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Analysis: Iran's Nuclear Program Has Been an Astronomical Waste
Lasrick writes: Business Insider's Armin Rosen uses a fuel-cost calculator from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists to show that Iran's nuclear program has been "astronomically costly" for the country. Rosen uses calculations from this tool to hypothesize that what Iran "interprets as the country's 'rights' under the 1970 Non-Proliferation Treaty is a diplomatic victory that justifies the outrageous expense of the nuclear program." Great data crunching.
And they would do it again.
Is there any other way for a Middle Eastern country to earn our respect, other than to be able to nuke us?
(And no, they don't need a rocket delivery mechanism -- it can be shipped pre-emptively to the country most likely to meddle with them.)
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To obscure Saudi nuclear purchases from Pakistan.
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Iranians are not trying to make or even save money.
They are trying to build a nuclear weapon. Economists need not apply...
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They still hear the "Axis of Evil" speech, and would rather be North Korea than Iraq today.
Iran is between Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention a nuclear-armed Pakistan. Their strong desire for a deterrent weapon is understandable.
I wonder how much decisive it was in the resulting waste of money and resources.
Whenever a fission reactor operates, it produces neutrinos. In fact, high grade fissile material can produce it too. Neutrinos are also impractical to shield against. It has been known and proposed for some time that if we built a network of neutrino detectors for about $10 billion we would be able to monitor and prevent anyone including ourselves from building nukes, anywhere. Yeah ourselves too, so gee I wonder why nobody is funding it.
If you dont believe me just google these three words: neutrinos fission reactor
Sorry the subject of parent says muon detector .. I meant neutrinos.
So it's not been a waste at all. The USA only wants to fight conventional wars because they have a bigger army than the next top five nations combined. A nuclear program gives them the possibility that this won't mean fuck all since the best tank still melts near a nuclear blast.
They want to kill people, not BE killed.
Duh!
"they're not rational!!!!".
FFS, look at Rapturists. Or Scientology. Or the denial machine in the USA. Rational? Hell, mainstream cable TV evangelicals are as mad as the frothingest Mullah on Al Jazeeri. With the filters you apply to "those foreign rag heads" applied to the USA, the USA is barking fucking mad, even compared to the *filtered* perception of Muslims.
And you have an army 20 times the size.
Priceless as in no cost because they aren't that scared. First Iran needs to build the bomb and then build a long range delivery vehicle. Bombing Israel would angry the US but not hurt them. Rather, bombing Israel with a nuke would effect the whole region including Iran itself. Something I think Iran won't be doing unless they want to deal with every country in the region.
Their nuclear program is of little value and would easily be traded away if it was just for energy or healthcare; they sit atop an ocean of oil and could easily buy medical isotopes if their economy was relieved of sanctions (i.e. if this was an econ101 exercise, they'd have happily traded it away long ago as all the other non-nuclear signatories to the NPT have done).
A nuclear weapons program, in the hands of the leading sponsor of most of the world's terrorism of the past 40 years, on the other hand has nearly infinite value:
It would let Iran continue sponsoring terrorism, even more flagrantly and against more targets, secure in the knowledge that most nations would be too scared to fight back.
It would help Iran get sanctions removed by threatening to nuke anybody who tries to keep the sanctions in place.
This is THE nightmare scenario: Crazy evil mullahs who actually believe they need a world-wide bloodbath to bring-on the 12th Imam...... having their hands on EXACTLY the instruments they need to do it. The theory of nuclear deterrence only works when all opponents desperately want to stay alive, it breaks down when one opponent desires mass death. During the Cold War, neither the Jews and Christians of the West, nor the officially atheist Soviets, wanted to die. Not as individuals, nor en-mass. Note: Islam is VERY different from other religions in this regard. The Christian book of Revelations, for example, predicts a dark bloody future that is apparently inevitable but absolutely not to be desired or intentionally brought about (it's brought about by the devil). There are other religions with similar sorts of apocalyptic prophesies, but again as things to be avoided, not to be desired, not to be brought about by mankind.
Even with the sarcasm, why does this get modded interesting?
Also: Considering their neighbours, I can understand their desire for nuclear capabilities. And believe you me, the rest of the world can really understand the desire for the US to take their fat fingers out of one's own affairs. Considering the history between Iran and the US I'm willing to consider nuclear armament an apropriate measure of self-defense.
Unlike ISIS, Iran is a country that has existed continuously for 2500 years. I highly doubt they would self-immolate just for a chance to 'nuke the infidel.' Even Israeli intelligence agencies have looked at Iran and concluded that, despite the sabre-rattling, they are rational agents with self-preservation as a primary concern.
A fool and his hard drive are soon parted.
" Something I think Iran won't be doing unless they want to deal with every country in the region."
Which is something we will never have to deal with because the worlds greatest spy network (Israel) will assure that all expenditures made toward nuclear proliferation are wasted at the most optimum timeline.
If that had or will happen, chances are the world won't ever know.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely Iran gets more than enough sunlight to power their country mostly using solar energy, right? I would think that would be a real consideration for them, if they really wanted an efficient energy source for the future. They could easily use smaller amounts of nuclear to power their country during non-sunny weather, but there's a good chance that a lot of this nuclear power isn't exactly for energy production.
I'm not totally sure about the idea of malicious intent either, but I would imagine that they could much more easily create a solar grid than dealing with the nasty politics surrounding nuclear, if energy was the primary concern. A bit fishy.
Is there any other way for a Middle Eastern country to earn our respect ...
Let's expand your query into :
Is there any way for any country to earn the respect of others
So... how to earn _true_ respect from others?
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Clickbait title is clickbait. Would you say the man-to-the-moon programme was a waste? It was astronomically costly.
Then again, the Wars On Stuff And A Few Countries were and are even more costly, laying waste to large swathes of land, cultural heritage sites, destroying whole economies, killing many people in job lots (mostly brown people so they don't count, eh), depriving people of their privacy wholesale, spreading industrial strength fear on a global scale, and generally making the world a less safe place by confirming teh terrists' success and spurring them onward, so it's easy to see how anglophone observers might get confused.
Trying to effect change, eh?
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
A nuclear weapons program, in the hands of the leading sponsor of most of the world's terrorism of the past 40 years, on the other hand has nearly infinite value:
wait so it was Iran who sponsored Al Qaeda and Islamic State? Does anybody else know this?
but I would imagine that they could much more easily create a solar grid than dealing with the nasty politics surrounding nuclear, if energy was the primary concern. A bit fishy.
I agree with your sentiment. But wait!
First, its their legal right to nuclear energy. Second, they (Iran), are a sovereign nation and as such, are free to pursue their ambitions for whatever reason. Further, if we take a look at what "the greatest democracy" in the world has done, they have wasted over a trillion dollars on a plane that just doesn't measure up! This is despite having huge deficits.
Question for you: Why do ou think that their only reason for pursuing nuclear energy is for energy alone? Why? Couldn't be also because they want to learn? Heck, much of what makes today's life what it is, is that those who lived before us did a lot of research in fields that one could argue weren't meant to make Joe Six Pack's life easier. But we all benefit as time goes by, don't we?
Just leave them alone.
There are around 600 churches and nearly 400,000 Christians in Iran. If they were really interesting in attacking "infidels" they would start with them.
Iran considers the US a rogue state that illegally invades its neighbours and murders innocent civilians. Any way you frame it, they are not entirely wrong about that. Once you strip away the propaganda it's easy to see how they have quite legitimate security concerns.
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Omg you're so fucking stupid it's unbelievable. Iran is actually less religiously motivated than say Saudi Arabia.
At least is hasn't been a nuclear waste...
Ba dum dash!
The 'they would like to be our friends but X' argument wore very thin during the Cold War, and in retrospect, given what we now know about the actual behaviour of the Soviet Union and its treatment of its conquests, it's clear that we needed to carry a very big stick to keep them quiet. Sadly the same siren call to be nice to our enemies is being heard again, on the core assumption that their priorities and values are essentially similar to our own. Once you remove that assumption - which is certainly NOT evidenced by the history of Islam on which Iran seeks to model its behaviour - you are forced to conclude they are a very dangerous country.
It's always nice to nice and live in a comfortable bubble believing that all is well. Unfortunately it ain't, and pretending otherwise is how a country gets itself into big trouble.
Khomeni in 1942 argued: 'Islam’s jihad is a struggle against idolatry, sexual deviation, plunder, repression, and cruelty. The war waged by [non-Islamic] conquerors, however, aims at promoting lust and animal pleasures. They care not if whole countries are wiped out and many families left homeless. But those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [God’s law].... Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless.'1
The 13th century Ibn Taimiya articulates a more comprehensive theological justification for the marauding, arguing that the property of non-Muslims must revert legitimately to the followers of the true religion; Jihad is the means to recover these illegally usurped possession, offering a justification for any Muslim to steal from an infidel. This legitimation of their earlier practice suggests that independent Arab marauders descending on villages to steal did do so with religious sanction. This, occurring in advance of the formal expansion of the Islamic Empire, softens up the target for actual conquest.2
1 Barry M. Rubin and Judith Colp Rubin, eds. Anti-American terrorism and the Middle East: A documentary reader. (Oxford: OUP), 2004), 29.
2 Ye'Or, The decline of eastern Christianity under Islam: from jihad to dhimmitude. (Rutherford: Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, US: 1996) 39-40.
I like your affect.
Christians AND jews.
Anyway, Iran doesn't scare me. What scares me are the warmongering far-right lunatics who think it's a good idea to bomb Iran.
A fool and his hard drive are soon parted.
How did they get this capability? Countries from all over the world helped them, including the US, France, England, Germany and China.
So given this history, is it irrational for Iran to want to get the biggest baddest weapon of mass destruction they can, no matter what the cost? A rational cost analysis is irrelevant under these circumstances.
A significant number of the world's major powers
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But of course Rosen would write that. Thank You, I'll be here all week with my Neo-Nazi inspired jokes!
This is nothing more than Pro-Israel FUD surrounding the nuclear deal. There will be a lot more of that the coming weeks.
If they'd been a little less bitches, they could be like Dubai right now and dipping their balls in gold, regularly. Them and Iraq both. And yes, everyone in the world pretty much has been fucking with them for... well... ever, really. But there's a way to win against everyone in the world, and being stinky little bitches isn't it. But, you know, whatever makes them happy, I suppose.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I like hamburgers.
Yet, somehow, the USA has nuclear power for civilian power generation.
Hmmm.
Do I need to say any more? How many black churches have been torched in the USA in the past WEEK? Five, definitely. Maybe a sixth.
Why? They're not "real christians". Your actions there are no different from ISIS killing the "wrong muslim".
You make it sound like Al Qaeda and Islamic State are the only terrorist organizations in existence. Sure Iran does not sponsor Islamic State, but there are definite links between Iran and Al Qaeda.
However Islamic State is not responsible for the majority of the worlds terrorism of the past 40 years, not even close. That would fall to the likes Hamas, Hezbollah, and in the past the PLO, all of which have received state sponsorship from Iran.
Billion, trillion - they don't care. Its oil dollars, extracted at the pump from YOU and ME. Sanctions smankshions.
Go back to your masters and tell them we are not falling for that line again.
How much of that cost is because the country behind this article tried very hard to undermine Iran's efforts?
"supporting ungodly things like equality, rights for women, freedom of religion, LGBT rights"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Seriously????
Tell me, have you HEARD some of the insane shit coming from many loud Republicans and "christian leaders" about how this law will be refused to allow to stand, one even going so far as to equate the refusal to obey the law giving gay marriage rights as MLK Jr's refusal to obey the racist laws of the state he was in (which were ILLEGAL according to the federal law binding on all states).
The only muzzy thinking (by the way, i'm the same AC and I'm white and anti-theist, absolutely NOT a muslim, you retards) comes from you 'merkin retards with a hypocritial streak running a mile wide clear through your brain.
Nope, they're starting with the Bahais.
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Do we really think that Iran doesn't know that the oil money won't last forever?
There is a cheap reliable source of energy that they can harness to position themselves in a place to survive once fossil fuels are used up.
Following that path in a certain way also allows them to develop a nuclear bomb more quickly.
