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NASA's New Horizons Focuses On Pluto's Largest Moon Charon

MarkWhittington writes: New Horizons has already discovered much of what was previously unknown about Pluto, the dwarf planet that is the former ninth planet from the sun. NASA reported that the space probe has also uncovered some of the secrets of Pluto's largest moon, Charon. It has found indications of impact craters on the moon's gray surface as well as a chasm that seems to be bigger than the Grand Canyon on Earth. Charon has a diameter of just 1440 miles. By contrast, Earth has a diameter of 7918 miles.

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  1. Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everest by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really it's impressive before you think about it. The Earth has active plate tectonics and ongoing weathering. It should come as no surprise that planets which don't have more pronounced features.

  2. What is Pluto? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >> Pluto, the dwarf planet that is the former ninth planet from the sun

    Thanks for the explanation - as Slashdot readers, we needed it.

    1. Re:What is Pluto? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Or, Prince style: The dwarf planet formerly known as the ninth planet from the Sun.

    2. Re:What is Pluto? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or, Prince style: The dwarf planet formerly known as the ninth planet from the Sun.

      If there are dwarves on that planet, it makes sense that they'd have a prince.

    3. Re:What is Pluto? by Woeful+Countenance · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was also formerly the eighth planet from the sun, between 1979 and 1999.

    4. Re:What is Pluto? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pretty hilarious that the summary goes to such lengths to describe Pluto for us, but the next article with drop some acronym like DPITMD*, and everyone but a few people who happen to be in a relevant industry will scratch their heads and think "okay, but wtf is DPITMD?"

      * Describing Pluto In Too Much Detail

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    5. Re:What is Pluto? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      But on a planet of dwarves, the short man is king.

    6. Re:What is Pluto? by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      If there are dwarfs, where's Snow White then?

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    7. Re:What is Pluto? by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Or, Prince style: The dwarf planet formerly known as the ninth planet from the Sun.

      If there are dwarves on that planet, it makes sense that they'd have a prince

      A dwarf prince formerly known as the prince of the ninth planet from the Sun.

      Come to think of it, the sun is a yellow dwarf star... *KAPOW*

      We now return you to your formerly uncontroversial life, upon one of nine planets circling a sun, soundtracked by an artist toiling in rebellion against their record label.

      let's go crazy... let's get nuts...

    8. Re:What is Pluto? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to think of it, the sun is a yellow dwarf star...

      But it is at the higher [no pun] end of its taxa.

    9. Re:What is Pluto? by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, the sun is a yellow dwarf star... *KAPOW*

      Yellow dwarf despite being bigger and more massive than something like 90% of all stars in the universe. (Oh and it's white too but astronomers still say it's a yellow dwarf.)

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    10. Re:What is Pluto? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The planet formerly known as the planet formerly eighth from the sun?

    11. Re:What is Pluto? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kuiper belt?

  3. In SI Units by codesmith.ca · · Score: 2, Informative

    Charon has a diameter of just 2317 km. By contrast, Earth has a diameter of 12743 km.

    (FTFY - assuming statute miles, not nautical miles.)

    1. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The conversion is fine, but the premise is wrong. Charon's diameter is just 750 miles, or 1207km. The dimensions given in TFS are for Pluto.

    2. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no physical intuition for those numbers regardless of the units.

    3. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We will definitely need a more standardized comparison. How many school buses is it? Or even better: football fields?

    4. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      At US interstate speeds of 75 MPH, and a road going from one side to the other, you could drive through Charon in roughly 10 hours. Driving through Pluto would take roughly twice as long. According to Google, the drive from Seattle to Dallas is roughly 3 Charon diameters. Driving from Seattle to Houston would be similar to driving all the way around the surface of Charon once.

    5. Re:In SI Units by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

      Pictures tend to work better. Find Pluto and Charon in these:

      http://i.imgur.com/5Vzof1w.png
      http://kokogiak.com/solarsyste...

    6. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having never driven from Seattle to Dallas, it's still stamp collecting.

    7. Re:In SI Units by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Short buses or long buses? Buses with hoods, or the type with the flat front?

