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Glitch Halts New Horizons Operations As It Nears Pluto

An anonymous reader writes: NASA says their New Horizons probe suffered a temporary communication breakdown on Saturday, 10 days before it's supposed to fly past Pluto. The mission team is working to restore normal communications. "Full recovery is expected to take from one to several days," NASA wrote in a status report on Saturday. "New Horizons will be temporarily unable to collect science data during that time."

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  1. Oh, PLEASE no... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has been going so well for such a long time. It will be absolutely heartbreaking if the probe is incapacitated just during the flyby window.

    1. Re:Oh, PLEASE no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people of the outer planets and dwarf planets are getting tired of us always spying on them and they have started incapacitating our spy devices. Similar to that yokel in the news the other day for shooting down a quadcopter with a shotgun, "cuz it was a CIA spy device".

    2. Re:Oh, PLEASE no... by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      +1
      Pretty please, new horizons/NASA?

    3. Re:Oh, PLEASE no... by arielCo · · Score: 4, Informative

      From T(rather brief)FA:

      The “encounter program” includes software to prohibit the very type of automated safe mode that New Horizons executed Saturday afternoon.

      “Encounter mode short-circuits the on board intelligent autopilot so that if something goes wrong, instead of calling home for help, which is what most spacecraft do and what New Horizons does during cruise flight, it will just stay on the timeline. It will try to fix the problem, but it will rejoin the timeline because if it ‘went fetal,’ as we say, if it just called home for help, it could miss the flyby,” New Horizons lead scientist Alan Stern told Discovery News before Saturday’s problem.

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    4. Re:Oh, PLEASE no... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      But, it also says, "The 'encounter program' includes software to prohibit the very type of automated safe mode that New Horizons executed Saturday afternoon."

      That implies it did go into a waiting "safe mode" instead of an auto-science mode, for unknown reasons.

    5. Re:Oh, PLEASE no... by arielCo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article is too scant. Here's a better one.

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    6. Re:Oh, PLEASE no... by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Let's posit for a moment that New Horizons (launched January 2006) did just overtake MH370 (disappeared March 2014) and the lost plane is actually on an escape trajectory out of the solar system.

      Then losing connection with the probe isn't a big deal. We'll just whip up another one add in the propulsion technology on MH370 and we'll have another probe at Pluto in about a year and a half.

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    7. Re: Oh, PLEASE no... by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      Yeah.,. But I'm amazed these probes fly through space for years and don't hit even one grain of sand at 75,000kph......that would end them in an instant.

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  2. Time to blur out pics of ET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need time to blur out pics of ET. :-D

    1. Re:Time to blur out pics of ET by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Giorgio, is that you?

  3. Memory problem perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The “encounter program” includes software to prohibit the very type of automated safe mode that New Horizons executed Saturday afternoon.

    “Encounter mode short-circuits the on board intelligent autopilot so that if something goes wrong, instead of calling home for help, which is what most spacecraft do and what New Horizons does during cruise flight, it will just stay on the timeline. It will try to fix the problem, but it will rejoin the timeline because if it ‘went fetal,’ as we say, if it just called home for help, it could miss the flyby,” New Horizons lead scientist Alan Stern told Discovery News before Saturday’s problem.

    Can anyone translate the bolded part into caveman-lish for me?

    1. Re:Memory problem perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The “encounter program” includes software to prohibit the very type of automated safe mode that New Horizons executed Saturday afternoon.

      “Encounter mode short-circuits the on board intelligent autopilot so that if something goes wrong, instead of calling home for help, which is what most spacecraft do and what New Horizons does during cruise flight, it will just stay on the timeline. It will try to fix the problem, but it will rejoin the timeline because if it ‘went fetal,’ as we say, if it just called home for help, it could miss the flyby,” New Horizons lead scientist Alan Stern told Discovery News before Saturday’s problem.

      Can anyone translate the bolded part into caveman-lish for me?

      Sure. "Saw space people. Shit! Kill the feed!"