Given that the world is already running on an energy economy (one where oil is the main source of energy) and Iran is providing at least some of that oil, why wouldn't they want to set themselves up with a secondary source of energy, heck they'll probably want to build some factories to make cheap consumer goods once that have that established... Worked for China, who is also searching for energy and building 3 gorges dam (because they don't need to have the benefit of a nuclear bomb program, they are set in that regard)
Every country in the world is trying to get ready for a post fossil fuel world, and we begrudge Iran for it (just because the path they choose also leads to them having the bomb).
We could follow their example (And do it quicker because of the resources we have at our disposal) and build some sort of power generation facilities instead of hoping that fraking will save us... but we don't.
Actually the problem with Iran has nothing to do with the US. Iran and similar countries are thoroughly dysfunctional without needing any reference to the US, see Syria.
All utter failures of authoritarian messes and delusions need to declare normal countries their enemy, otherwise their captive populations would demand a system like ours that wasn't Kafka's worst nightmare.
Damn right! We should be giving that money to the banksters.
only because they fight their wars IN their neighbors borders. See Lebanon and Syria. Also note that they manage to not have a civil war against another sect, see Syria.
Ok, they're also not as culturally backward as Egypt or some of their neighbors, unless you count their leadership.
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The analysis of using nuclear fuel doesn't factor in the carbon savings from not burning fossil fuels to generate electricity. Not only will nuclear energy be carbon neutral (carbon trading benefits anyone?) but it will also be better for the atmosphere: less pollution.
While gas is relatively cheap (for us - for them it isn't) inside of Iran, in Tehran they have a massive air pollution problem from all of the cars. Probably just as bad as Beijing was before the Olympic games, maybe worse.
If I was Iranian I would want to see non-carbon based fuels being prioritized and ways to generate electricity from nuclear or solar fast tracked so that I wasn't living under a mountain of dirty air.
in 1953.
That said, Barry Rubin was a disappointment to me. He spent the last few years of his life inciting the tea party tards on PJ Media throwing mad tantrums over Obama, afraid that anyone who doesn't seem 100% deferential must be working for Satan himself and bringing the final Holocaust.
I think a Country like Iran could care less about the affects of costs to go nuclear. The end result for Iran is respect and fear which they want to instil on the West.
They see nuclear capabilities as the key to becoming a super power and reaping that power. This logic is nothing new as Russia did the same thing, and Japan tried to gain control with Pearl Habor. One can only wonder how these new hungry threats like China, North Korea, and Iran will choose to instil a will to become respected as a super power in the world.
Germany was an old land too, but if crazies get power, they can run it in a bad direction. Same goes for anywhere.
If they get one, just one working bomb from the money spent then the program is worthy of every penny spent in the eyes of a Muslim.
iran bad. allies that imprison, torture, and subjugate good. me simple.
"Unlike ISIS, Iran is a country that has existed continuously for 2500 years"
By the same token, UK is still an world wide empire and USA is nothing but their sock puppet trying to covertly control the rest of the world.
Geography never defines politics, it's the other way around.
You're forgetting that everyone in the region hates Iran... except syria... and syria is falling apart.
Iran economy is in shambles, they have no friends that are standing, and their activities are agitating the saudis, egyptians, Jordians, etc...
Iran is fucked. Be Kasparov for second. War game this out 10 moves in advance.
You'll see it is already checkmate on Iran.
If they continue with their nuke program... best case... the rest of the middle east which mostly hates them will get nukes about five minutes later... at which point what has Iran accomplished?
The US is not going to nuke Iran... but the saudis might... the egyptians might. The jordanians might.
The Iranians have overdosed on their "great satan" propaganda. They've destroyed themselves. For nothing.
Imagine a different world. A world where Iran wasn't going out of its way to be a dick head. Think of how wealthy they would be? They're a generally well educated and hard working country for the region. They could be an industrial power in the middle east. The Germany or Japan of the region. And look at what they are instead? A minor oil exporter and pistachio nut exporter... which the US is undercutting in both cases by producing lots of oil and lots of pistachios.
And what did they get in return for sacrificing all of that? Nothing. Power? None. Respect? None. Leverage? None. Diplomatic support? None.
They sacrificed everything for nothing.
Go through the world and show me how many countries have prospered in dicking with the US?
Is that Zero?... so... why do it? Besides fetal lead poisoning leading to chemically induced retardation... I'm at a loss as to what they think they're doing.
Yes yes... history... colonialism... so what? What relevance does that have on 2015? Oh that's right... none. The US was at war with the British Empire for about fifty years. Then the British stopped trying to reconquer us and we became buddies.
The Iranians should be trying to make friends with the US. It would mean an end to sanctions. It would mean military security. It would mean trade opportunities. Technology sharing...
They'd very rapidly become a great power.
But they've got such a raging hate boner that they can't see they're destroying themselves. FOR NOTHING.
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Unlike ISIS, Iran is a country that has existed continuously for 2500 years.
The people of Persia have existed for thousands of years. The Islamic Republic of Iran has only existed for a few decades, and has fostered suicide bombings and Islamic revolution around the world.
I highly doubt they would self-immolate just for a chance to 'nuke the infidel.'
Much as Germany wouldn't self-immolate just for a chance to kill a few million Jews? Oddly enough there is another country so inclined to attempt that feat. Any guesses on that? You should look into the question of Germany's use of railway shipping to send Jews to death camps versus sending supplies to the fighting fronts.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
We should. Poor people only spend their money and have nothing. Bankers use that money to make more money. More money is infinitely better than nothing.
The cost calculations assume a one time use of the uranium. With a breeder reactor, or even a thorium reactor, the uranium would be used over and over, so there is a tremendous leveraging of the initial enrichment expense.
Unlike ISIS, Iran is a country that has existed continuously for 2500 years.
It was a civilized place until 630 - 650ish when the muslims took it (by force of course)
Wrong. What about the Timurids? Don't claim that Iran = Persia either. Sure, Persian culture has been around forever, but don't get confused by the silly nationalism. I'm sure that if people who lived 2000 years ago could see today, then they would likely lose hope in humanity because we had too easily and conveniently forgotten the lessons of the past. Listen to who and what is motivating the people who are in power, where they derive their power, and measure how much power they actually want. In the case of today's Iran the people in power obviously want as much power as possible, to exert influence in at least the Middle East. However there is the reasonable argument that Iran would only want to influence the Middle East and not so much the world, unlike ISIS whose ambition is clear.
And what did all those have in common:they were going to mandate the Euro for all international trades. Saddam was the first one to say he would implement it. And he was the first one given the public punishment beating for it,
What? Did you not wonder why Venezuela was mixed in with the others? Or did you just always ignored their inclusion, rather than forgot?
You're assuming they're thinking rationally. They're not. It's not a well-calculated strategy, it's all about Islam.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
If you think Iran's nuclear program has been costly for Iran, wait until you see what it costs the U.S.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
No matter how Iran would behave Saudi Arabia would still be working to screw them for being Shias,
"it's all about Islam."
DING DING DING!!! We have a winner. You wins the internet. I wish the rest of the world would fucking get it. You can't rationalize radical religious convictions.
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What would the cost have been without foreign sanctions? Without restrictions on suppliers? Iran has long said they wish to build many nuclear plants yet in the sanctions regime that is near impossible. Absent those issues the cost would be much lower, yet might still be considered high by 1st world standards.
Why does the US waste $1 trillion on the F-35 program? Are there not other cheaper alternatives?
Clearly both countries have made decisions based on their own internal metrics and view those costs as acceptable.
Pishhh...Iran could care less about what the US thinks. The real reason they keep at it is because all the /. nuclear fanboys have finally convinced a government how great nuclear is! Kudos fanboys!
It is all about power, and holding on to it.
Incorrect. I am not assuming they're thinking rationally. To the contrary, I just pointed out they were thinking IRRATIONALLY. I pointed out that their actions harm their country in every measurable way while accomplishing nothing for it including their various religious objectives.
They're trading wealth, power, and security... for NOTHING.
that was my argument. How you got out of that the belief that I thought they were thinking rationally is beyond me.
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Or you know, just not take so much from people like me. I'm not rich, but I sure pay a butt load in taxes each year. But hey, even though I earned it, it's not mine right?
So obviously making that dispute go nuclear couldn't possibly go wrong.
Think.
If your objective is to survive an indefinite enmity than you either need to strategically fatally cripple or destroy that rival or keep the conflict to a sustainable low burn. Or as the US did during the cold war... Both. During the Cold War we kept hostilities between the US and USSR manageable while at the same time undermining them strategically until through our actions and obvious flaws in their economic and political system they could not even pretend to sustain their super power status.
Escalating the whole thing to nuclear weapons is idiotic.
But that is what the Iranians want to do.
And the fuckwits think they're going to hurt the US with that little genius plan. As if a couple nukes are going to mean anything to the US. We fucking piss in Putin's face on a regular basis and that asshole has thousands of nukes.
Worst case, Iran sneaks a nuke into the US and flattens a city... and then Iran ceases to exist. All the soldiers, civilians, women, children, pets, parasites, and cockroaches.
The US will do what it can to avoid taking even that body blow. And it is not something we'll intentionally bait. But if everything goes tits up, we'll survive it and they won't.
Far more likely, the US is going to encourage regional enemies of the Iranians to engage them for us...so someone in the middle east is more likely to eat the one and only nuke the Iranians are likely to be able to detonate before they trigger the inevitable DEFCON 1 MAD response.
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Iran could care less about what the US thinks
So, they DO care? How much less could they care?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Hamas - funded by Iran
Hezbollah - funded by Iran
Palestinian Islamic Jihad - funded by Iran
Houthi rebels in Yemen - funded by Iran
The Shiite militias in Iraq (who did many terror attacks against both the Americans AND Sunni Iraqis) - funded and controlled by Iran
The Taliban - supported by Iran according to the Obama admin in 2014 Treasury Dept report.
Al Qaeda - operatives in Canada were found to be supported by Iran, and some of Osama bin Laden's family have long been known to be using Iran as a sanctuary
Shall I continue?
Go back to you masters in the Revolutionary Guard and report that your propaganda efforts are not working.
You didn't apparently comprehend what he said. He said "building" not "detonating".
BUILDING a U235 bomb DOES NOT involve any fission except the decays normal to uranium. It involves separating isotopes of uranium, either via centrifuge or gas diffusion to concentrate U235 isotope, and non-nuclear work to set up explosives, electronics, and other bomb detonation hardware.
When you BLOW UP the U235 bomb, THAT is when you get lots of fissions.
The poster you were responding to was EXACTLY CORRECT except for the VERY minor omission of the fact that U235 is going to have some natural decay fission going on, which would be almost indistinguishable from background.
Therefore, he was EXACTLY CORRECT in claming that a neutrino detector would have a VERY hard time detecting manufacture of a U235 bomb.
Congratulations on not only being completely wrong, but arrogant and profane on top of it.
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First of all, Iran COULD NOT USE the bomb if it had one.
Why?
1. They can't bomb Jerusalem, which is as holy to them as to jews and Christians. Their own
people would slaughter them. AND they'd kill most of the Palestinians in the Occupied
Territories of the West Bank.
2. Israel is smaller than the US state of New Jersey. At one point, I believe it's a total
of ->17mi- wide. What this means is using the bomb *anywhere* in Israel means
fallout on Jerusalem.
3. Following 2, it *also* means fallout on the Palestinians.
4. Oh, yes - the winds would mean that fallout would COME BACK TO IRAN.
Therefore, the ONE and ONLY purpose that Iran would want the bomb is MAD with Israel (who has a bunch of bombs, and would cheerfully use it on Iran, if they didn't think there'd be no Israel left afterwards.
Oh, yes, and with all the climate-change deniers here, *no* *one* could imagine that maybe Iran's worried about when their oil fields are played out, and planning to do things with the money while they have it to prepare for the future, no, no, that's *way* more than next quarter....
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The fertility rate in Iran has been dropping significantly since the fall of the Shah.
Part of it is because who wants to raise children in such a screwed up place.
Part of it is because the actual rate of STDs in Iran (not the one the Mullahs are reporting) is astoundingly high. Iran's incidence of chlamydia is thought to be as much as 30 times higher than that of the USA.
It would have been much wiser for Iran to have spent all that money on public health. But since admitting there was - IS - a problem would be a major political disaster the ruling Mullahs are saying nothing. With a replacement rate of 1.6 and falling there won't be all that many Persians left in a century or two.
