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J.J. Abrams On "Star Wars" Cast's Racial and Sexual Diversity

Yesterday at Comic-Con, director J.J. Abrams held forth on the racial and sexual diversity of the actors portraying the characters of the Star Wars franchise. From CNET's article: For Star Wars, it's a complex debate. The franchise has included prominent and strong female characters, like Princess Leia, as well as central characters played by black actors, such as Cloud City administrator Lando Calrissian, played by Billy Dee Williams, and Jedi Mace Windu, played by Samuel L. Jackson. On the other hand, Jar Jar Binks, a computer-generated alien in 1999's "Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace," drew fire from some critics, who said he called to mind demeaning black film characters such as those played by Stepin Fetchit in the 1930s. (Not to mention other cultural stereotypes that pop up in Episodes I, II, and III.)

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  1. Never heard that one before by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have never heard of anyone who thought Jar Jar Binks reminded them of black characterisations. Nor has that ever occurred to me. Seriously how long is the bow they are stretching?

    Jar Jar Binks made me sick to the stomach because of how he represented the complete destruction of something I loved with a character that I wanted to die in many many horrible and painful ways.

    1. Re:Never heard that one before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Watch again, he's obviously a (bad) Jamaican stereotype. That said, that's not the reason I disliked him either.

    2. Re:Never heard that one before by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jar Jar's speech sounds a lot like Jamaican patois to me. Whether that is racist or not is another story, but Jar Jar's general behavior; stupid, lazy, and addled, do conjure up the way blacks were portrayed in literature and films for a rather long time. I don't think Lucas is a racist, and I've long given him the benefit of the doubt that Jar Jar was yet another iteration of the whole Ewok concept, cute funny talking things that can be made into toys that say things like "E-chooda!", because in Lucas's mind, the kids love them.

      The problem with Lucas's theory is that, at least the kids of my generation (what I'd call the Star Wars generation, who were 5-10 years old when the first film came out), we had no interest in any silly characters. The most desirable action figures were Darth Vader (because he was bad ass and could crush peoples' throats with his mind), Chewbacca, Han Solo and Obiwan, because they were the fighters who kicked ass.

      I was eleven or twelve years old when Return of the Jedi came out, and I found the Ewok scenes to range from fucking insipid to, in the final battle scenes, be utterly improbable.

      But I don't think Jar Jar was any more intentionally racist than the Ewoks (who, so far as I can tell, were heavily modeled on African bush people). It's just that Lucas has so little capability to portray nuance that you end up with broad caricatures that you have to forgive some for confusing with rather well known racist imagery.

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    3. Re: Never heard that one before by Noah+Haders · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're intentionally missing the point. there's a cultural history found in movies, tv and books that portray black people as subservient and uneducated stereotypes. This portrayal reinfoced class and racial structures of the day that served to keep black people "in their place". Long tradition of this. summary mentions stepin fetchet. uncle remus. blackface comedy. jar jar is a direct decendent of this line of humor. either you're being purposefully obtuse, or maybe you're from iceland or something and completely unexposed to american culture and history.

    4. Re:Never heard that one before by ganjadude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      oh no i saw the movie the day it came out and i thought it was a waste of 5 bucks (matinee)

      its fantasy... i dont to this day think about real life when watching fantasy. those who do IMO are wasting their time because whats the point of fantasy if you are going to do nothing but complain about how its close to X, if you squint real hard and spin around 3 times, it could be taken as racist

      these people need to get lives

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    5. Re:Never heard that one before by NicBenjamin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jar Jar's speech sounds a lot like Jamaican patois to me. Whether that is racist or not is another story, but Jar Jar's general behavior; stupid, lazy, and addled, do conjure up the way Pot Smokers were portrayed in literature and films for a rather long time.

      Fixed it for you.

      Has anyone ever noticed that the black stereotypes are also the stereotypes applied to pot smokers?

      Dude, don't go down this rabbit hole. There is a black stereotype that matches every single bad thing you could say about people. More then you can count. They range from perfect servant (who should be trusted with your beautiful daughter), to rapist who can only be stopped by vigilante justice (who should be trusted with your beautiful daughter, but only after Dylan Roof has shot him in the head).

      The bad black Jamaican stereotype is related to weed, but if Lucas had wanted to make a bunch of weed jokes he didn't have to give the dude an accent. And if he had to pick an accent he could have used almost anything but Jamaica. Make it British, and not cockney, make it fucking Received Pronunciation. That contrast would be hilarious. Dude talks like the queen, acts like your buddy from High School who can't quite function in society. What we have with Jar-Jar is just a sad mix of annoying and anti-Jamaican racism.

    6. Re:Never heard that one before by cfalcon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Dude, it's a real world accent on a ludicrous creature, and we see at least three of those types of things in the prequels. Why use a real world accent at all?