    2. Re:Memory problem perhaps? by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since this is slashdot, how about pseudocode?

      function handle_fault_on_approach()
      {
          if (NOTHING_PARTICULARLY_SPECIAL_GOING_ON)
          {
              tell_nasa about_error();
              go_into_safe_mode();
              wait_for_instructions_from_nasa();
          }
          else if (FLYING_BY_PLUTO_RIGHT_NOW)
          {
                tell_nasa about_error();
                wait_to_hear_back_from_nasa = FALSE;
                handle_error_in_a_reasonable_manner_on_your_own();
                get_back_to_gathering_before_you_miss_the_flyby_goddammit();
          }
          else if (FLYING_BY_EARTH)
          {
              dammit_steve();
          }
      }

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    3. Re:Memory problem perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't have any knowledge specific to this project, but I'll give you my interpretation:

      The engineers programmed the on-board software to know approximately what the spacecraft should be doing at certain times. New Horizons uses on-board fuel to spin up so that it can more reliably transmit information back to Earth. However, it cannot take pictures while spinning, so it'll have to spin-down. In an "everything's fine" scenario, there will be set times for it to spin up, transmit its data, spin down, capture more data, etc. That's the default timeline.

      In previous spacecraft, if something has gone wrong, then the default response was to "stop and wait for further instructions". The idea was that doing "something" could be worse than doing "nothing" and waiting for a human to figure out the best course of action. In other words, it "went fetal".

      Pluto is a tad far away, and signals take about 4.5 hours each way. So, a minimum of 9 hours would be required for a response to a problem, not including engineer problem solving and implementation time. That's long enough that the spacecraft may miss the window of ideal picture taking time while waiting for a response, assuming one ever arrives. What it'll likely do in this case is carry on with the mission, and only after it has acquired the flyby data will it call back home and—in Windows parlance—check for updates.

    4. Re:Memory problem perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait_for_instructions_from_nasa();

      Now you're just asking to be stuck here as you get closer and closer to plut

  4. The encounter sequence will disable safe mode by cruff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since they only have one shot at the flyby, the New Horizons web site states that the encounter sequence they are uploading will disable the safe mode and instruct the probe to return to the timeline sequence.

    1. Re:The encounter sequence will disable safe mode by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Since they only have one shot at the flyby, the New Horizons web site states that the encounter sequence they are uploading will disable the safe mode and instruct the probe to return to the timeline sequence.

      It's a hail mary attempt, it switched for some reason and they will be putting in back into that mode and no out. subject: "Can I just say On Behalf Of Humanity", seems the most relevant word at this time.

  5. Can I Just Say on Behalf of Humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SHIT!!

  6. From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    Link

    Steve5304: Rumors that Contact with new horizons has been lost again or was never regained. Unconfirmed

    Alan Stern: Such rumors are untrue. The bird is communicating nominally.

    Alan Stern is the director of the New Horizons mission. So no worries. :) You can see that two way communication is in progress here at the Canberra dish.

    This was a really minor glitch and will have no impact on the mission as a whole. There weren't even any significant observations planned for today.

    (As a side note, the closer we get to Pluto and the more we see of it (dark band at the bottom is around the equator), the more it's starting to remind me of an airless Titan :) )

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    1. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (As a side note, the closer we get to Pluto and the more we see of it

      I'm assuming that's Charon in the lower left. It's funny but it looks like a Susan B. Anthony dollar coin.

    2. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh and for the record: Stern calls Pluto a planet, and makes some very good arguments.

      And I'll add more that he doesn't make (though his are best!): it's ridiculous to call something a "dwarf X" and then say that that doesn't count as an "X". In any other field of science, if you had an "adjective-noun", it would also be classified as a "noun". If you have a dwarf shrew, it's also a shrew. If you have a dwarf fern, it's also a fern. Heck, even in the same field, astronomy, the same rule applies - a dwarf star is also a star.

      Under the IAU definition, extrasolar planets aren't planets either. They don't even have a name - they're not anything at all. Not like we'd be able to classify them under the definition without dispatching a spacecraft all the way to each different star system even if they weren't excluded. The IAU definition also claims that they will create a system to establish more dwarf planets - something that clearly has not been done. There hasn't been a new dwarf planet accepted in nearly a decade, despite the fact that we know the sizes of many of them better than already-accepted candidates were known at the time. Quaoar is much bigger than Ceres, and we know it's size down to a mere 5 kilometers margin of error, yet it's not a dwarf planet. The IAU not only made up their ridiculous definition, but they're not even upholding it.