Demography is Destiny.
How will we know whose bomb it was, exactly?
You're forgetting that everyone in the region hates Iran... except syria... and syria is falling apart.
Well, you're forgetting Iraq. Iraq is also falling apart, but one of the biggest pieces is the shia part of Iraq which is more than happy to deal with Iran. The Kurds are the Kurds, and an issue they, Iraq, and Turkey have always dealt with. The other, smaller part of Iraq, which used to be in control but is no longer is the sunni part which is joining the IS. The IS had already stated that they wish to see all shia dead. The middle east is in the middle of a religious war that falls closely along ethnic boundaries with the arabs and persians being the main contestants.
"it's all about Islam."
DING DING DING!!! We have a winner. You wins the internet. I wish the rest of the world would fucking get it. You can't rationalize radical religious convictions.
Well, until you realize that those religious lines are conveniently following ethnic lines that have existed much longer than islam. The main driver in the middle east is sunni-shia politics which equates to arab-persian politics. The west is just an issue to be dealt with after the shia issue has been dealt with ti the IS.
depends on how many powers are involved and whether they're being sneaky about it and how the bomb is made and who made it.
The question gets technical very quickly.
The simple answer is that who does it should be somewhat obvious from the geopolitics because you can look at who would benefit. Beyond that, you can examine the bomb residue to try and figure out who made it.
There is a big difference between US atomic bombs, Russian atomic bombs, etc.
Everything from how complete the detonation was to the ratios of isotopes you get after it goes off. Signatures.
If terrorists do it they'll claim responsibility because that's what terrorists do. And we know who their sponsors are.
Some detective work might be required if people are being cagey about it. But if it were as simple as sneaking a suitcase nuke into a city and then saying "wasn't me"... then it would have been tried during the cold war.
The Russians knew better than to do that. Just because we don't get a radar trace on a launch doesn't mean we can't figure out where it came from.
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none of which mattes because Iraq is in no position to help Iran. Frankly, Iraq is hurting Iran more than anyone else. Isis is ripping Syria apart and Syria is Iran's only real ally.
To a certain extent, Iraq has restarted the Iraq-Iran war. They're crushing the Syrian resistance and with Syria falling apart Iran is alone.
As to the rest... you're just backing up what I said about ISIS undermining the Iranians.
Iran is getting isolated further and as they get closer to a bomb the arab states that are stable are getting closer to engaging in a rapid military build up with the notion of engaging Iran on their own.
If the US just walks away from the middle east... Iran will probably be annihilated.
This is just another reason why the Iranians are stupid. The US is well positioned to save them and ensure for them a prosperous safe country.
All they have to do is stop stroking the hate boner. The US would love to be good friends with the Iranians. We have great respect for them on many levels. But if they're working to kill us... then it would be irresponsible for us to not undermine them. We owe that to our children at the very least.
one of the dumber things a country can do if it wants to hurt the US is actually say they want to hurt us.
The US has a lot of "frienemies". Countries that smile at us and invite us to all the parties but talk shit and occasionally backstab us when they think they can get away with it.
No need to name names... you know who you are ;-) *kiss kiss*
But you don't say death to America, engage in a nuclear weapons program, fund terrorist cells, and then think the US isn't going to have a response to all that crap. You do all that and you're begging for it.
They're fools. They should have made nice with us. It would have cost them nothing. Literally nothing. And they would be more prosperous, secure, and powerful as a result.
But by engaging a power ridiculously out of their weight class they ensured their people exist in an environment the US naturally must keep marginalized if only because again... it would be irresponsible for us not to undermine the Iranians. They've said they want us dead. So... we'd like to make that impractical. And the best way to do that is to make them too weak and distracted to even get off a cheap shot.
The closer Iran gets to being able to land a cheap shot... the more incentivized the US is to arrange matters such that Iran suffers a tragic accident.
Blowing on the flames between Shia and Sunni could well be seen in the US as a last or near last resort solution to the Iran problem. Here someone will say that is monstrous. But one must keep in mind that they only haven't gone to war with each other because we've kept the peace between them. If the Iranians wish to reward us for that by attacking us... then it might be just as simple as leaving the room for a moment... letting their natural inclination to kill each other take over... and then returning to the room with a bucket of popcorn... and if it becomes reasonable... possibly coming in the last moment to either spare Iran annihilation or make sure the blade cuts cleanly.
Which ever is seen as the most appropriate.
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You are incorrect on every level. If anything, Iran is the only somewhat-rational and stable actor in the region. They need either nuclear weapons or an illusion of having some in order to protect themselves against the nuclear-armed, genocidal rogue state a couple doors down (that would be Israel). The whole "islamic" business is just a show to keep the populace unified - much like the US conservatives use "christianity" to coax their base into an "us vs. them" mentality.
The USA was actively trying to control Iran from the start. Being "nice" doesn't protect you. They have a choice: 1-be best friends with a major world power (and do their bidding). 2-Having a small nuclear arsenal. The US won't invade a nuclear armed country.
*chuckles*
Whatever you say, comrade. We'll see how this plays out. *kiss kiss*
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The biggest threat to Iran isn't Saudi Arabia, it's the US army. History has shown the American military doesn't directly attack a country with nuclear weapons. The risk of a few nuclear missiles from rival countries is acceptable casualties compared to what happened in the Iran/Iraq war.
The world trade centre attack was done by Saudi terrorists, and the US attacked Iraq in retaliation. If an Iranian hydrogen bomb takes out New York or Washington I expect that what's left of the US government and military will attack whoever they really want to attack, regardless of the evidence.
The cost analysis assumes that the sanctions would stop if Iran stopped their nuclear program. Would it? Or would US push for more concessions?
Because it would be impossible to sneak something in to the country in a cargo container or on a small private boat
You piss in Putin's face? Remind me which country Crimea belongs to? Remind me which country has troops in Ukraine? And please don't start with sanctions, these don't mean shit. Having nuclear weapons has worked out well for every country that got them. Israel, India, Pakistan & North Korea are all very glad they have them. They are great as defensive weapons if you have other countries that are desperate to topple your government.
Its more complicated than that. And really citing what happened way back when is not infinitely relevant. The US was at war with the British Empire for a time. They burned our white house to the ground in the war of 1812 for example...
Wise nations reassess every so often. We were once enemies of the Chinese. During the Korean war we slaughtered chinese soldiers like ants. I forget the name of the battle but we retreated into some mountains dragging our artillery up the mountain with us... and the chinese swarmed across the valley below... We made the valley BOIL with our artillery shells. Think of a pot of boiling water... BOIL.
Now we get along just fine. There is some tension over this south china sea thing. But we generally do quite well.
And as contrast look at the Russians. This property the Chinese have gone through could have been the Russians. Imagine the USSR if rather than declaring itself an enemy of the west and saying it was going to spread communism across the world by FORCE... if they had simply been our buddies. We probably would have given them Marshal plan money. They wouldn't have been able to keep their western conquests of course but they weren't able to keep them in the end anyway.
Stalin retarded the economic development of his country by decades... lowered the standard of living of his people... narrowed the horizons of hundreds of millions of people. For what? Nothing.
Look at the Japanese and Germans. Are they still mad at the US? We f'ing nuked the Japanese and we flattened the German cities with constant carpet bombing. We get along just fine.
All I'm saying... is reassess at intervals. The US does this all the time. We make peace with people we had problems with all the time. And we don't need to crush them to do it.
If Iran turned around tomorrow and said "never mind about all that death to America stuff... lets be buddies"... if we believed them... forgive us for being cautious... but if we believed them, then we'd be thrilled to accept.
There are certain cultures however that can't let anything go. The Russians can't let anything go. The Iranians can't let anything go. And so you can't make peace with them. Because they're still holding grudges and they're just going to bide their time until they can stab you in the back.
F' that. If that's how they're going to be then I'm not going to be the credulous American that drinks from the poisoned cup.
Be my friend and I'll be your friend. Be my enemy and don't be surprised when fuck you up. I refuse to apologize or feel bad about that. If these countries ACTUALLY want peace with the US... nothing would make us happier. Our only price for any of that is to not be raging assholes. Russia shouldn't be invading an annexing eastern european countries and Iran shouldn't be making state sponsored children's programs where they talk about how the US drinks baby blood, they work on a nuclear program with the express purpose starting a nuclear pissing contest in the WORST part of the world to do that, and of course the whole sponsoring terrorists thing which has escaped no one's notice in the region ever.
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If Iran gets nukes it won't make them safe though. It will just mean the US has to balance them.
And the tool we'll use is the Saudis, the Jordanians, and the Egyptians... all of which could go nuclear if the US just permitted it.
And then all the US has to do to destroy or simply neutralize Iran... is walk away.
Iran has no leverage. Absent the US in that region they'd all be at each other's throats... and whatever you think of Iran... they're out numbered, out spent, and out crazied by their rivals. And if their rivals have our passive support... What does Iran have to counter that?
Think it through. iran is already checkmated. The only people that don't notice it are those that can't see enough moves ahead. They have no future if they continue this course.
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Israel is in something of a precarious position itself, and is not going to use nukes unless they absolutely have to. Have they ever actually admitted to having them? Israel is a threat in many ways, but Israel is not a military threat to Iran.
Israel's also not genocidal that I've noticed. They've got a lot of faults, but I haven't seen a desire to wipe out a people or a culture.
If Iran wants to stay safe from Israeli attack, all they need to do is nothing. They can still go on the anti-Israeli rants for public consumption. The Israelis are used to that, and they really don't have enough ordnance to attack everybody who wants to wipe them out.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Everyone in the region also seems to hate everyone else in the region though. And Iran's economy is in shambles much like most of the rest of the economies in the regions are in shambles (excluding oil tycoons that is).
Don't get me wrong, I think Iran is behaving extremely stupidly. You're right that hate is holding them back probably, just let's acknowledge that the US wouldn't exactly be pouring money into them if they'd hold hands at UN conferences.
Remind me which country has crippling sanctions on its economy?
Remind me again which country has economy half the size of Italy?
Remind me which country makes on average 25 percent of what the other country makes PER PERSON.
Remind me which country has something the other ACTUALLY cares about?
You stalk about Crimean and Ukraine like the US actually needs that.
Wake up. It is RUSSIA that wants something from the US. Russia wants the US to recognize the Russians as having a dominant position in eastern europe. Russia wants the US to respect it.
What does Russia have that the US actually cares about?... Really?
Nothing.
We're going to keep pushing into Eastern europe. We're going to keep developing our missile defense technology. We're going to keep fucking with their economy and the Russians can't stop us.
Russia has no leverage. They're not a super power. They don't scare us. And all this crap Putin is doing is only hurting his country for nothing.
The USSR couldn't match the US and Putin thinks his country with half the GDP of Italy is going to take the US on? The man is a fucking clown. One of those annoying mimes perhaps. He's got the face for it.
Look, I don't want to be confrontational with Russia. I'd much rather they were our buddies. But Russia is trying to intimidate the US.
The US reads this much the way a man would read a snake hissing at him. Sure... you don't want to get bit by the snake. But that doesn't mean you don't get a shovel and knock its head off either.
If Russia made peace with the US, the trade sanctions would go away, foreign investment would return to Russia, and the Russian people would have some kind of future. But with putin challenging the US... they've got nothing. The Russian economy is collapsing. The military hardware that Russia has isn't sustainable. Its mostly cold war era rusting garbage and what isn't that old is still mostly garbage... and the Russians can't even maintain that. its all falling apart. And for nothing.
For Crimea? How long do you think Putin can keep fighting? Its costing him a lot more than it is costing us. And we haven't even started to send the Ukrainians heavy weapons.
What happens to Putins tanks that he can't replace if they get destroyed... when we start giving the Ukrainians TOW missiles and night vision goggles?
The Russians don't use night vision.
I don't know why so many internationals underestimate the US. You all think we're soft or aren't willing to get bloody.
How do you think we got to where we are? Think the US could face down Imperial Japan, Hilter, and then after the war face down Stalin without having some steel in our spines?
You people are hilarious. Who educates you jokers? We're quite capable of dealing with Putin. The Russians think they're spooky because they've all ODed on the mythos of the great soviet empire they don't have anymore. But unlike the little countries they like to bully, we actually faced off against their old empire. We're not even remotely afraid of the Russian Federation.