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    8. Re:In SI Units by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      I believe short buses, in honor of this conversation.

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    9. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you actually bothered to do something like travel from New York to San Francisco and back you would have a better feel for it? Or maybe you are just one of many people that live and die in the same town they were born. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, just as I don't think there is something wrong with being trans gender. It's just that my worldly experiences differ so vastly from yours that it is difficult for me to imagine why you think your thoughts might be considered normal.

    10. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shame about Venus. She could have been a contender.

    11. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Charon can only dream of an association with Texas...yeeeee haww!

  4. Then what? by rockabilly · · Score: 1

    I wonder what they have planned for the craft once it passes Pluto.

    1. Re:Then what? by xevioso · · Score: 2

      Supposedly it will continue out into the Kupier belt. First that have to get funding to pay for Astronomers to continue the mission, meaning paying the salaries of Astronomers to reprogram and monitor the craft. I don't know if Eris or any of the other larger Kupier belt objects are within easy distance, but it will take a few years for the craft to reach whatever specific object they have planned for it to go to next. It only has a little bit of fuel left for maneuvering, but it has SOME fuel left as I recall so they can probably send it someplace nearby.

    2. Re:Then what? by thermopile · · Score: 3, Informative
      By using up about 35% of its remaining fuel budget, New Horizons will be able to visit a Kuiper Belt Object. Interestingly, that potential object was spotted just a few weeks after New Horizons launched.

      Anticipated arrival date: January 2019. Be patient...

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    3. Re:Then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      that potential object was spotted just a few weeks after New Horizons launched.

      2014-06-27 - 2006-01-19 = 440 weeks.

    4. Re:Then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if Eris or any of the other larger Kupier belt objects are within easy distance, but it will take a few years for the craft to reach whatever specific object they have planned for it to go to next. It only has a little bit of fuel left for maneuvering, but it has SOME fuel left as I recall so they can probably send it someplace nearby.

      Less a matter of distance, more the trajectory. Eris and Pluto could be at their closest approach to each other and it still be impossible to reach the other due to the velocity that the probe is traveling at, unless it had unlimited fuel.

      Which it doesn't, so it won't be turning around or anything.

    5. Re:Then what? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Your Kuiper gets belted.

  5. Re:Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everes by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really it's impressive before you think about it. The Earth has active plate tectonics and ongoing weathering. It should come as no surprise that planets which don't have more pronounced features.

    Also, the Earth has much higher gravity. Surface elevation gradients are much more pronounced on bodies with lower surface gravity, even though they have higher tidal gradients. Mars' largest volcano, Mons Olympus, could not stand on Earth due to the 3x higher gravity here.

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  6. Who would have thought? by mschuyler · · Score: 1

    "has also uncovered some of the secrets of Pluto's largest moon, Charon. It has found indications of impact craters on the moon's gray surface."

    Wow! Who would have thought? That's a big secret for sure!

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    1. Re:Who would have thought? by Rei · · Score: 2

      What's more interesting is how few there are (on both bodies).

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    2. Re:Who would have thought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me it is. I was looking forward to the discovery of an alien intergalactic transport device.

  7. Drop rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The rate at which new pictures are being released is very disappointing. It is basically 1 drop per day at pluto.jhuapl.edu and they are routinely 24 hours old. The Charon images are the least interesting of the bunch. However, this is quibbling. Congratulations to the United States for a spectacular conclusion to the preliminary reconnaissance of the solar system which started in 1962 with Mariner 2 at Venus. Without the US there would be no solar system exploration. Our pale blue dot would be benighted by tyranny and socialism.

    1. Re:Drop rate by Chacharoo · · Score: 2

      The data rate for sending images and other science data is really low. That's because of the extreme distance and because New Horizons has limited power (produced by its RTG). The images, once they get home, are going to be great, but it's going to take a while to get it all back.

    2. Re:Drop rate by xevioso · · Score: 1

      The best hires photos are going to come 19 months from now, I read. It just takes a long time to send a lot of data that far.