    7. Re: Never heard that one before by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, no... he's not black. George Lucas simply cast a Caribbean-descended (Barbados and St. Thomas) voice actor to give him a Jamaican-flavored accent. To the most ridiculous character in the movie, who's behavior just happens to strongly resemble the blackface minstrel characters.

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    8. Re: Never heard that one before by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hear you, and if it was just Jar-Jar I would probably write it off. But the Jewish/Arab caricature in Watto and the Japanese caricature in the Trade Federation just makes it hard to ignore.

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    9. Re:Never heard that one before by ganjadude · · Score: 1, Insightful

      the funny thing, is that im not even a star wars fan.

      Im just sick and tired of EVERYTHING being offensive to some group of people

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    10. Re:Never heard that one before by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And why didn't Lucas do what he did for aliens in the original trilogy: Either make them speak some alien language with subtitles, or give them some not-easily-identified accent? Jabba didn't speak like an Italian guy - he spoke in Huttese. Greedo spoke in his own tongue. Chewbacca had his growls that Han and C3P-O translated. Aliens that spoke English (Yoda, Ackbar, etc) did so without any obvious dialect. You didn't have Ackbar shouting "It's a trap!" with a French accent. Yoda didn't speak with a stereotypical Indian accent. The original Star Wars trilogy did alien-speak right, why couldn't the prequels? (Not saying that this would have fixed all of the prequels' problems. Their issues go far deeper than offensive alien accents. Still, it would have been one less thing to cringe at.)

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    11. Re: Never heard that one before by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Saying "It's Inuit" is like saying all Native Americans are Sioux.

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    12. Re:Never heard that one before by BoberFett · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the bad guys were always white men with British accents. Oh noes.

    13. Re:Never heard that one before by quenda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Watch again, he's obviously a (bad) Jamaican stereotype.

      Not obvious to me. If anything, I thought he was vaguely Italian, maybe because I meet a lot more Italians than Jamaicans.
      But really, he is just meant to sounds foreign to the others.

      The worst negative stereotype in American cinema is the villains all having English accents.

    14. Re:Never heard that one before by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Aliens that spoke English (Yoda, Ackbar, etc) did so without any obvious dialect.

      And they all appeared too white, too male and too heterosexual.

      Yoda and Ackbar were white? And displaying their sexuality onscreen?

      Wow, I must have been hammered when I was watching those movies...

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    15. Re:Never heard that one before by dywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh BS. On all counts.

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    16. Re:Never heard that one before by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the main problem happens when people (movie directors, studio execs, marketing, etc) decides that "gearing X towards kids" means "adding lots of bodily humor, inserting slapstick everywhere, and dumbing everything down." There have been a lot of very successful "kids" movies that don't pander to kids and are quite watchable by adults.

      A recent one that comes to mind is Inside Out. Disney/Pixar could have easily made the imaginary friend character (Bing Bong) a Jar-Jar Binks-esque disaster. They could have inserted tons of scenes of the emotions slamming into things. They could have had Anger release gas every time he got furious. They did none of this. Instead, they made a movie that my 8 year old loved, my 11 year old loved, my wife loved, and I (pushing 40) loved. They didn't assume that Kid = Only Appreciates Crude/Low Brow Humor.

      I'm not saying there isn't a place for crude humor. Sometimes it works just fine. However, shoehorning that stuff into a movie because "this will appeal to kids" is a recipe for disaster.

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    17. Re:Never heard that one before by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Unfortunately, that really limited the ability of the producers to pick inoffensive accents

      Didn't stop them with Yoda.

      Also, I guess someone should have mentioned that to the guys who did the Vulcan accent and speech mannerisms, the Klingon accent and speech mannerisms, and frankly almost every Star Trek race gets a speech pattern that is both distinct and not just a copy of something from Earth.

      Also, there's a pretty big difference between "we chose an accent" and "we fitted a greedy merchant fly with a hat and a huge nose... you'll NEVER guess what accent he ended up with!"

      Anyway, no, it being filmed in the real world didn't stop anyone from doing anything they wanted. This is obviously what they wanted, and it truly is a bit silly.

  2. Who gives a fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Getting extremely tired of this overanalytical pussification of society. Time for the rude assholes to take charge again and kick these SJWs to the curb.

    1. Re:Who gives a fuck by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because being an anti-social prick is so very superior. If it's gone too far in one direction, it's because it started too far in the other. It's time for the PCers and rude assholes to take a seriously needed chill pill. Being civil is what decent people do, and spurning hysterical people, whether because they are overly sensitive, or overly sensitive to overly sensitive people, is what decent people should do.

      Grow up. Racial stereotypes, like farting in public, is just plain bad behavior, and it isn't "pussification" to call out incidents of either.