The Russians aren't even a shadow of what they were. And we were quite happy to dance with the Russians at their peak. Today? Pfft.
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Think the US could face down Imperial Japan, Hilter, and then after the war face down Stalin without having some steel in our spines?
Don't forget Vietnam and Afghanis...oh wait.
You should look into the question of Germany's use of railway shipping to send Jews to death camps versus sending supplies to the fighting fronts.
Well, what else do you use the empty rail cars returning from the front for?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Actually we would pour money into them. Not literal cash possibly but trade opportunities, industrial assistance, etc.
Keep in mind that the US keeps peace in east asia... everyone hates the japanese and yet everyone gets along because everyone has abstracted their strategic defense to the US. So they don't saber rattle at each other. They just send each other mean letters or write op eds in their various newspapers.
We could do the same thing for the middle east. In fact, much of the peace in the middle east is our partial execution of that service. Without the peace we provide they've be at each other's throats.
And if we wanted to destroy Iran... the easiest thing to do would be to walk away and let the Shia and Sunni eat each other. The only thing they all agree on is that they hate israel. So whether israel would survive that is questionable. But possibly they could be Switzerland if they went out of their way to not cause problems with the Palestinians.
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Vietnam we left because internal political problems not because we lost any battles... same thing in Afghanistan.
And regardless... who said anything about fighting the Russians head to head?
No no... we're going to bleed them. We're just going to sit there and do a million little things that cripple them a little more every day.
The life of Russia will be one of disappointment and hardship. The Russians should love it.
We can keep that up indefinitely. And all these countries they're dicking with... easy when they've got nothing to fight back with... right? What happens when we give their neighbors enough anti tank mines to make tank pushes suicidal... what happens when we give the locals man portable anti tank rockets?
And my personal favorite... what happens when we give them night vision goggles. You want to be a Russian tank battalion in Ukraine territory under a black new moon when the Ukrainians are out there and can see by starlight?
Have fun with that.
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There is a big difference between US atomic bombs, Russian atomic bombs, etc.
I'm not trying to be cheeky but I don't understand why we still use the word 'atomic'. I thought we decided 'nuclear' was a better choice because all bombs can be said to be 'atomic' in nature. That said I appreciate that it was originally referred to as the 'atom bomb'.
Just curious!
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
I was getting worried there for a bit that Godwin's law hadn't shown up yet. Thanks for delivering.
If you're going to make the claim that current Iranian leaders are the same as Hitler, you're going to have to offer an argument with a bit more substance than "They're both bad guys, they must be the same!"
A fool and his hard drive are soon parted.
Wrong... about what? I don't even know what I'm supposed to be refuting.
I never said Persia didn't attack anybody. They attacked and killed loads of people during their long history.
I'm just saying it's preposterous to think they would risk everything just to kill some infidels. And it is. Every informed person agrees on this.
A fool and his hard drive are soon parted.
Agreed. We are not the country we were 50-70 years ago. Not even close.
We might be again, but it will take some real pain and hardship before we collectively choose to sack up.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
Given the way the hard-core Muslims talk, I would think that their plan (i.e., Iran) is to get the nukes, take out Tel Aviv, New York, Washington, whatever, and sit back and let Allah sort it out. It's kind of built in to their religion.
That said, the people of Iran as a whole are reasonable and just looking to live their own lives, just like us, and if there was enough of a popular uprising, supported by the West, maybe Iran's mullahs could be fettered and the country be allowed to rejoin the modern world. If only... oh, wait, that happened a few years ago and we sat on our hands. Oh, well.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
But they've got such a raging hate boner that they can't see they're destroying themselves. FOR NOTHING.
Well, if you look at what's really going on in the west, with the globalist control of world wide production and shit like the depopulation agenda being rationalized by the bogus Climate Change models, etc. Then you might think, "Well, fuck. We'll be used to manufacture consent for war anyway, perhaps we should at least stick to our guns and not give into the NWO like everyone else. At least we'll be able to sleep at night -- and in the off chance that the people of the world wake up and take action, we'll be on the correct side of history too."
Why does anyone pretend that their program is about anything other than having nuclear weapons to (counter)threaten their neighbours with? It is about power, but not about energy.
lunatics who think it's a good idea to bomb Iran.
To be fair, nuking a couple of Iranian cities would be a great boon to the military industrial complex, even if it meant that a few western cities were also bombed. Nukes aren't the end-all-be-all that cold-war propaganda makes them out to be. Yes, devastating as fuck, but you have to be daft if you don't think it would be an economic boon to the war-machine states like the US. Beware, if the US economy tanks (and it will, because that drives down the price of labor and benefits the globalist elites in control), as such an event can signal a solution to said recession and imposition of draconian laws in the form of a large scale war.
Those who don't study their history are doomed to repeat it.
Has anyone stopped believing the usual BS about weapons of mass destruction? Iran is after Nuclear power, a clean source of energy. Article assumes that Iran has vast sources of fuel rods, which is highly doubtful. Certainly not as many sources as the other nuclear power generating countries do. Iran started at nuclear energy 101, article compares costs to a fully developed program. Oh look, another accusation that Iran is after war. And another. And another. Nevermind the FACT that Iran hasn't attacked anyone in over 200 years. Which brings up the point that Iran has been around that long. Why can't we just accept that Iran is a sovereign nation and leave them be.
Nazi Germany had much US financing
Wow dude, that reads like some serious hard-ball propaganda. You really don't like Iran do you?
Jesus, where to start. The economic sanctions have hurt them, but the economy isn't in shambles. They still have A LOT of oil. And as long as someone buys it, the sanctions don't do much to that. I mean, China is buying the oil, a fungible resource. It's #2 in OPEC. Honestly, US shale oil from fraking is probably hurting them more than the sanctions.
You'll see it is already checkmate on Iran.
Wow, that's some serious fluff you've got going on there. Checkmate.
the rest of the middle east which mostly hates them will get nukes about five minutes later
Where the hell does this come from? Is the USA going to give nukes to the Saudis? To Jordan? To Iraq!? oh hell no.
And we've already (very foolishly) given at least a couple nukes to Israel.
The Iranians have overdosed on their "great satan" propaganda.
You realize that the "great-satan" guy Ahmadinnerplate doesn't have any power right? He's a spokesperson for the nation. And he got voted out in 2013 and replaced by a more moderate guy.
Imagine a different world. A world where Iran wasn't going out of its way to be a dick head.
That'd probably involve a world where the CIA and Britian and didn't overthrow their government and install a puppet-dictator in a blatant oil-grab. Blowback is a bitch isn't it?
They could be an industrial power in the middle east. The Germany or Japan of the region.
Of the region? "The region" is EARTH, and our neighbors are CHINA, who makes everything. Welcome to globalization. It's been going on for a while.
A minor oil exporter
Wut? Sure, they used to be #3 back in 2011, but they're still #7 in 2014. Right above UAE.
And what did they get in return for [trying to be a nuclear power]?
Power. The threat of power. The compromise from the the western powers at the negotiating table when it comes to Iranian power. And I believe they're working on nuclear sovereignty like their neighbors Pakistan and India.
why do it? Besides fetal lead poisoning leading to chemically induced retardation
Wow dude, wtf?
history... colonialism... so what?
It wasn't actually colonialism. Iran was established and civilized during the colonial period. The major historical event that someone else has obviously told you about before was in the 50
s and after 30 years they took back their country. It's that revolution is the reason that the USA is being dicks to Iran. Both sides are holding grudges for pretty bad shit in the past.
What relevance does that have on 2015?
Yeah, I'd say more recent events like the USA unilaterally invading and occupying their neighbor would be a more relevant issue affecting the political landscape. 300,000 dead civvies is not something you just overlook.
The Iranians should be trying to make friends with the US.
Says the US nationalist. It would end sanctions though, that's a plus. I'm REALLY not too sure about that whole military security thing. Imagine if Ukraine had nukes.
Really, there's a legitimate argument here that Iran's nuclear program hasn't been a good idea in the long run, even when you consider the political power that comes with being nuclear armed. But you're just so over the top and blinded to the reality of the situation that I had to say something. Ease up on the kool-aid or you might get fooled into thinking the next pointless war is going to pay itself off in 3 months.
Saddam Husseign was a major dirtbag, but you fail to explain why the West supported him in the Iran-Iraq war and why his nasty tactics were overlooked:
Iran was even worse and more savage.
Remember Iran using its own children as human landmine detectors? Yup the Iranians, under their ancient leaders were the mighty Persian empire, but under Shiite Islam they are extreme barbarians who seek desperately seek a global bloodbath to bring-on the arrival of their messiah. They are quite simply the most barbaric and evil regime on Earth at this time. Make no mistake, if they get nukes, there WILL be a nuclear war in your lifetime, because unlike everybody else on Earth, they WANT and NEED one to support their religious beliefs, which they take so seriously that they have a government policy of killing people for opposing.
There are a huge number of churches in the USA. About 30 burn every week (more majority-white churches burn than majority-black churches). Over 80% burn for non-arson reasons including lightning strikes (most have steeples are are the tallest structures in their neighborhoods), bad wiring (many are old), appliances left on (volunteers make mistakes and leave coffee pots and hotplates on, etc).
The most-recent six churches being cherry-picked to make the headline "black churches burned!" are from multiple states (spread very thin and avoiding the white churches that burned and the vast majority of black churches in those states that did not burn) include two probable arsons (one done by a black man), two lightning strikes, and two still under investigation.
Find some ammunition for your anti-TEA Party hatred elsewhere.
The Russians don't use night vision.
Where do you get this shit? Do you just make things up, or do you actually pull shit out of your ass and dump it on your keyboard?
Of course the Russians use night vision, you fucktwit.
Vietnam we left because internal political problems not because we lost any battles...
You're not really a student of history, are you? You make it seem like the US made an orderly withdrawal on it's own terms. Perhaps you should read up on the fall of Saigon.
Carry wounded and material for depot level repair to maintain the war effort?
It wasn't rail cars coming from the front that carried Jews to the extermination camps, but I trust you already knew that.. The Germans sacrificed some of their ability to supply their troops in order to kill more Jews. It was a vile hatred that came back to bite them. Maybe you should consider that.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
You retreated up a mountain dragging your artillery with you? No, you didn't. Other people did. You attributed precisely nothing to that. You are not them, they are not you. An accident of birth does not give you the right to claim the actions of others as your own, even if you are so reprehensibly insecure that you physically need to do so. You sound like you have multiple personality disorder when you speak for all these other people without a second thought.
Isnt that also an over simplification? Be my friend? Generally friendship happens on equal terms, in this case history clearly shows the US wants to control a lot of social and economic areas of Iranian internal politics to their advantage, it's like being friends with the school bully to not have your ass kicked every day... Iran seems to be aiming to have a baseball bat to deter the bully, no idea how it will play out but historically the only way you could see the US as the good guy (as opposed to both being bad) is if you consider US self interest to be more valuable then the millions of lost civilian lives in the middle east that is a direct consequence of their influence.
As to my feelings on Iran, I have no problem with any nation that isn't plotting overtly or subtly to kill my people or my allies.
Iran comes by my enmity honestly. They've earned it through their actions and ambitions. That said, if they stop doing those things and sincerely give up the quest to destroy my people... then I can forgive them tomorrow.
I am quick to forgive and quick to anger. I respond.
As to fluff... not really, you're taking statements out of context and stripping out my supporting logic. This basically means you're attempting a strawman. It has not gone unnoticed.
As to the Saudis etc getting nukes... they could all buy them if the US didn't stop it. What do you think stops nuclear proliferation in the first place? What is more what can the US do in the end here? If Iran gets nukes then the arabs will have justification to arm themselves and they could acquire nukes from the Pakistanis at the very least.
You apparently don't know anything about geopolitical nuclear containment. Its a pillar of US foreign policy and the fact that you're aware of it means you have no credibility on this issue.
As to your point that there is bad history in the region... so what? There is bad history between the US and Germany... the US and Japan... The US and China... we all get along just fine. Rational players learn to let it go and move on.
States that can't do that fail to adapt and suffer for it.
As to the advantage you presume for being a nuclear power... its vastly overrated.
