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NYC Asks Google Maps For Fewer Left Turns

An anonymous reader writes: Members of the New York City Council have sent a letter to Google asking that its Maps navigation system provide users an option to "reduce left turns." Pedestrian safety is the issue they're trying to improve. In the U.S., a quarter of all accidents involving pedestrians happen while a vehicle is making a left turn. "The first cause of death for New York City children under 13 is not gangs, it's not poverty, not violence. It's being hit by cars and trucks. This is the time for the city to reach out to the private sector, so they can help us to provide information to drivers about where you should avoid making left turns." The council members are also asking for an option that would let truckers stay on known truck routes, hoping that would prevent the problems that arise when big-rigs wander onto streets not large enough to safely accommodate them.

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  1. Re:or... by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they could just put up "no left turn" signs

    It takes money to order and install such signs. Then those requirements impede profit later on, as well. That plan won't fly. Instead they spent a few days' worth of city council time writing a letter to ask someone else to provide an optional work-around.

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  2. Seems Reasonable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Making a request like this seems very reasonable and hopefully Google will be able to improve their service in this regard.

  3. Re:or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes a left turn is necessary. Having Google maps put a higher cost in the algorithm for left turns, the system can then determine better if a left turn should be made or three rights. It isn't about eliminating them entirely (as it isn't practical to do so), it is about reducing.

  4. It works for UPS. by RevWaldo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apparently it also reduces fuel consumption and saves time

    http://compass.ups.com/UPS-dri...

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    1. Re:It works for UPS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      UPS has the advantage that they don't want to go to a specific target, but drive past multiple targets. It's quite likely that they don't substitude 3 right turns for each left turn they eliminate, but significantly less on average.

  5. "Truckers" should use commercial solutions by acoustix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Truckers shouldn't use google maps anyway - they don't provide legal truck routes. There are other applications out there like ALK PC Miler that provides truck routes based on verified truck routes, height and weight limits, etc.

    I'm not sure that Google wants to get into that game, at least not providing a free product.

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  6. Why don't apps learn? by barlevg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are certain roads I prefer to take and others I prefer to avoid, certain maneuvers I prefer to make and others I dislike. Example: especially if I'm navigating someplace unfamiliar, I'd much rather take the "least complicated" route that involves the fewest turns, especially if the time saving is less than 15 minutes.

    Google Maps tracks this, both if I'm putting together the route on the computer (for printing out and taking with me) or if I'm actually navigating. And yet its suggested directions never change. It seems like there'd be MORE than enough data accumulated in a relatively small number of drives for GMaps (or Waze, is after all owned by Google, or whatever) to notice "Ah, this person hates taking non-protected left turns," or, "this person will not take the beltway for any more than a half-hour's time savings," and to adjust the directions it gives accordingly. They personalize search results. Why not directions?

    1. Re:Why don't apps learn? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      They personalize search results. Why not directions?

      They're too busy figuring out the next way to shit up the maps interface with more idiotic changes.

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  7. One seems reasonable by afidel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The request for right turn optimized routes seems reasonable, but the truck route seems stupid to me. If you're operating a large truck you should be using truck optimized commercial software, not freaking Google Maps. There are all sorts of things like bridge height, earlier lane alignment alerts (it takes a LOT longer to get an opening big enough for a big rig), hazmat restrictions, etc that the commercial packages take into account that google maps is unlikely to ever add so giving a truck route option seems like it would give drivers a false sense that google maps is an acceptable alternative to what they should really be using.

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  8. As a motorcyclist... by TFlan91 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a motorcyclist, I avoid left turns like the plague.

    Not for safety reasons, but because I don't want to sit there for 15 minutes waiting for a car that weighs enough to pull up behind me to trigger the lights to turn green.

    We waste so much of our lives waiting at red lights its baffling!

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  9. The solution... by Krymzn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Switch to driving on the left.

  10. Better yet... by c · · Score: 4, Funny

    NYC should just ask Google to track children in real-time and let drivers know when one is nearby. And especially flag the ones who aren't being watched by an adult; they're way more likely to play in traffic.

    Pervasive surveillance... it's for the children!

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  11. numbers by corando · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1/4th of accidents occur when going in 1 of 4 directions.... imagine that :)

  12. Re:Waiting for that first "Nanny state" comment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I fail to see how anyone could construe offering an additional option, rather than constraining people to that option, is acting like a nanny state. Most especially since it's simply a friendly request, not a law, so it's up to google to decide if the feature offers value to their customers or not.

    Heck, I'd expect the right wing to be all over this as an example of how private companies and government can work together for mutual advancement.

  13. Re:Waiting for that first "Nanny state" comment... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    BTW, did you notice this story is literally NYC asking Google Maps to have a leftward bias?

    No, but I did notice the exact opposite of that.

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  14. Re:Waiting for that first "Nanny state" comment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Germany to go left, you take the *Third Right*

  15. What happened to Common Sense? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Hmm. How about teaching kids to do the simple, sane thing and Watch Where The Fuck they are going...??

    What happened to parents teaching their kids basic safety, and the old adage about "Looking both ways before crossing the street"?

    Seriously...do parents not teach kids the basic things about life? Don't talk to strangers, look both ways, cross street at intersections, etc.

    I guess I'm just puzzled why what used to be common sense has suddenly gone straight out the fucking window?

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    1. Re:What happened to Common Sense? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you walk much in big cities and use crosswalks?

      Because in all honesty, I see a tremendous amount of drivers who don't even look for pedestrians and just race through the intersection. I've been crossing on a light and had some asshole turn right on red practically run me over, and I know damned well people actually do get run over.

      And some of these drivers are then yelling at the pedestrian for being in the way, because they're too stupid to realize just who is in whose way.

      Maybe the problem isn't about teaching children common sense, but in realizing that many drivers are practically homicidal in the way they drive a car.

      Because, I'm sorry ... but if I'm crossing a cross-walk on a walk signal, and you're turning right on red through the crosswalk, it's not ME who is at fault.

      You can look all you want, but when drivers don't seem to be aware of (or care about) pedestrians, that's the real damned problem.

      A tremendous amount of people turn into assholes and morons when they get behind the wheel.

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    2. Re:What happened to Common Sense? by beanpoppa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you ever crossed the street in a large city? When you have the walk signal, cars also have a green light in your direction of travel. A car would likely be waiting until opposing traffic clears to make a left turn onto the street that you are crossing. Very often, cars will hit the gas as soon as traffic passes, not paying attention to the pedestrians crossing the street. The pedestrians did nothing wrong. There were no cars coming when they crossed.

    3. Re:What happened to Common Sense? by thsths · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Pedestrians have the right of way, which is true.

      > Far too often I see pedestrians step into the crosswalk in such a way as to make it all but impossible for the left turning car to safely stop.

      I think you fail to understand the concept of right of way. If you are going too fast to safely stop, you are going too fast.

  16. Re:or... by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, that's not the fundamental issue... which is:

    The turning driver has a green light right when pedestrians have the walk light

    When your city can reasonably be ranked as the top pedestrian city in the world, it might behoove you to plan accordingly by not putting your pedestrians directly into oncoming traffic.

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