      As with pretty much every categorization of object in pretty much every field of science, you need heirarchies and multiple groupings to describe the world. Among planets, we already know of significant diversity, and should only expect it to grow - hence we have terrestrial planets, gas giants, ice giants, hot jupiters, super earths, etc, and yes, dwarf planets - which should be just another category among the significant diversity already out there. Everyone knows a planet when they see it - you don't have to scan its orbit to see if it's "cleared" it, with some still-not-yet-agreed-upon definition of "cleared". If it's large enough to relax into a hydrostatic equilibrium, that's both meaningful, intuitive, and what people expect when they hear the word "planet". By any reasonable definition, our solar system has at least dozens, potentially hundreds of planets. And that should be seen as something to celebrate, not to be appalled about.

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      Dear Lord: One of your creatures may be hurt tonight. Please let it be the other creature.
    3. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And I'll add more that he doesn't make (though his are best!): it's ridiculous to call something a "dwarf X" and then say that that doesn't count as an "X".

      Is a toy car actually a car? Is a stuffed animal actually an animal?

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    4. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you changed it from dwarf. We have dwarf cars - one model is called a "smart car", another is called a "mini-cooper" - and yes, they are cars. Often a stuffed animal is a dead animal - see taxidermy.

    5. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Rei · · Score: 2

      And more than that, a "toy car" is a toy. Car is describing the type of toy.

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      Dear Lord: One of your creatures may be hurt tonight. Please let it be the other creature.
    6. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dwarf or not, it's a binary planet and Charon is not a moon. The center of mass between Pluto and Charon does not fall within the body of either.

    7. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      That's your opinion. There's no formally adopted definition to that effect.

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    8. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by darenw · · Score: 1

      Then my favorite example: fool's gold. Is this a type of gold?

    9. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh and for the record: Stern calls Pluto a planet

      Everyone calls Pluto a planet, aside from a few rampant Pluto haters, terrorists and creepy molester types.
      I have, however, officially determined that Earth is actually NOT a planet. Looks like some pathetic Earthlings have planet envy.

    10. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not my opinion, it's the opinion of leading astrologists, but it is a debated definition. Wiki has some interesting notes on this subject https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Current usages of the terms are arbitrary.

    11. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Destructo-Bot · · Score: 1

      Then my favorite example: fool's gold. Is this a type of gold?

      Fool's Gold is the layman term/nickname for Iron Pyrite... and it is indeed a type of iron. Not the best comparison :)

    12. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that typo is going to get you eaten alive....

    13. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The center of mass between Jupiter and the Sun does not fall within the body of either.

      The Sun is a dwarf star! Jupiter is a part of a binary system! Alert the media!

    14. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heRn5n6z-Ck

    15. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Pluto prefers to be called a little planet.

    16. Re: From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are seven planets:
      Mercury
      Venus
      Mars
      Jupiter
      Saturn
      The Sun
      The Moon.
      Why change now?

    17. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Rei · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Sun-Jupiter system should just barely count as a binary object. But not a binary star because Jupiter isn't a star.

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      Dear Lord: One of your creatures may be hurt tonight. Please let it be the other creature.
    18. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Burz · · Score: 1

      Are you saying Pluto is a model of something?

      Is a pygmy owl still an owl?

    19. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      The point is it really is gold... if you are a fool. It is named this because it looks like gold, but only a fool would think that. Many other things have names that are references to what they look like: Lamb's Foot ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ) isn't a lamb or a foot, but it is named because it resembles one, Queen Anne's Lace ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ) is neither a Queen, nor an Anne, nor any manner of lace, etc.

      Toy car is really a *car toy*- a type of toy shaped like a car. A "dwarf planet" isn't a type of "planet" shaped like a "dwarf". Don't swap the adjective and noun just because the common nomenclature does.

