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Google's Driverless Cars Now Rolling In the Heart of Texas

MarkWhittington notes that, as reported by The Wall Street Journal, Google has started testing its self-driving cars in Austin. These driverless cars, loaded with the sensors, GPS transponders, and cameras, are now in service in "an area northeast and north of downtown Austin. The purpose of the test drives is to see if the car's software works in driving conditions outside of California and to develop a detailed map of Austin city streets. Each self-driving car has two human drivers ready to assume manual control if something goes wrong."

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  1. Question by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Funny

    How many drivers does it take to drive a driverless car?

    1. Re:Question by CreatureComfort · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You realize prototype and home built airplanes are flown from public airports all the time?

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    2. Re:Question by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Are Texan Drivers worse than Californian Drivers?

      Given that the most popular car in TX is the F-150, there are 85 mph speed limit zones, and that car dealers offer to throw in the (not "a") gun rack for free, what do you think?

      But anyhow, this isn't testing the car in Texas, it's testing it in one fairly well-regulated city, atypically designed to have as many broad streets, identical size city blocks and 90 degree corners as possible. It didn't evolve like most other cities, and present fewer challenges except for traffic density. Now Houston would have been a better challenge.

    3. Re:Question by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are Texan Drivers worse than Californian Drivers?

      I've seen people in Texas driving slow who will pull over to the side to allow faster traffic to go by. This sort of courtesy may just blow the autonomous cars' circuitry after dealing with California drivers.
      I expect that the human backup drivers are still from California, so it is unlikely they will be able to take over in that situation either.

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    4. Re: Question by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

      On mopac during rush hour? It takes none. You turn the car off, get out, lay in the median and try to wake up before 5pm so you can turn around and go home.

    5. Re:Question by mysidia · · Score: 2

      More likely the driverless car would be the one in front with its bumper being ridden.

      In other words, now the self-driving car needs to learn the customs and cultural driving quirks of the local population, otherwise Google's self-driving automaton is at the risk of being declared to be a jackass, for not pulling over for the cars on its bumper to pass.

    6. Re:Question by mysidia · · Score: 2
      2.0....

      AI-Module_FleeAccidentScene.dll
      AI-Module_GetawayCar.dll
      AI-Module_MobileProstitutionVan.dll
      AI-Module_RamRaiding.dll
      BulletProofGlass.dll
      HeavilyArmoredBody.dll
      InfraredJammer.dll
      HoodMountedLaser.dll
      BumperAttachedBatteringRam.dll
      DriverSideRocketLauncher.dll
      WindowTint.dll
      StuddedRunflatTires.dll
      PerformanceExhaust.dll
      OdometerSetback.dll
      ColdairIntake.dll
      MufflerDelete.dll
      RadarDetector.dll
      FakeLicensePlate.dll
      HiddenRearGunTurret.dll
      EMPGenerator.dll
      PoliceRadioJammer.dll
      SmugglingCompartment.dll
      DroneLaunchingPad.dll

  2. Texas? by gtall · · Score: 3, Funny

    It shouldn't take long for some of the inhabitants to consider this to be the tip of the Obama Administration spear to take over Texas so they can remove their guns, impose environmental regulations, force money to be spent on education. And this right after the Jade Helm 15 exercises. They are probably Islamic driverless cars.

    1. Re:Texas? by Yosho · · Score: 2

      I would imagine that, in the event of an emergency, it's programmed to come to a complete stop and call the authorities, then wait for user intervention.

      That's probably not an issue, though, because:
      1) Google's car already has multiple cameras recording everything that are much better than whatever you would have.
      2) The drivers in the car would take control in the event of an emergency, anyway.
      3) Google's car probably has individual components that are more expensive than your entire car, and there's no reason they wouldn't file an insurance claim to cover it (and do their best to ensure you're found at fault).
      4) The odds of a robotic car colliding with you are miniscule compared to a manned vehicle.

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    2. Re:Texas? by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      You know this is in Austin, right?

      It's more likely that they'll soon have the car running entirely on vegan fuel, maybe with a purple hair dye job.

      Yes, people hear Texas and think guns and pickup trucks. But Austin is basically what it would be like if California was in Texas.

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    3. Re:Texas? by Yosho · · Score: 4, Informative

      Over a year ago, Google's cars had already logged over 700k miles in California and Nevada with zero accidents where they were at fault: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/181508-googles-self-driving-car-passes-700000-accident-free-miles-can-now-avoid-cyclists-stop-for-trains

      That aside, there will be a handful of robotic cars on the roads as opposed to many thousands of manned cars. You're statistically unlikely to even see a robotic car, let alone get in a collision with one.