All being a nuclear power means is that you're not able to be invaded directly. Or that if you are... you could detonate a nuke... which might be something that could be managable.
A key point you have to keep in mind with a nuclear program is that the US and Russia long ago learned that land based nukes are actually not effective deterrants against a first strike.
The US and Russia deal with that by having our primary ICBM punch on subs. So the first strike would not stop a full MAD response from the US even if you completely obliterated the US. The subs would just move into range and exact their revenge.
The Iranians will not be able to credibly do that. Which means if the US actually wanted to invade anyway... we could first strike their nuclear facility shutting down their bomb... or missile... and then they have nothing.
Nuclear weapons by all but perhaps 3 powers in the world are a false sense of security.
The European nukes can all be destroyed by first strike. Same with the Indians and Pakistanis and Israelis, etc. The Iranian nuclear program is not a direct threat to the US. The actual threat is the effect of having it or the presumption of having it on the middle east. We could see the middle eastern powers all nuclearly arm which would make a regional nuclear war very likely.
That is actually why the US cares about the Iranian nuclear program. Not because we're worried about the Iranians using it on us. They couldn't. And not because we're upset that we wouldn't be able to attack them because we could. The issue is that the Saudis etc will arm up as well and a full blow regional nuclear war becomes likely.
Now... there is a point where it becomes counter productive for the US to even try to stop that war. There is a point where our best move is to back off... and just let it happen. It would mean the deaths of millions but the resulting peace after that war would likely be more stable and sustainable. And of course... there would be no blood on our hands.
You're not thinking strategically. You need to back out and see the world... see time... see the forces... and then start extrapolating. What you'll find is that Iran is digging their own grave. As I said... best case is that they trigger a nasty response from their neighbors that leads to a stand off and no net gain of power while if anything increasing the risks and costs of conflict. They would have to tone down the hate speech or they'd likely destroy themselves.
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Habit... I'm from California and we pronounce nuclear very slightly differently than do people on the east coast. And if you say nuclear the way we do, then they turn their heads sideways and say "what did you say?"... with a superior smirk that makes me want to take an eye out with a spoon... they think they're clever because they basically think only their pronunciation of words are valid. So some guy from the Bronx with a thick fucking accent can say nuclear and they don't bat an eye. Because everything from New York is valid. But a guy from Los Angeles says it and they presume to snicker.
As a result, I just say atomic. I can't be bothered to explain to those morons why their position is asinine every time they do that. I've had New Yorkers presume to do that to me several times and I can either be livid with them or not give the little robots any ammunition to script on to over the issue.
You asked.
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In Georgia the Russians didn't use it... the Georgians had night vision and drones and it gave them an advantage when in equal numbers. Georgia lost because when the Russians started taking causalities they just rushed across the border with overwhelming force.
The US is paying attention to this and we're going to frustrate further invasions by Russia by seeing that weapons are in place or US forces can be mobilized such that Russian forces are stopped or frustrated long enough to permit attrition to either force them back or even give time for US reinforcements to intimidate them back across the line.
The Russian tactics are poor. They don't have the US experience.
People say "america is always fighting a war"... but they don't understand that that also means we have more experience with modern warfare. Most of what the Russians did in the Georgian campaign they actually learned by watching us... the combined forces strikes with airpower and rapid advancement of troops is something we put on display every time we get serious.
Regardless... all the US has to do is make aggression both embarrassingly costly and financially costly for Russia. We do that and they'll look weak at home every time they try it.
A direct confrontation is not required.
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I'm fully aware... we left.
Fyi, ignorance and arrogance are a bad combo. You might want to look at that.
As to evidence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Saigon fell as a result of political turmoil in the US that caused the US to pull back. That led to the collapse of the south Vietnamese lines leading to the total collapse of the South Vietnam.
We were not driven back due to military pressure.
We consistently fucked the Vietcong up until the politics shifted in the US. Then we left.
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... are you ever uncomfortable with that dick in your ass? Just curious.
Exactly what relevance does your little statement have? I was citing myself as an american... and pointing out that Americans had some very intense battles with the Chinese... and despite killing a LOT of chinese soldiers... we're generally pretty friendly with each other today.
And that is to both our benefit.
The Chinese don't bow to the US and the US doesn't bow to the Chinese. Neither needs to submit to the other. We cooperate and mutually profit from trade, cultural exchange, and yes... the chinese profit from US hegemony because it is only through us that the trade networks they base their economy on even exist.
As to your pathetic little attack... suggesting that I am not an American because I wasn't in a given war is stupid. My family fought in all those wars.
I had a grand father in the battle of the bulge as well as on a destroyer in the pacific. I had a uncles in Korea and Vietnam. One of my uncles flew for the CIA's Air America and died in Vietnam. I have cousins to this day in Air Force and in various branches of intelligence.
So you can go fuck yourself with a rake, you little shit.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Not really. The US is friends with a lot of countries you couldn't say we control.
Do we control Europe? Friends with them. Do we control East Asia? The East Asians would say we don't... who knows better... you or the people living there?
The US has influence all over the world but conflating influence with control is not supportable.
As to the sort of control the US wants over Iran... nothing. All we want is for them not to develop a nuclear program that could trigger a nuclear response from everyone in the region. We want them to not indoctrinate their people to hate us or our allies. And we'd like them to stop sponsoring terrorists against either us or our allies.
That's the extent of US objectives on Iran. Nothing more.
Is that unreasonable?
As to your notions of what the US is... you're not thinking about the issue strategically. You're taking a very emotional perspective on it and it makes it impossible for you to really appreciate what you're talking about.
The big issue the US is trying to prevent in the middle east is a regional nuclear war.
If Iran goes nuclear then the rest of the middle east is going to go nuclear. We won't be able to stop it and even if we could... we won't.
Which means we'll pull back and eventually the insane politics of the region will cause a regional nuclear war. The Jews will probably get genocided which is something we've been trying to prevent. Iran will probably get genocided... and the whole region will be crippled for centuries.
This is a very likely outcome if Iran's nuclear program goes unchecked.
Do the strategic math. Be Kasparov for a second. Channel your inner chess master. Think 10 moves out.
Follow the chain of causal logic.
A leads to B leads to C leads to D leads to E etc.
Sit down and war game it out. Just think about the regional consequences of the Iranians getting a nuke.
The Shia Sunni rivery is going to mean that the Saudis, Jordanians, and Egyptians... possibly the Turks are strongly encouraged to go nuclear. Pakistan will likely facilitate that.
And what can the US do to stop it at that point?
Once nuclear containment breaks down the ability of the US to stabilize the region and prevent all out war between the various nations becomes impractical. The US will have to pull back. We'll encourage Israel to hunker down and try to stay out of it. Be nice to the Palestinians. Say nothing. Do nothing.... remain ready. The likelyhood of the various factions to destroy each other is quite high. They're aggressive, short sighted, xenophobic of anyone that is not them, and generally unconcerned with their own survival so long as whatever is in the name of their religion.
This sort of attitude is a bad combination with nuclear weapons. And it will lead to a regional run away nuclear exchange.
Now that said... as Iran gets closer to having a bomb or even once they have one... the rival powers will basically not care what the US does so long as it ends with Iran either being destroyed or not having a bomb anymore. That means the US will increasingly have a blank check to deal with Iran.
The Iranians are checkmated here. They don't see it because they don't think strategically.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
It was meant as a poor joke...I suppose I should have used a /s.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Can you unpack that a bit... I'm not sure what you're specifically saying there. Make falsifiable statements please... things that can be right or wrong. You're so vague here that I don't know how to read it.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
If you listen to the TEApartiers SPEAK, they're fucking lunatics!
As to the other poster, yes, they may be isolated acts by people who have little or no political power, but then again, they're dragging BOTH PARTIES around. And ISIS are an isolated idiocracy with little or no political power and even less armament than the teabaggers and white supremacists in the USA who are 100% as insane and built by funtamentalist faith to believe that their insanity is part of a holy war.
To the other one, this would indicate that 15-20% of burnings are proven to be due to deliberate arson. In what way is your post going to make up for the insanity of those doing it? Or was that a desperate "SQUIRREL!!!!!!".
And since there are more guns than people in the USA, that makes about a quarter billion millitia in the USA to compare with that 1 million you claim for Iraq.
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
As to evidence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You can point to as many battles as you want, numbnuts. That the US people stood up to their own government against a war that was going nowhere (except for a a rising US body count) doesn't change the fact that you lost the war.
Now warmongering imbeciles like you are beating the drums to arm Ukraine. Will you idiots ever learn?
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... ap
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
legitimate security concerns.
They also have five, potentially hostile (if the world turns to shit) nuclear armed countries within medium range missile range.
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
In Georgia the Russians didn't use it...
So what? The Russo-Georgian War was eight fucking years ago. The Russians have the technology NOW and they will certainly be using it when they need to going forward.
American fools like you are always claiming that this or that superior tech will lead to decisive victory in one of your endless wars. It is hubris of the highest order. News flash: it's going to take more than shipping a bunch of night vision goggles to Ukraine to make any difference in that conflict. That you think googles are some kind of panacea ensuring victory only proves what a cretin you are.
If morons like you carry the day in America, you idiots will be in for another hard lesson. I don't hold out much hope that you'll learn anything from it - you haven't so far.
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
When you are overthrowing dictators you can make rationalizations and justifications but when the USA overthrows democratically elected governments because they are doing something that large corporations don't like then the USA's true colors are shown. Iran, Guatemala in the 50s to Chile in the 70s and onward to the attempt at Chavez in Venezuela and now the Ukraine and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
The USA does not promote democracy and freedom. It kills it when someone does something they don't like or more accurately when someone does something the USA's owners don't like. This is not new. It goes back more than a century. Read General Smedley Butler's great rant "War is a racket".
So the only people who can stop it are the USA citizens. Will they? No. Why? Because most are lazy, complacent and stupid enough to believe their government's lies.
See subject, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" - Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:
1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stops C&C communique
3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stops C&C communique
4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stops C&C communique
5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phish
10.) Protect vs. caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
15.) Give you easily controlled data
16.) Do all that & block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory usage vs. addons
* ANSWER ="NO" to each on ab+ doing it or as well + hosts = already on every device natively.
APK
P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):
Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).
+
ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!
+
Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
Ab+ adds complexity + slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).
What's best?
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
... apk
See subject & LMAO @ U, boy -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
FACT: "AlmostALLAdsBlocked+" is INFERIOR vs. hosts - hugely so!
AB+ doesn't even DO what it's supposed to fully anymore being BRIBED http://finance.yahoo.com/news/... not to!
AB+ doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity online!
AB+ EATS 128mb of RAM (vs. hosts @ 11 *maybe* tops via my program with CURRENT data, the important kind vs. current threats + ads) http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...
AB+ adds messagepassing overheads!
AB+ operates in SLOWER usermode (vs. hosts in PnP kernelmode)
AB+ creates huge CPU consumption!
AB+ is also detectable by clarityray (via native browser methods) nullifying it (not hosts).
---
I use what you already have that works & does more with LESS, no less - you by way of comparison? Pile on "MoAr" that doesn't do as nearly as much & what it's supposed to do, massively inefficiently no less (see above)?
Ab+ NO LONGER DOES!
* AFTER ALL THAT?
AB+ = "better", Coren22?? LMAO - NO f'ing way!
If you say it is, you are *TRULY* stupid & I'd reply saying "argue with the numbers" & facts above, from reputable sources & analysis proving my points for me!
APK
P.S.=> Gonna go "cry in your cereal" now, boy?
(You ought to for being STUPID enough to use OR SUGGEST a blatantly INFERIOR solution! See above - it's fact & truth via reputable sources)... apk
A series of nukes are sent in hidden in containers to as many US ports as possible and boom... Iran? IS? N. Korea? A. N. Other?
The only question is 'when' this will happen...
The Russian tactics are poor. They don't have the US experience.
...then you say:
A direct confrontation is not required.
You do realize American experience won't count for squat unless there is direct confrontation, right? The only alternative for the east Ukrainians to take advantage of American experience would be for the US to train their army. How did that work out for you in Iraq?
Sending in trainers and/or American arms sounds like a recipe for handing over your technology to the Russians.
