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First Windows 10 RTM Candidate Appears

Mark Wilson reports that the first RTM candidate for Windows 10 has been spotted: build 10176. Leaks and sources have suggested the company intends to finalize the operating system later this week, perhaps as early as July 9th. This would give Microsoft almost three weeks to distribute it to retailers and devicemakers before the July 29th launch date. "While the RTM process has been a significant milestone for previous releases of Windows, it’s more of a minor one for Windows 10. Microsoft is moving Windows 10 to a 'Windows as a service' model that means the operating system is regularly updated."

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  1. Microsoft is not trustworthy for a rolling release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    With Microsofts track record on new "innovations", I will never install any rolling updating OS from them. One can not really be sure, if one day after mandatory update the UI is something as fabulous as Metro, existing media player gets removed or they just decide that control panel applications are too hard to use and plainly remove them. There are also still some Microsoft applications that do not have the ribbon UI, so they still can reduce their usability.

  2. Re:Just in time by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows NT.

    While Windows XP had a 64bit version the 32bit version was still popular, as PC's at the time were still mostly under 4 gigs of ram, and most were 32bit processors.
    XP lasted too long. There was too much effort in Vista, they wanted to make an ultimate OS, thus failed miserably, a system designed to take advantage of many of the next generation Ideas, that was not implemented.
    Windows 7 "the new golden age of Windows?" really took the fact that there was competition with Mac OS and Linux seriously and made one of their most Solid Consumer OS, they fixed Vista's features that were over engineered and made it work well again. Windows 7 was good enough to put an end of the "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" commercials. Windows 7 is also when people started switching seriously to a 64bit OS. And actually loosing compatibility with many of the old 16bit apps.
    Windows 8 and 8.1 isn't that bad. However they tried to make a tablet and PC OS. By in turn making a system that isn't optimal for both. Granted now with the Ultrabooks with touch screens getting more popular, the interface changes are paying off a bit more, however we are missing what we need for a good workstation OS.
    Windows 10... From what I have seen so far they seem to be going back to making it more of a workstation OS, with touch capabilities. The Tablet never caught on as well as people hoped. It didn't send the Desktop/Laptop into a doom spiral. However it changed that nature of the desktop to a smaller market share. Those who need to do real computing still needed these systems. And the new Ultrabooks convertible systems have caught on.

    Now what about Linux and Macs?
    If you don't like windows, there isn't anything wrong with Linux or Macs, so even if Windows 10 is a huge success... It doesn't mean it will kill your favorite OS as I am sure they will be around for decades to come.

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  3. Re:Just in time by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Tablet did take off. Just not Windows Tablets. iPad and Android tablets rule that marketplace.

    The Windows OS wasn't designed for a tablet, and the changes in Win 8.x were too late and focused on the wrong sector (desktop/laptops). The tablet interface in Win 8 does work, but people don't buy windows tablets. The Convertible Windows laptop/tablets are more expensive than a regular laptop and a separate tablet.

    Trying to be the best of both, and being good at neither is a good way to lose market-share. Which is where Windows is now. Windows is declining, and as Microsoft moves to the subscription model, will die even faster.

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  4. Re:"as a Service" = you have to buy it Every Year? by gstoddart · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Honestly, how much trust do you put in what Microsoft publicly says?

    It's not binding, they repeatedly change their mind, and they're a huge multinational who doesn't give crap what their consumers want.

    Microsoft has said many things publicly which they've reversed course on.

    But the current Microsoft which says Home versions of the OS can't defer patches, that they'll share your wifi password because they say so, wants to embed ads into the OS, and whatever other crap they feel like doing -- this entity doesn't give a fuck about what we want, and increasingly act like they get to make decisions about computers and not the owners.

    So you'll pardon us for having ZERO faith in the fact that Microsoft has said anything. Because it doesn't mean a damned thing.

    They will do whatever maximizes profits, and what their lawyers say they can get away with.

    Your blindly saying you believe them makes you either naive, or clueless.

    Microsoft will be as much greedy bastards as they can possibly manage. That is all you can count on.

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  5. Re:"as a Service" = you have to buy it Every Year? by jo_ham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whether you trust microsoft or not, the fact remains that trying to push the "you need to buy it every year" line as a fact is in direct opposition to what Microsoft is publicly stating at this point.

    Trying to claim that it is a factual statement because "Microsoft is always lying" is just weak.

    As of the time of writing Microsoft's stance on this has been repeatedly outlined. Trying to ignore it, dismiss it, or simply state that they're lying to fit your predetermined narrative that anything that comes out of Redmond is bad just makes you look like you're grasping at straws.

  6. Re:I hope it's better than the last preview by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This. Apple is bad enough at trying to shoe horn new releases into a set schedule, but for MS to pull that off, given their track record, would take a Parting-the-Red-Sea miracle. Hey MS, here's a crazy idea:
    1. Come up with a list of cool features your users and best developers want to see.
    2. Implement them.
    3. Test them.
    4. Bake them into a new OS and release it when it's ready. If it takes 14 months instead of 12, THAT'S OK!!! Really. The number of people jonesing for a new Windows release, even if it's half-baked and buggy, is incredibly close to zero.
    5. Profit!

    BTW, if any of this is too complicated I'm available to consult at very reasonable rates.

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  7. Re:"as a Service" = you have to buy it Every Year? by macs4all · · Score: 3, Insightful

    [... 5 minutes later...]

    - Hey, how come I can't run Excel anymore? - Excel doesn't run under Linux, but here, you can use OpenOffice instead. - Screw that, I need to run Excel! Put Windows back on!

    Well, there is another alternative: Get a Mac.

    That way, you can have your Excel (or Libre Office) and a secure OS. And if you want to mess around in the command-line world, well, you can do that, too.