      The argument about "dwarf planet" is a good one. The entire thing is silly if you look at how it got "reclassified", and why do we take that one group's one vote one time for classification? Pluto is trivially a planet.

    20. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      ...so by that logic, Jupiter is a dwarf sun, which makes it neither a planet, nor a sun. I guess it just defies classification...

    21. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything that can be seen in retrograde motion during some part of their orbit is a planet [in the Greek sense].

    22. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then my favorite example: fool's gold. Is this a type of gold?

      Fool's Gold is the layman term/nickname for Iron Pyrite... and it is indeed a type of iron. Not the best comparison :)

      So... Not a type of gold then. How confusing! And Douglas Fir? Is that or is it not a Fir tree?

    23. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Rei · · Score: 1

      1) "Sun" isn't a classification, it's just a name.
      2) If you meant "dwarf star", Jupiter isn't a star.
      3) I assume you meant "binary star", not dwarf. Again, see #2.

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    24. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice post, too bad about the stupid fucking smilie faces you had to pollute it with.

      Don't do that; it looks like a retard who also has Tourette's wrote it.

      Thank you.

    25. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Language can be playful and informative. Gee, I wonder how that happened?

      When an adjective contradicts it's noun you are allowed to discern meaning from that. That is the very purpose of the term "fool's gold".

      There is also a joke line that uses this effect: Jumbo shrimp, Military intelligence, Government worker, Postal service, etc.

      The difference here is that "dwarf planet" does not contain an internal contradiction. You get the same mileage and explanatory power out of the term "small planet".

    26. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'll add more that he doesn't make (though his are best!): it's ridiculous to call something a "dwarf X" and then say that that doesn't count as an "X".

      Is a toy car actually a car? Is a stuffed animal actually an animal?

      That's idiotic. Of course a toy car is a car. It is first and foremost a toy, and secondarily the toy represents and is of the car variety.

      A "stuffed animal" is more properly called a stuffed toy animal. We simply abbreviate.

      In both cases no one is going to mistake the relationship between the toy and the object represented for the child by the toy. Also these aren't definitions that a scientific body voted on, and they don't have precise multi-part explanations. Is your grasp of English really so tenuous that you don't understand the difference here?

    27. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then my favorite example: fool's gold. Is this a type of gold?

      Oh yes, and which scientific body voted for the definition? Not the same at all. Lay people will come up with all sorts of nicknames and abbreviated names. That doesn't mean a scientific body should be unscientific in it's definition. Defining planet was a missed opportunity. I don't care if Pluto's in or out anywhere near as much as I care that the definition is logical.

    28. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so by that logic, Jupiter is a dwarf sun, which makes it neither a planet, nor a sun. I guess it just defies classification...

      There is a range of which like the color spectrum are ranges that have names and the lines dividing these ranges can be a bit blurry.

      you have on the big to small scale:

      HyperGiant Star
      Giant Star
      Star
      Red Dwarf
      Brown Dwarf
      Gas Giant
      Ice Giant
      Super Earth
      Earth like terrestrial planet (Hint, you are standing on one of these)
      Dwarf planet / Moon (Depending on it's orbit)
      Asteroid/Comet / Mini moon (Depending on it's orbit)
      Debris

      This classification covers most of the objects you will find and can be easily adopted for any new objects that we come across. No need to argue about it unless your motivation is creating clickbait for joe six pack to puzzle over.

    29. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by khallow · · Score: 1

      Then my favorite example: fool's gold.

      Ah, yes, the definitive scientific term for pyrite/iron sulfide. /sarc

      It's interesting how unscientific the arguments are for claiming a dwarf planet is not a planet.

    30. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pluto prefers to be called a little planet.

      I am disappointed in the sci fi sense that when more KBO "Dwarf Planets" were discovered we did not follow the naming convention suggested in Doctor Who in the 1970s episode The SunMakers, where The Doctor and Leela and K-9 mk 1 land on a terraformed Pluto and K-9 summarizes that Pluto was once thought to be the outermost planet of the solar system before the discovery of "Cassius" I think that would have been a better name than Quaorar.

