properties, the more that speakers who write reviews, blogs and other materials become invisible to their desired audiences."

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  1. So, ignorant people are easily influenced by alispguru · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who knew?

    Seriously, I personally know the difference between sponsored and unsponsored links. I use the short-cut links in the sponsored section when the same place shows up near the top of the unsponsored section. Otherwise, I take those links with a big block of salt.

    Folks, Google is about as good as we can expect to get for a company that makes its money off of advertising-supported services. They need to be watched and called out when they do marginal things, but they aren't deliberately evil as corporate policy goes.

    Facebook, on the other hand...

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    1. Re:So, ignorant people are easily influenced by EStrat · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think you understand what the study is about. It is not about sponsored and unsponsored. RTFA, or at least the abstract.
      Type "Where is the best burger near me" and you get google + results mapped, along with other hits using Google's algorithm. None of these results are sponsored. Google's algorithmic results, the study says (and this is true in my rudimentary testing), are NOT mapped. Consumers (and businesses) are hurt by this behavior.

    2. Re:So, ignorant people are easily influenced by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well ... duh?

      So, you ask Google a semantic/natural language question ... are you actually surprised that Google uses their own results to determine this?

      Do you expect an objective determination of this? Would we need a court to decide who is actually the best?

      You asked a search engine to give you a subjective response based on the information is has. Do you expect it to give you the results from Bing or Yahoo?

      So, yes, the subjective evaluation as returned by Google using their own stuff as a basis is skewed to their own stuff.

      Why is anybody surprised by this? Does anybody think Google is going to promote someone else's stuff?

      Search results are a starting point. But if you want to know the best burger joint, eat there, or read a whole bunch of different review sites.

      This seems to be a lot of hand wringing about the fact that some kinds of search results, which aren't based on objective facts, aren't returning objective facts.

      Hell, I've seen user voted polls in newspapers which were as subjective and broken just because the stuff in the area where all the bars were got reviewed more. So all of the downtown stuff was reviewed more. That didn't make it better, just better known.

      You asked Google to provide you what is essentially a distillation of opinions, and you're surprised it's not a 100% accurate set of results?

      I just don't know why people are surprised by this. Whose stuff do you think Google should be promoting?

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    3. Re:So, ignorant people are easily influenced by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't think you understand what the study is about. It is not about sponsored and unsponsored. RTFA, or at least the abstract.
      Type "Where is the best burger near me" and you get google + results mapped, along with other hits using Google's algorithm. None of these results are sponsored. Google's algorithmic results, the study says (and this is true in my rudimentary testing), are NOT mapped. Consumers (and businesses) are hurt by this behavior.

      If I ask GOOGLE where the best burger joint is then I expect GOOGLE to respond.
      Same as if I asked YELP where the best burger joint is then I expect YELP to respond.
      I don't see the problem here.
      I have an iphone and I many times have tried to ask siri questions and get a stupid response.
      I immediately switch and ask google. I have actually gotten to the point that although it
      is easier to ask siri a question I find myself taking the extra step to ask google first because
      google is much more likely to give me a good response to my query.

  2. Ehhhh... by cfalcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's extremely important to have useful results in a search engine, quickly. Some of the worst offenders are when you try to define a word- the page is literred with shit links being like:

    Definition of “frangible” | Collins English Dictionary
    www.collinsdictionary.com English Dictionary
    Definition of “frangible” | The official Collins English Dictionary online. Comprehensive and authoritative, rely on Collins for up-to-date English with insights into ...

    Meanwhile, at the top of the page, Google has the actual answer (not every dictionary is shit, many have it in their summary text).

    So overall the fast results are what we want out of a search engine- the answer.

    1. Re:Ehhhh... by NotInHere · · Score: 3, Informative

      And many don't want it inside their summary text simply because you should visit their page, and view their ads.

    2. Re:Ehhhh... by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 2

      That's all true and not even disputed in the paper (which is linked in the article). The paper doesn't argue that all universal search results are bad for consumers, and some definitely are better. What's at issue is "local" search, like looking for a doctor in your city. In this case, there isn't one correct "answer," there are a bunch of them. And what you probably want are doctors with lots of good reviews. Instead, you get doctors with fewer reviews who happen to also have google+ pages.