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    4. Re:Texas? by AsmCoder8088 · · Score: 2

      I honestly don't know how it's coded to behave in such an incident

      if (victim.LicensePlate==DigiShaman)
      {
      perform_hit_and_run();
      }

  3. Re:What an idea by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow, checking if something works outside of California. What an idea!

    Wake me up when they test winter driving in upper New Hampshire.

  4. This run at driverless cars will fail by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK here's the thing with this generation of driverless cars- their motion is governed by neural nets. I am going to assume that everyone here is familiar with this programming paradigm. If not, the Wikipedia entry on it is adequate.

    While in the end NN are just another form of Turning machine, currently no one can divine the algorithm of a trained neural net well enough to express it in IF THEN ELSE WHILE form.

    That means given a trained NN which is 100% correct 100% of the time , no could write an imperative or procedural (broadly speaking) program which captured the logic (IF THEN ELSE) the neural net is using (defacto using, NN don't have IF THEN ELSE logic except those implicitly embedded in their activation rules) to solve the problem.

    That means the algorithm the NN has arrived at is not open to analytical inspection and confirmation, except very indirectly.

    This is OK for wide variety of predictive tasks in which human life does not hang in the balance. In medicine, the diagnostic results from NN and even Good Old Fashioned AI expert systems are reality--checked by human doctors.

    Neural nets ALWAYS run the risk of coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reason enough of the time to fool humans into thinking it "understands" the problem domain in a way that is analogous to a human. A NN so trained will fool or lull human observers into a false sense of security until that BIG ACCIDENT happens then a post mortum reveals the shocking truth about what the NN was focusing in on to make it decisions.

    The Big Idea behind NN is that, through a combination of evolutionary forces and billions of iterations the NN will learn using the same Hebbian activation princples the brain appears (now) to use and that with enough training, the exceptional cases that I am describing will be found and rooted out.

    But even in nature, this doesn't happen reliably. Take for example the Australian Jewel Beetle. Over perhaps millions of years, it has of course evolved a robust way to recognize desirable mates and procreate. That is as basic an evolutionary task as you can imagine- it has to work or the species is doomed.

    However, the male's algorithm for mating is not as robust as you might imagine. It seems that what males rely on to select a mate is a very, very limited set of perceptual cues. As it turns out, it is looking for big glossy brown curved things. When it sights one, it alights and starts humping away.

    Well, Austrailian beer bottles fit this description *and fit it better than the female of the species*. People toss empty beer bottles in the outback and the result is the male beetles prefer the beer bottles to such a degree that the beetles were going to go extinct. Austrailia had to pass a law to change the appearance of its beer bottles.

    http://blogs.scientificamerica...

    This is a cautionary tale to those who think evolutionary forces produce only *robust* algorithms. What evolution actually produces is *good enough so far* algorithms. What well trained NN produce are similarly good enough algorithms. In both cases we have to do science to try to get at what it is they are relying on- what features they are *really* trained on. And we don't know there's a problem until tragedy happens and we don't know how ridiculous the problem is until we do science.

    This is different from procedural programming which, the Halting Problem notwithstanding, CAN be analytically examined for correctness. Procedural type programming plus sensors is what runs water stations, trains, planes etc. The military does use NN to try to recognize things but it has humans making the final decision and when the missle gets launched, it's not left to a NN to decide where to finally land.

    Moreover, self driving cars under the control of a NN can and will be attacked by the usual miz of 14 y/o kids, pranksters, criminals and terrorists

    1. Re:This run at driverless cars will fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hi, I'm a developer who works on intelligent vehicles.

      We don't use neural nets, for exactly the flaws you point out.

    2. Re:This run at driverless cars will fail by bgarcia · · Score: 2

      The Slashdot moderation system needs a "Wrong" setting. None of the major developers are using neural nets to implement self-driving functionality.

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  5. Boston by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 2

    You want to really give those cars a test? Boston. Or New York City, if you must. But Boston would be better. Lanes that disappear without warning, roads that are blocked, randomly, by "repairs", signs warning you of work zones (and double fines) which then turn out to be devoid of any workers (indeed, any sign whatsoever of work, except for a few orange plastic barrels), lack of any signs when you need them most...I could go on -- but I bet Google's cars couldn't!

    And then, Boston drivers...

  6. Driverless* by clonehappy · · Score: 2

    *When the two humans driving the car feel safe enough to let the computer take over, which according to Google's own data is about half the time.

    So sick of hearing about this driverless car bullshit, when it isn't anywhere near that.