    31. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      doh! Pseudo-science, ftw!

    32. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by KGIII · · Score: 1

      In fact, anyone who does not call Pluto a planet is a pedophile.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    33. Re:From Unmannedspaceflight.com by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Just because ignorant people use a word to mean something different, does not change the meaning of the word.

      On the other hand, if you want to talk to someone you have to talk in their language. That does not mean you have to adopt their language for all communications, though.

  7. rumored root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Java update.

  8. Re: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to see this probe make good as much as any, but they posted a very clear letter stating they are having problems. It's very sad that they're missing out on so much stuff. Each lost second is priceless here.

    Must be terrible for the team.

    http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/News-Article.php?page=20150704

    Sad july 4th th

  9. Must've found something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they found something they shouldn't?

  10. I speak for all slashdotters when I say... by BringMyShuttle · · Score: 2

    Nooooooooooooo! Nooooooooooooo! Nooooooooooooo! For the love of Hawing, Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

    1. Re:I speak for all slashdotters when I say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's "Hawing"? Is it what you do instead of a sex life while you waited ten years for a camera to take a picture of a dead rock?

    2. Re:I speak for all slashdotters when I say... by sound+vision · · Score: 2

      heeHAWWW

    3. Re: I speak for all slashdotters when I say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Squeal like a dwarf planet. Wheeeeeeee!

  11. Re: Wrong by Rei · · Score: 1

    A letter that opens with:

    The New Horizons spacecraft experienced an anomaly this afternoon that led to a loss of communication with Earth. Communication has since been reestablished and the spacecraft is healthy.

    Also, it's a poorly worded letter - they wrote "the team is now working to return New Horizons to its original flight plan", which of course is going to make people think it's going to drift off course or something. Obviously, physics does not work that way. Even if New Horizons exploded today, it's remains would drift right past where it was targeted to be - there's no more burns to make this late in the game. Better wording would have been original science plan. And the science plan doesn't call for any particularly critical science in the next few days.

    These sorts of faults happen in spacecraft (often due to cosmic rays), and they're designed to handle them. New Horizons seems to have handled it perfectly, taking every action that it was supposed to.

    --
    Dear Lord: One of your creatures may be hurt tonight. Please let it be the other creature.
  12. Aliens by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They don't want us to take pictures of their homeworld.

    1. Re:Aliens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry about that little mistake with your landing vehicle! I was so startled when it approached my vessel in a threatening manner that... er... my automated defense systems fired on it when it got too close. I hope nobody got hurt!

    2. Re:Aliens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We do not need to this far in to resupply; this Oort Cloud as you call it is 1.5 light years in radius.
       

    3. Re:Aliens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Technical glitch right as it nears the base, err, I mean Pluto? Suuuurrrrreeeeee. nudge-nudge, wink-wink.

    4. Re:Aliens by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Say no more...

  13. It's not a big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can just activate the on-board 3D printer, print out a new probe (with a 3D printer in it), and maybe use private space to help along.

  14. Should have used Arduinos instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    much more reliable

    1. Re:Should have used Arduinos instead... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't recall those as being radiation hardened. There is the idea of using multiple COTS chips with the extras being for fail-over but then you have the added weight which really does matter.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  15. Re:Please stop using the word 'glitch' by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

    Those do not convey as much information. "Sh*t" not only says as much as "problem" or "anomaly" would about the observed state, but also says something about the state of the observer. "Sh^t" is therefore the more concise-- and eloquent-- word.

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  16. Confused by PPH · · Score: 0

    New Horizons was launched with mission instructions to proceed beyond Neptune's orbit and look for the next planet.

    Nope. No planets here.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  17. Yeah sure... by timbudtwo · · Score: 0

    "Glitch" they say...

  18. Local problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it possible that in the nine-plus years since it was launched, its communication protocol was hacked (state-sponsored hacking?) and somebody on planet Earth other than it's NASA controllers is telling it behave this way? Is there any value in soft-sabotaging a program that takes nearly a decade to really begin?

    1. Re:Local problems? by Rei · · Score: 1

      What do you call it when something has a simple, obvious answer, and someone suggests instead a pointlessly complex and ridiculous alternative? Occam's Trash Can?