    3. Re:Drop rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe, but I can't help but think project scientists get to drool over the pictures before the public ever sees them. Also, I've bee less than impressed with the level of scientific disclosure. We are not all morons.

    4. Re:Drop rate by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The rate at which new pictures are being released is very disappointing.

      That's because of the extreme distance and because New Horizons has limited power

      Comcast customers can relate.

      On a Sirius note, I wonder how Voyager II dealt with similar conditions at Neptune. It did have a tape recorder. I think it had more power and a bigger antenna than NH. But probably in or near the same order of magnitude. Once Voyager left Neptune, it didn't have a new target such that it had plenty of time for data relay.

    5. Re: Drop rate by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 1

      During the fly-by New Horizons will be pointing its cameras and instruments at Pluto and the various moons, which means _not_ pointing the antenna at us. Later the probe will play back the recordings for transmission, but right now it's busy

    6. Re:Drop rate by cshay · · Score: 1

      This document shows the schedule for which camera will be taking what photos, the quality of the photos, and when they will be transmitted to earth:

      http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Missio...

    7. Re:Drop rate by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Some nice subtle snarks there, but yeah. 50-60 years seems like a long time for "the preliminary reconnaissance of the solar system", but hey, yeah. Historically it's not really out of line with how it has happened in the past.

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  8. Re:Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everes by SkyratesPlayer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, some mountains (notably Everest) and the deep sea trenches are there because of plate tectonics, not despite it.

  9. Poor Pluto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That dog must have really let himself go to have things orbiting him now!

    1. Re:Poor Pluto by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      he gets a boost in star status with NDT, https://www.facebook.com/neild...

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  10. With a chasm that large by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

    With a chasm that large, it should be easy to see the frozen Mass Relay. C'mon New Horizons, start melting!

    1. Re:With a chasm that large by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Please don't. Regardless what we do the result will be the same and our lives will end with one of 3 almost identical cut-scenes.

  11. Re: Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Evere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    That planet doesn't have a thick atmosphere and water to wear down features

    The republicans must be conflicted by this. On one hand, their kind loves corporate welfare. On the other, most of them don't believe in other planets.

  12. That's no moon by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

    The center of mass in the Pluto-Charon system lies outside of either body. It's not a moon. They are a double (dwarf) planetary system.

    1. Re:That's no moon by Rei · · Score: 1

      Not according to the IAU and their definitions that one can only presume were conceived by a flock of drunken geese.

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    2. Re:That's no moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are forgetting 4 smaller bodies which are also orbiting a point lying outside of any body. It's a sextuple system.

    3. Re:That's no moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Thats no moon, it's a spaceship". (credits Lucas Films)

      If Sharon is not a moon then Earths moon is not really a moon because it is also too big. Center of masses lie only 1000miles inside earth not near our core.
      Pluto looks more like a planet (geologically) than Mercury.
      Charon is more ice and rocks like a comet.
      Earths (nameless) moon lacks the ice because it boiled off a long time ago.
      Besides, Pluto has a heart!

    4. Re:That's no moon by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      They're just another body of knuckleheads with nothing better to do all day than debate if Pluto is a planet. I say it is, I'm bigger than they are and I take their lunch money. Pluto wins.

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    5. Re:That's no moon by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Earths moon has a name - Moon. The question is why did we start refering to the satellites of other planets as 'moons'.

    6. Re:That's no moon by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      A double dwarf? That's twice the insult. Rub it in, why dontcha.

    7. Re:That's no moon by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Some of those bodies may be rotating around Pluto's barymetric point (gravitational center of mass). Some of them may be moons of Pluto, but we do know Charon is not one of them.

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    8. Re:That's no moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're just another body of knuckleheads with nothing better to do all day than debate if Pluto is a planet. I say it is, I'm bigger than they are and I take their lunch money. Pluto wins.

      I say that if you are going to suggest a definition for "planet" and not allow sub-types of planet, then you must be able to actually LIST the objects in our solar system that will be planets under your definition of planet.

      Note this goes for the IAU as well, which fails just as bad as you at it, just differently.

      The IAU can't list the planets-as-their-definition within our solar system because they have no rigid definition.