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
---
"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
---
* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
---
"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
---
* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
---
"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
---
* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
---
"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
---
* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
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I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
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Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
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Most of what the Russians did in the Georgian campaign they actually learned by watching us...
The Russian tactics are poor.
Well, if they're copying us, maybe Russian tactics aren't so bad after all.
Or is that the Russians have observed our miserable failures in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last ten years and now know what *not* to do?
Hard to feel sorry for a country whose PM publicly threatened to wipe my country (and several of our allies) off the map.
Not to mention denying the holocaust.
Not to mention killing my neighbor's dad and running one of my friends (now a Ph.D at Boeing) out of their country.
But I do feel sorry for the people who live there.
We learned. The USSR and China had good success arming N Vietnam. Just like we will have arming Ukraine, Georgia, Poland, Chechnya, Estonia, Latvia etc etc.
Even Finland is welcome to the party (psst. We have Vodka).
If you really piss of off, we'll arm the Siberians. That's Russia's last good hole card (resources and all).
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Just like Russia, we have 'export versions'.
American export versions are better weapons than Rusky domestic. So they might learn something.
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You do realize American experience won't count for squat unless there is direct confrontation, right?
Karmashock's cognitive dissonance goes way farther than that. Here's an example from the same post:
First he says:
... or US forces can be mobilized such that Russian forces are stopped
Then he says:
...force them back or even give time for US reinforcements
Then he caps it off with this:
A direct confrontation is not required.
Anyone who takes this guy seriously should have their head examined.
Pay no attention to what they're saying, but what they're doing. It will take more than a few high-ranking imams to get the nukes sent out, and the rest of the people involved will have an excellent chance to make sure it doesn't happen, likely while keeping plausible deniability for the imams.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Habit... I'm from California and we pronounce nuclear very slightly differently than do people on the east coast. And if you say nuclear the way we do, then they turn their heads sideways and say "what did you say?"... with a superior smirk that makes me want to take an eye out with a spoon... they think they're clever because they basically think only their pronunciation of words are valid.
Every day, in every way, I hate Humans just a little bit more.
As a result, I just say atomic. I can't be bothered to explain to those morons why their position is asinine every time they do that. I've had New Yorkers presume to do that to me several times and I can either be livid with them or not give the little robots any ammunition to script on to over the issue.
Seems like a completely reasonable position to avoid pulling one's own head off in frustration. I'm sorry you have so many arrogant idiots around you, the only consolation I can offer is that here in NZ we have more angry SJW idiots so we're no better off. :)
Around here, the word 'nuclear' (which we pronounce "nyoo-cleer") is about as offensive to Joe Average as the word 'nigger' because we are all so intellectual we just *know* that nuclear=bad because atoms and stuff.
Thanks for taking the time to explain, it's always interesting to learn another person's reasoning.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Oh my summer child... what do you know of SJWs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
You've not seen an SJW until you've seen a San Franciscan hipster. Those ones are outright cultural marxists. The real deal. Sophists to the core.
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And yet we saw the soviets pushed out of Afghanistan by doing little more than giving the locals some stinger missiles.
Russia has already lost. They just don't know it. They're not able to sustain their existing forces with their economy much less replace losses much less upgrade anything.
Russia's only long term hope was making peace with the West. We could have saved them. But Russia has decided to challenge us with an economy half the size of Italy, a retrograde technological base, no friends in the world, and surrounded by neighbors that hate them.
Believe what you like. Its checkmate six moves and the only people that don't know it are the amateurs.
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... you're not thinking it through. We don't have to engage them directly to manipulate the situation against them. And our experiences are relevant in our goals, tactics, strategies, and thus ultimately what we have done to Russian forces through proxies.
When I said we wouldn't engage directly, I did not say we would not use proxies. And what proxies do the Russians have these days? None. Proxies must be supplied and paid for and the Russians can't even pay for their own forces much less fund proxies. Money and weapons are going to start flowing into eastern europe. Before we were just trying to rebuild and repair the damage the soviets did to Eastern Europe while at the same time make countries in the area feel safe and secure enough that investment could flow in to build up their industrial base.
But now the Russians have made it clear that they are a problem that needs to be solved. And that means efforts are going to be made to resolve the Russian issue so that we can go back to fixing eastern europe without further disturbance.
This will likely take the form of training, cooperation, the staging of US bases in the area, rapid response forces that can be brought to bear quickly, and of course arming the local forces such that if Russia makes a move they'll take unacceptable losses. Giving the locals modern US man portable anti tank rockets will make it very hard for them to move tanks through territory quickly. They'll have to send out scouts to clear ambushes etc.
This will slow their advance down significantly... and that will give the US plenty of time to reinforce the area with forces capable of stopping the Russian advance cold.
I do not think the Russians are stupid enough to engage those forces when they show up. The russians have relied recently on simply doing everything so quickly that by the time the US can respond it is already over.
If we can slow them down and reduce our reaction times in the area... then the Russians can't advance. What is more... it is critical that they take heavy losses when they push forward. Anti tank mines, man portable anti tank rockets... and of course giving the locals some actual proper tanks themselves should be enough to stop them.
The Russians like to use the US involvement as a pretext for invasion. We might play a double proxy ploy for example.
Fund poland and then have poland station troops in Ukraine. So no US troops... but a NATO member willing and able to fight to death.
We have a lot of options and a lot of resources. The Russians have neither. They can't win unless the US does everything wrong and the Russians do everything right. No one is that unlucky or lucky. The US will get a few things right and the Russians will get a few things wrong... and the US has too much leverage to lose and the Russians are too over leveraged to make even one mistake.
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... are you legit retarded? Like... really? Are you wearing a football helmet and typing by banging your head into a keyboard in some sort of assisted living facility?
I said from the start we left the war due to internal political reasons. Not because we were driven out by military force. And you just said I couldn't deny that the american people made their political will heard to end the war... and you say that while believing you're contradicting me?
Just shut up. You're too stupid to have this conversation.
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Not really... copying someone is not the same thing as understanding. They learn by watching what we do but they don't know why we do it or know all the things we could have done or the counters to the things we did do.
Its a good deal more complicated.
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The mullahs will never be evicted once they get the bomb.
That's what they get: they can be corrupt self-interested tyrants and they never will be kicked out or pressured too much.
You're too stupid to have this conversation.
And you're too stupid to admit that the USA LOST THE VIETNAM WAR. You lost it the same way you lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. Accept reality and learn from it. Or not.
But please, continue advocating for the next military quagmire in the Ukraine. Keep it going over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Your defense industry will love it. The American people? Not so much.
First, Osama was not sponsored by the Saudi government.
Second, he did not run and hide in Saudi Arabia and then the saudis did not protect him.
Third, we did not attack Iraq after 9/11 nor was the justification for doing so 9/11.
Fourth, we attacked Afghanistan after 9/11 because Osama had gone to ground and was being protected by the Taliban.
As to attacking whomever without evidence, why do you think we wanted to attack Iraq in the first place? I think you were very mislead on US objectives and thinking in that matter.
A whole lot of people buy a lot of really stupid propaganda.
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And yet we saw the soviets pushed out of Afghanistan by doing little more than giving the locals some stinger missiles.
Crappy strawman.
See, I don't give a rat's ass about stinger missiles or the Soviet conflict in Afghanistan. I'm pointing out that your claim "The Russians don't use night vision." is patently false.
You make shit up. A lot. And you bury your shit inside never ending posts with the hope that you can camouflage your bullshit inside something resembling the truth.
The thing is, smart people around here have recognized your obvious modus operandi long ago. And we are more than happy to let you get caught up in responding to trolls. It keeps you out of the way.
Depend on how you define winning and losing.
Lets say I want you do something... and I beat the shit out of you to encourage you to do that... let say you really don't do any harm to me but I beat you until you're lying a pool of your own blood piss and shit.
Then I leave... and you still didn't do what I wanted you to do?
Did you win?
To say the US won in vietnam you'd have to say "yes, the guy that got the shit beaten out of him but still didn't comply won."
That is generally not how one determines winners and losers in a war.
In Afghanistan, lets say there was a house with several people in it... and we beat the hell out of the people causing us a problem and then put the people we wanted in charge of the house. Then we tried to give them some self defense training... gave them a gun with some ammo... and told them to take care of themselves. Then when we left the guy we beat up took the gun away from the guy we gave it too and went back to his old tricks. Did he win? Not against the US. Possibly against the guy we gave the gun to but conflating the Afghan government with the US is not reasonable.
Iraq is basically the same story.
Holding Iraq or Afghanistan merely required a US presence to backstop the local militaries that were too weak for various reasons to hold on their own. The same could of course be said of Vietnam. Had we stayed... the south would not have fallen.
Leaving does not mean losing. We were driven out of none of these countries. Nothing the Vietcong, the Taliban, or Isis did forced the US out.
It was political pressure at home that caused us to pull back and for those territories to be lost.
if you want to say the US was defeated... you could possibly put the blame on the Democrat party since they were to my knowledge the official political force that caused the changes that led directly to US forces being withdrawn.
So... is that the argument you want to make? That the Democrat party is really good at undermining US foreign policy? Because that's more rational than anything you've said thus far.
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Third, we did not attack Iraq after 9/11
9/11: 2001
Invasion of Iraq: 2003
Not sure what you definition of after is, but that satisfies mine.
Vietnam we left because internal political problems not because we lost any battles... same thing in Afghanistan.
That is part of the strategy of waging war. Can't remember the Sun Tzu quote, but when your enemy is long way from home, you drag the conflict on as long as possible so he loses heart. It isn't the first time the Vietnamese and Afghans have defeated foreign invaders this way.
Depend on how you define winning and losing.
I define winning as achieving your objectives. How the fuck do you define it?/
Go on re-defining words in the hope that your arguments might fool others into buying into your crap. The more intelligent readers of this site have stopped reading your crackpot noise a long time ago.
Another one of your long-winded attempts to obfuscate your logical defeat. Sad. Go kill yourself.
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They must be related.
Yes, we did invade Iraq at a time after 9/11 but the invasion of Iraq was only related to 9/11 in that the US was still keyed up and thus a little more trigger happy than before.
Thus when Saddam started dicking with the inspectors and we already had forces In Afghanistan... it was politically, logistically, and psychologically more acceptable to just say "fuck it - invade"
Now would the US have invaded Iraq without 9/11? Possibly not. Its hard to know as there are a lot of factors. But you can't say the US justified the invasion on the basis of 9/11. It was justified on the basis of nuclear containment which is a really really really really really big issue in US strategic policy.
There is something I've noticed with internationals and it is that they have ZERO conception for geopolitical strategy... I've seen no indication that you're taught any of this in school or university.
We get a little of it in the US and if you pick up any of our books on foreign policy then that's all they are... they literally don't talk about anything else. Its all strategic policy.
Now strategic policy can be bullshit. The Domino Theory was used as justification to fight the Vietnam war for example. The notion that if Vietnam fell it would cause a cascading domino effect where regional powers would fall into communist hands one at a time like tipping dominos.
But whether valid or invalid you have to understand that a lot of our behavior is based what our model for geopolitical strategy is from one moment to the next.
And different people have different theories.
A really big one that is shared by pretty much everyone in the state department and pentagon is the notion of nuclear containment.
The notion is that if some countries get nukes it encourages other countries to get nukes to counter them. And then other countries have to get nukes to counter those nukes. Its kind of a domino thing as well if you want to gainsay it. But the point is that it is believed by the US government that if Iran for example gets nukes that everyone in the middle east is going to want them.
And then you're going to have a high concentration of stupid assholes that hate everyone... they literally hate everyone... they hate each other they hate us they even hate themselves. They're not happy people. And then what happens when they have nukes?
Well they're suicidal on occasion. They get their religion all fired up... they stoke the fires of their hate... and they do really stupid things because they can't help themselves.
Now what is the US supposed to do in a nuclear Middle East for example?
Think about that. Not just Iran... EVERYONE has nukes... just contemplate that situation.
Now can the US get in there and defuse the situation and keep people from killing each other? Not really.
The whole thing is more analogous to a suspicious package that is probably a bomb... what does the bomb disposal unit do with it? Well... they put it in a bomb proof container and then they put another bomb inside the container to basically force the bomb in the package to go off.
And that is pretty much what the US is going to do if the middle east goes nuclear... we're going to back off... and with a really long stick... we're going to poke them so they just blow themselves up.