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      Dear Lord: One of your creatures may be hurt tonight. Please let it be the other creature.
    2. Re:Local problems? by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      What do you call it when something has a simple, obvious answer, and someone suggests instead a pointlessly complex and ridiculous alternative? Occam's Trash Can?

      Just because it may be "pointlessly complex and ridiculous" does not mean it is not true. It just means it is somewhat less likely.
      Murphys Law rules, "likelyhood" is of no use in troubleshooting. 8-)

  19. Here's what's really going on by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Archive footage from 1998

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  20. Re:Please stop using the word 'glitch' by Dereck1701 · · Score: 1

    I don't think 'anomaly' or 'problem' are the words I'd use as there is at times humorous attempt by agencies/contractors to use such terms to describe totally catastrophic failures.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  21. Shaun! by spanky_poppagasket · · Score: 0

    Shaun!

    1. Re:Shaun! by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      What is it this time??

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    2. Re:Shaun! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You sir, won the internet yesterday. I am behind the times. However, it took me a minute and then I finally read your name. Too funny.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  22. Re:NASA is just fundraising by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

    Unfortunately they forgot to enable a channel on Galileo and lost half the data on decent.

  23. There is no New Horizon's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone just dropped the ball and forgot to get the set of photoshoped images of Pluto in time for the pre confirmed fly by date.
    All the people say "Noooo!" please give us our pretty images. All the people at ground control spin media to buy time for the picts to be uploaded on some server as to keep their fake? jobs awhile longer. Government laughs at you all. Oh whats the matter, you only got a brain for the status quo. Or is it look at me, I gots me critical thinking in a box. And people wonder why Hollywood has nothing new to show. IF they did, it would start to make people question and expose he truth around them. So it's rinse and repeat to infinium.

  24. Re:Please stop using the word 'glitch' by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    "Snafu"

  25. I can relate by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of my calculus final exam back in the day where my HP calculator started flickering and rebooting 4 minutes before the exam.

    I'll tell you the rest after the Pluto encounter...

  26. Re: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if New Horizons exploded today, it's remains would drift right past where it was targeted to be .

    I get the idea, but you are not absolutely correct. In an explosion parts will fly in all directions, obviously.

  27. Re:Local problems? [Hacked] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Kim Jong-un's face on Charon with his tongue sticking out does look suspicious.

  28. Sure... we believe you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and it's nothing whatsoever to do with the strange evenly spaced dark spots on Pluto...

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1073618/pg1

  29. Re:NASA is just fundraising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just their staple trick for getting free publicity. They apply it to about every single big mission. "Oh no! Glitch 10 seconds before crucial point!!"

    The sad thing is that intellectually bankrupt individuals like yourself get to publicly make such comments and other rednecks believe them. And so funding to do anything really interesting dries up.

  30. Re: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the science plan doesn't call for any particularly critical science in the next few days.

    Pluto rotates every 6.4 days. Seems to me that we could be missing a lot in the next few days.

  31. Re: Wrong by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

    Actually, you are incorrect. The parts flying backwards to the direction of travel will lose a little Delta-V while the parts blowing out sideways will experience a slight change in orbital direction. The entire mass would still fly right by Pluto right on schedule. Track that orbit 500 years into the future and they will disperse, but still will be following a path very close to the original orbit.

    So not obviously.

    Orbital mechanics is very non-intuitive. And all science fiction movies get it wrong, even Europa report, which did a damn sight better at getting the science right than Gravity or Interstellar did.

    Nothing in space follows a strait line, it is all orbits, and all orbits are curved.

    For more info: http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_relativity_curved.html

    If you want to demonstrate it to yourself grab a copy of KSP,* send a probe to an outer planet, blow it up,** and then watch where the parts go. It is absolutely mind blowing how nothing in space works the way it 'obviously' should.

    *KSP https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/en/

    **Planned disassembly sending parts in all directions so as not to destroy any, it is a game after all, and exploding pieces just vanish. We call them Kessler bombs, even though Kessler syndrome cannot be simulated due to computational limitations, it's fun to pollute an orbit and damned hard to actually hit anything if you fly through it.

