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Common Medications Sway Moral Judgment

sciencehabit sends news that two commonly-prescribed drugs have been shown to influence how the human brain makes moral decisions. Citalopram is an SSRI used to treat depression, and levodopa is often used to combat Parkinson's disease. A new study (abstract) asked subjects to set a monetary value on receiving painful electric shocks — for themselves and for others (e.g. "Would you rather endure seven shocks to earn $10 or 10 shocks to earn $15?"). The study found that subjects on citalopram (which affects serotonin levels) were willing to give up more money to reduce shocks, both for themselves and others. Those on levodopa (which affects dopamine levels) made people just as willing to shock others as they were to shock themselves, when those on a placebo tended to be more reluctant to shock others. [Neuroscientist Molly] Crockett says those effects could suggests multiple underlying mechanisms. For example, excess dopamine might make our brain's reward system more responsive to the prospect of avoiding personal harm. Or it could tamp down our sense of uncertainty about what another person is experiencing, making us less hesitant to dole out pain. Serotonin, meanwhile, appeared to have a more general effect on aversion to harm, not just a heightened concern for another person. Such knowledge could eventually develop drugs that address disorders of social behavior, she says.

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  1. Psychoactive drugs may affect your thinking? by Lumpio- · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfathomable! Stop the press!

    1. Re:Psychoactive drugs may affect your thinking? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      'Common sense' and 'studies' are not interchangeable.

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  2. No surprise by davidwr · · Score: 2

    I bet if you did a study on how sleep, hunger, low-level chronic pain, being annoyed (e.g. arriving late at work after being stuck in traffic), or just about anything else affected moral thinking, I bet you would find most things that affect emotions also affect moral decision-making. I know from a lifetime of empirical study on myself that sleep, hunger, etc. do affect my emotions and general decision-making. I have not studied my moral decision-making in light of these factors enough to draw a firm conclusion. Since the sample size (n=1) is small and there was no control group, I hesitate to extrapolate even the results that I do have to the general population. More study is required.

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  3. Disorders of social behavior by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I want to be on the committee that decides what sort of behavior justifies drug intervention.

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    1. Re:Disorders of social behavior by digsbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I were in a public school today and behaved as I did in the 80s and early 90s, I'm certain I'd be prescribed drugs for ADHD and sent to mandatory counseling for emotional problems. Because I acted like a boy, and drew pictures of horrible things in and out of art class. So really, this is already happening. If you want to be on the committee, get into school counseling, guidance, social work, and so on.

    2. Re:Disorders of social behavior by ArylAkamov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was actually put into a "special" class for exactly what you are describing. I was a boy, I drew guns and played video games. Our school counselor found this unacceptable and literally told my parents that she was afraid I would "Be the next columbine kid".

      I was put into this "special" class without knowledge or consent from my parents, I asked them about this a few weeks ago and they had no idea what I was talking about. The other children in there with me ranged from slightly slow in the head to full on mentally deficient.

      Each day we were brought in to an extremely colorful room with rainbows and shit everywhere and were given a plush cube with different colors and expressions on the cube, we had to pick out the expression that best fit our mood and tell everyone why we were feeling that way. We were not allowed to say our feeling, we had to say the color that appeared on the cube.

      The counselor was constantly taking notes about everything we said or did. She was a kind of creepy, extreme political left type. Constantly told my parents that I needed to be put on meds because of the evil guns that I drew, often saying that she was afraid I would shoot up the school or make a bomb or some such nonsense. My parents actually showed me letters they saved from her, it's quite insulting to read now that I'm old enough to understand them.

      Thankfully my parents were smarter than this and more or less told her to piss off. (Apparently my dad asked her if she would rather I draw tits and ass).

        I am 22 now, this was happening from first grade up to about 4th grade, so you do the math here.

      Really makes me wonder how often this happens and how many kids have been needlessly put on these drugs being peddled by the schools.

  4. Interesting but the headline misses the mark by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did anyone seriously doubt that psychoactive drugs can and do affect just about all decision making processes ?

  5. Blunting by MagickalMyst · · Score: 2

    This isn't new.

    Side effects of SSRI based anti-depressants - in addition to subduing the creative thought process and destroying the sex drive - include what has been termed emotional blunting.

    In effect, blunting erodes one's ability to feel emotional response or empathy - such as being able to feel the 'warm fuzzies' in a relationship. This is a very dangerous road that can lead to sociopathy.

    The stated side effects of SSRI based anti-depressants also include violent and/or suicidal behavior.

    It is also interesting to note that the majority of mass shooters in the last 25 years have been under the influence of - or withdrawing from - SSRI based anti-depressents. John DeCamp, lawyer for the Columbine shooters, and author of The Franklin Cover-up, attempted to use the side effects of SSRI's as a defense. Details here.

    Simply put, these drugs are terrible and should never have been allowed to be marketed.

    Instead of reaching for pills, people with depression should instead get some regular exercise, a good diet and a positive attitude.

    Pills are not the answer. Especially these pills.

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    1. Re: Blunting by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're confusing cause and effect. The SSRIs didn't cause people to become crazy killers, they were taking these drugs because they already had problems. The emotional blunting helps take the edge off of the suicidal thoughts that come with major depression, as the study notes that participants were more adverse to harming to harming themselves or others. The side effects are better than killing yourself.

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  6. Not so much the fact that MDMA actually works... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2

    , but that the patent protection is long since expired.

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  7. Citalopram by myrdos2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm seeing a lot of negative postings about unnecessary drugs and implying doctor's don't know what they're doing. I went through an episode about a year ago where if I tried to sleep my face would start burning. If I got up, it would fade away. I suffered on roughly one hour's sleep per night for a year before I went to see a doctor. The solution was to take one pill per day, and in a few weeks I was sleeping full nights again. It took years to recover though, because that level of extended sleep deprivation is very damaging. Even now, I'm still not quite as sharp as I was before.

    When I look back I can see how stupid I was. I suffered that entire year, and had years of recovery, for nothing. Why? Because people who don't have a hot clue about psychology said that the doctors don't know what they're doing, the medicine is as bad as the disease, those pills are over-prescribed, etc. etc. But guess what? If your meds turn out to have bad side effects you can stop taking them, or just ask for different ones. Such a simple thing. And yet so many people who could benefit from them are turned away by fear, uncertainty and doubt.

    1. Re:Citalopram by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I went through an episode about a year ago where if I tried to sleep my face would start burning. If I got up, it would fade away. I suffered on roughly one hour's sleep per night for a year before I went to see a doctor. The solution was to take one pill per day, and in a few weeks I was sleeping full nights again. It took years to recover though, because that level of extended sleep deprivation is very damaging. Even now, I'm still not quite as sharp as I was before.
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      I suffered that entire year, and had years of recovery

      Your story is not internally consistent. If this problem started a year ago and you suffered from it for a year, how is it that you have since experienced years of recovery? I would say check your meds, but...

  8. Common my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When someone uses the phrase "common drugs" it is assumed that they are OTC drugs that are commonly found in people's homes. There is nothing "common" about either of the drugs in the summary unless you are being treated for depression or Parkinson's disease! Way to go with the tabloid headline writing and the death of editorial ethics in its entirety on /.

  9. Boy do they... by koan · · Score: 4, Informative
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