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Google Photos Uploading Your Pics, Even If You Don't Want It To
New submitter Adekyn writes that, according to David A. Arnott of The Business Journals, the Google Photos app will sync your photos — even after you have deleted the application from your device.
From the article: All I had to do to turn my phone into a stealth Google Photos uploader was to turn on the backup sync, then uninstall the app. Whereas one might reasonably believe uninstalling the app from the phone would stop photos from uploading automatically to Google Photos, the device still does it even in the app’s absence. Since making this discovery, I have re-created the issue multiple times in multiple settings on my Galaxy S5.
I reached out to Google, and after reaching someone on the phone and describing the issue, was told to wait for a comment. Several hours later, I received a terse email that said, “The backup was as intended.” If I want to stop it from happening, I was told I'd have to change settings in Google Play Services.
A video of the process accompanies the article.
Except that in your little analogy, uninstalling the app should correspond to taking the TV away. As a customer, that was my intent when I removed the app. Anything else is sneaky and borderline (?) malicious.
Google Photos is a different application than backup sync. More at 11.
Your analogy just shows that you don't understand the problem. A TV switched on is very obvious. And it's not a privacy issue.
The problem described by the OP is not obvious, and is a privacy problem.
Don't attribute to malice that which can be sufficiently explained by incompetence.
Or maybe backup sync is a different program. No that can't be it at all. ZOMG THE CORPORATIONS ARE OUT TO GET OUR DATAZ!!!!
In this day and age, don't attribute to incompetence that which can be sufficiently explained by malice.
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It's non obvious that the app is not doing the back-up.
I understand what's going on, having read the summary, but I would not have guessed that deleting the app that asked me about back-up, and where I make my settings for the back-up, does not delete the back-up functionality
I don't think it's malicious, but I am surprised that Google is sticking to it being the right way for it work.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
I have a Galaxy S5, and have encountered the same types of problems with the baked-into-the-OS Google services. I have rooted the phone, installed app-ops (useless Google window dressing), and then xposed framework and xprivacy. The level of intrusion and data capture is simply stunning.
The first thing that usually blows people mind is when they visit Google GPS location history page at https://maps.google.com/locati... - even though they weren't aware of it, every move they've made for months has been tracked down to the minute by Google. You can "turn location history off" on that web page, but the GPS is so baked into the OS that this cute web page checkbox is almost guaranteed not stop the continuous GPS gathering. In fact, after blocking location access by GPS, you get a stern warning "enable location services for gps", and the "do not ask again" is greyed out if you do not allow it, you will get nagged regularly.
Your phone is essentially rooted. If it can ring remotely, be located via GPS and be disabled by "find a phone" features, it is not you that has root on the OS. It is the company that can employ that at any time.
The Google intrusion is multifaceted once you start digging in, dozens of different components of the OS that make contact with external servers without documentation. Spending massive time disabling their access to your personal data one by one will usually result in a borked phone. One of those back doors is going to get your data even if you think you turned everything off.
Then we have the Samsung apps that are in full intrusion mode. The health app? Wants your contacts and location. The keyboard software? Wants your contacts and location.
It is of course impossible to use these devices without your entire contact list, phone and text engagement, password list, etc, being scarfed up and sent to the cloud. Any single OS library that has network access can act as a gateway to other components that look like they are otherwise behaving when they access your clipboard, screen, etc.
The biggest problem is not that every aspect of your life is tied together by a corporation, who has recordings of your voice, keystrokes of everything you've typed, pictures of you that are run through facial recognition, etc. It's that this is all going over the wire to a corporation that is too big for one government to reign in. A corporation that has had their internal communications tapped by the NSA. A corporation that "plays ball" with law enforcement by giving them their own handy web portal to data. And of course is all behind one password that can be hacked and cracked on by the entire world of hackers from lawless nation states. Soon coming to a Windows 10 computer near you.
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The app isn't doing the backup. The app is gone. The app had a convenient way to access the basic Google Sync settings, but itself is not Google Sync.
Deleting the app that you used to change a system-level setting used by other apps should NOT change the setting.
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Deleting the app that you used to change a system-level setting used by other apps should NOT change the setting.
That's a reasonable policy, as long as it is absolutely clear in the app that:
1. it was a system-level setting you were changing,
2. the system would continue to honour that setting independent of the app, and
3. you could subsequently turn the system setting off again by doing X independent of the app.
However, if that wasn't clear, and this setting involves uploading data to Google silently and automatically, then the current behaviour is shady as hell. A device that is recording and/or uploading anything without its user's knowledge, or worse when its user explicitly thinks they have turned that behaviour off, is always a usability and privacy issue, and it is always the software developers' responsibility to fix it.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
We're talking Google here - they certainly are incompetent at a range of things, but when it comes to "accidentally" gathering information, they're very competent indeed.
It's not multiple engines. That's the stupidest analogy I've ever heard.
It's more like this:
You have a car. Your speedometer says you're doing 60 in a 50 zone, so in order to prevent yourself from getting a speeding ticket, you remove the speedometer from the car. Then, you're both surprised it still moves, and surprised that you get a speeding ticket for doing 60 in a 50 zone, when your speedometer obviously didn't say you were doing that, so you couldn't possibly have been speeding.
Your speedometer isn't making the car move, and Google Photos isn't doing the backup. Google Photos is an app that runs only when you run it. If you set Google Sync to backup your photos, don't be surprised when it backs up your photos.
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
It's there, unless I'm being dense:
Settings -> Accounts -> Google -> (click on your account name) -> Google+ Photos.
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Urgh. Google, knock it off with the "We know better than you do" bullshit. At least make me aware of what Android is actually doing with my stuff.
Factory reset your phone, then actually READ through the screens you clicked next to.
Backup and syncing photos and contacts with your google account is about the 4th screen in which you were PROMPTED about when you setup your phone. Don't act all surprised when a feature of the OS it informed you of actually works.
Seriously, this is the kind of thing that is making me want my next smartphone to run something else. I just don't know what yet.
Why? You'll only complain about something else when you blindly click accept to every window during the setup process on that device too.