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    3. Re:Ehhhh... by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So overall the fast results are what we want out of a search engine- the answer.

      This. Giving me the correct answer doesn't count as "anti-competitive", it means doing their job well.

      I don't go to Google to save me typing in "www.m-w.com" and then searching for a word - I go to Google because it gives me more useful answers than searching directly on almost any specific site. Merriam-Webster considers itself too digified to define "blumpkin" for me; UrbanDictionary has no such qualms. UD doesn't do so well in explaining "Pepe" to me - KnowYourMeme has the whole history of it even giving credit to the original author. None of the above has a good definition for "Mary Sue", but TV Tropes nails it.

      But, instead of searching on MW... Then UD... Then KYM... Then TT, and then who knows what else - I can just type it into Google, and bam! It gives me exactly what I wanted to know, and often does so faster than most ad-riddled pages can even load.

      Companies need to quit whining about free exposure, and instead focus on doing their own jobs well. If anyone really want to vanish from the Googleable internet, they always have the option of setting noindex/nofollow on their pages. Huh, I don't see many of these righteously indignant sites doing that, I wonder why not?

  3. Not surprising and probably not a problem by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more that Google directs users to its own content and its own properties, the more that speakers who write reviews, blogs and other materials become invisible to their desired audiences.

    First of all, the notion that Google is directing people to their own services should surprise no one. Anyone who honestly expects them to be an unbiased party is delusional. Google is an advertising company (well over 90% of their revenue is advertising based) so everything they do should be viewed with that in mind. Providing unbiased search results is a second order consideration at best for them no matter what motto they claim to follow.

    Second, is this really a problem? There are other search engines out there so if someone is unhappy with the answers they get then use a different one. Google has gotten to where they are mostly because they've provided a better service than their competitors. But there is very little keeping people using Google if there is reason to believe that has changed. Other search engines are only a URL away after all. I see potential for a problem but its a very small problem even in the worst case.

    1. Re:Not surprising and probably not a problem by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wu claims Google's first informational result is a "search result", rather than differentiating between content and information searches. Google isn't providing its own result first; it's providing an answer to a semantic question.

      There are three types of searches: Official contact (what is the home page of Microsoft?); research (find me a bunch of information about lions); and simple information (what time is it in Brazil?). Google often gives any simple query related to a particular entity an Official Contact result first (e.g. searching for Windows 10 will give you the Microsoft page for Windows 10 first), and starts with a Simple Information result if the search looks informational (e.g. what is the national animal of Scotland?).

      Wu fails to differentiate, instead seeing a search engine as a research platform: if you ask for any topic, you are asking for a library of writings on the topic, rather than trying to find a specific and utterly small piece of information.

    2. Re:Not surprising and probably not a problem by tofarr · · Score: 2

      The article is not asserting a problem with the quality of the results - what they are asserting is that it is a problem when I (as party A) as Google (as party B) a question, and google gives me an answer, rather than always going to parties C, D, E and F for the answer. Personally, I am torn about this one. On the one hand, I feel that if party A asks party B a question, it is not the right of parties C, D, E and F to be included in the process - Since the answer is trivial and party B is giving party A what they asked for - If they were better at giving party A what they require, then party A would simply ask them instead. On the other, I am disturbed at how much potential power this gives party B, no matter how benign they appear to be.

  4. What Wu does not write: by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wu writes, "Search engines are widely understood as key mediators of the web's speech environment, given that they have a powerful impact on who gets heard, what speech is neglected, and what information generally is reached. ... The more that Google directs users to its own content and its own properties, the more that speakers who write reviews, blogs and other materials become invisible to their desired audiences."

    Then users will slowly realize that the Google's search results are not trustworthy and they will move away from Google as the search engine. The market will correct itself.