That is one of the end games if Iran gets nukes. It baffles me that internationals don't get this education. You all say stuff like "the US is important because you do things that effect us"... and then you make no effort to actually understand how we ACTUALLY think. You just watch some movies or tv shows and think you know something. It would be like watching bollywood and thinking you understand Indian strategic policy.
The concept is baffling to me. The US is a very poorly understood power mostly because people think they understand it. And they keep thinking that even though they get surprised and blindsided by US actions with some frequency. That would indicate that you don't understand us or you'd anticipate the move.
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Never to their actual profit so far as I can see. Vietnam could have been South Korea.
Vietnam's per capita GDP is about 2,000 dollars.
South Korea's is about 35,000 dollars
And if you know anything about Vietnam it is pretty much a wall to wall miserable shit show.
So... what was accomplished there?
its important to remember that Sun Tzu wasn't interested in the property of a kingdom... just keeping the ruling elite in power. Your government... who ever that is...
If the Vietcong had made peace with the US... we would have made sure they had control over their territory to the north so long as they offered people some basic rights... they would have had representation in the government... we would have helped them build up their economy... Sky's the limit.
Good things for everyone.
And what did they get instead? The US withdrawal from Vietnam was the worst thing that could happen to them... objectively.
And did the US suffer for it? Nope. We lost nothing we actually cared about. Our primary objective remember was to suppress the soviets to keep them from expanding. And we had no domino effect after Vietnam fell... so... either the domino theory was bullshit which is possible... or merely fighting the war and using up so many soviet resources was enough to shut down further soviet expansion.
Regardless, the US achieved its strategic goals and lost nothing it actually cared about. While the Vietnamese lost out big time on the chance to become a first world country. And the soviets gained nothing they wanted or needed in the process.
The US came out of Vietnam stronger. The Soviets came out of it weaker.
You're thinking of Vietnam like a war and not seeing it for what it really was... just a battle in the middle of the real war... The Cold War.
And Vietnam hurt the Soviets far more than it hurt us.
And we showed another group of hardasses that the US is made up of hardasses as well. Name another country that fought Vietnam that would actually go down into their holes? US soldiers would climb into those holes... often boobytrapped... with nothing but a pistol. Crawling around in the black.
The Chinese never followed the Vietnamese into their holes. We did. The Vietnamese still talk about it.
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Says another baseless insult from another butthurt AC?
OH HEAVENS... whatever will I DO!?... Did I hurt your wuddle feeeelings, kitten?
Try harder... you're too stupid to win with that kind of effort.
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We've not seen them use it. In 2008 they didn't and the Georgians were able to hurt them because of that.
You say they have it... okay... but can you show me where they actually use it?
We've been using it for over a generation. You're telling me I'm wrong because the Russians added it to their inventory in 2009 or something? Show me them actually using it. We haven't seen it.
And that's really besides the point. Its not about any one technology. its about the Russia's assumption that it can get away with this stuff because they're attacking far inferior militaries. Well... all we have to do is bleed them to make it unaffordable. And we'll do that. ;)
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And what was the US's objectives?... Really?
You people don't see that Vietnam was just a battle in the cold war. And we only went in on the theory that if Vietnam fell it would cause a domino effect.
Our real objective was to halt the spread of communism. Not because we really cared if Vietnam went communist but because we didn't want the region to go communist... and with it give the soviets an advantage that actually matters.
And win or lose Vietnam... the region didn't go communist. Why is that? Possibly domino theory was crap or possibly whatever ultimately happened to Vietnam, we hurt the soviets. As they say its not the destination... its the Journey. :) We bled them. We destroyed planes. We killed soldiers. We destroyed war material. And whatever you think it escaped no one's attention that we were absolutely f'ing ferocious in battle.
And what did the soviets get out of it? What was that? Jack? Shit? Fucking nothing? So... Understand. Vietnam was just a battle in the cold war. And it worked out rather nicely for us regardless.
Look at everything they ultimately claimed. they didn't effectively use anything.
The biggest losers though were the Vietnamese. They could have been a first world country. And instead they threw in with the communists and look at what it got them.
The best revenge... is living well. ;)
And who gets that last laugh every time. 'Merica. ;-)
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And what was the US's objectives?... Really?
To stop the spread of communism in SE Asia.
You people don't see that Vietnam was just a battle in the cold war.
I don't know who "you people" is, but yes, it was an ideological war.
And we only went in on the theory that if Vietnam fell it would cause a domino effect.
Yep.
Our real objective was to halt the spread of communism.
Yep.
And win or lose Vietnam... the region didn't go communist...we hurt the soviets.
You weren't worried about the Soviets, you fucking halfwit. It was communist China that was worrisome to the crapped in the pants leaders you had at the time. Be that as it may, in the end the communists won the day.
As they say its not the destination... its the Journey. :)
Be sure to smile when you tell that to the families of the 58,000 killed,153,303 wounded, and 1,627 MIA.
We bled them. We destroyed planes. We killed soldiers. We destroyed war material. And whatever you think it escaped no one's attention that we were absolutely f'ing ferocious in battle.
For what? The north WON. You are obviously living a little world that is oblivious to reality. A Vietnam war apologist? I thought you idiots had either seen the truth by now or had died off.
And what did the soviets get out of it? What was that? Jack? Shit? Fucking nothing?
You keep referencing "the Soviets". It wasn't a war against a country you fucktwit, it was a war against an ideology. CHINA was the nearest adversary, and they wisely chose NOT to intervene.
So... Understand. Vietnam was just a battle in the cold war. And it worked out rather nicely for us regardless.
What are you smoking? I want some.
Vietnam is now one of your trading partners. That would've happened A LOT sooner if you morons had never waged war against them.
They could have been a first world country. And instead they threw in with the communists and look at what it got them.
Another one of your disconnects with reality. The south didn't "throw in" with anyone. The south was CONQUERED.
The best revenge... is living well. ;)
And who gets that last laugh every time. 'Merica. ;-)
People like you are the reason the US has lost its moral authority. Oppressed citizens in other countries used to welcome American intervention...not any more.
In any event, If the US hadn't intervened in Vietnam, you would have exactly the same thing you've got now - *without* the loss of blood and treasure.
We've not seen them use it. In 2008 they didn't and the Georgians were able to hurt them because of that.
You say they have it... okay... but can you show me where they actually use it?
So you agree that the Russians have NV tech...are you now saying they're not going to use it? The little bus is leaving - don't miss your ride.
And that's really besides the point./p>
Yeah, that's why you've been crowing about "goggles" in multiple posts.
Its not about any one technology. its about the Russia's assumption that it can get away with this stuff because they're attacking far inferior militaries.
Which is a pretty good assumption. If you think ANY western power is going to put boots on the ground in Ukraine, you should have your psychiatrist adjust your meds.
And win or lose Vietnam... the region didn't go communist. Why is that?
I guess that would be because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The country sharing the longest border with Vietnam is Laos, and they went commie *before* the war in Vietnam.
Prior to the commies taking over, Laos was a *monarchy* that you dolts supported. Why do you fucks support oppressive totalitarian governments around the world?...because buying off one guy in a funny hat is a lot easier than using diplomacy to engage a government where citizens have a say. It is a policy that has backfired on you fucksticks *every* *fucking* *time*.
The only other country sharing a border with the Vietnamese is Cambodia. Do I also have to school you on what happened there?
... are you attempting to split hairs with me little one?
If the Russians don't deploy a technology or understand how to employ it on the battlefield... then remind me why I have to take what they might have in a warehouse somewhere seriously?
We've been experimenting with night vision since the 1930s and we first employed the early prototypes in WW2. We've subsequently used night vision increasingly in every war since that we've ever fought in.
We LOVE our night vision. There is no time we more prefer to fight than under a new moon with overcast skies. Its too easy.
As to boots... Depends on how many boots... and whether that matters.
Again... we're already talking about sending the Polish in to shore up the Ukrainian border. Are they western? They're very happy to shoot Russians in the face. And they've got better equipment and the stability to hold a line.
It remains baffling to me that people could think a country with an economy half the size of italy... which is Russia... is going to fare well against the US.
The Russians were at one time believed to be a super power. Today... they are not. Their credibility if they want to dance is non-existent. The Russians get really turgid on possibility that someone somewhere is afraid of them. Their foreign policy is a little more than a litany of intimidation. The US is not afraid. We've faced off against far far worse and did not flinch. The Russian Federation with their pretense and bravado is a fucking joke.
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All references to "you people" should be interpreted as referring to your mother. Just fyi. I find that "you people" quibble that cited any time the phrase is used to be tiresome. Don't be pedantic. You know exactly what I fucking mean. I defined it several times.
BUT if you can't suss out my identification of that term which is quite clear... then as a short hand it refers to your mother. :)
As to soviets versus chinese... prior to 1969 the soviets and chinese were very tight. The US perceived them as a unified political alliance pushing an equivalent ideology with an equivalent ambition.
Had Stalin been our buddy and not declared his intention to dominate the west and any other scrap of realestate upon the world in the name of communism... if he had not done that... and the chinese had instead been the communist aggressors... the cold war probably never would have happened. And the actual fear of exclusively chinese expansion was relatively minor when divorced from the soviets. It was the soviets we were worried about. The chinese lacked the industrial base to actually be a threat absent Soviet support. Note that the cold war didn't have any major conflicts after the split.
The vietnam war really got going in 1963... and by 1969... the split was dramatically undermining the capabilities and credibility of the great communist dream of global conquest.
As to the north winning... the north simply filled the vacuum created by our departure. Not much of a victory really.
As to the dead... The blood of my own family is in those numbers, little one. I do not disrespect the dead. It was the cold war. You say you understand but then you cite these numbers like they're remarkable in the context of the struggle. Those lives of our honored dead were not shed lightly. They did not die easily. They went down in fury and honor. And it is possible that those live thus shed discouraged further conflicts from the communists and saved more lives still. Without a time machine who can say. But we did what we thought was reasonable at the time to hold the line. And those young men... some of whom had blood flowing in their veins very similar to mine... they held the line.
There was no dishonor in their service.
And if you want to cite numbers... we probably killed about a million Vietcong. We had body counts in those days to evaluate the effectiveness of campaigns. It got pretty gory. Statistics... quotas. Slaughter organized into spread sheets.
The Soviets were supplying aircraft and at the very least pilot trainers. They were supplying many other things. Your suggestion that they weren't involved is in error.
As to vietnam being a trading partner... sure... but if they had not sided with the communists it would have come a generation ago... and they might have gotten assistance. Today... there's no reason for us to do that.
The communists... soviets and otherwise were not good to their acquisitions, allies, and conquests. The soviets famously demanded reparations from every country they conquered during WW2. This retarded their recovery setting back their development by a generation.
The US to the contrary pumped money into such nations with the result that the recovered much more quickly and the US ultimately made a much greater return than if it had punished them through trade... and course, because we were good to such powers they didn't end up hating us. Which is the case of pretty much anyone that had to deal with the soviets being in charge. No one likes them.
To this day, Russia has a hard time making friends because people don't forgive them for what they did during the soviet era.
The US does... we've tried repeatedly to bury the hatchet. The Russians can't do it. They can't let it go. That's a mistake.
As to moral authority... who has claimed it then, cupcake? You can't even begin to comprehend what we deal with and you presume to write the moral codes we're supposed to follow? You don't even understand why we do the things we do much less are you able to judge the philosophies and moral laws by which we must obey.
I've little patience for being judged by people that don't even understand what they're talking about.
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I'm not trying to be cheeky but I don't understand why we still use the word 'atomic'. I thought we decided 'nuclear' was a better choice because all bombs can be said to be 'atomic' in nature.
You're asking the wrong idiot. Karmashock pronounces it "new cue lar".
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There is something I've noticed with internationals and it is that they have ZERO conception for geopolitical strategy... I've seen no indication that you're taught any of this in school or university.
From all outward appearances that strategy was to go in half-arse, with no real plan, go blow shit up and hope everyone sings kumbayah by the campfire at the end.
If that's your version of "geopolitical strategy" then you might want to get your education elsewhere.
We're all aware of what the US is trying to achieve, and a lot of it I agree with, it just seems they are really, really inept at execution.