      You can't list the planets-as-your-definition within our solar system because there are hundreds of thousands of them.

      At least the initial sub-type of dwarf planet, before the IAU got ahold of it that is, made a lot more sense, just as Earth was the sub-type rocky planet, and Jupiter is the sub-type Gas Giant.

      It's just the fact all of those sub-types of planets were also planets.
      Once the IAU didn't want to promote Ceries while demoting Pluto and added in all sorts of bullshit that makes no sense, like clearing out the orbital path of whatever the fuck did the actual useful definition that made sense get burred under a ton of Internet butthurt over Pluto.

      So now it is pretty much the IAU's fault we have hundreds of thousands of planets which they can't even name or list.

    9. Re: That's no moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "space station"

    10. Re:That's no moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are bigger than Pluto and Charon and take their lunch money?
      That's just mean man

    11. Re:That's no moon by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      That's what I want to know!

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    12. Re:That's no moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because an orbital period and a women's period and the period at the end of this sentence, while evolving from common root words evolved to represent quite different concepts to people as their brains evolved.
      Another contradictory theory is that too many people can't spell satellite.

    13. Re:That's no moon by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      If the center that is orbited is inside the mass of the 'mother' planet then it's a moon/satellite.

    14. Re:That's no moon by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      The 'dwarf' was in parenthesis because I don't agree with the IAU's distinction ;)

    15. Re:That's no moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of argument is that? You can't contradict someone by not knowing something. All of Styx, Nix, Kerberos, and Hydra orbit the barycenter.

    16. Re:That's no moon by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      All of Styx, Nix, Kerberos, and Hydra orbit the barycenter.

      And how do YOU know that?

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    17. Re:That's no moon by cusco · · Score: 1

      Celestial mechanics? Newton's laws of motion and universal gravitation? Those would be good places to start.

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  13. Re:Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the other hand, the deeper trenches and higher mountains would also be obliterated due to the tectonics, since there is a lot of motion going on, making and unmaking.

  14. Re: Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Evere by Rei · · Score: 1

    While it doesn't have water near the surface (possibly a fairly deep subsurface ocean), there are liquids that could exist near the surface. The pressure fluctuates wildly, but at today's pressure, it would take about 13 meters of slightly-porous nitrogen ice (more of methane ice) for nitrogen to be able to reach its triple point. That's the equivalent of the weight of less than 1 meter of ice on Earth, so not something abnormally strong or compacted. Additionally, there's all sorts of things that can be liquids at different temperatures and pressures... there could be some rather complicated fluid interactions as depth increase, and they'd change over time.

    That's not saying that there are liquids right now - and barring some sort of eutectic effect, I wouldn't expect to see any on the surface due to the low pressure. But there could be something akin to the earth equivalents of sea ice or rivers with frozen surfaces, and not all that deep.

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  15. Charon is not a "Moon" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is the other half of a double planetary system. Get your facts straight.

  16. Correction by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    PLUTO has a diameter of 1440 miles.
    Charon has a diameter of 790.

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  17. Re:Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everes by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

    Mars' largest volcano, Mons Olympus, could not stand on Earth

    Why, would it tip over?

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  18. Re:Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would slump on the sides even more than Olympus Mons on Mars already has. Essentially its flanks would collapse. It's kind of the rock equivalent of piling sand higher and higher until the slope of the side becomes unstable.

  19. Charon is 1,209 km or 751 miles in diameter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Charon is 1,209 km or 751 miles in diameter and Pluto is 2,370 km or 1,472 miles in diameter (almost twice as large).

  20. Re:Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, someone gives us a relative measurement and you start moaning about tectonics and weathering?

    Give me a fucking break.

    The point of the relative measurement was so that we could have some idea of how big it actually is. Seriously, stop being such a juvenile pedant.

  21. What are you talking about? by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

    Sirius had nothing whatsoever to do with the Voyager missions - it was all XM Radio! That's why Sirius failed. They were too busy faking the moon landing while XM was exploring the Galaxy! Turn in your geek card! LUSER!

  22. I vote for Charon to be an Elven planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mercury has to be an Orc planet of course.