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    2. Re:Who gives a fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      People who use victimhood as a means to exert power over others. That's who gives a fuck.

    3. Re:Who gives a fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Navel gazing about cast ratios isn't going to make people to respect one another. It's just grievance mongering and if the Star War franchise wants to indulge all the little hates you've been trained with that's fine, but the audience walk away. I know I'm not paying to be lectured to.

    4. Re:Who gives a fuck by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anyone who has to make up a word for "someone who doesn't want to change their sex (with surgery/hormones and/or gender presentation (with behavior/dress/etc)" is pretty clearly demonstrating a rather fucked up brand of intolerance themselves.

    5. Re:Who gives a fuck by walterbyrd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Because being an anti-social prick is so very superior.

      No because enough already. PC mush heads are making BFDs out of nothing. They are straining as hard as they can to find something victimizing in every innocent thing people do. And it really is insanely annoying, and people get along less, not more.

  3. Star Wars VII: Revenge of SuperShadow by Guy+From+V · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I once was a big Star Wars fan, then I took a these just suck now to the knee.

  4. J.J. Abrams is a fucking idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let us recall his previous shitty TV shows and movies:

    • Lost
    • Fringe
    • Mission Impossible 3
    • Super 8
    • Need I go on?

    What do these all have in common? Yes... pushing the viewer's buttons, setting up interesting premises, promising to reveal answers to unexplained events, but never delivering on those promises (Lost, ugh) and leaving us viewers hanging. In general, Abrams' material is nothing but a thinly veiled vehicle for pushing advertisements designed to entice people to tune in for the next episode, with a complete absence of any actual substance or meaning.

    Fringe was especially horrible. Every time the protagonists got in trouble, Dr. Walter Bishop would pull something out of his "from a project he worked on the 70s" and mumble a lot, and things would sort of just drag on.

    So... thanks but no thanks, Mr. Abrams. Please eat a bowl of warm shit, and retire from Hollywood.

  5. Abrams and diversity in Star Trek??? by superdave80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...given his track record of helping build a diverse cast as director of the "Star Trek" reboot films

    Uh, was Abrams really going to have white people play Sulu and Uhura? And the only other major female character I remember were the green chick in her underwear and the blond chick in her underwear, so Abrams didn't exactly help along the fairer sex in his films. I think the writer had no clue about the history of Star Trek.

  6. Pandering by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The cast's "Racial and Sexual Diversity" is more important than having a plot, hiring good actors, making a good movie.

    The funny thing is that people that bitch about such things aren't even the target audience for this kind of media. They aren't going to go see the movie anyhow, they are just going to post to tumblr and youtube about how "fair or unfair" it is and ignore it's content.

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  7. Droids? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For me, one of the most interesting (yet seemingly ignored) cultural component is the droids.

    In the Star Wars universe, Droids like Artoo and Threepio and, presumably, millions of others, are self-aware and intelligent. They appear to feel physical pain and have emotions like happiness, fear and sadness.

    Yet as near as I can see in the canon, droids have no rights whatsoever. They can be bought and sold, ordered to their death, kidnapped by Jawas, melted, sent to the spice mine of Kessel or smashed into who knows what.

    ...and don't me started on restraining bolts.

  8. Get a grip by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get a grip. It's a movie. It's fantasy. It's not reality.

    Sheesh.

    The FUD spewed by the "discrimination" crowd is just mind-boggling sometimes.

    WTF would it take to satisfy you all? Vader cross-dressing in his apartment?

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  9. Are there any... women here? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The franchise has included prominent and strong female characters, like Princess Leia

    And...? You make it sound like that's just the start of a long list, so let's hear the rest of it.

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  10. Re:stop with all the nonsense by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's starting to creep into TV shows as well. Penny Dreadful, an otherwise reasonably competent show, has the characters spewing feminist screeds - "if men didn't control women with corsets, women would rule the wold" - no, a "feature" of corsets was the fact that women wearing them could afford servants to do the manual labour, they were status symbols. A bit like how pale skin was considered more beautiful at the time because it showed you didn't have to work outside all day long.

    Then we have the painful efforts in shows like Flint, where the most notorious pirate in literature comes out as gay; it felt as though the entire show was leading up to that, all that was missing was the triumphal choir in the background. Contrast this with say the Game of Thrones series, where guys are sucking dick left and right but nobody cares - it's not the point of the show, just window dressing, neither good nor bad, just there.

    What pisses me off most about these thinly veiled propaganda pieces is that they detract from the interest, beauty and genuine wonder of the rest of the production, they stick out like a sore thumb, they jar and disrupt immersion. Masterful works such as Salem have plenty of empowered women and whatnot without ever having to spout Dworkinisms.

    I dunno, maybe I'm just hypersensitive to it what with the SJW plague doing the rounds these days.