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  32. Were they using Visual BASIC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people of the outer planets and dwarf planets are getting tired of us always spying on them and they have started incapacitating our spy devices

    Back in the Apollo moon landing era although the computational power of the computer on board was less than a smartphone nowadays the NASA engineers completed the feat by coding in machine language / assembly language

    Has the quality of American STEM fallen so much that the NASA engineers are using Visual BASIC?

  33. Forgot, or conveniently forgetting? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately they forgot to enable a channel on Galileo and lost half the data on decent

    There is a thing known as "Forgot" and then there is an entirely different thing known as 'conveniently forgetting'

    They might be able to fool the joe sixpacks with the 'oh we forgot to enable that channel' but it ain't gonna be an easy sale on us geeks

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  34. Intellectually bankrupt? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    The ones who are truly intellectually bankrupted, aka 'The sheeples ', believe in every single thing the authority tells them

    Baaaaaaaaah ....

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    1. Re: Intellectually bankrupt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cunt

  35. UPDATE: NASA issued a statement - it's good. by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 5, Informative

    UPDATE: NASA issued a statement at about 19:30 PT / 22:30 ET July 5 / 02:30 UT July 6 saying that the cause of the safe mode is understood, and that New Horizons will resume science operations on July 7:

    NASA’s New Horizons mission is returning to normal science operations after a July 4 anomaly and remains on track for its July 14 flyby of Pluto.

    The investigation into the anomaly that caused New Horizons to enter “safe mode” on July 4 has concluded that no hardware or software fault occurred on the spacecraft. The underlying cause of the incident was a hard-to-detect timing flaw in the spacecraft command sequence that occurred during an operation to prepare for the close flyby. No similar operations are planned for the remainder of the Pluto encounter.

    “I’m pleased that our mission team quickly identified the problem and assured the health of the spacecraft,” said Jim Green, NASA’s Director of Planetary Science. “Now – with Pluto in our sights – we’re on the verge of returning to normal operations and going for the gold.”

    http://www.planetary.org/blogs...

    1. Re:UPDATE: NASA issued a statement - it's good. by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Glad to hear that NASA can still do science properly!

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  36. Re:One to several days? by SlovakWakko · · Score: 1

    'one to several days' actually means 'we have no idea what's wrong and how to fix it'... it's common CS lingo :)

  37. Re: Wrong by KGIII · · Score: 1

    The whole Intersteller thing with love being the 5th dimension? Yeah... About that? I think we can stop calling it science fiction and just call it fiction. Additionally? It seemed like they used a hat to pull out a standard plot line, three standard tropes/plot twists, and five real bits of science that they did not actually understand. Then they wrote a horrific story to combine them and, of course, had to throw in an entirely absurd premise (love beats physics) because, otherwise, everybody is dead. Then they dragged the movie out with mindless inanities and special effects that pale in comparison to the average effects being rendered today. It is not even bad in a good way, it is just bad. It sucked.

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  38. BAD DESIGN NASA by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    Why not make the craft in such a way so that when it points in dish to earth, its camera can still point to pluto, heres a tip, how about install TWO cameras with 180deg fov, and then you will never miss your target.

    Heres a clue, how about a motorized lens that can rotate the camera or lens or whatever.

    Heres another clue, design an ultimate design thats fit for any planet/flyby, a generic all purpose best of all situations craft, with plugin addons for specific sensors.

    Stop redesigning from scratch each craft for 700 million. NASA you need to learn from the PC industry, modular design. Reduce costs, send more probes, or always send up pairs, like the rovers.

    Second, why are they still sending images in JPEG '94, they should use JPEG2000, to reduce the data by another 300% or send 3x more images.

    JPEG'94 is junk.

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  39. multitask anyone? by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    Why cant the sensors have their own memory, and record data, regardless of what the state of the main computer is.

    Each sensor should have its own cpu/OS/storage/backup battery. Main computer can just access each sensors data via http, over internal ethernet (backup wifi), and repackage up to send to earth, while the sensors can keep recording at the same time.

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