Never to their actual profit so far as I can see. Vietnam could have been South Korea.
You're showing your ignorance now. There's a shit-ton of cultural reasons why that wouldn't be the case, and to be unaware of that actually sounds a little racist.
Regardless, the US achieved its strategic goals and lost nothing it actually cared about.
Oh dear, The US lost 50000 of it's people for no reason and retreated with it's tail between it's legs in what is the biggest embarrassment in military history. Until Iraq.
I have friends in the military, they still laugh at the US military today because of it. Great hardware, piss poor execution. And it that wasn't bad enough, they went and repeated the same mistake in the Middle East.
Don't take this as American bashing, the world needs a strong America, and I'll happily take an American as an ally over most others, I just think there's some really poor decisions being made along the way. And because those decisions affect the rest of us, they need to lift their game.
Really, there's a legitimate argument here that Iran's nuclear program hasn't been a good idea in the long run, even when you consider the political power that comes with being nuclear armed. But you're just so over the top and blinded to the reality of the situation that I had to say something. Ease up on the kool-aid or you might get fooled into thinking the next pointless war is going to pay itself off in 3 months.
You've fought the good fight. But unfortunately, Karmashock is a loser with no life who spends all day pumping the internet full of long winded falsehoods. The only way to defeat him is to quit your job and go full time. But even then you will have a tough time keeping up with the manic pace of his illogical posts.
I nominate you for a Saint Jude medal.
Nope.
You're just admitting that you have no idea what the US administration was thinking at the time.
You'd have done better if you had cited domino theory or talked about the spread of global communism.
But what you did there was just validate what I said above. You don't understand there is a strategy. You're so fixated on the details that you don't see the wider picture.
First... shut up... just for the sake of argument.
Second, actually back out from the situation and see it in the context of the proceeding 30 years... yes that exceeds the duration of the cold war to that point but understanding why the US got into the cold war is related to the build up to WW2.
Third, grasp that the US whatever you might think of the US... the US saw itself at that point in time as "arsenal of freedom"... as the guardian and champion of the west.
Fourth, every war that isn't just reacting to an attack like Afghanistan happens according to a grander strategy. And even in those cases we come up with strategies very quickly. The whole concept of fighting terrorism by removing all their safe harbors in the world was a quick improvised strategy that the US came up with literally within weeks of being hit in 9/11.
And that encourages the US to put pressure on any state sponsors to either stop sponsoring terrorism or do something so they can't or otherwise stop doing it.
Vietnam specifically was encouraged by domino theory with the worry being that if vietnam fell the whole region would fall.
Once you understand that the US thinks in terms of these strategies, our actions become more comprehensible.
You might not agree with it still and it could well be stupid. BUT you at least understand what the US was thinking at the time. Very few commentators on US foreign policy especially as regards our wars are aware of how we actually think. And as such their analysis is not actually worth anything.
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Suggesting I'm racist for saying Vietnam could have been a first world country with economic assistance and trade opportunities instead of being mismanaged by communist fucktards, starved of trade, and given no opportunities to improve itself is the statement of an idiot.
We're done... you're so stupid you're not even amusing.
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That's the problem. You could never be certain. The rhetoric from both North Korea and Iran make them both obviously suspects; therefore launching all out attacks on either would be unjustifiable. The forensic evidence might stretch to identifying the mix of isotopes in the bomb, but that wouldn't PROVE who did it. And certainty that ISIS won't get a nuke is dangerous.
Another twit who's history education is so poor he doesn't even know what the Cold War was... so many fucking peasants. What is going on? Did you people really finish planting all your potatoes? Nothing to do?
Stop bothering your superiors. Go fuck a goat or whatever it is you're doing when you're not saying stupid things.
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You don't understand there is a strategy.
Quite clearly the US administration doesn't either.
You're so fixated on the details that you don't see the wider picture.
I see that the terrorists are winning. Or is that all part of the masterplan when Iraq was invaded 12 years and a trillion dollars ago?
First... shut up... just for the sake of argument.
That's a good strategy. Let me know how that works out,
Second, actually back out from the situation and see it in the context of the proceeding 30 years... yes that exceeds the duration of the cold war to that point but understanding why the US got into the cold war is related to the build up to WW2.
I have, and it's still the most massive, poorly thought-out blunder in US military history, even bigger than Vietnam.
Third, grasp that the US whatever you might think of the US... the US saw itself at that point in time as "arsenal of freedom"... as the guardian and champion of the west.
No it didn't. The administration previous to Idiot & co dealt with the exact same problem yet had a whole lot more success.
Fourth, every war that isn't just reacting to an attack like Afghanistan happens according to a grander strategy.
And some of those are bad strategies
And even in those cases we come up with strategies very quickly. The whole concept of fighting terrorism by removing all their safe harbors in the world was a quick improvised strategy that the US came up with literally within weeks of being hit in 9/11.
Iraq was never a safe harbour for terrorists. Saddam had a reputation of executing extremists, and was recognised as a " a source for moderation in the region" - US Secretary of State James Kelly.
The idea of dismantling Saddam with no end-game was the worst excuse for a strategy I have ever heard of.
Even Republicans agree with this now.
And that encourages the US to put pressure on any state sponsors to either stop sponsoring terrorism or do something so they can't or otherwise stop doing it.
So they did something that made it a lot worse? That is your idea of strategy so awesome the rest of the world can't possibly understand it?
Vietnam specifically was encouraged by domino theory with the worry being that if vietnam fell the whole region would fall.
Once you understand that the US thinks in terms of these strategies, our actions become more comprehensible.
Yes we all know what they thought back in the 60's, but a lot of us learnt from that mistake. Well most of us except a few idiots running the show in 2001. They did the impossible and created an even bigger fuck-up than Vietnam
You might not agree with it still and it could well be stupid. BUT you at least understand what the US was thinking at the time. Very few commentators on US foreign policy especially as regards our wars are aware of how we actually think. And as such their analysis is not actually worth anything.
Which is why you continue to embarass yourselves with such ridiculous excuses for 'strategy'. Pro tip: learn from your mistakes, and you might win once in a while.
Suggesting I'm racist for saying Vietnam could have been a first world country...
No you implied that Vietnam and Korea are the same, simply because they were both involved in conflict with the US. Now you're trying to wiggle out it with some personal attack.
Typical....
No... that's your misunderstanding. I was saying they were going to be giving similar opportunities and those opportunites could have been used to obtain similar rewards.
You people are so addicted to identity politics that you're not able to have a discussion without them.
All your rivals are racists and bigots... and if you can't show that they are... you just keep saying it and hope that people are too lazy to see you're just making it up. :D
It doesn't work on the internet, chump. Only in the media. And even there the effectiveness is wearing off fast.
You're going to have to try harder.
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Vietnam might have been a blunder but it was done according to a world view that you don't understand. And because you don't understand it you can't judge the thought process of the US at the time.
Your comment on point three didn't actually rebut point three at all. Just fyi.
As to your response to point four, whether or not it is a poor strategy it is still a strategy that the war has to be seen within that context.
What you keep trying to do is talk about Vietnam as it if isn't part of the cold war and as if the US wasn't thinking in terms of domino theory. This renders your judgements of it meaningless.
As to iraq never being a safe harbor, I didn't suggest it was. That was Afghanistan. Iraq was part of nuclear containment doctrine.
Different strategies. I've explained this to you before... I must have... it is frustrating that you keep taking me out of context and misrepresenting my position. Do you do this because you're genuinely having a hard time understanding or are you just being a lying asshole? I genuinely can't tell the difference anymore.
As to my idea of strategy being so anything that you can't understand it... no... you could understand it... if you were aware of it and tried to understand it. But you're so busy demagoguing the US and strawmanning me that you don't understand anything.
Your entire position is little more than a specious character assassination.
As to an even bigger F' up than Vietnam... care to defend that statement? I mean without all your assorted bullshit?
You're so eager to personally and morally judge people that you fail to actually make a rational argument. You're going to have to stop stroking your hate boner for a second and just be rational. Otherwise its going to be too easy for me to just label you a raging idiot and move on.
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No... that's your misunderstanding. I was saying they were going to be giving similar opportunities and those opportunites could have been used to obtain similar rewards.
That's because you clearly have little understanding of the huge differences between Korea and Vietnam. If you did you wouldn't make such preposterous claims.
personally and morally judge people that you fail to actually make a rational argument. You're going to have to stop stroking your hate boner for a second and just be rational. Otherwise its going to be too easy for me to just label you a raging idiot and move on.
Pro tip: When you learn to discuss the points at hand instead of personal attacks then you can play with the big kids,
Really... tell me the profound difference between pre Korean War Korea and pre vietnam war Vietnam.
Educate me. I'm listening. If all you've got is more vague allusions to secret knowledge that you refuse to back up then I'm going to generally call bullshit on the whole thing. Your move.
Word of warning... any difference you cite is going to be taken as a challenge for me to find another country in the region that has the same cultural beliefs etc that is economically successful thus disassociating your citation with economic failure.
Maybe I'm wrong and you've got a good argument. I'll keep an open mind. But I don't see how you can sustain this argument.
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Are you talking to yourself? Because I was on topic throughout.
You're just another of these lackwit would be sages that memorizes some very trite arguments someone fed to you and then reguritate them the situation comes up as if any of it is your own thinking.
I LOVE frustrating people like you because I don't work that way. I come up with my own arguments and my own thinking so twits like you with chicken mcnugget responses don't have anything contextually relevant to say.
Watching you flounder as you try to push me into one of your cookie cutter scenarios that I need to argue for your counter arguments to work is hilarious.
It really is one of the more rewarding things about thinking for yourself... the absolute bafflement of zombies like you people. It's delicious. I'm positively turgid with satisfaction.
*smacks lips*
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So you're a raging idiot that can be ignored... thanks.
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What a pathetic little pimpstick you are. Anyone who tries to justify the unmitigated disasters of the Vietnam/Iraq wars is totally divorced from reality. The sad thing is, you fucking "murica" types still have influence in US politics. No matter, it won't be long before you're all dead.
Cheers!
Maybe I'm wrong and you've got a good argument. I'll keep an open mind. But I don't see how you can sustain this argument.
What that different countries have different cultures with different ideologies that result in different socio-economic conditions?
Sorry it's not my job to give you an entire high school social studies education in one post.
I LOVE frustrating people like you
I'm not frustrated, I come here to discuss concepts and be challenged. When the other party switches from debating the topic to attacking me personally then I know for sure their argument was weak.
You spend a lot of energy attacking me, and none on discussing the topic. Are you really that unsure of your position?
I'm not frustrated, I come here to discuss concepts and be challenged
Unfortunately, you've run into someone who is unable to engage in rational debate. Karmashock is unable to make a salient argument without injecting childish insults replete with homoerotic imagery.
Best to just ignore him.
... and another non-falsifiable argument. Congrats.
It is impossible for you to be wrong.
It is also impossible for you to be right... because you didn't actually make an argument.
You're like one of those idiots that calls tech support because he can't find the fucking "on" button.
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I did no such thing.
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Insult, insult, insult. Is your argument really that weak?
Pointing out non-falsifiable arguments and citing them as such is an insult... if you're stupid.
As previously established... you are quite stupid... so I can understand where you got confused there.
Shouldn't you be chewing on jigsaw puzzle pieces and drooling while you stare at a wall or something?
Have a pudding cup on me and fuck off.
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Insult, insult, insult. Is your argument really that weak?
Yes, it is. You'll find that there's a direct relationship between the weakness of a given Karmashock argument, and the frequency of childish insults in his replies.
It's unfortunate that he's sucked another reasonable, rational, polite slashdotter into his black hole of denial. His hope is that because people like you have actual lives and can't afford to spend ALL DAY POSTING ON /. like he does, he can simply outlast someone by continually repeating the same invalid arguments loaded with his childish insults.
All you have to do is review a few days of his posting history, and you will see a very sorry and pathetic picture of an individual that has absolutely no life outside of this site - and has some very serious psychological issues to boot.
Please, take my word for it on this. DO NOT actually review this guy's posting history unless you are prepared to expose yourself to the utter darkness of the mind of a soulless, narcissistic, sociopath. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
Cheers!
Cheers, I thought as much but felt the need to give him a chance. We've all been young and stupid once in our lives. He's clearly living that phase right now.