    Greatest asset Google has is the trust it has earned over the years. If it misuses it it will lose the trust and the company will lose. I am not saying Google will not engage in such behavior. All I am saying is, there are natural constraints and market feedback against abuse. So we do not need any serious government action to correct it. All that government sanction and fines and browser selection dialog did not cut Microsoft down to size. A competitor did. Google has good competition from Facebook, Twitter and other social media muscling into the internet ad business and search business. That will keep Google in check more than any remedy proposed by a professor, or a lobbyist, or a judge or a legislator.

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    1. Re:What Wu does not write: by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Funny

      That goes counter the fact that people in general hate change. No I think the majority would continue to use Google. It is very hard to change societies momentum.

      Which is why everyone announces on MySpace about the new Geocities page they just set up.

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    2. Re:What Wu does not write: by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
      Back in 2000-2005, Microsoft looked invincible. The shenanigans they pulled, deliberately creating OO-XML to dilute OpenOffice. Claimed there should be competition in standards too, conflated issues. It was a trying time, it was frustrating time. I could not imagine how it could lose, having sewn up the corporate market up.

      Eventually it was cut down to size. It did not go bankrupt or anything, it still produces enormous cash flow, but somehow it could not mess up the market as it was able to earlier. At this point, even I don't care about Microsoft.

      In the technology world, the title King-Of-The-Hill is quite fleeting. There are serious competitors to Google, especially in the overseas market.

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  5. Re:Are they supposed to bump bad results? by thedonger · · Score: 3, Funny

    AHHHH! Please, government! Protect us from Big Search!

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  6. I use bing because I don't want there to be one... by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... search engine.

    It was really painful initially because bing used to be garbage. I would try searches on bing first and if it was failing which was frequent in the early days then I'd switch back to google for that search and then go right back to bing.

    These days bing and google do a equally good job so far as I can tell.

    All that said, I miss Altavista. :)

    I felt they were just as good as google in the old days. I don't know why google ultimately dominated altavista. They talk about their magical algorithms but every time they're explained in detail it turns out they're neither mysterious nor especially different from what anyone else was doing.

    Maybe I'm missing something. I haven't researched it extensively. I've just looked a few in depth explanations of the system as well as years of anecdotal experience with the various engines. Google became better than everyone else but that only happened AFTER they became popular. Altavista was initially as good or better. I think one of the funnier things to go down was the whole war over the google bar versus bing bar. Most people don't know this but the top search engines rely heavily on what amounts to spyware which is used to determine what sort of page you actually wanted to see when you typed in whatever into the engine.

    Google got upset with MS because they were supposedly copying google's results. But what had happened was that people with the bing bar were using google and so the bing bar learning from that and inputing the results into the bing system. Google accused MS of intentionally copying them. But it was just the stupid bing bar.

    Google of course does the same thing with Chrome etc... and of course the f'ing tracking cookies and javascript are ridiculous these days.

    No script and cookie monster for the win.

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  7. Re:No shit ... by thedonger · · Score: 5, Funny

    All I have to say is use another search engine if you don't like it. No one is forcing you to use Google.

    Googe is a Basic Human Right. The US was founded on the principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- do really expect people can pursue happiness with Bing?

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  8. I fail to see how this matters by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google can never be a traditional monopoly. If they abuse their status people will simply use different search engines. There is exactly zero cost to use a different search engine. This idea that we need to treat Google like ATT (who is a actual gateway to people they serve) is absurd on every level.

    The problem for these people is that they haven't been able to convince others to use different search or haven't even bother trying. There should be no case for anti-trust actions against an actor that has zero cost to switch.

  9. Our tax money by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

    Our taxes shouldn't be paying for a search that isn't fairly displaying results. Oh wait, they are providing this service for free, and we are free to use whatever search we want. What's the problem?

  10. Yelp sponsored study? by jedi.fanxch · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nobody noticed the so-called study was sponsored by Yelp, who is suing Google in Europe? So many news web sites reported Google screwing your search result, but so little mentioned who sponsored this.

  11. Re:No shit ... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Informative

    -- do really expect people can pursue happiness with Bing?

    Actually, Yelp paid for this study and staffed it as well...
    See the footnotes of the first page in the first link in TFS
    http://www.slideshare.net/lutherlowe/wu-l

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